You need to remember that the TB controller is a significant part of the cost. These are new controllers with lightning speed so they will be costing more than TB3 and TB4 enclosures. It wouldn't surprise me if Intel, the original/current(?) owner of Thunderbolt, is charging much more for the TB5 interface hardware. We're talking about a three-fold speed increase between TB4 and TB5. That hardware is not free.
Or for an extra $70, get the OWC 1M2 Enclosure for $120 + 8TB WD Black NVMe for $550 ($670 total). It's USB4 that gets 3k read/wright. THAT is the sweet spot right now!!!
I’ve used a few Sabrent drives in the past and they’ve all been solid. But guys, your pricing is the same as OWC which for all intents and purposes is the gold standard for Apple peripherals. You really should consider beating their prices to be competitive.
OK... I just read some fine print on the OWC site; "In the unlikely event the integrated cable must be replaced, it is a user serviceable item and will be available beginning 2025.". So that's encouraging.
External drives are rarely used in the same way as internal drives, where these initial 'testing the cache' speeds are important. It would be much more useful to show a very large (500GB+) file copy to and from the drive to show it's performance over a long copy job. Show what happens when the cache fills up and when the drive gets hot. Those are the tests that matter.
So basically you guys are using the super expensive Apple SSDs prices to justify yours expensive prices, no thank you, we just want the enclosures and we will buy the SSDs ourselves, and if you don't sell them, some other brand will, only a matter of time.
@@rodneyturnerphoto Prices of TB4 never really came down as well. At this point TB4 and TB5 ports are basically useless when it comes to anything besides the display port. Such great speeds but the prices of the drives or even thunderbolt hubs are simply way to $$$. Much better for most people to just get a USB 3.2 (10gpbs) external SSD. You can easily get a 2TB for $120-$150.
that one is also 4Tb, 4Tb SSDs are not cheap whatsoever, the drive includes the cable (that supports TB5 (it's expensive)) has the licensing which is also costly (thanks intel), probably includes a chip so you can also use it on USB mode instead of TB. I'd call it affordable, if you want something cheaper then just buy an m.2 enclosure and the SSD you want c:
If you want to pay less and don't need TB 5 speed just get a slower external SSD like the Samsung T9. It can't go beyond 2000 MB/s but costs half the price.
@@axelvetter there are much faster ext SSD options than 2000 MB/s for less than this TB5 option. e.g. I saw a video showing a Lexor 2280 in a Ugreen SSD case for example pushing into the mid/high 3000 MB/s range for R/W. OWC sell a preinstalled 2 GB in external case (SSD can be removed) that gets me ~2000 MB/s over TB4, but the Lexor
Keep in mind that programs writing files to the default drive can quickly fill up internal storage if it has limited capacity. Not every program gives an option to choose other locations where they dump their data. And even if they have it's not convenient to always keep external drive plugged-in.
An enclosure will not work with a lot of drives. The drive needs to be carefully selected to not exceed the power limits due to TB5 only delivering 15 watts. You’ll have to wait for a Chinese supplier who doesn’t care to sell it to you.
How do you deal with cooling at high frequency sustained writes with your external enclosures? I found using your nvme drives with external thunderbolt 3 enclosures the drives would get very toasty and if working from them clunk out because of access heat. Specifically a pair of Sabrent 4tb rocket q drives I used had this issue. Placing the external drive against a cold surface or some extra airflow resolved the issue. But with the increased heat had diminished the life span significantly compared to other manufacturer drives i used in a similar fashion. With the increased speed and heat gen5 drives produce what changed with your enclosures to combat this. TB5 giving you even more throughput put how are you cooling the drives to make sure they can maintain proper speeds at sustained rates + heat dissipatation? For burst and minimal write its less of an issue but the video is suggesting continued access through a work day over the internal drive. Running software or using the drive to store things like program plugins/resourses(ie because it won’t fit on the smaller internal drive) that need continual access and can take advantage of io opperations nvme provide will cause the issue. Thunderbolt’s quality is great vs usb if trying to run as an internal drive but having a quality enclosure is important if not just using as an ssd or old hardrive backup/casual access/large single file size read source.
I wish you guys would make something the same size & colour as a Mac Mini & Mac Studio, so it can sit under/on-top-of it. It would be much neater than a black box hanging off of the back
For those doing video, very nice. For those using Photoshop, inDesign, Illustrator I don't think a difference between 2000 or 5000 wil be noticeable to the point that it'll justify spending so much on a Thunderbolt 5 drive today. It's like buying a Formula 1 to go to the market two blocks away from you home.
So basically this test confirms that if go for a M4 system get a Thunderbolt 4 drive, if you go for M4 Pro system, Thunderbolt 5 drive is worth it if doing pro work. Still expensive though for regular people.
@@orange11squares base M4 is currently the best compute value money can by for a consumer grade PC in terms of raw performance per $ across a range of benchmarks/applications.
They are good have used these before, at the mo im on a mac studio thunderbolt 3 with a OWC and samsung 990 4TB Ssd getting read and write speeds of 3220 / 3100, Which is great for 4K final cut pro projects
A better set of tests would be to run some of the application benchmarks on the internal storage vs external storage. Use the same tests Max Tech uses to see how fast the actual Mac running speed is. The reason to do this is to see whether external storage can compete with internal storage, especially on the TB5 models.
Couple questions: 1. I believe the M4 Macs use a PCIe4 bus. I pretty sure they aren't using a PCIe5 bus in any products. Is the PCIe bus slowing down your SSDs? Can they run faster? 2. I haven't looked but are you, or will you, be offering a RAID configuration using TB5? If so, will the TB5 connection be capable of running at almost peak speed? 3. Have you tested your TB5 SSD on any non-Apple hardware, especially custom PCs that are overclocked to the point where data could easily be lost? OWC finally stopped using custom PCs in their speed tests to advertise faster speeds. Now they tell you in regular size print which platforms they're testing with.
Sooo, I'm a big fan of Sabrent, really good stuff. But...~$360 I got a 4TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0 in a 40Gbps TB4 enclosure, and reliably hit just under 5000Mbps r/w. I'm not sure it's worth 2x the cost for the performance being advertised here.
I run a Mac mini M2 Pro with 1TB internal storage and an external 2TB Samsung 980 Pro in an Acasis enclosure. Running the same Blackmagic test, I get for the internal storage 6520 Write and 5060 Read. For the external it's 2800/2750. That's good enough for me.
should do some photoshop and final cut pro testing using the thunderbolt 5 drive as your source drive for all the content and the proxy store for FCP11
The performance looks great, but some have mentioned thermal problems and related failures with their older Sabrent drives. A convincing demo would be SUSTAINING the speeds you show for 15-20 minutes -- a common situation for video editors. Really, what good is an external drive if it heats up and throttles under heavy use?
Fantastic results - Def better strategy than forking out crazy money on more-than-required Apple internal storage (esp on desktops like the mini) now that TB4&5 are plenty fast enough. Looking forward to enclosures for even more flexibility.
What are the implications on battery drain using the external drives on the laptops, compared to internal drive? E.g. MBP M4Max 4 TB internal Storage versus the external 4 TB drive. the external drive does consume its power additional from the laptop. The prices o.k. not cheap but you have to take into account its a TB% and not a TB4 enclosure (what you get at 100 bucks) an 4 TB drive will cost around 250 bucks so in total 350 bucks, you have to decide if its worth spending extra 250 bucks for the brand and TB5. Is it planned to bring an empty box for fitting a drive on own choice?
I'd get the base model Mac Mini and use one of these with the whole system installed on it (not just Home directories) - those 256G models are pretty slow 512G so much better. Might wait for the 2TB or 1TB model or get an enclosure and a very fast SSD. I currently have an iMac set up this way works really well - preserves the internal drive as a bonus (I just don't use it at all)
Very impressive. I have a question. Thunderbolt 4 has a max speed of 40 Gb per second, Thunderbolt 5 has a max of 80 Gb per second. Instead of 40 or 80 I'm seeing roughly 5 in your tests. So why is this not more amazing? Is the RAM speed of the computer a factor?
Microcenter starts 4TB SSD and NVMe at around $240, a USB C enclosure from Microcenter maybe $60, that is what I would get for myself, they sell a lot of Sabrent kit as well. If I got a M4 mini mac, I'd be looking at a 1" high mini mac case with 1 or 2 mixed NVMe or Sata slots, FWIW, I have had 2 NVMe drive cases die on me and several NVMe drives, I think the Inland brand is not to be trusted period, but my J Creates hub with NVMe hidden bay also died.
The database like oracle that utilizes random access via index, the random performance is better with apple supplied internal ssd compared to sabrent external ssd. It is quite evident when using m4 pro and thunderbolt 5.
Now do that test moving 20-30gb files a few runs.. As these thing throttle down from getting hot.. I would add Apple OS uses the Unified Memory for most applications to move files. Why you should get as much as you can afford. It's why the base model Mac Mini was slower. Where as the 512gb version is twice as fast.
I have M1 gear so just Thunderbolt 4. My external drives typically get 400-800 MBps including the NVMe Orinco enclosure hanging off my Studio via USB-C. I would not mind getting something faster, even 2 GBps would be great. This solution is really expensive given that Crucial P3+ 4 TB is around $235. I guess I'll see if Sabrent has a TB4 solution or a better USB-C.
I'll be honest, for the price of that macbook pro, you'd think the internal storage would be a lot faster. Same with "Thunderbolt 5" being no where near Thunderbolt 5 speeds. That's showing One fifth the speeds of TB5.
No its very correct u cannot get beyond 7000 disk speed u r talking about bandwidth which is very different on single lane its 120gb/s on dual lane its 80gb/s when u transfer its 5000-8000 MB/s
It’s a limitation of TB5 chipsets they are currently using. 5-6.2GB/s is still very impressive. It’s only going to make a real difference if the users are transferring 200-300GB often. Even then I’m sure they will hit the dram limit of the nvme ssd anyway. They would also need at least 1Tb on the host machine for the maximum speed anyway.
Hey there, i'm professional film editor since 20 Years. Clients like 20th Century Fox an more... I'm looking for a great travel drive to use as an external editing drive to connect later with my blackmagic cloud drive. Speed is all for me when i edit on set while shooting so is there a way to test one of ur drives?
I have a SanDisk 4TB Thunderbolt drive attached to my M1 MacBook Pro and the same test (2/ 2GiB) deliver 3,150 and 2,329. So the Thunderbolt 5 is faster, but not by much. My internal SSD, for instance, is 7,005 and 4,933.
Strangely there’s only one device (available in two form factors) on the market currently that has a pcie chip that will dynamically provide 1 to 4x lanes to any one of the four drives. Everything else is a compromise in reality.
The problem with ordering a small internal drive and a large external drive is only the internal is used for swap memory. Since swap is using up your read/write cycle counts, it is going to wear out your small internal drive much faster than if you had a larger drive. I am not knocking the impressive performance of the external drive shown here. But you still need the bigger internal drive if you want to keep the machine for a long time.
I’ve never seen an SSD die once. Seen tons of HDDs die. Owned SSD drives since they dropped. Most people will never experience an SSD die before upgrading. Computer prices are dirt cheap, and the drives are swappable. Real world perspectives but no shade on the facts. Have a good day
80 bucks for a TB4 40gbps enclosure and a 4tb pcie3 nvme for 200 bucks give you almost the same speeds and for reference: anything short of 4k files can be used with 10gbps externally when doing video editing
some people need spoon feeding lol, this is what I have used to last 2 years...be good for another 2.....TB4 40gbps isnt exactly slow unless you need the worlds fastest speeds...or love wasting money
@@PixelVogue People buying Thunderbolt 5 are most likely using large 4K files and maybe even 8K files. The average person doesn’t even know what Thunderbolt is in general.
Of course, many of us realize that choosing the 2GB setting on the Black Magic Speed Test will typically show faster speeds than the 5GB setting, for example. Why not show us how it does set to 5GB? Not so impressive, I'm guessing.
@@PixelVogue Meant to say slower speed. Like I said if you don't mind slower speed, it is not a problem. However, there are those who want faster drive like professional, so I doubt they mind spending to utilize their Thunderbolt 5 Drive.
Notice the 4k random QD1 is almost the same regardless of the drive! No discussion of the lack of improvement on this metric even though the sequential performance doubles. Great sales pitch
These don't need to be 600. Yes, compared to the Apple storage, it's a saving. However, many would just choose the enclosure itself so they can decide how much they want to spend on an NVME or use an existing one. I can get a 4tb never for 270 - 300 Euro. I would never pay 300 for the enclosure itself.I assume many others would be in the same boat.
thunderbolt licensing, research and development, shipping and distribution, etc. along with the product needs a good enough profit margin on top of everything to even keep business afloat and pay employees. businesses have to make a money or else they don't exist dawg. welcome to life
Seems like the best use case is with the base M4 Mac Mini. Sub 2000 write speed for interior storage is pure trash in 2024 given what the market has with Gen 4 SSD storage. - 2230 WD Black SN770M 1 TB costs $95 and offers 5,200 read speed and 4,800 write speed.
You guys are insane! $600 😅. I’ll justget an affordable enclosure later on on alliexpress, i’m so sick of this greed from companies all the tome with new products.
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Still high price, I will wait until the price go down.
same here...
4TB is pretty large in one package - you might do better with an enclosure and buy your own SSD
You need to remember that the TB controller is a significant part of the cost. These are new controllers with lightning speed so they will be costing more than TB3 and TB4 enclosures. It wouldn't surprise me if Intel, the original/current(?) owner of Thunderbolt, is charging much more for the TB5 interface hardware. We're talking about a three-fold speed increase between TB4 and TB5. That hardware is not free.
Samsung 990PRO 4 Tb now $269!!!
Or for an extra $70, get the OWC 1M2 Enclosure for $120 + 8TB WD Black NVMe for $550 ($670 total). It's USB4 that gets 3k read/wright. THAT is the sweet spot right now!!!
extra speed go BRRR
Fuq owc! they rip off as
I’ve used a few Sabrent drives in the past and they’ve all been solid. But guys, your pricing is the same as OWC which for all intents and purposes is the gold standard for Apple peripherals. You really should consider beating their prices to be competitive.
I have 2 sabrent drives that toally suck and went to OWC exclusively nuff said
@@gary2417that is what I thought as well. Conveniently priced at the same level.
@@gary2417 the OWC drive looks good… except for the built in cable. When that goes bad….
Thunderbolt licensing is expensive. Even most Thunderbolt 4 accessories are still expensive.
OK... I just read some fine print on the OWC site; "In the unlikely event the integrated cable must be replaced, it is a user serviceable item and will be available beginning 2025.". So that's encouraging.
External drives are rarely used in the same way as internal drives, where these initial 'testing the cache' speeds are important. It would be much more useful to show a very large (500GB+) file copy to and from the drive to show it's performance over a long copy job. Show what happens when the cache fills up and when the drive gets hot. Those are the tests that matter.
I could be wrong, but only the M4 Pros and up come with TB5 ports.
That is correct!
He detailed that difference in the video.
So basically you guys are using the super expensive Apple SSDs prices to justify yours expensive prices, no thank you, we just want the enclosures and we will buy the SSDs ourselves, and if you don't sell them, some other brand will, only a matter of time.
Thunderbolt licensing is costly. He mentioned in another video there are plans for an enclosure as well.
Good luck making use of the ThunderBolt 5 bandwidth with a cheaper drive. These are very competitively priced drives for the performance.
@@rodneyturnerphoto Prices of TB4 never really came down as well. At this point TB4 and TB5 ports are basically useless when it comes to anything besides the display port. Such great speeds but the prices of the drives or even thunderbolt hubs are simply way to $$$. Much better for most people to just get a USB 3.2 (10gpbs) external SSD. You can easily get a 2TB for $120-$150.
that one is also 4Tb, 4Tb SSDs are not cheap whatsoever, the drive includes the cable (that supports TB5 (it's expensive)) has the licensing which is also costly (thanks intel), probably includes a chip so you can also use it on USB mode instead of TB. I'd call it affordable, if you want something cheaper then just buy an m.2 enclosure and the SSD you want c:
@@chan13153 what brand / models do you suggest?
Was hoping they just sell the enclosure.
Get the OWC enclosure for $119. Great heat dissipation.
@ I’m disappointed prices for tb4 isn’t cheaper. They reaming us when tb5 is right around the corner.
@@techsteveo7913 The whole point is that the market wants a TB5 NVME enclosure not a several year old OWC TB4 model.
please make a TB5 mac mini dock so it can fit right under the mac mini, with a special cable so it doesn't look wonky!
Yes please! But… wouldn’t that cause data throttling if you’re using more than one device?
Under? where fans are located?
Great to see some TB5 drives becoming available, but the price is a bit much for an enclosure with a 4x4 nvme in it.
I have a bunch of Sabrent SSD including the 8TB one, and they are the best design I’ve ever used! Cheers from Japan!
Will there be a 8TB version?
There are devices that will allow 8-16 NVMe drives, but I’m not sure if there’s a TB5 interface yet.
Fast, portable, inexpensive external SSD from Sabrent. Awesome, thank you!!
Thanks for checking it out!
Very very good video bro! What i was looking!!!!❤
Glad to hear that!
Very expensive to consider as cheap alternative.
More than the mac mini😂
If you want to pay less and don't need TB 5 speed just get a slower external SSD like the Samsung T9. It can't go beyond 2000 MB/s but costs half the price.
@@axelvetter there are much faster ext SSD options than 2000 MB/s for less than this TB5 option. e.g. I saw a video showing a Lexor 2280 in a Ugreen SSD case for example pushing into the mid/high 3000 MB/s range for R/W. OWC sell a preinstalled 2 GB in external case (SSD can be removed) that gets me ~2000 MB/s over TB4, but the Lexor
THAT'S FAST!
Find it worth its price if you're definitely looking for that kind of performance.
Keep in mind that programs writing files to the default drive can quickly fill up internal storage if it has limited capacity. Not every program gives an option to choose other locations where they dump their data. And even if they have it's not convenient to always keep external drive plugged-in.
Can we get a rough ETA on the enclosure version?
Also are there any plans to make a 4 bay NVMe enclosure for high capacity DAS RAID at TB5 speeds?
Agreed; I've got SSDs, I just need an enclosure.
4 bay TB5... 😍
@@vonEitzen enclosure will be expensive.
An enclosure will not work with a lot of drives. The drive needs to be carefully selected to not exceed the power limits due to TB5 only delivering 15 watts. You’ll have to wait for a Chinese supplier who doesn’t care to sell it to you.
How do you deal with cooling at high frequency sustained writes with your external enclosures?
I found using your nvme drives with external thunderbolt 3 enclosures the drives would get very toasty and if working from them clunk out because of access heat.
Specifically a pair of Sabrent 4tb rocket q drives I used had this issue.
Placing the external drive against a cold surface or some extra airflow resolved the issue.
But with the increased heat had diminished the life span significantly compared to other manufacturer drives i used in a similar fashion.
With the increased speed and heat gen5 drives produce what changed with your enclosures to combat this.
TB5 giving you even more throughput put how are you cooling the drives to make sure they can maintain proper speeds at sustained rates + heat dissipatation?
For burst and minimal write its less of an issue but the video is suggesting continued access through a work day over the internal drive.
Running software or using the drive to store things like program plugins/resourses(ie because it won’t fit on the smaller internal drive) that need continual access and can take advantage of io opperations nvme provide will cause the issue.
Thunderbolt’s quality is great vs usb if trying to run as an internal drive but having a quality enclosure is important if not just using as an ssd or old hardrive backup/casual access/large single file size read source.
I wish you guys would make something the same size & colour as a Mac Mini & Mac Studio, so it can sit under/on-top-of it. It would be much neater than a black box hanging off of the back
For those doing video, very nice. For those using Photoshop, inDesign, Illustrator I don't think a difference between 2000 or 5000 wil be noticeable to the point that it'll justify spending so much on a Thunderbolt 5 drive today. It's like buying a Formula 1 to go to the market two blocks away from you home.
So basically this test confirms that if go for a M4 system get a Thunderbolt 4 drive, if you go for M4 Pro system, Thunderbolt 5 drive is worth it if doing pro work. Still expensive though for regular people.
There aren’t any Thunderbolt 4 drives but there are many with USB4! Like the owc express 1m2
i don't think mac M4 is for regular people, so no problem here.... only for rich guys... Regular people = PC (windows, linux)
@@orange11squares base M4 is currently the best compute value money can by for a consumer grade PC in terms of raw performance per $ across a range of benchmarks/applications.
They are good have used these before, at the mo im on a mac studio thunderbolt 3 with a OWC and samsung 990 4TB Ssd getting read and write speeds of 3220 / 3100, Which is great for 4K final cut pro projects
Im keeping my Nano, great little drive going strong 2 years later and I use it daily.
Interesting. But more interesting would be an external TB5 RAID with SSD or M.2 drives.
Thanks for the product and the standards it meets. Thanks for the video. It was very informative and helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
You had me sold at "sabrent" lol
I only need the enclosure, is this also sold separately ?
Any chance you're going to release a drive-less enclosure?
A better set of tests would be to run some of the application benchmarks on the internal storage vs external storage. Use the same tests Max Tech uses to see how fast the actual Mac running speed is. The reason to do this is to see whether external storage can compete with internal storage, especially on the TB5 models.
Couple questions:
1. I believe the M4 Macs use a PCIe4 bus. I pretty sure they aren't using a PCIe5 bus in any products. Is the PCIe bus slowing down your SSDs? Can they run faster?
2. I haven't looked but are you, or will you, be offering a RAID configuration using TB5? If so, will the TB5 connection be capable of running at almost peak speed?
3. Have you tested your TB5 SSD on any non-Apple hardware, especially custom PCs that are overclocked to the point where data could easily be lost? OWC finally stopped using custom PCs in their speed tests to advertise faster speeds. Now they tell you in regular size print which platforms they're testing with.
Sooo, I'm a big fan of Sabrent, really good stuff. But...~$360 I got a 4TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0 in a 40Gbps TB4 enclosure, and reliably hit just under 5000Mbps r/w. I'm not sure it's worth 2x the cost for the performance being advertised here.
curious what enclosure you landed on to get that is impressive
@@trashtbyghostsi got the UGREEN CM642 with the 990 pro drive on a M4 Max. Works like a charm!
What enclosure buddy
@@trashtbyghostspretty sure he’s just making things up
is it also the best way for final cut project or external ssd box with ssd inside are better??
Acasis TB5 enclosure with Samsung 990 Pro - 6500mb/s read/write - $450
any promo holiday discount codes on the thunderbolt 5 external drive?
You need to make one that sits on top of or sits underneith of the Mac mini so it looks like on unit.
What about an M4 to M4 speed test over TB5?🙂
HI. do you consider to sell only enclosure for tb5?
Based on their comment on Reddit, yes.
@@jinraigami3349 Great :) ill buy it first day :)
i need more info about the SSD type .. is it TLC or qlc ?
The size is big and not portable, and the price is also big.
Yeah I’m more interested in the PicoLabs Picodrive 40Gbps TB4 drive, which is tiny in comparison.
Do you habe a thunderbolt 4 ssd? External??
I hope there will be an 8Tb version!
I run a Mac mini M2 Pro with 1TB internal storage and an external 2TB Samsung 980 Pro in an Acasis enclosure. Running the same Blackmagic test, I get for the internal storage 6520 Write and 5060 Read. For the external it's 2800/2750. That's good enough for me.
should do some photoshop and final cut pro testing using the thunderbolt 5 drive as your source drive for all the content and the proxy store for FCP11
Ok, but what about the latency?
Impressive!
will a 2TB version come out? $600 for 4TB is too high of a price.
Yes we will have a 2TB coming out, only the 4TB is available for pre-order at the moment
The performance looks great, but some have mentioned thermal problems and related failures with their older Sabrent drives. A convincing demo would be SUSTAINING the speeds you show for 15-20 minutes -- a common situation for video editors. Really, what good is an external drive if it heats up and throttles under heavy use?
Fantastic results - Def better strategy than forking out crazy money on more-than-required Apple internal storage (esp on desktops like the mini) now that TB4&5 are plenty fast enough. Looking forward to enclosures for even more flexibility.
Totally agree!
What are the implications on battery drain using the external drives on the laptops, compared to internal drive? E.g. MBP M4Max 4 TB internal Storage versus the external 4 TB drive. the external drive does consume its power additional from the laptop.
The prices o.k. not cheap but you have to take into account its a TB% and not a TB4 enclosure (what you get at 100 bucks) an 4 TB drive will cost around 250 bucks so in total 350 bucks, you have to decide if its worth spending extra 250 bucks for the brand and TB5.
Is it planned to bring an empty box for fitting a drive on own choice?
Nice video. But does the case really need to cost the same as drive? Most gen4 4tb drives are $300. So another $300 for the TB5 enclosure?
I want a thunderbolt 5 kvm with 3 x 4k displays with support for egpu.
what sort of portable display are you guys using?
Arzopa
It's more expensive, but if you are to have it for 3-5 years, probably it better to get internal storage.
I would like to have a Thunderbolt 5 M.2 NVMe Enclosure. You currently make a Thunderbolt 3 version.
*Out of Context* How's the Arzopa portable minotr holding up? Thinking of buying one too
A SSD that costs more than a whole computer, whoa! I hope they pay you well for affiniate ! :-)
(BTW, my Samsung 2TB was something above 120€...)
When you pay for Thunderbolt you pay for the speeds.
why not ship to CANADA?
Can you imagine the cost in Canadian dollars with the current exchange rates?? 😱
Is the price of this hard disk really equal to the price of the Mac Mini M4?!
You are a very charming guy. 🙂 Will this drive and smaller models be available in Germany some time in the future?
I'd get the base model Mac Mini and use one of these with the whole system installed on it (not just Home directories) - those 256G models are pretty slow 512G so much better. Might wait for the 2TB or 1TB model or get an enclosure and a very fast SSD.
I currently have an iMac set up this way works really well - preserves the internal drive as a bonus (I just don't use it at all)
Very impressive. I have a question. Thunderbolt 4 has a max speed of 40 Gb per second, Thunderbolt 5 has a max of 80 Gb per second. Instead of 40 or 80 I'm seeing roughly 5 in your tests. So why is this not more amazing? Is the RAM speed of the computer a factor?
40Gb per sec is about 4GB per sec , gygabites, vs gigabytes..... divide by about 10.
Microcenter starts 4TB SSD and NVMe at around $240, a USB C enclosure from Microcenter maybe $60, that is what I would get for myself, they sell a lot of Sabrent kit as well.
If I got a M4 mini mac, I'd be looking at a 1" high mini mac case with 1 or 2 mixed NVMe or Sata slots,
FWIW, I have had 2 NVMe drive cases die on me and several NVMe drives, I think the Inland brand is not to be trusted period, but my J Creates hub with NVMe hidden bay also died.
Is it possible to run macOS from a bootable external tb5 drive?
cool I have sabrient drives might look into the dock sometime
Would you test two external drives connected to two separate ports, set up as RAID 0, the read/write will increase substantially..
yeaiyee yiyeyiyeee dunder mufflin is a part of sabrent
NEED.
The database like oracle that utilizes random access via index, the random performance is better with apple supplied internal ssd compared to sabrent external ssd. It is quite evident when using m4 pro and thunderbolt 5.
Now do that test moving 20-30gb files a few runs.. As these thing throttle down from getting hot..
I would add Apple OS uses the Unified Memory for most applications to move files. Why you should get as much as you can afford. It's why the base model Mac Mini was slower. Where as the 512gb version is twice as fast.
Does your KVM allows usb-c to HDMI or Displayport? My monitor doesn't have usb-c port.
Wow brilliant - bravo Sabrent
Too expensive! Would love to have a thunderbolt 5 enclosure!
I have M1 gear so just Thunderbolt 4. My external drives typically get 400-800 MBps including the NVMe Orinco enclosure hanging off my Studio via USB-C. I would not mind getting something faster, even 2 GBps would be great. This solution is really expensive given that Crucial P3+ 4 TB is around $235. I guess I'll see if Sabrent has a TB4 solution or a better USB-C.
I'll be honest, for the price of that macbook pro, you'd think the internal storage would be a lot faster. Same with "Thunderbolt 5" being no where near Thunderbolt 5 speeds. That's showing One fifth the speeds of TB5.
maybe the limit is given by the SSD..
No its very correct u cannot get beyond 7000 disk speed u r talking about bandwidth which is very different on single lane its 120gb/s on dual lane its 80gb/s when u transfer its 5000-8000 MB/s
It’s a limitation of TB5 chipsets they are currently using. 5-6.2GB/s is still very impressive.
It’s only going to make a real difference if the users are transferring 200-300GB often. Even then I’m sure they will hit the dram limit of the nvme ssd anyway. They would also need at least 1Tb on the host machine for the maximum speed anyway.
Hey there, i'm professional film editor since 20 Years. Clients like 20th Century Fox an more... I'm looking for a great travel drive to use as an external editing drive to connect later with my blackmagic cloud drive. Speed is all for me when i edit on set while shooting so is there a way to test one of ur drives?
I have a SanDisk 4TB Thunderbolt drive attached to my M1 MacBook Pro and the same test (2/ 2GiB) deliver 3,150 and 2,329. So the Thunderbolt 5 is faster, but not by much. My internal SSD, for instance, is 7,005 and 4,933.
Do a quad drive, or at least the two you already had. Not for speed but for capacity.
Strangely there’s only one device (available in two form factors) on the market currently that has a pcie chip that will dynamically provide 1 to 4x lanes to any one of the four drives. Everything else is a compromise in reality.
@@stevenPounder-p4bwhich one is that? Thanks
The problem with ordering a small internal drive and a large external drive is only the internal is used for swap memory. Since swap is using up your read/write cycle counts, it is going to wear out your small internal drive much faster than if you had a larger drive. I am not knocking the impressive performance of the external drive shown here. But you still need the bigger internal drive if you want to keep the machine for a long time.
just use the money you save on internal storage and put it towards more RAM. Your only swapping if you dont have enough ram.
I’ve never seen an SSD die once. Seen tons of HDDs die. Owned SSD drives since they dropped. Most people will never experience an SSD die before upgrading. Computer prices are dirt cheap, and the drives are swappable. Real world perspectives but no shade on the facts. Have a good day
Very impressive!
Thank you!
600 bucks! wow
I don't trust benchmark tools. Any vids of real world testing?
so basically NEVER use external drive, just save money and go all in for max level
What currency is "whopping"?
My Sabrent suffered from overheating and died.
Only 4tb? Just make a bigger bulkier thing for videographers. 16tb will do.
80 bucks for a TB4 40gbps enclosure and a 4tb pcie3 nvme for 200 bucks give you almost the same speeds and for reference: anything short of 4k files can be used with 10gbps externally when doing video editing
some people need spoon feeding lol, this is what I have used to last 2 years...be good for another 2.....TB4 40gbps isnt exactly slow unless you need the worlds fastest speeds...or love wasting money
@@PixelVogue People buying Thunderbolt 5 are most likely using large 4K files and maybe even 8K files. The average person doesn’t even know what Thunderbolt is in general.
Please Sell an empty TB5 enclosure I already have my own SSDs!
there is loads on ebay acsis have one, i have to with 4tb each in them
I hear a British accent, so when is this coming out in the UK? 😀
Of course, many of us realize that choosing the 2GB setting on the Black Magic Speed Test will typically show faster speeds than the 5GB setting, for example. Why not show us how it does set to 5GB? Not so impressive, I'm guessing.
Sabrent needs better Logos! I am happy to help!
Upgrade internal SSD from 1tb to 4tb, meaning adding 3tb, you need to pay 1k, so yeah, it is a cheaper option.
You can get a thunderbolt 4 enclosure and 4TB nvme for around 350 bucks.... ill keep the 650 left over in MY pocket thanks
@@PixelVogue If you don't mind the lower speed, sure. My ZikeDrive + Samsung 990Pro cost me 400$+ and the speed is around 3,300mbps.
@@jinraigami3349 not exactly slow are they!
@@PixelVogue Meant to say slower speed. Like I said if you don't mind slower speed, it is not a problem. However, there are those who want faster drive like professional, so I doubt they mind spending to utilize their Thunderbolt 5 Drive.
For a price like that, why not get a NAS? it's not worth it for me
Comparing Apples to Oranges
Notice the 4k random QD1 is almost the same regardless of the drive! No discussion of the lack of improvement on this metric even though the sequential performance doubles. Great sales pitch
600 dollars?
These don't need to be 600. Yes, compared to the Apple storage, it's a saving. However, many would just choose the enclosure itself so they can decide how much they want to spend on an NVME or use an existing one. I can get a 4tb never for 270 - 300 Euro. I would never pay 300 for the enclosure itself.I assume many others would be in the same boat.
thunderbolt licensing, research and development, shipping and distribution, etc. along with the product needs a good enough profit margin on top of everything to even keep business afloat and pay employees. businesses have to make a money or else they don't exist dawg. welcome to life
Seems like the best use case is with the base M4 Mac Mini. Sub 2000 write speed for interior storage is pure trash in 2024 given what the market has with Gen 4 SSD storage.
- 2230 WD Black SN770M 1 TB costs $95 and offers 5,200 read speed and 4,800 write speed.
Still very high, will wait until it comes down.
You guys are insane! $600 😅. I’ll justget an affordable enclosure later on on alliexpress, i’m so sick of this greed from companies all the tome with new products.
Try testing when moderately full. Those random R/W results are not all that impressive.