Frankford Arsenal Stuck Case Remover - Really Awful
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- A look at the Frankford Arsenal Stuck Case Remover.
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What did Archimedes say “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I may or may not pull a stuck case” 😉😬😳...this turned out to be an adventure but I learned a lot...thank you for the video 👍😎👍😎👍😎
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣yeah!
Instead of finding a shorter bolt for the rcbs kit, stack a few washers on top of the cap
I use a socket with washers instead of a factory removal tool. I also think the Frankford arsenal would work on most cases in a real situation where lube had been in use.
I’ll be honest. I hated the tool from the moment you pulled it from the package. The standard case remover is a bit of a pain in the ass but there is no risk of damaging your press or bench or yourself. Thank you so much for taking the time to show this piece the way you do.
That was almost as cool as when you removed the live round from the Krieger barrel!
I still laugh at that stuck in the wall. Ha ha
Hahahaha shit had me winded from laughing so hard. I'm bout to go watch it again right now
that was crazy fun
LOL!! I bought one of these after the drill bit for my Lyman stuck case remover shattered. I've stuck .223, 30-06, and 6.5 Creedmoor and removed them with way less work than you went through. I think the difference is that I didn't use enough lube versus no lube and brute force.
Had a 223 stuck really good once. Spent 2 evenings fighting it! Grease gun didn't work, then stripped the first hole I tapped, stripped the second larger hole, finally opened the primer pocket up to the same dimension as the inside of the case, like 3/8" or so....found a bolt that fit (it had a cut in the first few threads like a tap) and decided to hit it with the impact driver while balancing my weight on the back to help keep from stripping it. Bolt augured in, slowed down, nearly stopped turning, but finally, the case released. Victory was mine. I still have the case, I look at some times it to remind myself not to be so cheap with the lube.
Mangled a pin when I first started when all I had was a vice, a hammer, some pliers, and a can-do attitude mixed with youthful exuberance. Should've just asked google. 6 bucks later, and my new pin has been serving me well. Went down quite the rabbit hole and bought all kinds of stuck case gadgets. Have yet to stick one again since lol.
I don’t know if this is supposed to be funny, but I laughed my ass off when you were trying to get the 300 Win stuck 😂
i haven't enjoyed watching a video and laughing this much in a long time
not a bad problem to have
Made my own case remover. A socket some washers along with a drill bit and tap plus a bolt. . Much easier to use than this contraption. Thanks for sharing the video and information.
I really appreciate you giving honest reviews of products, especially if it saves us from wasting hard earned money on products that don't work well or at all.
Johnny. demonstrations are a key proponent to learning. However, mistakes and correcting them are the most effective. the harder it is to correct, the more you learn relating to (I'm never going to do that again) and the mistake is avoided right off the bat. So, this is what I enjoy about your videos, you make mistakes, you clearly admit those mistakes and you try to correct them showing that everyone makes mistakes. I agree with you on the subject of just spending the money and let a die manufacturer do the job, they have special tools and access to machines that people don't normally have because of their expense. I say,, take advantage of those services at such a low cost and save the stress on you and your tools. Yes, it is a pain,, you won't be able to go shooting with your buddies, However, life is full of disappointments and we have to learn to deal with it. Good video. -Dave
Never learn from your mistakes. Always learn from your successes.
Great video. The absolute worst I've had is 300 BLK because you can't back off the decapping pin far enough (from what I remember). It was huge mess. Love to see a video on sticking one of those...
Threads are for sure one of the greatest inventions. The mechanical advantage they provide is insane. Probably my favorite simple machine.
Agreed whole heartedly. It is far better to obtain the best case lube though for the job and use it correctly.
Then you may never have to do an extraction. I have only done two in the last 20 years of home loading as I have learned by my past mistakes.
I have used bolts and nuts through a socket to lift a lot of weight as a screw jack.
I didn't know I was turning on comedy hour. Johnny, you should send some ideas to SNL. This was funnier than anything I've seen them produce in the last 10 years!
I just tap 1/4" threaded hole, run in a bolt, and press it out. Thanks for testing that contraption out.
Only channel I know of, the guy tries so hard to stick a case, just to show how to remove it 😎 Great video though! Frankford tool would be ok if it was machined and not MIM parts.
Do you think that backing out the capping pin from the start and just tightening the Frankford tool down as far as it can go would have made a difference?
I'm sure it's already been said but just in case it has not, put some oil (lube) on that tap next time. Screw the tap in and back it back out every couple of threads and it will go in a lot smoother. Don't back it all the way out, just enough for the chips to clear themselves. As for the Frankford Arsenal tool, I don't own one but I would try heating the die with a heat gun next time. May or may not help but I don't think kit would hurt. Otherwise great video. I've watched several of your videos and they were all great. Keep up the good work. I'm a long time reloader and really enjoy them.
Long time listener, first time caller. I have this tool and it's my goto for stuck cases. I admit it does take a lot of leverage, but my press is lower than yours too, I push down on the back of Rockchucker as I pull up on the handle. I do tighten the claw until i can't tighten anymore. I've not had any cases I couldn't remove with this tool yet, but I didn't try to stick my cases. I do agree with your recommendation of not using this tool with "lighter/weaker" presses. Thanks for the heads up, if i need to use a "cheater" in the future I'll just go ahead and drill and tap.
@JRB - Man! Thank you for demonstrating this tool. I rarely load anything big and have been lucky to have never stuck a case. I was considering buying a FA stuck case remover just to keep handy, but after seeing what a pain in the butt it is and how much strength you had to apply just to unstick a .223 I don't have any interest in spending the money on it. Looks to me like the regular drill and tap method will be the way I'll go if I have need. I really don't even need to buy a stuck case kit. A drill bit, tap, and a stack of washers will work just as well.
Lesson 1 don’t forget to lube the case !
Yes !!!
You are a very hard worker. I really appreciate all the work you put into this video.
You go the extra mile Johnny ! Great informative video.
Been using a RCBS one for years and after this video I will continue using it.
Jonny diggin your channel man.just got into loading 556.leard alot so far from you keep up the great work man.hope to see much more
Hi
Next time you use rcbs method, take proper size nut, thread that to the extractor bolt, thread them in to the stuck case as far as possible, then hold the bolt still and turn the nut.
So the die holder don't need to be tight and the bolt wont go inside the case more than there is space before hitting decapping pin, the nut will pull the case up/out, just a little lube to ease things
And the benefit of steel on steel is that if the thread has some problems in it there is no cutting stress on the brass itself
Same as aluminium, threaded straight in to an aluminium it's really easy to strip the threads, but when using a stud bolt it's even possible to break the stud before stripping the thread, same reason helicoil is used in some applications
The point was to demonstrate and review the use of a particular tool (that didn’t work very well). It wasn’t about how to remove a stuck case.
Anyone else notice he broke one of the jaws in half on the stuck case remover? 54:55....
Edit... welp, i should have watched a little longer as he noticed he broke it.
Someone down comment noticed it was cracking after the first case. 24:24 or so
If you want a stuck case just use the wrong shellholder
A 9mm shell holder while sizing .223 is a perfect recipe for disaster.
Hey Johnnie just a suggestion, try screwing the sizing die counter clockwise with the clamp tightened down, this might draw the stuck case out. I am very uncomfortable putting so much pressure on your press.
Just watching you try to stick those cases made the whole freakin video!! Pure entertainment!!
Dude! I haven't got a notification from jonnys reloading bench for 2 months. Not since live streaming stuff
Brutal. Major props to that press for dealing with all that punishment.
I have yet to stick a case - and, even without saying that, it is only a matter of time.
Lol, in twitch you were saying 30 minutes.. now it's nearly an hour love it.
Also, I can't be the only person who thought that press was going to break off the table and smash your face in
Grease gun? Drill and tap the primer pocket for a grease zerk. Screw in the zerk and use a grease gun. Way faster and easier in my opinion.
messy, and the dies arent sealed to begin with. not a great idea
Yeah I had one stuck so I made a way to put a zerk at the top of the die. Put a screw in the flash hole and maxed out my Milwaukee and DeWalt grease gun. Even tried a pump grease gun and couldn't get it out. It was MESSY. I drilled out the back took a small punch and collapsed it in on itself. Much faster
When I stick an LC 556 case, it’s because the neck “squirts” up around the neck sizer of the Lee carbide die. Usually the decapping pin won’t come out... I’m about 50/50 for getting them out undamaged (except for vice grip marks). I have a long punch I knock the case out with but the challenge is removing the decapper. I don’t know if this tool would do me much good. I stuck 3 the last time I loaded 77smk’s and junked one decapping pin.
I have had mine for 3 1/2 yrs + and it has never let me down. The problem I found today, is the C-clamp ring came out of the clamp. Not sure if I can put another one in or not, but I can also buy another removal tool.
That was real good tip I'm new to reloading and I haven't even started yet but I want to buy some stuff just in case I have problems thanks for the info great channel
That is handy for easy to remove stuck cases. It would be a nice alternative to try first before the drill and tap method
Too funny man! 😂 We've all been there and had our share of adventures trying to remove a stuck case. Thankfully I've only had one so far. I use a mix of lanolin and Heet for case lube and that's kept me pretty much trouble free when resizing 223's. Thanks again for the entertainment! 👍
Johnny, you need to secure that bench....great video, thank you. Also use a drill stop on the drill bit so it doesn't drop and hit the pin.
I absolutely loved this video. It cracked me up, and was very informative. One thing I thought about while watching this, I wonder if you liberally coated the base of the case with penetrating oil a few hours to a day before trying this, I wonder if it would help.
Thinking same thing . Definitely use Areo Kriol penetrating oil
I think I’ll just make sure to use case lube, lol. I think the RCBS method is less abusive to the press. I think I will weld a nut onto a socket of appropriate size if in a pinch. I actually think the Frankfort Arsenal Tool might not be that bad, especially if your press has more leverage and with the handle down lower design. In the real world I would never imagine anyone continuing to resize any case if it was that tight in the die to resize anyways. It was a fun video to watch, thanks.
Sizing with a Lee Die seems like a better way to remove a stuck case.
agreed!
I used to use RCBS when I first started 30 years ago...then I moved to Lee and havent looked back.
I moved to Lee when i stuck my first 223 case and toasted the stem.
@@michaelkaiser1864 ur telling me you can’t stick a case in a Lee die?
@@taylorbokshowan5713 no it's just less common. Also the way they decapping stem is made it's easier to unscrew and get it out of the way. You can basically retract the pin enough to drill out the base drop the pin through and the knock it out with a punch, or run a tap into the base of the cartridge and stick a bolt in it.
@@GunFunZS so exactly what I do with my rcbs dies…
@@taylorbokshowan5713 live the heck out of them. I still have a few RCBS. The small base version has a place and a purpose. I'm just a whole lot more ginger with themI'm just a whole lot more ginger with them. Sometimes I also decap separately or size without the neck expander in the die. It seems like newer made RCBS dies are a little better than the older ones.
I always just remove the decapping pin and drill and tap the base, thread with a 1/4" bottoming tap (brass is soft) and drop a nut around the die base. Drop on a washer, thread a stud or bolt into the case and thread a nut on and tighten the nut. The case pops right out.
Well at least there’s a JRB video to watch while we wait on the insanity of primer, powder prices to return to normal!
I still have both but it’s reaching a point that I’m going to have to stop shooting as much as I normally do. We are living in a mad, mad world but I refuse to legitimize it by giving in or selling out! Stay strong, stay well armed and let the “AFT” know it ain’t gonna happen in this life or the next!
Is there a reason no lubrication is used on the tap and Allen head machine screw? You will significantly reduce the rotational torque on the die and pull the case with much less force on the allen wrench.
Question: would it help at all to loosen the expander ball? Would that in any way unbind the case?
Also: it seems to me that clamping that case that way would cause it to oval enough to make it even tighter in the die. The drill & tap method wouldn't have that issue
it is impressive how stupid you have to get to stick a case. I like the lee method of stuck case removal. hitting it with a hammer.
One thing I've learned working on stuck bolts on cars . When the biggest impact wont make a rusty bolt move, apply heat . Even just a propane torch will do the job around the outer piece. Hit it again and POP! Out she comes. If you have this tool I would apply heat to the die. Just for 30 seconds max and pull. Or freeze the whole thing and apply just a bit of heat to the die.
I haven't tried it on a case that long before but have had good success just drilling it out like you did and using an Easy Out to twist the case out of the die. No tapping or bolts.
This might sound dumb but if you have a case stuck could you hit it with some WD40? Would that help at all?
Try putting a wrench on die and turning with ram up. May work in a similar manner to RCBS. It should be easier to extract with a little twist of case. Worth a try? Looks like the Frankford will stop against press as you turn die. .Great videos.
If it would start turning, you could completely unstick the case that way. Great idea!
Just me thinking ? Maybe reason for the 300 being even more difficult to remove is the larger case has more surface area that has to be broken from die when stuck ?
I agree Larry. The press and lever length will give a force that does not change. So the larger the surface area in contact case to die the more difficult to extract case. So a stuck .223 calibre demonstration might have shown the equipment doing the job. We will never know !
Another valuable lesson provided by JRB.
Certainly one of the funniest stuck case removal video of the whole internet! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I use the Forster stuck case remover because I use their die. Turns out my Lee shell holder was the reason I was having so many stuck cases.
I stuck my first case.... 300 blackout with Lee dies and I use imperial sizing die wax.... I was using the Lee shellholder that came in the die kit.
I grabbed my RCBS shell holder and it fit much tighter that the Lee shell holder... The shell holder was definitely the cause of the stuck case because it barely gripped the rim of the case
Wow! My Lee hand press would be a write off.
I have used a copper pipe cutter to cut the case to remove the expander. Instead of putting the die upside down I put it in my vice and used an impact to jun the bolt in and pull the case
I have gotten lots of stuck 308 cases from my neglect of proper lubrication. I have damaged many Hornady stems. Now all I use for sizing are RCBS or Redding dies for the purpose of using the Redding stuck case remover if it ever comes down to removing a stuck case. I could never tap the case properly.
stuck a case last night, had to use the tap and drill method. Shame that new device didn't work better. I still cant believe the force it takes to remove a stuck case. Surprised the brass doesn't just strip the threads with the tap and die method.
With all that pressure on the press to pull the stuck cases is a real testament to the press and to the In-line Fabrication press mount
Too many comments already so I don't know if this was mention. Maybe with that tool on there and then backing off the sizing die while still on the press. I would probably wrap the die to protect the finish with sandpaper, and I use some oversized vise-grips. Not sure, that 300 is a big case.
Oh yeah!
Stuck cases is quite horrible..
At the start of the video i was thinking i would get that kit even it's still hazzle to get'em lose👍
I would use penetrating oil..it has helped me inn the past when i have been drilling and tapping, digging and cursing the cases out earlier..
My damn Lee .223 resizer die have given me alot of greef🙄
Right before a match i was loading ammo for it was happening again..
Nice video and good review 👍😊
I think i'll find another solution to her the cases out..
Thank you!
That's the best time I've ever had sticking a case... probably because it wasn't mine🤣
I know I'm somewhat new to reloading but if it's this hard to stick a case you just talked me out of buying a stuck case remover... LMAO Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
@Bob Watters I was just joking I have the RCBS stuck case removal kit and I really hope I never have to open it. I've only loaded about a thousand rounds it was a combination of 223, 22-250, 6.5Creedmoor/Grendel and a few pistol cartridges. While I was resizing I was so worried about sticking a case because I've heard it said in lots of videos but it never happened. Then I watched this video and it makes wonder how it could even happen with a properly lubed case. I'm assuming it has to do with brass thickness, brass hardness, how much the brass expanded when you shot it and die tolerances but that's just me assuming I really have no clue because it looks like you have to try pretty hard.
Lol you buy one when you stick a case or two. Johnny is making the RCBS look difficult but it is really easy and the best solution.
With that tap and die set, If you add a washer and a nut to your extracting bolt, You can hold the depth that the bolt reaches by using the nut to apply the pressure
I would use some lube on the tap and on the bolt, when I've removed stuck cases it was very easy with a bit of lube. Thanks for the review, one more tool I don't need to buy. :)
I think a better approach is to not stick cases. Every time I have stuck a case, I had to exert a lot of force on my press lever. Just don't do it. When you start to feel extra pressure, stop, lower the brass from the die, re-lube the brass (not necessary to remove the brass from the shell holder) and try again. Sometimes, when I encounter very large fired brass (like LC military .308 from machine guns) I may have to do this 3 times.
Fun video Johnny reloading bench. That tool lucks awful didn't even work really. Got be some tricks make it work well
This video was a dumpster fire… and I love it.
You ever think of mounting your press first to a 2x8 then to the bench? It would displace the force across a larger surface area.
Try spraying Aero Krul Penetrating Oil. Spray up and let seep in for a couple min then work on the case. Generally come out like butter.
I suggested same !!!! Best penetrating oil ever !
CRC freeze off penatrating oil spray..shoot it down the top, after backing out the decapping rod. Doesn't contract the brass a lot, but every little bit helps!
Thank you! I will be using my 50 BMG press with that product. After video I will order this product.
When using the RCBS I usually put the die in a vice. Saves time.
The beauty of using Lee dies. I've never stuck a case in over 30 years reloading. Perhaps you should try a shot of case lube into the primer pocket and let it settle in before trying to free the stuck case.
Nice video but in the real world you usually get a case stuck that has lube on it and they are easier to remove. The Frankfort Arsenal Stuck Case Remover looks like a great tool to have in case one sticks a case. Certainly, an affordable option to just have around just in case. I am going to put one on my wish list on Amazon for a future order. If anyone sticks a case, you find out you don't want to do that again. I haven't stuck one in years but I do have an RCBS Stuck Case Remover, but they are a pain in the but to use. The Frankfort Arsenal one would do anything I might get stuck. After dealing with stuck cases in the past if the pressure gets to be too much, I don't go any further so I wouldn't get anything stuck as bad as you did for your demo. Nice demo just the same. Those deliberate stuck cases were stuck worse than a real life scenario.
The Rebel didn’t flex a bit. The mounting system - just a bit.
I've always just removed the decapping pin lock nut, put the die breach on the vice and then hit the decapping pin with a 5lb hammer, ...works every time
Thanks for the demo. Now I know what not to buy.
Haven’t stuck a case yet, but am about to start reloading again, and imagine I will.
John, check the screw jaw, looks like you broke it!
It’s cracked for sure if you noticed it then I’m not crazy cause I seen that to
Priceless, can't illustrate it any better than that.
I know this is 2 years old, but I had to remove my first stuck case...a new piece of Starline 6.8 SPC brass. I had some challenges on my first attempt, but asthe die was upside down I dropped a bit of gun oil (Shooter Lube) around the case and it practically popped out on my 2nd attempt. In the future, assuming I still sticks cases, I'll drip the oil right at the start...or I suppose I could just adequately lube my cases in the first place.
let me ask, could you put the die and the brass in the freezer then try this method. or a bucket of ice water.
How about using a turnbuckle between the press body and the handle?
Johnny, those die lock rings have flats on them so that you can tighten them against the threads in the press.
My backup method is to use a lag bolt short and a socket
Very educational for sure never had this issue.
Love the channel but where's the reloading Johnny? I'm being greedy and I know it but you're practically the only channel out there that has interesting info and a great presentation. Ok, now I'm going to complain a bit: I picked up the components for a pistol build in 6.8spc II and was hoping you'd get around to doing some reloading for it since it probably would be a great deer cartridge for your neck of the woods and from a short barrel which you seem to love so much based on how much you fawn over the .300 blackout. Come on, help a marine out and do some 6.8
I think you did not give the tool justest. You seem not to consider how much presser you put on the case to get it stuck. I would think that most would relies that something is wrong when they had to stand up to push on the press to get the case in the die. You will always have to use as much force to remove as you put in to get it stuck. I Really appreciate you taking your time to show us this tool. Thank you.
Put oil on the threads of the screw, and on the top of the case removal cup. Helps a lot with that torque issue. I usually hold the die in my hand.
We havent had this much fun since the grease gun splosion. 😂😂😂
Ultimate Reloader would have busted out the 1000 dollar hydraulic ez case remover. I swear that channel is like watching hot rod tv where everything goes perfectly and they have ALL the high dollar parts. No SuperTech allowed in that shop lol
Not no but hell no! Thanks for the video...saved us money
Jesus ! This video is going to give me nightmares , I am already hearing helicopters and artillery faintly in the distance.
I cannot express how painful it was to watch you purposely getting cases stuck in dies. This is a madman's journey. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be a crash test dummy, even for science.
Stuck cases is the main reason I prefer using Lee dies for resizing and other dies for everything else.
No special tools required to remove a stuck case from a Lee resizing die.
problem i see, if your torqueing down onto the end of the brass so much that it then crushes the case onto the depriming pin, it just making it even worse when try and remove it
Spend a bit of $$ and get a tap wrench instead of using a crescent wrench. Lube the tap & extraction screw to prevent galling of the brass.
Great review Johnny!