@@rabbitsonjupiter6824thats good does anyone think he might have been attacked before he starts naming other famous people who might have been involved
@@gsouth77 It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I must admit, before I read your comment, I hadn't thought that could be a motive for the attack. Watkins must have known loads of 'celebrities'... 🤔
she was an escort that he engaged and paid to act out his sexual deviances the media called her his girlfriend and she said that also but she was a call girl he paid!
@@89helybelywho gives a shit if she's a escort their is nothing wrong being one but their is something wrong when you a sick child predator who is a escprt luring children in and such...
@@lilnikki9146I had no idea about those things and that she’s still in some form of contact with him. No wonder her evidence was never believed if she kept flipflopping Thank you for bringing this to the attention of those who didn’t know.
I used to be a fan of Lostprophets. I had their albums, seen them live, etc, but as soon as all this about Watkins came out in the media I physically smashed up all my CDs and have refused to listen to them since. I've heard some people talk about 'separating the art from the artist', but I can't hear his voice without thinking about what he's done.
I totally feel you, man. I absolutely loved Lostprophets in my youth, especially Start Something was a big part of the soundtrack of my teenage years, and my old school bag even has a prominent Lostprophets patch. Now I can't enjoy their music anymore without having a bad conscience. So sad that such an important part of my youth has been forever tarnished - but then again, what are my problems compared to the horrible things his victims had to suffer through?
I don't generally believe in censorship but the fact that L.P are still on spotify sickens me. I know its not the other band members' fault but nobody should make money off his vocals and writing.
Ian is the reason I became aware you could even violate a literal baby in such a way, never in my wildest nightmares had I thought that was possible. Made me feel so sick and honestly, disturbed me greatly. What a monster.
Never forgot this case for that reason...a BABY! And his comments "all it will know is a life of filth" and the trial was "mega LOLZ".....I had to know how such a creature exists and everything to look for to catch these creatures
I think you have no knowledge of the depravity and pain that even newborn babies are put through by these evil spawn of Satan. 😢😢 Keep it that way because once you know how utterly depraved some people are you will never look at anyone in quite the way you used to.
Me too. I'm an awful coward and violence sickens me but he is one person I would be able to be violent to. I'd stomp on his face after hearing what he did.
Ever since his little attack, I've been singing to the tune of "rooftops" "standing in the jail cell everybody's stabbing iiiiiiaaaaaannnnn". I'm so glad you finally did this case though
😂😂 thanks now I have that lyrics in my head instead of the original. Haven't listen to them since it came out what he did to those children, but that song always comes to mind when I hear about lostprophets.
Good one I used to love the band but now I started singing this for the Megalolz it's the new improved version of A Town Called Hypocrisy which makes that ear worm of a song Irony at it's Finest "Save our Sympathy who does Watkins think he's fooling? LostProfits is dead! now JAIL welcome's him to total pain & suffering"
I'm currently sat in tears watching this. Absolutely lost for words. 10 months old! They are both beyond evil. Bring back the death sentence for these sick, depraved monsters. They deserve the most horrific things done to them. I admire the strength you have to talk about this because I wouldn't be able to!
Me too. Especially as a new Mum. But it's good that she does... She can be really honest on RUclips. To think this man could have probably charmed any lady with those looks and talent etc... But he chose to use it to abuse babies...
Yes, UK TV presenter Ferne Cotton dated him. As normal people, obviously we struggle to comprehend that someone we know and like could secretly be into heinous activities. May he rot in prison and burn in Hell.
I was so angry, disgusted and sad over this case. She did it excellent justice though. However, as sick as this sounds, I really wish they were Americans. Here in America he would have been in jail for the rest of his life...as would the "mothers". Horrible, sickening people.
When she says as a parent you would lay your life down to protect your children she is 100% accurate. I was a passenger in a car, my 6 month old son was in the back. When the driver lost control of the car I took my seat belt off and draped over his car seat. It was a horrible accident that saw all us light flighted. The driver had a below the knee amputation. I suffered massive internal damaged, lost some organs, others cut almost in half, and I was in a coma for a week and a half. My son spent only one night in hospital and was allowed to go home to my father because he was protected. He only had a few cuts from when all 6 windows were busted out. But he was safe. The paramedics said I would have been safer to stay in my seat. But I respond with the fact my son spent only one night in hospital. That made everything I went through extremely worth it. And if I could do it over, I wouldn't change a thing! I now suffer greatly from what happened but my son doesn't. Again, worth it! Edited to add: I was only 21 at the time. So B being 19 doesn't matter. No excuse. Also, it's very strange to go to sleep in November and wake up in December lol!
You are amazing and thank you for sharing your story, any mother would have done the same. I hope your recovery is/has been as easy as possible despite your injury. Xxx ❤ The hardest thing I've ever had to do was watch as I nearly lost my little girl and I felt so helpless I couldn't help her, luckily with amazing doctors and nurses my daughter is ok now but I'll never forget that feeling of standing by. My kids are my life and I'd die in a second to save them xxx
@@kristinabishop6573 thank you for your kind words. And I can't imagine how difficult that time was for you. You have my deepest sympathy. Thank you for your story. Mothers like you are an excellent example of what a good/great parent is. I hope your daughter has had an easy recovery with minimal long term effects. Sending you hugs!
What horrifies me most about this case is the police response. I start to then imagine what else has been reported that has never been followed up on and it's a horrific thought.
Omg this was a hard one to listen to. Had to keep pausing when my partner entered the room. I honestly felt 'dirty' listening to it so I can't even begin to imagine how you felt telling it. You done amazingly to put out such a horrifying story with so much information but in a respectful manner. The abhorrent display of sheer disregard for those babies by their egg donors and this monster is honestly like nothing I've ever heard before. Need a cup tea and a shower now to cleanse myself. Hope you are okay after this one 🖤
Been waiting a long time for this one! I've watched loads of others and just know that Emma's video is going to be so much better and more informative than others. I was a massive fan of Lost Phrophets and always felt thar I had helped to finance his appalling crimes in some way. Concert tickets, merchandise, and CDs all put money in his pockets. His sentence was not enough. He should have got a full life term. He is utterly disgusting. And he will try to do it again when released. He is still raking in royalties. He'll probably just move to the Philippines or Thailand.
I understand what you're saying. It's a pity that the behaviour and actions of Ian Watkins have made people associated with the Lost Prophets brand feel tainted in some way. I feel so sorry for his band mates and everyone else who worked with them - managers, promotional staff, tour operators etc. All of these poor people probably felt guilty by association at some point, despite them being unaware of Watkins's criminal behaviour. Not to mention that they felt like they were well and truly led up the garden path by him, so to speak. As for his band mates, I feel sad for them in the sense that they probably felt as though that's it, game over for them when the world learnt of what he had done to those poor babies. They'd probably be scared of people thinking that they're like this too and it would affect and potentially even destroy their music careers forever because of the actions of one sick and repulsive excuse for a human being. Just remember that nobody is to blame for what Ian Watkins did but him and those who assisted him. He would have done this regardless of who he was, even if he was a regular Joe with a regular job
I feel bad even having a song by theirs stuck in my head but then I remember if his band members had no clue the full extent then people on the outside couldn’t. But does raise that old dilemma of art versus artist but yes still horrible association to anything LP now so sad.
No, none of us did, nor would we.😢😢😢😢😢. I don't necessarily believe his band new the extent. Yeah, there's always young girls. And that's probably why he ended up separating himself from the heat, prying eyes, he was getting to some degree. We'll never know the truth. Ontil we do, we have to keep a questioning mind in both directions. Just like Emma stated. I think Emma's little girl has given redemption to the date.
I met Ian Watkins when I was 14 years old in Cardiff Student Union when Lost Prophets were playing. My friend and I asked for an autograph but he made a point of giving us both a lingering hug and before we left he also insisted he gave us both a second one. At the time, I thought nothing of it......14 year old me felt privileged but now I feel we had a lucky escape from this vile creature.
This is horrific! Watkins is more than evil. But I feel even more anger towards the mothers who gave him their babies. Emma well done for covering this. You’re so strong xx
I’ve been binge watching your entire back catalogue for the last couple of weeks. I don’t think I can ever watch another crime content creator again as no one is as emotionally intelligent or downright amazing. Thanks so much Emma!! ❤❤
Literally speechless😮....Horrendous. I've honestly never heard anything as horrific as this. Thank you Emma for giving a candid and realistic view of this case. I don't understand why the two women's names were not released to the public. They committed one of the most heinous crimes of humanity and worse as a mother. My only justification in my mind would be to protect the identity of their children. God bless those beautiful innocent children. I pray that they can live the beautiful life they deserve filled with love and protection. Thank you Emmaxx
Seconding this! I feel like we should know who they are so they can be avoided, imagine making a new friend then they tell you who they are or you find out in some other way that theyre one of these rotters. Kids should have new identities, that pair should be outed ✌🏻
oh I know why they don't release their names. let's face it. what would we all do if your sat at restaurant and there's "p" sitting across the room fro. you and "i" grab my steak knife and attempt to perform a labotomy on the bitch.....
Selling drugs to children is a lot of more common than you think, I grew up in the hood and as a child took all kinds of pills. Kids are easy targets to sell bad weed or week pills too. We got money from parents, from older people or from stealing. It’s sad and unbelievable but something we should all be aware of!
It genuinely depresses as well as angers me that such people exist. Any mother that can facilitate and take part in such sickness is a bad as he is - if not worse. 😢
Thank you for bringing up trigger warnings underestimating trauma victims. As a survivor I feel moved by and attached to the victims that don’t make it out, and especially the ones that do. Yes I get triggered at times in life but I don’t need to be handled with care. I need to feel not alone, I need to remember how strong I am, I need to feel connected to the idea that someone understands, I need to be reminded how lucky I am and to appreciate life when it feels too hard sometimes. I think this is why I’m so drawn to these videos (besides your absolute perfection of the case and the tributes). This is a special channel.
@@youtubeplayer8173 Thank you for validating how I feel. It’s always bittersweet because you don’t want someone else to feel it but it’s so healing to know you aren’t alone. Emma has created a really therapeutic, helpful, educational and loving community via this channel and all the darkness it entails. Thanks Emma!
i see what you and Emma mean, but I don't think people include trigger warnings because they don't think others can handle triggers. i'm a survivor too, and i feel similar to you about trigger warnings, but not everyone feels that way. it's not about not being able to handle it, or underestimating ppl with PTSD. i think it's about giving people a CHOICE to avoid triggers if they WANT to
i'm also a survivor, and i understand and agree with your stance on trigger warnings for ME. i don't think trigger warnings underestimate survivors, because they aren't there to tell us NOT to view. they're there to give us the CHOICE not to be triggered. it's like that website "does the dog die" that's just a list of movies where a dog dies, because some people are REALLY disturbed by that. it's not because they think nobody should watch a movie where the dog dies. it's there so people who don't want to see that have the choice not to. i hope this doesn't come across as invalidating, especially because i never look for trigger warnings myself. but there are a lot of others out there with PTSD who want the choice not to watch something that will trigger them, yeah?
@@OriginalAngsterexactly. I have PTSD and phobias and I DO need trigger warnings for certain things. It's about giving people the option to go "actually, I'm not in the right headspace for this right now". I can put up with a hell of a lot- my triggers aren't related to anything in true crime besides some audio recordings- but I would still prefer to know what I'm getting into. It isn't disrespectful to give trigger warnings and I hate how they're treated as a joke now when triggers are absolutely a real thing.
I was abused as an infant and only unblocked that trauma from my brain when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, ADHD, depression and anxiety, PTSD etc after escaping from a horrific abuser. I always felt something bad had happened but no specifics until almost losing my life and starting treatment with my psychiatrist. The flashbacks are horrible but I need to face them and everything else I’ve survived and understand all the pieces that make me. I agree with you, Emma. I’m a new subscriber and your content helps me. Obrigada and thank you 🙏🏻🇧🇷🇵🇹✊🏻
I have reason to believe that I was abused as a toddler (or earlier) but I can't even remember much of my early childhood due to trauma, so I don't think I'll ever know. I actually don't think I want to know. I ended up being harmed that way later in my childhood anyways. Stay strong, fellow survivor.
Hi Emma! Thank you for your sensitive delivery of this horrific case. I can see the struggle that you had to go through to tell this sordid tale and I hoped that you were able to decompress after. These things are awful to even read, hear and say out loud because it is nearly impossible to comprehend it, and that makes it too real. What scares me senseless, is that monsters don't look like monsters. If I did not know his crimes, I would think he is just another run-of-the-mill (scruffy) looking rockstar. He does not even have that dead-stare or anything that would make my brain scream RED FLAG RED FLAG, and *that* makes me shudder because how many more of his kind are there in our societies/streets/neighboring houses?!
Those people who say our justice system is a joke, don't understand that this guy will never get out. He can go to parole boards ad infinitum and no one will ever let him out. I imagine that he's had to attend courses in jail to attempt to rehab him( which is what jail is partly for) i don't believe he is capable of reforming because he doesn't have any empathy or the ability to understand what affects his behaviour has. I don't think he sees anyone else with any needs . Its all about him. So he's going to fail the parole boards. On top o 15:41 of that, no Home Secretary will ever sanction his release. Hes never going to be safe around children so he will be incarcerated for ever. I believe we need to study these men ( and some few women) . If we can't understand why , we won't be able to prevent it in the future. Punishment and deterrents are meaningless . If you're so determined to hurt babies and animals no deterrent is going to work. I have to disagree . The women were most definitely vulnerable just as women who put up with dv, they are likely to have been abused and groomed. Their stimuli are wired up wrong. So they are also victims. You know what if any of those abused children grow up to abuse ( which they often do) then we as a society, better say as a whole, they did that heinous thing because they had it done to them. Logically if we're all about feeling for what happened to the kids, then we have to accept that there is potential for that terribly abused child to go on to be a terrible perpetrator. And those of us who are lucky to have had safe happy childhood can have no concept as to the vulnerability of those women. Emma you have done some good research but you obviously lack the intellect to get your head around the effects abuse has. Think about people in concentration camps... who collude with the depravity are those camp inmates not also victims? Your lack of insight is making me furious. Its not be any means an excuse but read some proper research about why adults and kids abuse. Start with Jim Hopper. You gave the gall to say youve worked with abused people. Ffs some of those little girls in sex trafficking gangs are actively recruiting other children, are they not vulnerable or should they be treated the same way as the men who sold them? I'd have more respect if you actually showed some empathy to the women who were his victims. Its easy to have compassion for the helpless and tiny child but not donessy those away from the dog whistle knee jerk virtue signaling of slagging off those young women. Do a proper job. I HAVE worked with victims of abuse and you quickly realise that many many sexually abused children grow into abusers. But just hating on them won't stop the cycle. I won't be watching any more of your videos and will advise others not to bother. Its like the difference between being in kindergarten and at university.
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early.
I’d heard that it was an old girlfriend who gathered information, over several years, against him. The documentary that I watched (years ago now) clearly stated that the police were not professional & fast acting despite the fact that he was famous, quite the opposite.
Yes I watched that docu too! She went to the police a few years before he was even apprehended & she went a few times. They just didn't do anything. She now is passed away.
@@JNB520 wrong she signed a NDA and took a payoff, she removed herself from the witness/evidence pool as all Watkins's lawyer would have to have done is said "we have a signed agreement saying that this witness is lying."
Emma Kenny you are GOLD. I'm one of the millions who have been waiting for you to cover this case, and girl, you did not disappoint. P.S. how do you manage to look so good with a one month old baby?! I hope she is thriving x
Thank you Emma , I'm sure you had difficulty with this episode , as we all had too. Thanks for your outstanding dedication to presenting and analysing these monsters in human form !!
I took my son and daughter to see the lostprophets weeks before this news broke and I was absolutely gobsmacked. I couldn't believe I had been standing right in front of this man! We've never listened to their music since and my son never wore the hoodie that we got at the concert. I felt so bad for my son. Every time I hear his name makes me want to throw up now. Absolutely horrific the things he had done and wasn't surprised he had been attacked in prison lately, I'm just surprised it took as long
I saw them live too and considered myself a big fan of their music. Sickeningly I even had a MegaLolz shirt. I set it on fire once the news came out and haven't listened to their music since. I'm glad he got just a taste of the karma he deserves by being stabbed. Good on whoever did it.
I can’t wait for Emma’s narrative on this case, her 3 dimensional thinking is mind blowing and bang on point. I remember asking Emma on a live stream a couple of years ago to cover this and she replied that she was getting death threats. I understood that to mean that it was already being deep dived into but the delusional ‘die hard’ LP fans were having none of it. Kudos to you Emma. ❤
Im really having a difficult time with this story. I can't believe there are people like this. People say im overprotective of my children. I DONT CARE. I want these people gone away from society. How can this happen.
Exactly. Bury them UNDER the prison. Leave them in the desert. We need reform in criminal justice for these types. Tax dollars shouldn't fund their existence.
Unfortunately the world is run by sickos like Ian. Hence them wanting to try and normalise it, as in tranny story times for kids, which most parents deem ok!!! I think it’s all sick and twisted.
I know this video is older, but I just discovered Emma Kenny, and I wanted to say that you are awesome and you really do your research on the cases that you cover. I love your videos and you really go in depth and bring up other ideas and perspectives of different cases and the people that are involved.
Times are changing for the better. I remember when child abuse was swept under the rug and not spoken of because it was too ugly. Now people actually get prosecuted, even the rich and famous. Thank you all for the change.
Still horrible to see how so many got away with it for so long though. Jimmy Saville did it for decades and got away with it until he died, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Jonathan King R. Kelly, Bill Cosby and so many others also got away for decades until they finally ended up in jail. There are still a lot of things to improve.
Ugh I was a fan of the lost prophets and then when all of this went down, I literally threw up, literally! Because I had the hugest crush on him and now when I hear of anything related to this, I feel disgusting. I'm a huge fan of true crime and this is one of the worst I've heard of. I really hope those babies he hurt are doing well and getting the healing they deserve. And the families of victims are also healing. My love, strength and prayers go out to them over and over
Finally! I’m really looking forward to your take on this. And that’s the case for EVERYTHING! I often hear you say “I don’t want to just cover old cases that have been covered to death already” BUT it’s literally YOUR opinion we want to hear, your perspective etc! Pls never think “oh they might now appreciate it” because we do! ❤
I hope all the babies recover and are loved and never have to go through anything like this ever again. Makes me physically sick hearing all of the evidence...its absolutely abhorrent! Poor babies 😢😢😢
I can’t believe that you were sent death threats for covering this in documentaries before - like you said; would love to see them try! The things these 2 did is sickening and I hope that their lives are made very difficult for a very long time wherever they are!
Several years ago I worked with a young guy who was obsessed by this case. I thought it strange as he wasn't even a fan. Two years later I heard he was arrested at work. A friend said, "I hope it's not drugs." I replied that the police weren't coming to arrest him at his workplace unless he was Pablo f* cling Escobar. I no longer worked with him and the company tried to gag the staff but, needless to say, I found out. He was arrested for images of child abuse on his laptop. He was 23, I liked him, I enjoyed working with him, it came as a huge shock. Other people talked in retrospect about red flags but I think that's more hindsight. He had talked to me about the Watkins case but a trusted colleague said it was more than that. I've worked for two police forces, I know darkness exists but to find depravity so close to home stunned me. He got a suspended sentence because of course he did. Apparently watching this stuff is a lesser crime but try telling the victims that. Watkins defies description because nothing is bad enough for him. I extend that to his groupie accomplices, sick, sick depraved monsters the lot of them
this has been one of the hardest videos I've had to watch on your channel, but you have covered it with absolute professionalism and put this disgusting monster in his place. He is an absolute predator and makes me feel physically sick, along with the other individuals who worked along side him to inflict absolute terror on these poor children. My hearts go out to all the victims and children who were affected by this absolute scum of the earth. Thank you Emma for brining your expertise to this case and your insight. Love to your family and hope your baby girl is settling in well. Xxx
Hi Emma, promise us you're not hurting your post partum brain making these videos. We'll all be here if you want a break. It's dark dark content....post partum brains are vulnerable. ❤️
Like you, I worry about the effects researching cases like these will be having on Emma when she is in the vulnerable position of having recently given birth and caring for a newborn baby. I really don't know how Emma does this, I genuinely don't think my brain could cope with all of the in-depth research into these horrific cases.
@@eljay1980 I remember her from 20 years ago on the tv, she must be in her 50s (like me) , so shes been doing this all her adult life. Ha, both comments are from women, would you message a male criminologist this? Im sure she can handle it.
@@armondtanz Yes I would message a male the same thing and have done in the past. Anyone dealing with serious criminal case research, cold cases, search and rescue, etc needs to look after their mental health as I know having friends who work in emergency services how traumatising the things they see and hear can be.
@@eljay1980 That can be the case. But when an expert has been top of their field for 20+ years i think they have developed a system to deal with it. My ex worked with some of the worst of the worst and she could just shrug off their hideous actions. She also said some of the biggest sexists are fellow women telling her "oh dont know how u do it" "look after yourself" You know, patronising comments. You can hear quite cleary in the video that she has met, spent time with victims, heard prob some of the worst stories. So 100% she can deal with these situation which she has been doing for 20+ years. Maybe your the same person who goes around saying 'oh them poor women who offered their babies to ian are victims of his male dominant pattriarchy tendencies"
@@armondtanz I think if you read what I said, it wasn't "I don't know how you do it" but simply stating that I could not do the intense research, seeing the things that cannot be unseen, etc that this profession requires. I'm glad that your ex had ways of dealing with these situations and people so that it did not negatively impact her. Your assumption couldn't be further from the truth, anyone involved in abuse of anyone else (adult or child victim) whether they be perpetrator, witness or someone who has been told about it, they are all as guilty as each other.
They were genuinely my favourite band between the ages of 14 and 21. I saw them live so many times. Of course the main victims are the children, but I do also feel for the other band members whose careers and musical legacy were also destroyed by this scumbag. Really looking forward to hearing Emma's take on this one!
I saw them live at The Waterfront (a club) in Norwich, UK when I was about 15 and was invited backstage with a couple of female friends (same age). We were SO upset that we couldn't go...thank god we didn't.
Those band members knew he was a sexual predator and they did nothing. They enjoyed the fame he brought to their band and stood back while his girlfriend made claims of peadophillic behaviour, while he groomed, gave drugs to and have sex/raped underage girls. I agree they would not have even been able to imagine the depths of his depravity but they knew he was a predator and they did nothing so they have none of my sympathy.
@@christinacowan7644 I definitely think they knew something, he was so obvious about what he was doing and even if they didn’t know exactly what, his behaviour was strange, they would have spent so much time with him surely they’d have known something. Then defending him in court!! Honestly makes my skin crawl knowing how much I used to listen to them and go to their gigs.
Those band members had children of their own who knew him as "uncle Ian"....they had all distanced themselves from him in the latter part of their career as he had a cocaine problem...but no way did they know or allow a predator near their children! They are all fathers and are living fairly normal lives now away from the mess he dragged them into. Do your research love.
This makes “sleepovers at Neverland with a slightly creepily inappropriately childish man-child” sound like a genteel garden party. I was in the middle of a mental health crisis in Australia when this all happened, I don’t think I’ve ever even heard their music… so, thankfully, I don’t have to try to do the mental gymnastics to bleach my brain from memories of enjoying some tunes, but holy shite.
Omg I can’t believe you’re covering this one. I was a huge fan of this band and utterly heartbroken at what this monster did!! Love your channel Emma 💕
I'm curious .. do you still listen to their music? I'm not a fan of this type of music but I've seen on Facebook a few people not sure if they should still listen to their music and its an interesting question I think.
@@XjaXemXI was a massive fan as well. Saw them live numerous times and met them all including Watkins. I can’t listen to their music anymore. The fact it’s the singer makes it’s harder for me, it’s that monsters voice you are hearing. It wouldn’t be any less shocking if it was the drummer for example, but it wouldn’t be his voice you are hearing.
I was a fan too and the music got me through some hard times as a teenager. My friend at the time who found out about it told me what had happened when it was coming out in the news and I never listened to them ever again from that moment on. I think I'd be very upset if I ever heard their music again...just thinking about that the music helped me as a depressed teenager but it was that disgusting creatures voice singing it is really disturbing and still bothers me to this day.
I was a fan too. Start something is still one of favourite albums of all time. But I cannot listen to LP anymore. I haven’t listened to their music since the accusations. One day I hope they can find someone to re-record vocals on their stuff. It’s so sad that the other four members work has been tarnished because of this parasitic being. I can’t bring myself to listen to it with IW vocals
I love the way you explain these cases in such detail and appreciate how much time, research and work you put into each and every one. The way you tell these stories is captivating and sheds a whole new light on every case. I know you must have hundreds of requests however these are my suggestions for future episodes : Sylvia Likens (Gertrude Baniszewski), Kimberly Proctor, Jimmy Prout, Kirra Hart, Mitchelle Blair and the "Ken & Barbie" killers. I look forward to all of your future content and the fact that your adorable cat or dog sometimes make an appearance is a bonus!
I don't usually comment on videos but felt i had to on this one. Absolutely horrific and sickening case. You did a great job of telling the story for those poor victims. Must have been extemely difficult. As horrific and distressing that these videos can be, I believe it is truly important to share and raise awareness. Hopefully these poor excuses of human beings can be stopped and brought to justice sooner. As for Ian Watkins and the mothers of these poor children, they can burn in hell. Praying the victims can, with help, support and love, heal and have good lives. It's the least they deserve xx
I don’t have children of my own but I would stand in front of a bus to save a strangers child and I just cannot understand how these so called women would allow this to happen to their own flesh and blood. I used to have two dogs but recently one of them sadly passed away- I am in a difficult relationship and he is sometimes really unkind to me but if he laid even a finger on my dog he would never be comfortable for the rest of his life! The fact that they allowed this to happen really is beyond my comprehension. In the past I have spoken to guys on dating apps who have talked about young girls and I’ve told them that they really need help! It’s worrying how many depraved individuals are out there. However, there are also as many people who would do whatever they can to protect the innocent and this is what they have to remember. Always look for the good people…the ones who do everything to help. Emma, this was such an incredible insight and I really was not aware of the depths of depravity this scum had stooped to. May karma grab him around the neck and never let go xxx
I will be here 7pm Sunday, not looking forward to this one at all but I know Emma will have the words we will all be shouting at the TV. Very strong of you Emma to do this so soon after birth. Thank you x
Thank you for covering this, Emma. Also I appreciate no trigger warning. As a survivor myself, I too feel that hearing their stories and learning about the cases they're involved in, is the only way we can give victims a voice. And, of course, to spread awareness and educate others in what the red flags are. I'm going into this one forewarned as I have heard the case in deep dive documentary previously. But I know I'll learn something I didn't already know. Much love from Kerry down in Kent ❤
My hat goes off to you for covering this case! Especially after recently giving birth to your beautiful little girl.I was a lost prophets fan when i was around 14 (the shame) and really enjoyed their music at the time, i even saw them in Birmingham when they were supporting linkin park! I can't even listen to any of their music anymore after finding out what this sick, disgusting excuse of a man did. It did bring a little joy to my heart hearing how he got stabbed in jail, i just wish they'd had a chance to finish the job
I just hope all the children involved are finding a way to live a good life ❤ they are brave survivors and deserve nothing but love and positivity in their futures
Thank you for being so consistent with your releases! I can’t afford to do a membership and I no longer get notifications from RUclips when there is a release so I have to search your channel to find the new episode. Thank you!
I totally agree with you Emma on everything you’ve said in this video, as a victim myself in my childhood and now a mother of 4, id like half an hour alone with these people and all the ones that continue to support him!
I (sadly) saw them love when I was 14/15 and he actually came out into the main hall and was talking to lots of girls. At the time me and my friend ran to him. He kept talking to us and actually invited us backstage but my friends mam was there waiting for us to pick us up. Lucky for us. Phew! 😊
The fact the judge said that B was being manipulated is outrageous no one could make you want to that to your flesh and blood it's so scary to think there's people out there like that to do what they did I can't even imagine it let alone understand what went on with these beautiful innocent trusting little souls , he was born and grew up a mile or so from where I live and it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach to think someone like him exists 😠 My prayers and thoughts are with everyone involved, I hope he rots in HELL in this life and the next . Thank you Emma for covering this God bless 🌼
Thank you for not pulling your punches with the content here. It’s been horrific to listen to the heinous acts that took place and the content of messages. My mind doesn’t naturally go into the dark detail so it’s helped to really highlight the extreme nature of what took place. This has been an emotional and harrowing listen that I do not wish to repeat but do not regret. I cannot comprehend the depravity and evil some people are capable of. Truly shocking.
As a mom of a 5 month old, this is unbearable to listen too.. but people need to be aware of the level of depravity out there, to keep our precious ones safe. Hope these 3 rot in hell and pray for the little ones recovery 🙏
I am currently pregnant and have a precious 3 year old boy - this is making me sick to my stomach. I almost broke down listening to it. I am so sad my babies have to grow up in a world where people like this exist.
Oooof... This is a tough one, Emma. Thank you for going there. I know it broke parts of you along the way but these babies deserve nothing but dignity and support and you delivered beautifully. Thank you for taking one for the team🕊️❤️🩹🕊️
What a super creepy case to cover. Looking forward to hearing your psychological take on this awful case. Thanks Emma…you’re the best! Love your channel ❣️
Due to 6 degrees of separation, I know that his band mates were in the dark , they knew of the drug use and the band did really struggle trying to keep him clean and dealing with him under the influence was hellish for them and babysitting a full grown adult was difficult , especially when touring and recording Bands do not exist around each other 24/7 , they need time away !
I think this may be one of the worst cases I’ve heard about! He is the highest level of monstrous predator out there! Thank you for doing such an amazing job as always of giving the victims, those little infants, a level of legacy xx
Yeah it's so the kids don't find out which is definitely fair, but they shouldn't have had any kids in the first place, and they should face major backlash for being such disgusting rats.
I have watched so many of your videos and the horrors they involve but wow this is on a whole new level of disgusting!! As a mum myself I can't wrap my head around it let alone as a normal human it just doesn't make sense to me at all!! I honestly don't know how you managed this case at all!! You are amazing Emma!! I thank you for dedication to us all who watch you!!
My most potent nightmares could not have prepared me for this. I remember when the news broke, I was working in a bar in Paris. My colleague was a LP fan and had them on the bar playlist which she deleted the second she heard what had happened. I cannot get my head around these mothers and I don't want to.
This is shocking!! Parents harming their own children in this way is one of the worst and disgusting things I’ve ever heard 😢 the fact these kinda people exist scares the hell out of me!!!
Emma these monsters who have been blessed to be mothers are just as complicit!! As a social worker who has worked in child protection for 20+ years the capacity of human deviant behaviour continues to know no bounds! Thank you for covering this case and being informative, even though it’s disturbing content x
This is going to be a difficult one to watch. I remember when this case was in the news and being disgusted by the part the victims mothers had to play in it too. I have been trying to brace myself for this for a while though, as I recall several people requesting this case during some of the recent live chats.
And fun fact about Ted Bundy. He volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline and he would walk out the females to their cars when they were leaving and it was dark so they would feel safe. And he genuinely cares for his female coworkers. The author Anne Rule worked with him at that hotline and he would walk her to her car every night.
@@aflawedhuman2046 Possibly. But he did genuinely care for his coworkers at that hotline. He did say he liked that he was protecting them from him and they didn't know it. However he did do chivalrous actions. He wasn't a monster 100% of the time. I know he did say he valued Ann Rule as a dear friend.
As one of far too many that have experienced such abuse, I want to say thank you so much for pointing out that looking at CP images IS ABUSE too. It doesn't just make a demand for the production, it is horrifyingly haunting to a victim. Having to wonder who has seen it or if at any given moment someone is getting off to the pain they suffered. Those thoughts are horribly traumatic and they follow a victim. There is nothing like being out, getting looked at a certain way and automatically thinking, "Do they know? Have they seen me?" Or randomly, or while starting to be intimate, wondering if someone right that second is watching your abuse and enjoying it. It adds a layer on top of the abuse that was done to make it. It adds invisible monsters you don't recognize, anyone could be someone that found pleasure in your pain. Too many people think it isn't as bad. But in ways it makes it even worse.
as someone who was a big fan as a teen and saw them live this case always hits home. for years there was rumours he liked teen girls and that he was doing things with underage fans of his. tbh when he was arrested and it broke i thought it was all for the underage fans situations and then the story just got worse and worse. he’s such a evil creature. honestly makes me sick. looking back now at interviews he did in kerrang magazine you can sort of read between the lines of the things he was bragging about. makes my blood go cold.
Thanks for covering this case Emma, please remember to take care of yourself as I can imagine it was pretty harrowing having to tell all of this . I’m seeing you in November for your serial killer talk and I can’t wait!
Hi Emma, I've been wanting to ask you a question... so Suzanne Cappers case traumatised me and I believe it was because of the group mentality and how no one in that awful group had the balls to step up and say they've went too far, it infuriated me and I lost 2 nights of sleep thinking about it. is there any cases that you've found too hard to work on or cover? I know you've done loads but does any stick out? love your channel, and the effort you put into it, keep doing what you're doing 🧡
Omg, same... I watch, listen and read nothing but true crime and the Suzanne capper case brought me to tears. I'm so desensitised to these horrific stories but that one just hit me in a different way. The other 2 cases are the baby Brianna and the Junko Furuta. There are more but these two stand out xxx
Hi Emma your looking good girlie x just love hearing your take on all these cases , sitting down with a cuppa and slippers and riveted as usual to your content, anyone who does what he did makes me feel ill but its imperative that this type of crime against children /babies omg, has to be out in the open so it can tackled accordingly and the perpetrators bought to book, thankyou as always for all your hard work ,your a star and a warrior ,love from south London x
i am halfway through and my blood is boiling to what was done to these babes ,lucky he is locked up because most of us out here the things we would do to the people who did this , no excuse for this behaviour none ,evil beyond words, this is horrendous i weep for those babies Jesus wept omg x
When the DP is a possibility in CSO cases, it massively raises the potential that the offender will mrdr their victims - because that removes any witness and gives the offender nothing to lose - it would be no different punishment wise. That's why most countries don't do DP for child SOs, FYI.
The Ian Watkins case hit me really hard. I was a fan of The Lost Prophets - I even saw them at Leeds Festival. When i heard that Watkins had been accused of sexual abuse of a child , i was hoping it was just a malicious rumour, but when the full facts came out , there was no doubt in my mind he was guilty . This is the first time I've heard the full extent of Watkins crimes, and honestly, I hope he burns in hell for what he did. Also, what you mentioned about virtue pedophiles , my friend - who lived in Australia had told me he knew someone who ran a self-help group for them, and that they fully recognise what they're thinking is wrong and that they want to prevent themselves from acting on that urge .
This case genuinely makes you feel sick to the stomach. You've done absolutely amazing making this video about this sickening p*rve*t. Even makes you think bsck to the video of a song they had out called Town of hypocrisy and the theme behind the video was children's TV presenters then the dark side behind the cameras. That should have been alarm bells ringing.
1:00:58 there is no way that the band mates didn’t have some kind of idea of his predatory personality when there are under age girls backstage etc, I feel like they would have witnessed something!
“B” was a girl I knew. It wasn’t until my friend and I handed her camera to the police that I realised she was trying to groom me for Ian. I had a daughter just a couple of months older than her son. She started reaching out to me wanting other local mum friends that were also “in the scene” (meaning the music and style we adapted to at the time for those who aren’t millennials). I still think about this case every single day and what could have happened to me and my daughter if it wasn’t for the fact that I found the girl really uncomfortable to be around and that I found Ian gross. I could talk about this case forever.
Ahh Cassette tapes were the bane of my musical enjoyment. In my opinion there were no "Mothers" involved in this despicable episode other than you Emma and all of us who watch your videos. The images of what these babies went through is the food of nightmares. Kudos to the judge for saying it plain. 10 months old and you, mommy dearest, are taking part in this horror, you are worse than this despicable being, rock star animal. Justice Royce was bang on! I pray he doesn't suffer PTSD having to have heard this case. The women should be boiled in oil not given a short sentence! They sure as hell don't deserve it! Damn but I wish Judges could order some people IE P and B be neutered. Wild animals would not harm their babies but these so called humans thought he is just so cute. SO ARE CHILDREN!
I’ve been dying to hear your views, opinions, analysis and sarcasm on this one. I bet it’ll be a fantastic episode, what an absolute disgusting excuse for a human being that “man” is. Can’t wait for this one emma x
Thank you for covering this. I was a massive fan of Lostprophets when I was a kid and my heart was genuinely broken when the accusations came out. I read the case files not long after he was convicted and I genuinely felt sick reading them. He's an absolute monster and I'm beyond angry he managed to survive the recent incident in prison.
I'm a musician, been in several bands, YET never heard one Lost Prophets song. And none of my many music friends have. Something must have repelled us!!!!! THANK GOD HE WAS STOPPED. But those mothers are free. Yikes
The mothers, thankfully, were both sentenced to prison too. Their sentences were lenient to say the least, given the beyond horrendous crime. Don't know if they are still in prison or paroled.
When Emma talks of the death threats she received, i was unsurprised because outside of even this case, people can sometimes so idolise a person, that they will not accept that maybe that person isn't great. And feel the need to over defend someone they don't even know
Death threats have become an everyday thing here in the US. It never used to be this way but, in the last several years it has ramped up. It is so sad. I just don't understand why people do that.
@@DianeLake-sw3ymAmerican society decaying into Idiocracy due in part to extreme polarization and wealth disparity. Not that other countries are not in similar situations
It’s truly crazy to think I saw him in London on the first UK warped tour in 2012. Absolutely disgusting and I do feel slightly sorry for the other band members
Came to the comments to say the same. My daughter loved this band when she was younger it scares me think what could have happened if they crossed paths 😢
@@dailyspongeASMRYou Trying to be funny ? About did he Nonce ya? Wtf do u mean by that? Why u wording it like that? Always some freak in the comment section get of her channel
While this was a very difficult watch, I agree with Emma people do need to watch this. Well done and thank you for putting all this horrific information in an articulate and respecful way.
My friend met him while she was doing an internship at kerrang. She said he gave weird vibes and took a suspiciously long time in the bathroom. It was in the time of the really vile crimes so after it all came out she was always wondering.
This gives off Jimmy Saville vibes where the whole police department who were advised nefarious things were happening to children and they just turned a blind eye, luckily we didn't have to wait for him to die when all this came out, it still went on far longer than it ever should have 😢
Saville was protected at the highest level because he wasn't alone in his activities, it came out after his death because dead people don't talk , a shitebag like saville would've sang like a canary x
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He was attacked in prison by other inmates and stabbed repeatedly about three weeks ago. He's still in critical condition.
Thanks for that!!.. You just made my day!!.. Hope he's in excruciating pain!
I hope he survives so they can do it again 😈
I wonder if he thought being attacked was 'Mega LOLZ'? Utter demon 👹🤮
@@rabbitsonjupiter6824thats good does anyone think he might have been attacked before he starts naming other famous people who might have been involved
@@gsouth77 It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I must admit, before I read your comment, I hadn't thought that could be a motive for the attack. Watkins must have known loads of 'celebrities'... 🤔
The girlfriend that was reporting him to the police had her life was ruined but she kept trying to get more evidence. She’s a hero in this story!
she was an escort that he engaged and paid to act out his sexual deviances the media called her his girlfriend and she said that also but she was a call girl he paid!
@89helybely it doesn't matter. She still tried to gather evidence and report him.
I cannot express my admiration for her. She's an inspiration.
@@89helybelywho gives a shit if she's a escort their is nothing wrong being one but their is something wrong when you a sick child predator who is a escprt luring children in and such...
@@lilnikki9146I had no idea about those things and that she’s still in some form of contact with him.
No wonder her evidence was never believed if she kept flipflopping
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of those who didn’t know.
Emma: "I'm not saying he deserved to be stabbed."
Me: "I am"
👏 👏 😂
He deserved so much worse doesn’t he? Bastard!
Yeah tbh
I used to be a fan of Lostprophets. I had their albums, seen them live, etc, but as soon as all this about Watkins came out in the media I physically smashed up all my CDs and have refused to listen to them since.
I've heard some people talk about 'separating the art from the artist', but I can't hear his voice without thinking about what he's done.
ian's friends hated him as well,but didn't know about crimes
I'm not paying for his canteen in prison
I totally feel you, man. I absolutely loved Lostprophets in my youth, especially Start Something was a big part of the soundtrack of my teenage years, and my old school bag even has a prominent Lostprophets patch. Now I can't enjoy their music anymore without having a bad conscience. So sad that such an important part of my youth has been forever tarnished - but then again, what are my problems compared to the horrible things his victims had to suffer through?
@@torstenscholz6243 lostprophets were never big over rated pile of shit
I don't generally believe in censorship but the fact that L.P are still on spotify sickens me. I know its not the other band members' fault but nobody should make money off his vocals and writing.
Ian is the reason I became aware you could even violate a literal baby in such a way, never in my wildest nightmares had I thought that was possible. Made me feel so sick and honestly, disturbed me greatly. What a monster.
I had the exact same experience! Reading it made me feel like I’d never look at the world the same way again!
Never forgot this case for that reason...a BABY! And his comments "all it will know is a life of filth" and the trial was "mega LOLZ".....I had to know how such a creature exists and everything to look for to catch these creatures
I think you have no knowledge of the depravity and pain that even newborn babies are put through by these evil spawn of Satan. 😢😢 Keep it that way because once you know how utterly depraved some people are you will never look at anyone in quite the way you used to.
That's how people should react with revulsion.
Me too. I'm an awful coward and violence sickens me but he is one person I would be able to be violent to. I'd stomp on his face after hearing what he did.
Ever since his little attack, I've been singing to the tune of "rooftops" "standing in the jail cell everybody's stabbing iiiiiiaaaaaannnnn". I'm so glad you finally did this case though
😂😂😂
😂😂 thanks now I have that lyrics in my head instead of the original. Haven't listen to them since it came out what he did to those children, but that song always comes to mind when I hear about lostprophets.
Standing on the rooftops, everybody clear you laaaptooops!
Thank you, that tune still gets stuck in my head (involuntarily) and I can replace the lyrics with this now!
Good one I used to love the band but now I started singing this for the Megalolz it's the new improved version of A Town Called Hypocrisy which makes that ear worm of a song Irony at it's Finest
"Save our Sympathy who does Watkins think he's fooling? LostProfits is dead! now JAIL welcome's him to total pain & suffering"
I'm currently sat in tears watching this. Absolutely lost for words. 10 months old! They are both beyond evil. Bring back the death sentence for these sick, depraved monsters. They deserve the most horrific things done to them. I admire the strength you have to talk about this because I wouldn't be able to!
Me too. Especially as a new Mum. But it's good that she does... She can be really honest on RUclips. To think this man could have probably charmed any lady with those looks and talent etc... But he chose to use it to abuse babies...
Yes, UK TV presenter Ferne Cotton dated him. As normal people, obviously we struggle to comprehend that someone we know and like could secretly be into heinous activities. May he rot in prison and burn in Hell.
I was so angry, disgusted and sad over this case. She did it excellent justice though. However, as sick as this sounds, I really wish they were Americans. Here in America he would have been in jail for the rest of his life...as would the "mothers". Horrible, sickening people.
@@nicolemcnabb9111. And maybe on death row!!!
It's sooo hard to listen to. It's just so dark & depraved!!
When she says as a parent you would lay your life down to protect your children she is 100% accurate. I was a passenger in a car, my 6 month old son was in the back. When the driver lost control of the car I took my seat belt off and draped over his car seat. It was a horrible accident that saw all us light flighted. The driver had a below the knee amputation. I suffered massive internal damaged, lost some organs, others cut almost in half, and I was in a coma for a week and a half. My son spent only one night in hospital and was allowed to go home to my father because he was protected. He only had a few cuts from when all 6 windows were busted out. But he was safe. The paramedics said I would have been safer to stay in my seat. But I respond with the fact my son spent only one night in hospital. That made everything I went through extremely worth it. And if I could do it over, I wouldn't change a thing! I now suffer greatly from what happened but my son doesn't. Again, worth it!
Edited to add: I was only 21 at the time. So B being 19 doesn't matter. No excuse. Also, it's very strange to go to sleep in November and wake up in December lol!
You are amazing and thank you for sharing your story, any mother would have done the same. I hope your recovery is/has been as easy as possible despite your injury. Xxx ❤
The hardest thing I've ever had to do was watch as I nearly lost my little girl and I felt so helpless I couldn't help her, luckily with amazing doctors and nurses my daughter is ok now but I'll never forget that feeling of standing by. My kids are my life and I'd die in a second to save them xxx
@@kristinabishop6573 thank you for your kind words. And I can't imagine how difficult that time was for you. You have my deepest sympathy. Thank you for your story. Mothers like you are an excellent example of what a good/great parent is. I hope your daughter has had an easy recovery with minimal long term effects. Sending you hugs!
@@kristinabishop6573absolutely xx
What horrifies me most about this case is the police response.
I start to then imagine what else has been reported that has never been followed up on and it's a horrific thought.
I'd wager that the great majority of SA survivors, particularly children and the disabled, won't get any sort of justice.
Thats the police in the UK. Absolutely useless
Tons of law enforcement, judges etc are predators!
Mine too.
Omg this was a hard one to listen to. Had to keep pausing when my partner entered the room. I honestly felt 'dirty' listening to it so I can't even begin to imagine how you felt telling it. You done amazingly to put out such a horrifying story with so much information but in a respectful manner. The abhorrent display of sheer disregard for those babies by their egg donors and this monster is honestly like nothing I've ever heard before. Need a cup tea and a shower now to cleanse myself. Hope you are okay after this one 🖤
Sickening
Ivw gt the exact same feelin 😢😢
Been waiting a long time for this one! I've watched loads of others and just know that Emma's video is going to be so much better and more informative than others. I was a massive fan of Lost Phrophets and always felt thar I had helped to finance his appalling crimes in some way. Concert tickets, merchandise, and CDs all put money in his pockets. His sentence was not enough. He should have got a full life term. He is utterly disgusting. And he will try to do it again when released. He is still raking in royalties. He'll probably just move to the Philippines or Thailand.
I’m with you there (apart from being a LP fan), I’ve watched heaps about IW and I too have been waiting an age for Emma to cover this.
I understand what you're saying. It's a pity that the behaviour and actions of Ian Watkins have made people associated with the Lost Prophets brand feel tainted in some way. I feel so sorry for his band mates and everyone else who worked with them - managers, promotional staff, tour operators etc. All of these poor people probably felt guilty by association at some point, despite them being unaware of Watkins's criminal behaviour. Not to mention that they felt like they were well and truly led up the garden path by him, so to speak. As for his band mates, I feel sad for them in the sense that they probably felt as though that's it, game over for them when the world learnt of what he had done to those poor babies. They'd probably be scared of people thinking that they're like this too and it would affect and potentially even destroy their music careers forever because of the actions of one sick and repulsive excuse for a human being.
Just remember that nobody is to blame for what Ian Watkins did but him and those who assisted him. He would have done this regardless of who he was, even if he was a regular Joe with a regular job
I feel bad even having a song by theirs stuck in my head but then I remember if his band members had no clue the full extent then people on the outside couldn’t. But does raise that old dilemma of art versus artist but yes still horrible association to anything LP now so sad.
@@nicolajayne1594 Thank you for putting this into words 🙏
No, none of us did, nor would we.😢😢😢😢😢. I don't necessarily believe his band new the extent. Yeah, there's always young girls. And that's probably why he ended up separating himself from the heat, prying eyes, he was getting to some degree. We'll never know the truth. Ontil we do, we have to keep a questioning mind in both directions. Just like Emma stated. I think Emma's little girl has given redemption to the date.
I met Ian Watkins when I was 14 years old in Cardiff Student Union when Lost Prophets were playing. My friend and I asked for an autograph but he made a point of giving us both a lingering hug and before we left he also insisted he gave us both a second one. At the time, I thought nothing of it......14 year old me felt privileged but now I feel we had a lucky escape from this vile creature.
This is horrific!
Watkins is more than evil. But I feel even more anger towards the mothers who gave him their babies.
Emma well done for covering this. You’re so strong xx
100% agree 👍
They're not mothers. They lost that privilege. Absolute monsters.
Yes this one was really hard to hear.
Nauseating case. Evil personified!
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Ditto.
I’ve been binge watching your entire back catalogue for the last couple of weeks. I don’t think I can ever watch another crime content creator again as no one is as emotionally intelligent or downright amazing. Thanks so much Emma!! ❤❤
Literally speechless😮....Horrendous. I've honestly never heard anything as horrific as this. Thank you Emma for giving a candid and realistic view of this case. I don't understand why the two women's names were not released to the public. They committed one of the most heinous crimes of humanity and worse as a mother. My only justification in my mind would be to protect the identity of their children. God bless those beautiful innocent children. I pray that they can live the beautiful life they deserve filled with love and protection. Thank you Emmaxx
Seconding this! I feel like we should know who they are so they can be avoided, imagine making a new friend then they tell you who they are or you find out in some other way that theyre one of these rotters. Kids should have new identities, that pair should be outed ✌🏻
oh I know why they don't release their names. let's face it. what would we all do if your sat at restaurant and there's "p" sitting across the room fro. you and "i" grab my steak knife and attempt to perform a labotomy on the bitch.....
Unfortunately it gets MUCH worse than the likes of Watkins.
They are anonymous to protect the identities of the poor children
@@bobjames6622 I dread to think... :'-(
Selling drugs to children is a lot of more common than you think, I grew up in the hood and as a child took all kinds of pills. Kids are easy targets to sell bad weed or week pills too. We got money from parents, from older people or from stealing. It’s sad and unbelievable but something we should all be aware of!
I can't think of many things that are more pathetic than selling drugs to little kids
That gives "Dealing with children" a whole new meaning.
It genuinely depresses as well as angers me that such people exist. Any mother that can facilitate and take part in such sickness is a bad as he is - if not worse. 😢
Agreed
I absolutely agree with you.
Completely agree those mothers should have received life sentences without parole
@@katywuste9054unfortunately as far as I understand the UK does not have life without parole.
Absolutely agree with you! They are just as sick if not even more SICK!!!!!!
Thank you for bringing up trigger warnings underestimating trauma victims. As a survivor I feel moved by and attached to the victims that don’t make it out, and especially the ones that do. Yes I get triggered at times in life but I don’t need to be handled with care. I need to feel not alone, I need to remember how strong I am, I need to feel connected to the idea that someone understands, I need to be reminded how lucky I am and to appreciate life when it feels too hard sometimes. I think this is why I’m so drawn to these videos (besides your absolute perfection of the case and the tributes). This is a special channel.
I have always felt the same, great comment...nice to see another who understands and know another thinks of it the way I do...
@@youtubeplayer8173 Thank you for validating how I feel. It’s always bittersweet because you don’t want someone else to feel it but it’s so healing to know you aren’t alone. Emma has created a really therapeutic, helpful, educational and loving community via this channel and all the darkness it entails. Thanks Emma!
i see what you and Emma mean, but I don't think people include trigger warnings because they don't think others can handle triggers. i'm a survivor too, and i feel similar to you about trigger warnings, but not everyone feels that way. it's not about not being able to handle it, or underestimating ppl with PTSD. i think it's about giving people a CHOICE to avoid triggers if they WANT to
i'm also a survivor, and i understand and agree with your stance on trigger warnings for ME. i don't think trigger warnings underestimate survivors, because they aren't there to tell us NOT to view. they're there to give us the CHOICE not to be triggered. it's like that website "does the dog die" that's just a list of movies where a dog dies, because some people are REALLY disturbed by that. it's not because they think nobody should watch a movie where the dog dies. it's there so people who don't want to see that have the choice not to. i hope this doesn't come across as invalidating, especially because i never look for trigger warnings myself. but there are a lot of others out there with PTSD who want the choice not to watch something that will trigger them, yeah?
@@OriginalAngsterexactly. I have PTSD and phobias and I DO need trigger warnings for certain things. It's about giving people the option to go "actually, I'm not in the right headspace for this right now". I can put up with a hell of a lot- my triggers aren't related to anything in true crime besides some audio recordings- but I would still prefer to know what I'm getting into. It isn't disrespectful to give trigger warnings and I hate how they're treated as a joke now when triggers are absolutely a real thing.
I was abused as an infant and only unblocked that trauma from my brain when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, ADHD, depression and anxiety, PTSD etc after escaping from a horrific abuser. I always felt something bad had happened but no specifics until almost losing my life and starting treatment with my psychiatrist. The flashbacks are horrible but I need to face them and everything else I’ve survived and understand all the pieces that make me. I agree with you, Emma. I’m a new subscriber and your content helps me. Obrigada and thank you 🙏🏻🇧🇷🇵🇹✊🏻
I have reason to believe that I was abused as a toddler (or earlier) but I can't even remember much of my early childhood due to trauma, so I don't think I'll ever know. I actually don't think I want to know. I ended up being harmed that way later in my childhood anyways. Stay strong, fellow survivor.
Hi Emma! Thank you for your sensitive delivery of this horrific case. I can see the struggle that you had to go through to tell this sordid tale and I hoped that you were able to decompress after. These things are awful to even read, hear and say out loud because it is nearly impossible to comprehend it, and that makes it too real. What scares me senseless, is that monsters don't look like monsters. If I did not know his crimes, I would think he is just another run-of-the-mill (scruffy) looking rockstar. He does not even have that dead-stare or anything that would make my brain scream RED FLAG RED FLAG, and *that* makes me shudder because how many more of his kind are there in our societies/streets/neighboring houses?!
Our justice system in the UK is a sick joke. How can they ever let this monster out on parole? He needs to be locked up forever.
It's incomprehensible.
And what about the babies' mothers?!? They are even more depraved, it's their own children they enjoyed violating! It's unthinkable
He won’t ever walk out..
That’s because most in power are like that depraved p0s.
Those people who say our justice system is a joke, don't understand that this guy will never get out. He can go to parole boards ad infinitum and no one will ever let him out. I imagine that he's had to attend courses in jail to attempt to rehab him( which is what jail is partly for) i don't believe he is capable of reforming because he doesn't have any empathy or the ability to understand what affects his behaviour has. I don't think he sees anyone else with any needs . Its all about him. So he's going to fail the parole boards. On top o 15:41 of that, no Home Secretary will ever sanction his release. Hes never going to be safe around children so he will be incarcerated for ever. I believe we need to study these men ( and some few women) . If we can't understand why , we won't be able to prevent it in the future. Punishment and deterrents are meaningless . If you're so determined to hurt babies and animals no deterrent is going to work.
I have to disagree . The women were most definitely vulnerable just as women who put up with dv, they are likely to have been abused and groomed. Their stimuli are wired up wrong. So they are also victims.
You know what if any of those abused children grow up to abuse ( which they often do) then we as a society, better say as a whole, they did that heinous thing because they had it done to them. Logically if we're all about feeling for what happened to the kids, then we have to accept that there is potential for that terribly abused child to go on to be a terrible perpetrator.
And those of us who are lucky to have had safe happy childhood can have no concept as to the vulnerability of those women.
Emma you have done some good research but you obviously lack the intellect to get your head around the effects abuse has.
Think about people in concentration camps... who collude with the depravity are those camp inmates not also victims?
Your lack of insight is making me furious. Its not be any means an excuse but read some proper research about why adults and kids abuse. Start with Jim Hopper.
You gave the gall to say youve worked with abused people. Ffs some of those little girls in sex trafficking gangs are actively recruiting other children, are they not vulnerable or should they be treated the same way as the men who sold them? I'd have more respect if you actually showed some empathy to the women who were his victims. Its easy to have compassion for the helpless and tiny child but not donessy those away from the dog whistle knee jerk virtue signaling of slagging off those young women.
Do a proper job. I HAVE worked with victims of abuse and you quickly realise that many many sexually abused children grow into abusers. But just hating on them won't stop the cycle. I won't be watching any more of your videos and will advise others not to bother. Its like the difference between being in kindergarten and at university.
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early.
I’d heard that it was an old girlfriend who gathered information, over several years, against him. The documentary that I watched (years ago now) clearly stated that the police were not professional & fast acting despite the fact that he was famous, quite the opposite.
Yes I watched that docu too! She went to the police a few years before he was even apprehended & she went a few times. They just didn't do anything. She now is passed away.
She always would find him girls at 15/16 for threesoms. She was no better! All very sick people
@@JNB520 wrong she signed a NDA and took a payoff, she removed herself from the witness/evidence pool as all Watkins's lawyer would have to have done is said "we have a signed agreement saying that this witness is lying."
@@lewisb85 lies
@@JNB520 So she needs to sue BBC panorama/newsnight then, oh wait I'm sure they used due diligence and it was what happened.
Emma Kenny you are GOLD. I'm one of the millions who have been waiting for you to cover this case, and girl, you did not disappoint.
P.S. how do you manage to look so good with a one month old baby?! I hope she is thriving x
Thank you Emma , I'm sure you had difficulty with this episode , as we all had too. Thanks for your outstanding dedication to presenting and analysing these monsters in human form !!
I took my son and daughter to see the lostprophets weeks before this news broke and I was absolutely gobsmacked. I couldn't believe I had been standing right in front of this man! We've never listened to their music since and my son never wore the hoodie that we got at the concert. I felt so bad for my son. Every time I hear his name makes me want to throw up now. Absolutely horrific the things he had done and wasn't surprised he had been attacked in prison lately, I'm just surprised it took as long
So sorry that’s so sad what a horrible scumbag to make kids love him then do that. he is disgusting x
I saw them live too and considered myself a big fan of their music. Sickeningly I even had a MegaLolz shirt. I set it on fire once the news came out and haven't listened to their music since. I'm glad he got just a taste of the karma he deserves by being stabbed. Good on whoever did it.
I can’t wait for Emma’s narrative on this case, her 3 dimensional thinking is mind blowing and bang on point. I remember asking Emma on a live stream a couple of years ago to cover this and she replied that she was getting death threats. I understood that to mean that it was already being deep dived into but the delusional ‘die hard’ LP fans were having none of it. Kudos to you Emma. ❤
Tears rolling down my face at the first mention of that 10month old baby boy. had to pause it a few times this is just..no words.
Im really having a difficult time with this story. I can't believe there are people like this. People say im overprotective of my children. I DONT CARE. I want these people gone away from society. How can this happen.
Exactly. Bury them UNDER the prison. Leave them in the desert. We need reform in criminal justice for these types. Tax dollars shouldn't fund their existence.
Unfortunately the world is run by sickos like Ian.
Hence them wanting to try and normalise it, as in tranny story times for kids, which most parents deem ok!!! I think it’s all sick and twisted.
I never left my son with anyone. If someone abused my son or nieces and nephews, I guarantee they won't make it to trial. And that's a fact
Emma - "I'm not saying he deserved to me stabbed"
Me - "I am".
"And the rest of the universe" - Me too 😆
I've waited sooo long for Emma to cover this case. Can't wait to see her take and insight on such a disgusting monster.
I know this video is older, but I just discovered Emma Kenny, and I wanted to say that you are awesome and you really do your research on the cases that you cover. I love your videos and you really go in depth and bring up other ideas and perspectives of different cases and the people that are involved.
I'm a new fan too! She's amazing!
Times are changing for the better. I remember when child abuse was swept under the rug and not spoken of because it was too ugly. Now people actually get prosecuted, even the rich and famous. Thank you all for the change.
Exactly the reason we need to heat about it. It needs to not be ignored
Now we need the sentencing to be much much longer and reflect the severity of the crime
Still horrible to see how so many got away with it for so long though. Jimmy Saville did it for decades and got away with it until he died, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Jonathan King R. Kelly, Bill Cosby and so many others also got away for decades until they finally ended up in jail. There are still a lot of things to improve.
Ugh I was a fan of the lost prophets and then when all of this went down, I literally threw up, literally! Because I had the hugest crush on him and now when I hear of anything related to this, I feel disgusting. I'm a huge fan of true crime and this is one of the worst I've heard of. I really hope those babies he hurt are doing well and getting the healing they deserve. And the families of victims are also healing. My love, strength and prayers go out to them over and over
Finally! I’m really looking forward to your take on this.
And that’s the case for EVERYTHING! I often hear you say “I don’t want to just cover old cases that have been covered to death already” BUT it’s literally YOUR opinion we want to hear, your perspective etc! Pls never think “oh they might now appreciate it” because we do! ❤
I hope all the babies recover and are loved and never have to go through anything like this ever again.
Makes me physically sick hearing all of the evidence...its absolutely abhorrent!
Poor babies 😢😢😢
“Who needs teeth” actually spat out my coffee with laughter 😂 belter
Me too..😂
I can’t believe that you were sent death threats for covering this in documentaries before - like you said; would love to see them try! The things these 2 did is sickening and I hope that their lives are made very difficult for a very long time wherever they are!
I’ve been waiting for this. This is gonna be savage. Absolute props to you Emma for what I can imagine has been some hideous research. X
Several years ago I worked with a young guy who was obsessed by this case. I thought it strange as he wasn't even a fan. Two years later I heard he was arrested at work. A friend said, "I hope it's not drugs." I replied that the police weren't coming to arrest him at his workplace unless he was Pablo f* cling Escobar. I no longer worked with him and the company tried to gag the staff but, needless to say, I found out. He was arrested for images of child abuse on his laptop. He was 23, I liked him, I enjoyed working with him, it came as a huge shock. Other people talked in retrospect about red flags but I think that's more hindsight. He had talked to me about the Watkins case but a trusted colleague said it was more than that. I've worked for two police forces, I know darkness exists but to find depravity so close to home stunned me. He got a suspended sentence because of course he did. Apparently watching this stuff is a lesser crime but try telling the victims that. Watkins defies description because nothing is bad enough for him. I extend that to his groupie accomplices, sick, sick depraved monsters the lot of them
this has been one of the hardest videos I've had to watch on your channel, but you have covered it with absolute professionalism and put this disgusting monster in his place.
He is an absolute predator and makes me feel physically sick, along with the other individuals who worked along side him to inflict absolute terror on these poor children.
My hearts go out to all the victims and children who were affected by this absolute scum of the earth.
Thank you Emma for brining your expertise to this case and your insight. Love to your family and hope your baby girl is settling in well.
Xxx
Hi Emma, promise us you're not hurting your post partum brain making these videos. We'll all be here if you want a break. It's dark dark content....post partum brains are vulnerable. ❤️
Like you, I worry about the effects researching cases like these will be having on Emma when she is in the vulnerable position of having recently given birth and caring for a newborn baby. I really don't know how Emma does this, I genuinely don't think my brain could cope with all of the in-depth research into these horrific cases.
@@eljay1980 I remember her from 20 years ago on the tv, she must be in her 50s (like me) , so shes been doing this all her adult life.
Ha, both comments are from women, would you message a male criminologist this? Im sure she can handle it.
@@armondtanz Yes I would message a male the same thing and have done in the past. Anyone dealing with serious criminal case research, cold cases, search and rescue, etc needs to look after their mental health as I know having friends who work in emergency services how traumatising the things they see and hear can be.
@@eljay1980 That can be the case. But when an expert has been top of their field for 20+ years i think they have developed a system to deal with it.
My ex worked with some of the worst of the worst and she could just shrug off their hideous actions.
She also said some of the biggest sexists are fellow women telling her "oh dont know how u do it" "look after yourself"
You know, patronising comments.
You can hear quite cleary in the video that she has met, spent time with victims, heard prob some of the worst stories. So 100% she can deal with these situation which she has been doing for 20+ years.
Maybe your the same person who goes around saying 'oh them poor women who offered their babies to ian are victims of his male dominant pattriarchy tendencies"
@@armondtanz I think if you read what I said, it wasn't "I don't know how you do it" but simply stating that I could not do the intense research, seeing the things that cannot be unseen, etc that this profession requires.
I'm glad that your ex had ways of dealing with these situations and people so that it did not negatively impact her.
Your assumption couldn't be further from the truth, anyone involved in abuse of anyone else (adult or child victim) whether they be perpetrator, witness or someone who has been told about it, they are all as guilty as each other.
They were genuinely my favourite band between the ages of 14 and 21. I saw them live so many times. Of course the main victims are the children, but I do also feel for the other band members whose careers and musical legacy were also destroyed by this scumbag.
Really looking forward to hearing Emma's take on this one!
Same! I adored their music from the minute fake sounds was released, makes me sick knowing what he did 😢
I saw them live at The Waterfront (a club) in Norwich, UK when I was about 15 and was invited backstage with a couple of female friends (same age). We were SO upset that we couldn't go...thank god we didn't.
Those band members knew he was a sexual predator and they did nothing. They enjoyed the fame he brought to their band and stood back while his girlfriend made claims of peadophillic behaviour, while he groomed, gave drugs to and have sex/raped underage girls. I agree they would not have even been able to imagine the depths of his depravity but they knew he was a predator and they did nothing so they have none of my sympathy.
@@christinacowan7644 I definitely think they knew something, he was so obvious about what he was doing and even if they didn’t know exactly what, his behaviour was strange, they would have spent so much time with him surely they’d have known something. Then defending him in court!! Honestly makes my skin crawl knowing how much I used to listen to them and go to their gigs.
Those band members had children of their own who knew him as "uncle Ian"....they had all distanced themselves from him in the latter part of their career as he had a cocaine problem...but no way did they know or allow a predator near their children! They are all fathers and are living fairly normal lives now away from the mess he dragged them into. Do your research love.
This makes “sleepovers at Neverland with a slightly creepily inappropriately childish man-child” sound like a genteel garden party.
I was in the middle of a mental health crisis in Australia when this all happened, I don’t think I’ve ever even heard their music… so, thankfully, I don’t have to try to do the mental gymnastics to bleach my brain from memories of enjoying some tunes, but holy shite.
Omg I can’t believe you’re covering this one. I was a huge fan of this band and utterly heartbroken at what this monster did!! Love your channel Emma 💕
I'm curious .. do you still listen to their music? I'm not a fan of this type of music but I've seen on Facebook a few people not sure if they should still listen to their music and its an interesting question I think.
@@XjaXemXI was a massive fan as well. Saw them live numerous times and met them all including Watkins.
I can’t listen to their music anymore.
The fact it’s the singer makes it’s harder for me, it’s that monsters voice you are hearing.
It wouldn’t be any less shocking if it was the drummer for example, but it wouldn’t be his voice you are hearing.
I was a fan too and the music got me through some hard times as a teenager. My friend at the time who found out about it told me what had happened when it was coming out in the news and I never listened to them ever again from that moment on. I think I'd be very upset if I ever heard their music again...just thinking about that the music helped me as a depressed teenager but it was that disgusting creatures voice singing it is really disturbing and still bothers me to this day.
I was a fan too. Start something is still one of favourite albums of all time. But I cannot listen to LP anymore. I haven’t listened to their music since the accusations. One day I hope they can find someone to re-record vocals on their stuff. It’s so sad that the other four members work has been tarnished because of this parasitic being. I can’t bring myself to listen to it with IW vocals
I love the way you explain these cases in such detail and appreciate how much time, research and work you put into each and every one. The way you tell these stories is captivating and sheds a whole new light on every case. I know you must have hundreds of requests however these are my suggestions for future episodes : Sylvia Likens (Gertrude Baniszewski), Kimberly Proctor, Jimmy Prout, Kirra Hart, Mitchelle Blair and the "Ken & Barbie" killers. I look forward to all of your future content and the fact that your adorable cat or dog sometimes make an appearance is a bonus!
I don't usually comment on videos but felt i had to on this one. Absolutely horrific and sickening case. You did a great job of telling the story for those poor victims. Must have been extemely difficult. As horrific and distressing that these videos can be, I believe it is truly important to share and raise awareness. Hopefully these poor excuses of human beings can be stopped and brought to justice sooner. As for Ian Watkins and the mothers of these poor children, they can burn in hell.
Praying the victims can, with help, support and love, heal and have good lives. It's the least they deserve xx
I don’t have children of my own but I would stand in front of a bus to save a strangers child and I just cannot understand how these so called women would allow this to happen to their own flesh and blood. I used to have two dogs but recently one of them sadly passed away- I am in a difficult relationship and he is sometimes really unkind to me but if he laid even a finger on my dog he would never be comfortable for the rest of his life! The fact that they allowed this to happen really is beyond my comprehension. In the past I have spoken to guys on dating apps who have talked about young girls and I’ve told them that they really need help! It’s worrying how many depraved individuals are out there. However, there are also as many people who would do whatever they can to protect the innocent and this is what they have to remember. Always look for the good people…the ones who do everything to help. Emma, this was such an incredible insight and I really was not aware of the depths of depravity this scum had stooped to. May karma grab him around the neck and never let go xxx
I will be here 7pm Sunday, not looking forward to this one at all but I know Emma will have the words we will all be shouting at the TV.
Very strong of you Emma to do this so soon after birth. Thank you x
Thank you for covering this, Emma. Also I appreciate no trigger warning. As a survivor myself, I too feel that hearing their stories and learning about the cases they're involved in, is the only way we can give victims a voice. And, of course, to spread awareness and educate others in what the red flags are.
I'm going into this one forewarned as I have heard the case in deep dive documentary previously. But I know I'll learn something I didn't already know.
Much love from Kerry down in Kent ❤
My hat goes off to you for covering this case! Especially after recently giving birth to your beautiful little girl.I was a lost prophets fan when i was around 14 (the shame) and really enjoyed their music at the time, i even saw them in Birmingham when they were supporting linkin park! I can't even listen to any of their music anymore after finding out what this sick, disgusting excuse of a man did. It did bring a little joy to my heart hearing how he got stabbed in jail, i just wish they'd had a chance to finish the job
I just hope all the children involved are finding a way to live a good life ❤ they are brave survivors and deserve nothing but love and positivity in their futures
Thank you for being so consistent with your releases! I can’t afford to do a membership and I no longer get notifications from RUclips when there is a release so I have to search your channel to find the new episode. Thank you!
Good job on this one Emma. I know this was extremely difficult for you to talk about. Totally agree with all your sentiments, as per usual.💛
I totally agree with you Emma on everything you’ve said in this video, as a victim myself in my childhood and now a mother of 4, id like half an hour alone with these people and all the ones that continue to support him!
I (sadly) saw them love when I was 14/15 and he actually came out into the main hall and was talking to lots of girls.
At the time me and my friend ran to him. He kept talking to us and actually invited us backstage but my friends mam was there waiting for us to pick us up.
Lucky for us. Phew! 😊
The fact the judge said that B was being manipulated is outrageous no one could make you want to that to your flesh and blood it's so scary to think there's people out there like that to do what they did I can't even imagine it let alone understand what went on with these beautiful innocent trusting little souls , he was born and grew up a mile or so from where I live and it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach to think someone like him exists 😠
My prayers and thoughts are with everyone involved, I hope he rots in HELL in this life and the next . Thank you Emma for covering this God bless 🌼
Thank you for not pulling your punches with the content here. It’s been horrific to listen to the heinous acts that took place and the content of messages. My mind doesn’t naturally go into the dark detail so it’s helped to really highlight the extreme nature of what took place. This has been an emotional and harrowing listen that I do not wish to repeat but do not regret. I cannot comprehend the depravity and evil some people are capable of. Truly shocking.
As a mom of a 5 month old, this is unbearable to listen too.. but people need to be aware of the level of depravity out there, to keep our precious ones safe. Hope these 3 rot in hell and pray for the little ones recovery 🙏
I am currently pregnant and have a precious 3 year old boy - this is making me sick to my stomach. I almost broke down listening to it. I am so sad my babies have to grow up in a world where people like this exist.
Can't wait for this one. I've not watched anyone else yet as I wanted to hear Emma's first.
Also can't wait for her take on Lucy Letby
Omg the details into Licy Lerby shall be interesting down to the pyscology of her living over looking a babies graveyard! How sick!!!!😮😢
@@poetrymotion2027I’d say that it’s either a synchronicity, or she’s a necropaedophile.
Oooof... This is a tough one, Emma. Thank you for going there.
I know it broke parts of you along the way but these babies deserve nothing but dignity and support and you delivered beautifully.
Thank you for taking one for the team🕊️❤️🩹🕊️
What a super creepy case to cover. Looking forward to hearing your psychological take on this awful case. Thanks Emma…you’re the best! Love your channel ❣️
Due to 6 degrees of separation, I know that his band mates were in the dark , they knew of the drug use and the band did really struggle trying to keep him clean and dealing with him under the influence was hellish for them and babysitting a full grown adult was difficult , especially when touring and recording
Bands do not exist around each other 24/7 , they need time away !
I think this may be one of the worst cases I’ve heard about! He is the highest level of monstrous predator out there! Thank you for doing such an amazing job as always of giving the victims, those little infants, a level of legacy xx
I don't get why these women get to remain anonymous
To protect the identity of the victims. If their Mothers are revealed then it identifies the children.
Yeah it's so the kids don't find out which is definitely fair, but they shouldn't have had any kids in the first place, and they should face major backlash for being such disgusting rats.
I have watched so many of your videos and the horrors they involve but wow this is on a whole new level of disgusting!! As a mum myself I can't wrap my head around it let alone as a normal human it just doesn't make sense to me at all!! I honestly don't know how you managed this case at all!! You are amazing Emma!! I thank you for dedication to us all who watch you!!
Your daughter has just been born in 1977. You have powers you have kept secret from us Emms! x
Help me understand this please!!
@EmilyBirks-gw1pz she mentions that Watkins has the same birth day as her daughter, obviously not the same year but the same day
My most potent nightmares could not have prepared me for this. I remember when the news broke, I was working in a bar in Paris. My colleague was a LP fan and had them on the bar playlist which she deleted the second she heard what had happened. I cannot get my head around these mothers and I don't want to.
This is shocking!! Parents harming their own children in this way is one of the worst and disgusting things I’ve ever heard 😢 the fact these kinda people exist scares the hell out of me!!!
Emma these monsters who have been blessed to be mothers are just as complicit!! As a social worker who has worked in child protection for 20+ years the capacity of human deviant behaviour continues to know no bounds! Thank you for covering this case and being informative, even though it’s disturbing content x
This is going to be a difficult one to watch. I remember when this case was in the news and being disgusted by the part the victims mothers had to play in it too. I have been trying to brace myself for this for a while though, as I recall several people requesting this case during some of the recent live chats.
I always smile when I get on your podcast. You bring joy! I only watch you or Annie Elise when it comes to true crime. Thanks for your humor 😅
And fun fact about Ted Bundy. He volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline and he would walk out the females to their cars when they were leaving and it was dark so they would feel safe. And he genuinely cares for his female coworkers. The author Anne Rule worked with him at that hotline and he would walk her to her car every night.
Probably gave him some type of sick feeling to know that they didn't know the danger was with them
@@aflawedhuman2046 Possibly. But he did genuinely care for his coworkers at that hotline. He did say he liked that he was protecting them from him and they didn't know it. However he did do chivalrous actions. He wasn't a monster 100% of the time. I know he did say he valued Ann Rule as a dear friend.
@@melodycannon9808I’m gonna stick my neck out here and say - he was 100% a f**ker
In plain sight. Common trait
As one of far too many that have experienced such abuse, I want to say thank you so much for pointing out that looking at CP images IS ABUSE too. It doesn't just make a demand for the production, it is horrifyingly haunting to a victim.
Having to wonder who has seen it or if at any given moment someone is getting off to the pain they suffered.
Those thoughts are horribly traumatic and they follow a victim. There is nothing like being out, getting looked at a certain way and automatically thinking, "Do they know? Have they seen me?" Or randomly, or while starting to be intimate, wondering if someone right that second is watching your abuse and enjoying it.
It adds a layer on top of the abuse that was done to make it. It adds invisible monsters you don't recognize, anyone could be someone that found pleasure in your pain.
Too many people think it isn't as bad. But in ways it makes it even worse.
as someone who was a big fan as a teen and saw them live this case always hits home. for years there was rumours he liked teen girls and that he was doing things with underage fans of his. tbh when he was arrested and it broke i thought it was all for the underage fans situations and then the story just got worse and worse. he’s such a evil creature. honestly makes me sick. looking back now at interviews he did in kerrang magazine you can sort of read between the lines of the things he was bragging about. makes my blood go cold.
Thanks for covering this case Emma, please remember to take care of yourself as I can imagine it was pretty harrowing having to tell all of this . I’m seeing you in November for your serial killer talk and I can’t wait!
Hi Emma, I've been wanting to ask you a question... so Suzanne Cappers case traumatised me and I believe it was because of the group mentality and how no one in that awful group had the balls to step up and say they've went too far, it infuriated me and I lost 2 nights of sleep thinking about it. is there any cases that you've found too hard to work on or cover? I know you've done loads but does any stick out? love your channel, and the effort you put into it, keep doing what you're doing 🧡
Omg, same... I watch, listen and read nothing but true crime and the Suzanne capper case brought me to tears. I'm so desensitised to these horrific stories but that one just hit me in a different way. The other 2 cases are the baby Brianna and the Junko Furuta. There are more but these two stand out xxx
Yeah, and Sebastian Kalinowski (15 years old). And Timothy Ferguson and and and
Who else wants the police interview w/ Watkins made public? First time I actually wanted to see some police brutality. Sick!
Hi Emma your looking good girlie x just love hearing your take on all these cases , sitting down with a cuppa and slippers and riveted as usual to your content, anyone who does what he did makes me feel ill but its imperative that this type of crime against children /babies omg, has to be out in the open so it can tackled accordingly and the perpetrators bought to book, thankyou as always for all your hard work ,your a star and a warrior ,love from south London x
i am halfway through and my blood is boiling to what was done to these babes ,lucky he is locked up because most of us out here the things we would do to the people who did this , no excuse for this behaviour none ,evil beyond words, this is horrendous i weep for those babies Jesus wept omg x
These kind of cases are when the UK needs to seriously consider the death penalty. This is absolutely inexplicable.
When the DP is a possibility in CSO cases, it massively raises the potential that the offender will mrdr their victims - because that removes any witness and gives the offender nothing to lose - it would be no different punishment wise. That's why most countries don't do DP for child SOs, FYI.
This is gonna be a good one,one Evil Man,also the Mothers of kids who helped .Way out there
And as I recall, the mothers were able to keep anonymity. They are criminals!
The Ian Watkins case hit me really hard. I was a fan of The Lost Prophets - I even saw them at Leeds Festival. When i heard that Watkins had been accused of sexual abuse of a child , i was hoping it was just a malicious rumour, but when the full facts came out , there was no doubt in my mind he was guilty . This is the first time I've heard the full extent of Watkins crimes, and honestly, I hope he burns in hell for what he did. Also, what you mentioned about virtue pedophiles , my friend - who lived in Australia had told me he knew someone who ran a self-help group for them, and that they fully recognise what they're thinking is wrong and that they want to prevent themselves from acting on that urge .
R Kelly was nearly the same. Haven't watched in a while, opened up some wounds but glad I did! You do a great job!!!
I think this is much worse as it involves little babies, it's another level of f'd up
This case genuinely makes you feel sick to the stomach. You've done absolutely amazing making this video about this sickening p*rve*t. Even makes you think bsck to the video of a song they had out called Town of hypocrisy and the theme behind the video was children's TV presenters then the dark side behind the cameras. That should have been alarm bells ringing.
1:00:58 there is no way that the band mates didn’t have some kind of idea of his predatory personality when there are under age girls backstage etc, I feel like they would have witnessed something!
“B” was a girl I knew. It wasn’t until my friend and I handed her camera to the police that I realised she was trying to groom me for Ian. I had a daughter just a couple of months older than her son. She started reaching out to me wanting other local mum friends that were also “in the scene” (meaning the music and style we adapted to at the time for those who aren’t millennials). I still think about this case every single day and what could have happened to me and my daughter if it wasn’t for the fact that I found the girl really uncomfortable to be around and that I found Ian gross. I could talk about this case forever.
What?! Really omg
Plz do, spill her name PLEASE, or at least tell me more details on what she was like.
Ahh Cassette tapes were the bane of my musical enjoyment. In my opinion there were no "Mothers" involved in this despicable episode other than you Emma and all of us who watch your videos. The images of what these babies went through is the food of nightmares. Kudos to the judge for saying it plain. 10 months old and you, mommy dearest, are taking part in this horror, you are worse than this despicable being, rock star animal. Justice Royce was bang on! I pray he doesn't suffer PTSD having to have heard this case. The women should be boiled in oil not given a short sentence! They sure as hell don't deserve it! Damn but I wish Judges could order some people IE P and B be neutered. Wild animals would not harm their babies but these so called humans thought he is just so cute. SO ARE CHILDREN!
I’ve been dying to hear your views, opinions, analysis and sarcasm on this one. I bet it’ll be a fantastic episode, what an absolute disgusting excuse for a human being that “man” is. Can’t wait for this one emma x
Thank you for covering this. I was a massive fan of Lostprophets when I was a kid and my heart was genuinely broken when the accusations came out. I read the case files not long after he was convicted and I genuinely felt sick reading them. He's an absolute monster and I'm beyond angry he managed to survive the recent incident in prison.
I'm a musician, been in several bands, YET never heard one Lost Prophets song. And none of my many music friends have. Something must have repelled us!!!!! THANK GOD HE WAS STOPPED. But those mothers are free. Yikes
The mothers, thankfully, were both sentenced to prison too. Their sentences were lenient to say the least, given the beyond horrendous crime. Don't know if they are still in prison or paroled.
This broke my heart when I heard about him because I was obsessed with lost prophets and saw them live a few times 😢 absolutely sickened
When Emma talks of the death threats she received, i was unsurprised because outside of even this case, people can sometimes so idolise a person, that they will not accept that maybe that person isn't great. And feel the need to over defend someone they don't even know
It's the same I the US with Chris Watts who killed his family, he has lots of female "fans" who believe he is innocent. You couldn't make it up!
Death threats have become an everyday thing here in the US. It never used to be this way but, in the last several years it has ramped up. It is so sad. I just don't understand why people do that.
@@DianeLake-sw3ymAmerican society decaying into Idiocracy due in part to extreme polarization and wealth disparity. Not that other countries are not in similar situations
I’ve never heard of this story. It made me literally sick to my stomach. I can’t believe the short sentences they all got.
Looking forward to hearing your take on this case Em 🙏
It’s truly crazy to think I saw him in London on the first UK warped tour in 2012. Absolutely disgusting and I do feel slightly sorry for the other band members
Oh this will be a hard watch….
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Came to the comments to say the same. My daughter loved this band when she was younger it scares me think what could have happened if they crossed paths 😢
Currently on my 3rd try and usually I’m not too affected if you know what I mean?
Did he nonce you? He's horrid isn't he
@@dailyspongeASMRYou Trying to be funny ? About did he Nonce ya? Wtf do u mean by that? Why u wording it like that? Always some freak in the comment section get of her channel
While this was a very difficult watch, I agree with Emma people do need to watch this. Well done and thank you for putting all this horrific information in an articulate and respecful way.
My friend met him while she was doing an internship at kerrang. She said he gave weird vibes and took a suspiciously long time in the bathroom. It was in the time of the really vile crimes so after it all came out she was always wondering.
This gives off Jimmy Saville vibes where the whole police department who were advised nefarious things were happening to children and they just turned a blind eye, luckily we didn't have to wait for him to die when all this came out, it still went on far longer than it ever should have 😢
Saville was protected at the highest level because he wasn't alone in his activities, it came out after his death because dead people don't talk , a shitebag like saville would've sang like a canary x