Great, thorough, and really well done video, Howard. Thanks you. I’d give the both CZ P01 and all the Sig loads a solid A+. I missed the the premier, due to field stripping, cleaning, inspecting a lubricating my Sig P226, which I will have at the range in an hour or so (BIG smile). It’s an outstanding service-sized autoloader, originally chambered in .357 Sig, but now in .40 S&W with a Bar-Sto barrel. Yeah, it’s not a 9x19mm, polymer frame, striker fired autoloader, rather it’s traditional DA/SA in .40 - shame on me -but with many thousands of rounds fired it has NEVER failed and it’s darn accurate.
Check out the underwood .357 sig ammunition. Some of that stuff reaches over 2000 fps and goes through level 3A soft body armor like a hot knife through butter. Trust me, it’s at least worth a look
Hey for your California stage drill, should you not have shot 10 rounds and then reloaded --NO high (standard cap) caps allowed???? :) Then let the target go on no bail??
The box says 985 ft per second on those 147 grain vcrowns. I know that number isn't exactly absolute but seeing almost 20% higher speeds does not seem likely. All the Vcrown tests I have seen have been consistently impressive on expansion and accuracy (usually them or speer gold dots are the winners), but the nice thing about the sigs in particular is that they are abnormally cheap compared to basically all the other HP ammos I see on top of being a top performer.
985 FPS is more what I would expect from that load. As I mentioned in the video, I am really beginning to suspect my chronograph's accuracy. That aside, I agree the Sig ammo is pretty impressive!
Thank You for the video. The 147gr is the proper bullet weight for the 9mm JHP's, in the same way for the .45ACP using the 230gr JHP load. Both of these diameter- bullet weight combo has a Sectional Density of 0.16, which more likely yield deeper penetration against 10% calibrated ordnance gelatin than lighter bullet weights of each respective calibers.
Check out the underwood extreme defender +p lite for caliber offerings. Not only are they more barrier blind than the other poplar brands, they penetrate level 3A soft body armor. All while still leaving a hp type wound track and achieving the desired 12-18” penetration. Check them out, they are no gimmick
Literally searched through your videos to find this intro, I really dig the music. Im 29 but knowing you were in the Corps in the 80's its just so fitting lol, with the video sequence its good sh!t sir 😁
Thank you! That music was composed and recorded by my son. He’s close to your age, but musically he’s a throwback to the 80’s. I love listening to his music too. Thanks for watching (and listening!)
Hi I enjoy your videos. Thank you for your Service. I purchased 3 Tisas :45 GI, the expensive model SS and the 10mm two tone. The quality in all are great. I also have a $1800 Dan Wesson 45. 1911. All 4 of these shot very , the quality well no complaints. I am a retired tool and die/ machinist so I’m no stranger to tooling.
Thanks hrfunk. I've used the 115gr and 124gr in Walther PPS M2, CZ P10-C and Springfield XDM Elite, all 9mm. Have not tried the 147 but I'm not surprised that pushing the heavier bullet makes a softer shooter. From rifle shooting different weights of .308 in a bolt gun and .223/5.56 in a gas gun, I've felt how the heavier bullet is a softer recoil impulse. Small 9mm handgun + 115gr projectile is like 55gr in an AR-15 that is overgassed. There's more energy there than is needed to push that smaller/lighter projectile. So it's more snappy in the recoil impulse. The same AR fed 62, 69, 77 gr will feel smoother as you get to a better balance between gas delivery system and projectile weight/cartridge hotness. The V-Crown projectile seems inclined to balk at dirty or unsmooth feed ramps, probably because of the ledges in that open crown. It's always run well in my 3 handguns, but the Walther gets picky if the feed ramp is sooty.
I think this SIG ammo is made by Sierra Bullets , known for High Quality at a good price ! They are in the same city as Starline brass , I have no idea who makes the brass ?? Sedalia Missouri .
I have been really enjoying your content, and I also wanted to say thank you for being interactive with your viewers. Thank you for protecting your community!
So, Czech police use in CZ 75D Compact, similar pistol like P01, two types of ammo. First is Sellier & Bellot with HS projectile of weight 100 gr/6,5 g and ammo Ruag, with projectile Action 5, weight 94 gr/6,1 grams
@@hrfunk 6.5 grams is 100 grains and 6.1 grams is 94 grains. Although the missiles have a similar weight, so fly 420m / s for Action 5, which is at the level of +P+ ammunition
Hey hr! Very kind of you to do a thorough firearm test for a fellow firearm owner. I sure love the feel of the CZ P01, just hesitant to purchase because the $$$
P-01 (I have the Omega) not the cheapest pistol, and you may want to add the Cajun Gunworks trigger and some LOK grips -- but wow the ergonomics are great. Especially (IMO) muzzle flip seems very low and manageable for follw-up shots. Now, if only I could shoot like hrfunk!
Man this video makes me wanna get my p01 out the safe and shoot it. My cz 75’s are some of the most accurate shooting handguns I own, maybe only second to my 1911 or 5” walthers. Recently I’ve switched from +p 124g gold dot and hst to underwood 68g +p extreme defender for my 9mm’s. Not only is it a noticeably big difference in weight savings, those rounds actually perform better through barriers and denim consistently. They travel at 1800 fps and penetrate level 3A soft body armor which no sig, federal, or Speer ammunition can do. Might be worth a look in the future if it permits. Believe me, I wasn’t a believer in this “gimmick” ammunition until I seen enough videos and did my own testing. The lite for caliber underwood extreme defenders are a beast of a round and worth a look for anyone interested. Although I haven’t tested them in my p01 yet. I would send you a couple hundred rounds to test but at around $30 for a box of 20 I can’t afford it lol. It is on sale right now though, but still quite expensive. Worth every penny. Great video as always HR
@@DanTheWolfman tissue elasticity, hemorrhage, and edema are the factors influencing cavity collapse. All structures in the bullets path are destroyed and/or pushed aside. The flutes or whatever you wanna call them on the Lehigh bullet that underwood uses causes the same or similar disruption in tissue (permanent/temporary wound cavity) as traditional hollow points without the potential short comings that hollow points pose. Water jugs are fun but offer really no data other than how many it will penetrate, and unless you’re shooting Kool-Aid man it doesn’t matter. Yes, people aren’t made of gelatin but those gel test are made to represent a consisted test media for comparison. You need a base for testing and that’s what it is whether we like it or not. I like the test that use 4 layers of denim and pork ribs in front of the ballistics gel because that’s a little more realistic to a two legged predator. MAC did a pretty good test review on the underwood 9mm 90g+p xtreme defender ammo years ago that was quite impressive. So i conducted my own test and got pretty much the same results through a number or barriers and such. Also iraqveteran8888 did some testing through auto glass and other hard barriers which also mimicked my own testing. Everything I’ve said is pretty common knowledge, but people might wanna research these rounds before the write them off as “gimmick” ammunition. Now on the other hand ammunition like civil defense is in my opinion “gimmick” ammunition because while it’s going 2000+ fps and can penetrate level 3A soft body armor it loses its jacket and only a small piece of the base makes it through the total penetration. Other than law enforcement being stuck in their old ways and not being fast to adopt a new bullet design I feel cost is the main reason why underwood ammunition is not adopted as duty ammunition. I’ve seen hollow points from federal, sig, and Speer plug or deform going through test media on several occasions essentially becoming a full metal jacket ball round. I have not seen that with Lehigh bullets at all with the exception of bullet deformation through some of the harder surfaces but it still performs as intended.
@@protectiverailroaddad7541 lol...human tissue doesn't tear under 2200 fps and all tissues don't tear until 2600 fos. New? Lol....Devil owner says no. Gel means shit in this regard...or militaries and big game hunters would be all over it wouldnt it work better at rifle velocities. Lol so dum6. U know better than all LE agencies and militaries on the planet.....oh...water splash at less ft lbs of energy than falling over oh no....bahahahaahahah
I carry a CZ P01 everyday. I usually carry Speer 124gr. Gold Dots, but have used Sig 115gr and 124gr. V-Crown. I am very impressed with the Sig V-Crown ammo.
Those 124 grain rounds sound MEAN! Also the Sig Elite VCrown in 124 grain is my go to EDC round.. have also taken many wild hogs with that round as well.
@@hrfunk : Yes, you showed that the 147 grain Elite Defenders were really impressive, highly accurate, to the point that I want to buy some to try myself :)
124 plus p is usually the way to go in 9mm IMO to get actual uniform expansion after going through bone/wood (and if u did use 147 should only be 4" or longer IMO)
Morning HR. My CZ 75 compact does quite good with Hornady 135 gr. Critical Duty. Sort of a compromise between 125 and 147 for velocity and penetration. I noticed that the sig ammo looks kind of smokey. How dirty was your gun after testing? I am subscribed and have notification set for your channel. Only get notified about half the time for your videos. You Tube really doesn't like you.
Ha ha! I seem to be in RUclips's doghouse. After shooting all 120 rounds, my pistol was not very dirty at all. The smoke doesn't seem to have had corresponding residue.
I experienced a magazine functioning issue with my new P-01 Omega loaded with Hornady Critical Duty. The tip of one of the bullets got caught in a hole for the mag release button. Being double stacked, the tips of the bullets can rub along the inside of the mag and when one gets stuck in the hole your done. I ordered after market mags from CZ Custom and they seem better quality. Not yet tested
I have seen some issues of incompatibility between certain ammunition and certain handguns in the past. In those cases, the issue goes away when the ammo is changed. This underscores the importance of of testing your preferred defensive load.
Groo here Brian,,, Shoot what the gun likes, not what you like .. Also oil or grease heavy till broken in. I have a CZ75 PCR , once broken in it eats most anything. Remember these guns are made to shoot NATO spec not US down loaded ones so need some rounds to smooth out the action
The only ammo I've ever used that didn't function in the P01 were my own handloads. As you mentioned, I suspect the problem is I didn't load them hot enough to mimic NATO spec loads.
So I leant my CZ PCR (very similar to P01 which I also have) to a friend & guntuber like yourself for review. At the time the pistol was fairly new…I think I fired 100-200 rounds before he did, but he reported some strange malfunctions with Sig Elite HP ammo. Lookup Texas Gun Vault PCR for the video I am referencing. I shot a variety of hp ammo after his review, including Sig Elite with V crown, and never had any issues. I can only suspect it was a break-in issue. Anyways just thought I’d share another data point. I collect the classic CZs and have many. The Rami requires the most maintenance as it’s recommended to change the factory recoil spring every 1k rounds or so for carry/duty use.
Being a new reloader for the past year mainly 9 mm target loads approximately 5,000 rounds reloaded and 38 Special wad cutters approximately 500 rounds so far Reloaded and using my Caldwell G2 chronograph I like the way you presented your testing and I'm going to set up the same procedure for testing my ammo. I have been documenting all my reloading formulas and results so far. As far as defensive ammo for my Walther PPQ 9 mm SC I am happy with the spear Gold Dot 9 mm plus p 124 grain HP and for my Smith & Wesson model 36 Chief Special I like my reloads for both Target and self-defense using Hornady hbwc bullets at 750 ft per second. Thank you for the excellent video.
I love my P01 & my sp01 both fantastic guns . Both shoot great neither have had any malfunctions. Hands down the most reliable semi autos I have ! Yes that includes my Glocks . I’ve ran all kinds of ammo without a glitch .
HR, great video. The ammo did fine and you used my gun too. I have had the P-01 since right after they came out. That trigger is well worn in by now. It is one of the most accurate guns I have. I feel like they made this gun for my hand. Interesting the 147gr ammo seemed to get the best groups. I roll my own ammo and use Hornady XTP HP 147gr bullets. My gun loves this weight as well. Even if your chrono may be off some, if you get 900 fps or better with a 147gr bullet you have some strong medicine for defense. Good video and thanks for testing my gun with that Vcrown ammo! CZs don;t always get a lot of love but they are solid guns. They tend to follow me home.
Chief I have a CZ75D Compact impressed with the little pistol. Great CCW option in cal. 9MM. I consider it a far better option to the GLOCK (I have a Glock 19 Gen 5 9mm). Not a big GLOCK fan but obviously own one, not a bad weapon (Glock) as they are exceedingly popular for a reason, just favor other designs more. The CZ also feels better in the hand for me.
I actually keep my P01 as my bedside pistol. It's drop-dead reliable, very accurate, and I figure the first shot D/A trigger is a good safety feature for a half-awake grab when things go bump in the night.
Hi Chief! It’s been a while. I spoke to a CZ tech today, and he said 147 grain Sig V Crown is what he uses in his factory barrel. He explained that the barrel throat can cause some brands to choke, and they could open the throat at no charge if someone is having issues. The tech did say that accuracy could fall off with the larger throat, but it’s a matter of 1-2mm. Hope you’re doing well!
Thanks Frank, I’m doing great! Based upon my little experiment in the video, it seems that my P01 likes the V-Crown bullets just fine. The 147 grain variety was also very accurate.
@@hrfunk I just read that CA said it was a security breach. Having dealt with the CA DOJ I'm of the opinion that they lie from time to time. It took me over 9 months to get approved to buy a Ruger 10./22. I had to get a 2A lawyer to get the thing. I have a bias about them.
@@hrfunk Dunno. I think that the narrative/story is going to change later today or tomorrow. Some bulldog 2A attorneys in CA are looking into it. I like attorneys that hate everybody. LOL
That ammo seems pretty legit. Even if the chrono is off a little, it's clear they made that ammo to work well in 4" barrels. I've been looking into getting a P-01 or some other CZ75 model, just haven't made up my mind. I'm becoming a big fan of all metal pistols.
I'd go with the P01 because it's a fantastic carry gun and still feels like a 75 when you shoot it. The SP01 would be a great option too if you don't mind the size.
@@nickloven6728 Yeah the more I see it, the more I like the P01... I liked the full sized 75BD because it looks a little like a Browning Hi Power and I've been wanting a browning for years.
@@bradylangley113 Yes I like that model as well. For something a bit on the smaller side, I'd probably have less need for a light anyway as I have larger pistols with lights already. Still mulling it over.
I just picked up a P01 today, and ran about 130 rounds through it, including a mag of my defense ammo, Sig 124 gr JHP. For me, it is amazing shooting, especially coming from a Glock 19. And it's handles well, shoots smooth, and recoil like nothing.
Back when I shot PPC, I used a custom S&W 3rd generation 9mm in the Auto event, as did several other competitors. We all settled on the 147 grain bullet as the accuracy champ, especially out at 50 yards. Early 147 grain police duty loads had problems with expansion and were prone to over-penetrate, but this was fixed some time ago. Nowadays I don't think you can go wrong with a good 147 JHP from a major manufacturer assuming you are running a 4 inch barrel or longer. They still offer acceptable performance in shorter barrels but I tend to chose 124's in the smaller guns because some of them have occasional reliability problems with the 147's greater overall length. As for your chronograph, I'd be skeptical of those higher numbers you got with the 147's, especially that you perceived them as being a softer shooting load. Had you actually fired 147's at velocities normally seen in 9mm NATO loads, I think you would have noticed. Alaskan Ballistics channel chronographed this load in four pistols, and got a bit lower than box speeds with his Glock 43 at 956 fps, slightly higher velocities with his HK VP9 at 969 fps, , and with his 5 inch S&W M&P got 1,029 fps average. Surprisingly he got a trifle more from his Glock 19 at 1,031 fps. I've seen some gel tests with the 124 grain version which show variable results on expansion and penetration. Hopefully the 147 might perform a bit more consistently. Of course there are a lot of variables in amateur testing. I doubt a company like SIG would release ammo for sale that did not at least do well on FBI tests.
Thanks Brother! I'll soon have a new lab radar chronograph (a loaner from ERJG) on hand to test the validity of my old Caldwell. I suspect I'm going to find that it's become a bit eccentric over the years. With 9mm ( and .40 S&W too) I tend to stick with the mid-weight loads. I like the 124 9mm's for the very reasons you mentioned. Truthfully, the older I get and the more shooting data I accumulate. the less I convern myself with gel tests and the like. I think the ammunition companies are producing some of the best defensive loads we've ever seen and I don't think there's a great deal of difference in their performance. I've also killed enough animals over the years to value shot placement over magic bullets. Thanks for another great comment an Happy independence Day!
Re. the low hits: I actually LIKE that my defensive ammo hits on the center line of the three dots (or equivalent visibility indicators) on my sights and centering THOSE on my intended point of impact, rather than just above the sights as with a traditional target sight picture. I know that in a defensive situation, I'll be reflexively focusing on the dots, rather than the top of the sight blade.
Could be that the p01 is set for what some call a 'combat hold', meaning what you mentioned. It's made as an easier to conceal duty pistol, so that'd fit the bill. Would be nice to have a table to show what companies zero their models with which hold. I think Sig does the same.
I also had issues with Sig hollow points. I'm not sure what kind they were, but that was years ago and I think they only had one kind then. That's kind of when I decided it was going to be critical defense, since I've never once had an issue with it, in any of my firearms.
Great review. Very well thought out & executed. Appreciate the insight & details. The range demonstration is helpful also. I have to agree that your chronograph isn't reading correctly. I haven't seen 147 grain 9mm over exceed 1100fps even out of 5" barrels. That is just my experience. So I may not be correct. Thank you.
I filmed testing the rare 3rd Gen .45 yesterday with Lone Mountain Ammunition both 185 & 230 grain..pistol shot a little low needed a Combat Hold...5 out of 7 in groups offhand standing were all jagged...though I'm no group shooter and was closer. Not positive how to edit the boring footage maybe just keep the decent comments after shots but eliminate all the aiming and just put the shot breaks then the results but idk. Hard w people's attention spans. Yet you, Harrell, and lionquest seem to be able to hold people's attention by being slow and thorough.
It's definitely a balancing test. I was worried with today's video that the shooting footage dragged on a little too long. Hopefully everyone who watches it will still be entertained as well as informed.
Great video. As always, very articulate and informative. CZ is an outstanding brand, but they missed the mark with the Rami in my opinion. It's a bit smaller than the P01, and marginally lighter. Not much gained for a problematic pistol with no rail. May as well stick with the 01.
The RAMI isn't problematic. Just change the recoil springs ($6.00) every 800+ rounds and it run flawlessly. Accurate shooter. I have both the P01, RAMI and P07. I love all 3, shoot all 3 well but i carry the RAMI more. The mags are the real issue with the RAMI. CZ went with mec-gar mags with the P01. They should have done the same thing with the RAMI. I will admit the whole recoil spring thing is stupid but I just swap them out when I clean the gun. No biggie.
What's the difference between loads , 115 is +/- 1215 fps. , 124 +/- 1150 fps. , 147 +/- 995 fps. considered subsconic . These are rough estimates, the heavier bullet moves slower.
they also cycle the slides at different rates and the overall cartridge length and bullet profiles differ. Sometimes certain firearms will have a preference for particular types of ammo.
@@hrfunk thank you, I didn't know the profile was different, I do think 124 seems more accurate in My Glocks 19 and 45 and Beretta's . I did notice 115 seems to be a brass jacket, where 124 seems to be copper, maybe it gets a better (bite) or twist from the rifling - Lands&grooves , just a thought ? Maybe you could do a video about that subject 😉. Thank you Sir ❤️
You’re most welcome. It would be difficult to produce a video like that due to the myriad types of ammunition and firearm combos available. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that every firearm will tend to have its own preference (even 2 different specimens of the same model might like something different). Usually a little experimentation will help you to find what your model likes best. It sounds as though you’ve already found one type of ammo it likes. Best of luck and thanks for watching!
I don't know what it is about the P01 but i find it to be supremely accurate right out of the box even in the hands of folks who have never shot it before. Even in stock form it's just the right blend of ergonomics, weight, and a very predictable trigger. Sure you can tune it up, but you really don't need to (unless you want to).
Good video, HR. Take a file to that front sight! Lol. I would have liked to know if there was/is a velocity difference from DA to SA. A S&W revolver will see an increase in velocity in SA over DA because the hammer does not "fall" as far during SA shooting. It isn’t much but is is consistent.
Interesting. I’ve never heard of this before. I would just assume if the primer detonates it would project the round the same no matter what. Are you suggesting the primer flash more when hit with a sa hammer? I’m confused here, the hammer falls further in da doesn’t it?
@@protectiverailroaddad7541 It is a proven fact and physics concurs. The hammer falls from two different points on a S&W DA revolver. It isn’t a lot but, it is different. 50-75fps is all but the average will be different.
Great, thorough, and really well done video, Howard. Thanks you. I’d give the both CZ P01 and all the Sig loads a solid A+.
I missed the the premier, due to field stripping, cleaning, inspecting a lubricating my Sig P226, which I will have at the range in an hour or so (BIG smile). It’s an outstanding service-sized autoloader, originally chambered in .357 Sig, but now in .40 S&W with a Bar-Sto barrel. Yeah, it’s not a 9x19mm, polymer frame, striker fired autoloader, rather it’s traditional DA/SA in .40 - shame on me -but with many thousands of rounds fired it has NEVER failed and it’s darn accurate.
Check out the underwood .357 sig ammunition. Some of that stuff reaches over 2000 fps and goes through level 3A soft body armor like a hot knife through butter. Trust me, it’s at least worth a look
Thanks Roy! I hope you have a great time at the range!
Thanks. Very interesting results. I really enjoyed this. It might be time to go shopping.
Hey for your California stage drill, should you not have shot 10 rounds and then reloaded --NO high (standard cap) caps allowed???? :) Then let the target go on no bail??
What was I thinking? I'll keep that in mind for the next time.
The box says 985 ft per second on those 147 grain vcrowns. I know that number isn't exactly absolute but seeing almost 20% higher speeds does not seem likely. All the Vcrown tests I have seen have been consistently impressive on expansion and accuracy (usually them or speer gold dots are the winners), but the nice thing about the sigs in particular is that they are abnormally cheap compared to basically all the other HP ammos I see on top of being a top performer.
985 FPS is more what I would expect from that load. As I mentioned in the video, I am really beginning to suspect my chronograph's accuracy. That aside, I agree the Sig ammo is pretty impressive!
never tried V Crown personally but I may have to! I default to gold dots myself
@@happyhaunter_5546 Ditto!
Just for the record, we never get tired of seeing you shoot.
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Thank You for the video. The 147gr is the proper bullet weight for the 9mm JHP's, in the same way for the .45ACP using the 230gr JHP load. Both of these diameter- bullet weight combo has a Sectional Density of 0.16, which more likely yield deeper penetration against 10% calibrated ordnance gelatin than lighter bullet weights of each respective calibers.
Check out the underwood extreme defender +p lite for caliber offerings. Not only are they more barrier blind than the other poplar brands, they penetrate level 3A soft body armor. All while still leaving a hp type wound track and achieving the desired 12-18” penetration. Check them out, they are no gimmick
For whatever reason, I like to split the difference when it comes to bullet weight for the 9mm. Typically I gravitate toward the 124 grain loads.
Literally searched through your videos to find this intro, I really dig the music. Im 29 but knowing you were in the Corps in the 80's its just so fitting lol, with the video sequence its good sh!t sir 😁
Thank you! That music was composed and recorded by my son. He’s close to your age, but musically he’s a throwback to the 80’s. I love listening to his music too. Thanks for watching (and listening!)
Hi I enjoy your videos. Thank you for your Service. I purchased 3 Tisas :45 GI, the expensive model SS and the 10mm two tone. The quality in all are great. I also have a $1800 Dan Wesson 45. 1911. All 4 of these shot very , the quality well no complaints. I am a retired tool and die/ machinist so I’m no stranger to tooling.
Thanks hrfunk. I've used the 115gr and 124gr in Walther PPS M2, CZ P10-C and Springfield XDM Elite, all 9mm. Have not tried the 147 but I'm not surprised that pushing the heavier bullet makes a softer shooter.
From rifle shooting different weights of .308 in a bolt gun and .223/5.56 in a gas gun, I've felt how the heavier bullet is a softer recoil impulse.
Small 9mm handgun + 115gr projectile is like 55gr in an AR-15 that is overgassed. There's more energy there than is needed to push that smaller/lighter projectile. So it's more snappy in the recoil impulse. The same AR fed 62, 69, 77 gr will feel smoother as you get to a better balance between gas delivery system and projectile weight/cartridge hotness.
The V-Crown projectile seems inclined to balk at dirty or unsmooth feed ramps, probably because of the ledges in that open crown. It's always run well in my 3 handguns, but the Walther gets picky if the feed ramp is sooty.
I think this SIG ammo is made by Sierra Bullets , known for High Quality at a good price ! They are in the same city as Starline brass , I have no idea who makes the brass ?? Sedalia Missouri .
I have been really enjoying your content, and I also wanted to say thank you for being interactive with your viewers. Thank you for protecting your community!
It is my honor and privilege.
So, Czech police use in CZ 75D Compact, similar pistol like P01, two types of ammo. First is Sellier & Bellot with HS projectile of weight 100 gr/6,5 g and ammo Ruag, with projectile Action 5, weight 94 gr/6,1 grams
Those bullets are very light. That sounds more like 380 ACP bullet weights. Any idea what kind of performance the Czech police get with them?
@@hrfunk 6.5 grams is 100 grains and 6.1 grams is 94 grains. Although the missiles have a similar weight, so fly 420m / s for Action 5, which is at the level of +P+ ammunition
I might have to get me some 147 V Crowns and try them out. When I do, I'll run some across the chronograph and post the results here.
Please do. I am already making plans to get another chronograph in order to verify the results I'm getting from my own.
Hey hr! Very kind of you to do a thorough firearm test for a fellow firearm owner. I sure love the feel of the CZ P01, just hesitant to purchase because the $$$
I love the feel of mine too. It had been a while since I shot it, and this video gave me a chance to remember how much I enjoy that little pistol!
P-01 (I have the Omega) not the cheapest pistol, and you may want to add the Cajun Gunworks trigger and some LOK grips -- but wow the ergonomics are great. Especially (IMO) muzzle flip seems very low and manageable for follw-up shots. Now, if only I could shoot like hrfunk!
Man this video makes me wanna get my p01 out the safe and shoot it. My cz 75’s are some of the most accurate shooting handguns I own, maybe only second to my 1911 or 5” walthers. Recently I’ve switched from +p 124g gold dot and hst to underwood 68g +p extreme defender for my 9mm’s. Not only is it a noticeably big difference in weight savings, those rounds actually perform better through barriers and denim consistently. They travel at 1800 fps and penetrate level 3A soft body armor which no sig, federal, or Speer ammunition can do. Might be worth a look in the future if it permits. Believe me, I wasn’t a believer in this “gimmick” ammunition until I seen enough videos and did my own testing. The lite for caliber underwood extreme defenders are a beast of a round and worth a look for anyone interested. Although I haven’t tested them in my p01 yet. I would send you a couple hundred rounds to test but at around $30 for a box of 20 I can’t afford it lol. It is on sale right now though, but still quite expensive. Worth every penny. Great video as always HR
Lol snake oil...but the mostly water gel tears and water jugs splash...so what? That's not living tissue that comes back in microseconds
@@DanTheWolfman tissue elasticity, hemorrhage, and edema are the factors influencing cavity collapse. All structures in the bullets path are destroyed and/or pushed aside. The flutes or whatever you wanna call them on the Lehigh bullet that underwood uses causes the same or similar disruption in tissue (permanent/temporary wound cavity) as traditional hollow points without the potential short comings that hollow points pose. Water jugs are fun but offer really no data other than how many it will penetrate, and unless you’re shooting Kool-Aid man it doesn’t matter. Yes, people aren’t made of gelatin but those gel test are made to represent a consisted test media for comparison. You need a base for testing and that’s what it is whether we like it or not. I like the test that use 4 layers of denim and pork ribs in front of the ballistics gel because that’s a little more realistic to a two legged predator. MAC did a pretty good test review on the underwood 9mm 90g+p xtreme defender ammo years ago that was quite impressive. So i conducted my own test and got pretty much the same results through a number or barriers and such. Also iraqveteran8888 did some testing through auto glass and other hard barriers which also mimicked my own testing. Everything I’ve said is pretty common knowledge, but people might wanna research these rounds before the write them off as “gimmick” ammunition. Now on the other hand ammunition like civil defense is in my opinion “gimmick” ammunition because while it’s going 2000+ fps and can penetrate level 3A soft body armor it loses its jacket and only a small piece of the base makes it through the total penetration. Other than law enforcement being stuck in their old ways and not being fast to adopt a new bullet design I feel cost is the main reason why underwood ammunition is not adopted as duty ammunition. I’ve seen hollow points from federal, sig, and Speer plug or deform going through test media on several occasions essentially becoming a full metal jacket ball round. I have not seen that with Lehigh bullets at all with the exception of bullet deformation through some of the harder surfaces but it still performs as intended.
@@DanTheWolfman sorry for the short novel lol
Thank you!
@@protectiverailroaddad7541 lol...human tissue doesn't tear under 2200 fps and all tissues don't tear until 2600 fos. New? Lol....Devil owner says no. Gel means shit in this regard...or militaries and big game hunters would be all over it wouldnt it work better at rifle velocities. Lol so dum6. U know better than all LE agencies and militaries on the planet.....oh...water splash at less ft lbs of energy than falling over oh no....bahahahaahahah
Very impressive performance out of the Sig Ammo and the CZ PO1! Great video HR! Changed my mind about the CZ just being average.
That was a great test. You really do a good job of testing ammo and firearms. Thanks 👍👍
You're welcome Lance! I did that for years for my police department, I'm happy to be able to do it here now!
Looks like a nice defensive round. Thanks for the video and have a great day.
Thanks, you too!
As of late June 2022, PSA has a CZ P-01 in stock. Price per unit: $749.99.
I don't remember how much I paid for mine, but I know it was on sale for a pretty reasonable price. That price from PSA sounds a little steep to me.
Thanks HR. A really practical comparison video. Unrelated, My CZ P07 is in my top five carry compact 9's.
You’re welcome Michael. Thanks for watching!
Have a PO-7...but would prefer the PO1 compact.
I carry a CZ P01 everyday. I usually carry Speer 124gr. Gold Dots, but have used Sig 115gr and 124gr. V-Crown. I am very impressed with the Sig V-Crown ammo.
That’s the same ammo I keep loaded in mine.
Those 124 grain rounds sound MEAN! Also the Sig Elite VCrown in 124 grain is my go to EDC round.. have also taken many wild hogs with that round as well.
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@@hrfunk not your fault brother. I report every single one I see! I’m sorry you have to deal with this nonsense.
Thank you for the detailed video.
I have never thought that the 147 grains ammo performed that well. I shoot mostly 115 and 124 grains.
In 9 mm, I prefer the 124 grain loads too. Although, those 147 grain Elite Defenders were pretty impressive.
@@hrfunk : Yes, you showed that the 147 grain Elite Defenders were really impressive, highly accurate, to the point that I want to buy some to try myself :)
124 plus p is usually the way to go in 9mm IMO to get actual uniform expansion after going through bone/wood (and if u did use 147 should only be 4" or longer IMO)
In 9mm, I generally prefer the 124 grain loads, especially in standard pressure ammo. Thanks for the comment Dan!
Morning HR.
My CZ 75 compact does quite good with Hornady 135 gr. Critical Duty. Sort of a compromise between 125 and 147 for velocity and penetration. I noticed that the sig ammo looks kind of smokey. How dirty was your gun after testing?
I am subscribed and have notification set for your channel. Only get notified about half the time for your videos. You Tube really doesn't like you.
Ha ha! I seem to be in RUclips's doghouse. After shooting all 120 rounds, my pistol was not very dirty at all. The smoke doesn't seem to have had corresponding residue.
I also have the Sig 9MM ammunition and trust it’s performance , it’s very good brass to reload thanks HR
Great job! That's really worth testing cause some of the smaller CZs don't like 1-2 brands. If one is interested it should be in the CZ US forums.
I experienced a magazine functioning issue with my new P-01 Omega loaded with Hornady Critical Duty. The tip of one of the bullets got caught in a hole for the mag release button. Being double stacked, the tips of the bullets can rub along the inside of the mag and when one gets stuck in the hole your done. I ordered after market mags from CZ Custom and they seem better quality. Not yet tested
I have seen some issues of incompatibility between certain ammunition and certain handguns in the past. In those cases, the issue goes away when the ammo is changed. This underscores the importance of of testing your preferred defensive load.
Get your hands on the Sig M17 load. 124gr +P. Great load.
I’m a CZ fan!!! I have the P01 Omega from their custom shop and the P10C! They are absolutely fantastic pistols
Groo here
Brian,,, Shoot what the gun likes, not what you like ..
Also oil or grease heavy till broken in.
I have a CZ75 PCR , once broken in it eats most anything.
Remember these guns are made to shoot NATO spec not US down loaded ones so need some rounds to smooth out the action
The only ammo I've ever used that didn't function in the P01 were my own handloads. As you mentioned, I suspect the problem is I didn't load them hot enough to mimic NATO spec loads.
So I leant my CZ PCR (very similar to P01 which I also have) to a friend & guntuber like yourself for review. At the time the pistol was fairly new…I think I fired 100-200 rounds before he did, but he reported some strange malfunctions with Sig Elite HP ammo. Lookup Texas Gun Vault PCR for the video I am referencing.
I shot a variety of hp ammo after his review, including Sig Elite with V crown, and never had any issues. I can only suspect it was a break-in issue.
Anyways just thought I’d share another data point. I collect the classic CZs and have many. The Rami requires the most maintenance as it’s recommended to change the factory recoil spring every 1k rounds or so for carry/duty use.
I was not aware of that recommendation. Thanks for the info!
Those 25 yard shots, bless your heart.
Hey! Doesn’t that phrase have a secret meaning?
@@hrfunk don’t fret none. The Shadow 2 will remedy the situation for y’all.
Being a new reloader for the past year mainly 9 mm target loads approximately 5,000 rounds reloaded and 38 Special wad cutters approximately 500 rounds so far Reloaded and using my Caldwell G2 chronograph I like the way you presented your testing and I'm going to set up the same procedure for testing my ammo. I have been documenting all my reloading formulas and results so far. As far as defensive ammo for my Walther PPQ 9 mm SC I am happy with the spear Gold Dot 9 mm plus p 124 grain HP and for my Smith & Wesson model 36 Chief Special I like my reloads for both Target and self-defense using Hornady hbwc bullets at 750 ft per second. Thank you for the excellent video.
You’re welcome! Keeping good notes and analyzing the performance of your handloads will help tremendously.
I love my P01 & my sp01 both fantastic guns . Both shoot great neither have had any malfunctions. Hands down the most reliable semi autos I have ! Yes that includes my Glocks . I’ve ran all kinds of ammo without a glitch .
Also the 124vcrown I've tested between 1140 1180 I guess it also depends on batch where it's made
Very nice testing. I've used the Sig V-Crown in both .380 and .40 S&W, but not 9mm. I'll have to pick some up.
HR, great video. The ammo did fine and you used my gun too. I have had the P-01 since right after they came out. That trigger is well worn in by now. It is one of the most accurate guns I have. I feel like they made this gun for my hand. Interesting the 147gr ammo seemed to get the best groups. I roll my own ammo and use Hornady XTP HP 147gr bullets. My gun loves this weight as well. Even if your chrono may be off some, if you get 900 fps or better with a 147gr bullet you have some strong medicine for defense.
Good video and thanks for testing my gun with that Vcrown ammo! CZs don;t always get a lot of love but they are solid guns. They tend to follow me home.
Yes they are! I love my P01 too! I am glad you like yours as well. Thanks for watching!
Chief I have a CZ75D Compact impressed with the little pistol. Great CCW option in cal. 9MM. I consider it a far better option to the GLOCK (I have a Glock 19 Gen 5 9mm). Not a big GLOCK fan but obviously own one, not a bad weapon (Glock) as they are exceedingly popular for a reason, just favor other designs more. The CZ also feels better in the hand for me.
I actually keep my P01 as my bedside pistol. It's drop-dead reliable, very accurate, and I figure the first shot D/A trigger is a good safety feature for a half-awake grab when things go bump in the night.
I have no issue with almost any CZ they really are superb, I have a cz catalog and its mind boggling how many in it I would love to own.
I have interest in that one you have, in military trials it failed only 7 times in 15000 cycles, that is superb .
Agreed. When I did my initial research I was impressed by its development and military test results.
I like this guy. I also like Paul Harrell. I can't exactly put the reason into words. It's more of a feeling. I respect them both.
Thank you!
Hi Chief! It’s been a while. I spoke to a CZ tech today, and he said 147 grain Sig V Crown is what he uses in his factory barrel. He explained that the barrel throat can cause some brands to choke, and they could open the throat at no charge if someone is having issues. The tech did say that accuracy could fall off with the larger throat, but it’s a matter of 1-2mm. Hope you’re doing well!
Thanks Frank, I’m doing great! Based upon my little experiment in the video, it seems that my P01 likes the V-Crown bullets just fine. The 147 grain variety was also very accurate.
I range test FULL+1 I carry 1 down loaded , from the mag so far all my SIGs & Glocks are 100%
Groo here
Hi Funkmister,,,
The cx is made for nato spec ammo AKA our +p.
Try some +p for sightin....
Sig ammo is good ...
CA's firearm owners list for public view has been taken down. Bit it's on the innerscreen somewhere.
I can't imagine what that was even supposed to accomplish.
@@hrfunk I just read that CA said it was a security breach. Having dealt with the CA DOJ I'm of the opinion that they lie from time to time. It took me over 9 months to get approved to buy a Ruger 10./22. I had to get a 2A lawyer to get the thing. I have a bias about them.
@@ElainesDomain I wonder who was responsible for the "security breach"
@@hrfunk Dunno. I think that the narrative/story is going to change later today or tomorrow. Some bulldog 2A attorneys in CA are looking into it. I like attorneys that hate everybody. LOL
That ammo seems pretty legit. Even if the chrono is off a little, it's clear they made that ammo to work well in 4" barrels. I've been looking into getting a P-01 or some other CZ75 model, just haven't made up my mind. I'm becoming a big fan of all metal pistols.
I'd go with the P01 because it's a fantastic carry gun and still feels like a 75 when you shoot it. The SP01 would be a great option too if you don't mind the size.
@@nickloven6728 Yeah the more I see it, the more I like the P01... I liked the full sized 75BD because it looks a little like a Browning Hi Power and I've been wanting a browning for years.
@@Jazzman-bj9fq if you want the compact with the traditional look then get the PCRD its like the PO1 but has the smooth dust cover instead of a rail
@@bradylangley113 Yes I like that model as well. For something a bit on the smaller side, I'd probably have less need for a light anyway as I have larger pistols with lights already. Still mulling it over.
@@Jazzman-bj9fq cant go wrong with either i used to have both lol but traded the p01 for a full size 75 bd
I’m still watching your offhand shooting, but I’m curious how your other ammo stacks up against the SIG ammo.
I like the Sig Ammo. I haven’t tested it extensively, but it’s accurate and reliable.
I just picked up a P01 today, and ran about 130 rounds through it, including a mag of my defense ammo, Sig 124 gr JHP. For me, it is amazing shooting, especially coming from a Glock 19. And it's handles well, shoots smooth, and recoil like nothing.
I think you are going to enjoy tomorrow morning's video! The P01 plays a prominent role.
Back when I shot PPC, I used a custom S&W 3rd generation 9mm in the Auto event, as did several other competitors. We all settled on the 147 grain bullet as the accuracy champ, especially out at 50 yards. Early 147 grain police duty loads had problems with expansion and were prone to over-penetrate, but this was fixed some time ago. Nowadays I don't think you can go wrong with a good 147 JHP from a major manufacturer assuming you are running a 4 inch barrel or longer. They still offer acceptable performance in shorter barrels but I tend to chose 124's in the smaller guns because some of them have occasional reliability problems with the 147's greater overall length.
As for your chronograph, I'd be skeptical of those higher numbers you got with the 147's, especially that you perceived them as being a softer shooting load. Had you actually fired 147's at velocities normally seen in 9mm NATO loads, I think you would have noticed. Alaskan Ballistics channel chronographed this load in four pistols, and got a bit lower than box speeds with his Glock 43 at 956 fps, slightly higher velocities with his HK VP9 at 969 fps, , and with his 5 inch S&W M&P got 1,029 fps average. Surprisingly he got a trifle more from his Glock 19 at 1,031 fps.
I've seen some gel tests with the 124 grain version which show variable results on expansion and penetration. Hopefully the 147 might perform a bit more consistently. Of course there are a lot of variables in amateur testing. I doubt a company like SIG would release ammo for sale that did not at least do well on FBI tests.
Thanks Brother! I'll soon have a new lab radar chronograph (a loaner from ERJG) on hand to test the validity of my old Caldwell. I suspect I'm going to find that it's become a bit eccentric over the years.
With 9mm ( and .40 S&W too) I tend to stick with the mid-weight loads. I like the 124 9mm's for the very reasons you mentioned. Truthfully, the older I get and the more shooting data I accumulate. the less I convern myself with gel tests and the like. I think the ammunition companies are producing some of the best defensive loads we've ever seen and I don't think there's a great deal of difference in their performance. I've also killed enough animals over the years to value shot placement over magic bullets.
Thanks for another great comment an Happy independence Day!
Re. the low hits: I actually LIKE that my defensive ammo hits on the center line of the three dots (or equivalent visibility indicators) on my sights and centering THOSE on my intended point of impact, rather than just above the sights as with a traditional target sight picture. I know that in a defensive situation, I'll be reflexively focusing on the dots, rather than the top of the sight blade.
Could be that the p01 is set for what some call a 'combat hold', meaning what you mentioned. It's made as an easier to conceal duty pistol, so that'd fit the bill. Would be nice to have a table to show what companies zero their models with which hold. I think Sig does the same.
I also had issues with Sig hollow points.
I'm not sure what kind they were, but that was years ago and I think they only had one kind then.
That's kind of when I decided it was going to be critical defense, since I've never once had an issue with it, in any of my firearms.
The test I've conducted 1000 is typical have had some 1100 ft ps
What light and holster are you using with you. CZ P01?
The light is an Olight PL Mini 2 Valkyrie. I don't typically carry the P01. It's on home guard duty.
I nay purchase a P01 as well, good video
Put a $30 MCARBO spring kit in; it really improves this gun.
Great Groups Sig produce great products. I would feel a little reluctant firing ammo sent to me by a unknown source. Glad you survived.lol
Thanks! I have the greatest viewers on RUclips. I was never concerned for an instant.
Great review. Very well thought out & executed. Appreciate the insight & details. The range demonstration is helpful also. I have to agree that your chronograph isn't reading correctly. I haven't seen 147 grain 9mm over exceed 1100fps even out of 5" barrels. That is just my experience. So I may not be correct. Thank you.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Another fine video. Thank you
You’re welcome Paul. Thanks for watching!
I filmed testing the rare 3rd Gen .45 yesterday with Lone Mountain Ammunition both 185 & 230 grain..pistol shot a little low needed a Combat Hold...5 out of 7 in groups offhand standing were all jagged...though I'm no group shooter and was closer. Not positive how to edit the boring footage maybe just keep the decent comments after shots but eliminate all the aiming and just put the shot breaks then the results but idk. Hard w people's attention spans. Yet you, Harrell, and lionquest seem to be able to hold people's attention by being slow and thorough.
It's definitely a balancing test. I was worried with today's video that the shooting footage dragged on a little too long. Hopefully everyone who watches it will still be entertained as well as informed.
I run the 124 gr. v crown in my P01. Can’t say I’ve had an issue
Great video. As always, very articulate and informative. CZ is an outstanding brand, but they missed the mark with the Rami in my opinion. It's a bit smaller than the P01, and marginally lighter. Not much gained for a problematic pistol with no rail. May as well stick with the 01.
The RAMI isn't problematic. Just change the recoil springs ($6.00) every 800+ rounds and it run flawlessly. Accurate shooter. I have both the P01, RAMI and P07. I love all 3, shoot all 3 well but i carry the RAMI more. The mags are the real issue with the RAMI. CZ went with mec-gar mags with the P01. They should have done the same thing with the RAMI. I will admit the whole recoil spring thing is stupid but I just swap them out when I clean the gun. No biggie.
What's the difference between loads , 115 is +/- 1215 fps. , 124 +/- 1150 fps. , 147 +/- 995 fps. considered subsconic . These are rough estimates, the heavier bullet moves slower.
they also cycle the slides at different rates and the overall cartridge length and bullet profiles differ. Sometimes certain firearms will have a preference for particular types of ammo.
@@hrfunk thank you, I didn't know the profile was different, I do think 124 seems more accurate in My Glocks 19 and 45 and Beretta's . I did notice 115 seems to be a brass jacket, where 124 seems to be copper, maybe it gets a better (bite) or twist from the rifling - Lands&grooves , just a thought ? Maybe you could do a video about that subject 😉. Thank you Sir ❤️
You’re most welcome. It would be difficult to produce a video like that due to the myriad types of ammunition and firearm combos available. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that every firearm will tend to have its own preference (even 2 different specimens of the same model might like something different). Usually a little experimentation will help you to find what your model likes best. It sounds as though you’ve already found one type of ammo it likes. Best of luck and thanks for watching!
I don't know what it is about the P01 but i find it to be supremely accurate right out of the box even in the hands of folks who have never shot it before. Even in stock form it's just the right blend of ergonomics, weight, and a very predictable trigger. Sure you can tune it up, but you really don't need to (unless you want to).
I agree.I really enjoy shooting mine.
thanks
I have been looking at the Sar copy of this pistol.
I have no experience with the SAR version but the CZ is a great handgun.
Nicely done.
Thank you!
Very cool video.
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It's correct for 147 g.
Good video, HR. Take a file to that front sight! Lol. I would have liked to know if there was/is a velocity difference from DA to SA. A S&W revolver will see an increase in velocity in SA over DA because the hammer does not "fall" as far during SA shooting. It isn’t much but is is consistent.
Interesting. I’ve never heard of this before. I would just assume if the primer detonates it would project the round the same no matter what. Are you suggesting the primer flash more when hit with a sa hammer? I’m confused here, the hammer falls further in da doesn’t it?
I think I'll leave the front sight as it is. With my typical carry loads, that little pistol is right on.
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It is a proven fact and physics concurs. The hammer falls from two different points on a S&W DA revolver. It isn’t a lot but, it is different. 50-75fps is all but the average will be different.
@@hrfunk Are you using 124gr NATO loads?
No, 124 gr. Speer Gold Dot +P. Velocity is probably similar to the NATO load.
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