Wanted to dive into a bit of the background of satanism in black metal and why it's a much more complex--and misrepresented--topic for a lot of people. Thought this would be fun to dive into religiously and philosophically to give some in-depth stuff about the nuance of it! What're your opinions on this?! Be sure to let me know down below, can't wait to hear; there is no wrong answer!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
many orthodox christians love black metal because they are secure in their faith, in the sense that they can separate just music than beliefs, and just not support bands that do extreme acts like burzum
Black metal, for me, was a means of lashing out against a faith that I lost when I was younger. I'm in my 30s now, and it's become more about the music with that touch of blasphemy that's become almost nostalgic for me at this point.
I actually listen to a so-called satanic band Twin Temple who whilst considered metal sing more in a doo-wop style. As a Catholic I don't mind their beliefs, it doesn't interfere with mine, and I really like their music. I don't think I listen to much in the way of black metal and thats more for the music than the meaning behind lyrics.
I find a lot of the Christian black metal acts, particularly in the modern context, go harder than the satanic ones and are far less cheesey. But perhaps I'm biased about that since im a Christian. Favorite black metal act overall is Marduk thoigh fwiw.
As a metalhead for 20+ and a practicing Satanist myself for about 5 years now. It's more of a you are your own God type of thing. And yes the music is what Leo's is going I know that's how it helps me. Hell if not for slipknot hands down I wouldn't be here right now because of everything you said in generations
Nate from Spirit Adrift had an episode on his podcast where he examined several of his favorite bands from the 'satanic' side of the spectrum and concluded that, out of those listed, the only one he felt had any true zeal in their beliefs was Jon from Dissection. Then he did the same with more god-leaning acts and found that there were at least a few more examples of those who actually had a stronger sense of faith like Kirk from Crowbar or the band Trouble. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, yeah, casting the video title aside you'd be hard pressed to find a large sum of people who view black matal's satanism as going beyond the aesthetic level. Side note: He also said that out of all of them, David Eugene Edwards of the folk band Wovenhand (who is firmly god-fearing) is able to instill the fear of a higher power or force far greater than any satanist could hope to achieve. I finally started listening to Wovenhand and 16 Horsepower after that and yeah, can confirm.
For sure, in the grand scheme of things, there are funnily some black metal bands that are christian or theistic pagans far more than satanic. I wasn't aware of that podcast episode though, thank you for the recommendation on that. That's interesting as hell
@@easybakec0ven Jon isn't the only satanist, there's King Diamond and Nergal who are philosophical believers and Sammy Duet and Marilyn Manson who are spiritual satanists
I would rather have a video saying black metal isn't n*zi I barely listen to it because the research about each band to see if they're sketchy cannot be worth the effort
In general, satanism in black metal always seemed to me like more an aesthetic element and inspiration to write lyrics than a proper, solid belief of the bands members. I agree with your arguments on this video. Of course there are black metal bands whose members are satanists, but there are also black metal bands where the musicians have other kind of spiritual/ religious beliefs.
I think the satanic element in black metal is overdone as much as the awful national socialist movements that it has. Something can be cold and grim without it being cheesy or racist/hateful.
I listen to my fair share of Dimmu Borgir and Ihsahn, and have listened to a fair amount of other black metal, and I've learned that black metal isn't just offensive to Christians, it's offensive to all religion. No, it's not Satanic. Infact I do find Ihsahn's lyrics are far more general social commentary than just on organised religion. The funniest thing about this whole topic is that one of the few black metal bands I consistently listen to is a Christian band. But yeah, black metal is not Satanic. I couldn't get past the first song, but Transilvanian Hunger is a fking vampire story(the song, as previously stated I didn't finish the album, so I don't know if the rest of the album is the same). Yes, there are bands in the genre like Watain, but they're not very common.
if you were to call any form of metal generally satanic, then it's black metal. I think that beyond the surface level, pretty much everyone realizes black metal isn't necessarily true satanism. The point you are making is going to be lost on the majority, and is already known to the rest; I think it might be more apt to say what black metal really is, rather than trying to show generally what it isn't.
Going through Wikipedia articles on Black Metal you see a lot of divisive bickering amongst one another about not only what is or isn't black metal, or what is pagan even. Off the top of my head I can't remember who but one of the NSBM front men basically said Satanism isn't pagan and neo paganism if you are European well... I mean you know the acronym lol I don't think you think you can reduce a genre of music to an ideology unless it is something like Buyers Market which is basically just pro abuse philosophy to say in a Google friendly way lol
As a black metal fan, idgaf if the mfs from the band x or y are satanic or not I will just listen to their songs lmao. And all that imagery and stuff on albums is very secondary, sure I like it but it isn’t as important as the music itself
Yeah, I feel like if you're into black metal, you have to understand that you're not always going to get what you want and people going in with a stick up their ass are simply asking for trouble lol.
Thank God another Christian with common sense when it comes to Satanism and theology and knowing that they're not all baby killers or demon worshipers. God bless you man, you're are one in a million when it comes to this type of thing.
I'll always wear my faith on my sleeve but it'll never define me on this channel if it's not relevant to a discussion. But I think it's very important and honestly I fit a lot of categories a lot of times people don't associate with metalheads, and I think it's super important to make it clear the definitions from the inside and side of someone who would know what that type of shit actually means. Cheers and love ya.
Thank you, because(saying that in the less pagan/satanistic way possible) people don't realise that satanism and paganism are different things, mentioning it was great. Awesome video overall, good job for analysing it in depth! People don't fully understand black metal(because they're too scared to look into it to understand it and I get them), so that what you said about satan being in christianity and how black metal can't believe in satan if it doesn't belive that christianity exists is something not many people have thought of(and I hadn't thought of it either)
Felt that way for awhile. Honestly, putting outright satanic things in your music doesn't mean that you're a satanist--that's something it took me awhile to realize.
@@Davidbrompton58 satanic in what way are you referring to? because I do agree that a staple of the genre is anti-christianity, but there is satanism and satanism and those two things aren't always the same if you catch my drift LMAO
As a LaVeyan/philosophical Satanist myself, my perspective is, quite simply put, that, few things in the world has been more detrimental to mankind and the world overall than organized religion, regardless of what that religion is. Therefore it is more logical to me to gravitate towards the antithesis of organized religion, philosophies such as LaVeyan Satanism, to some degree nihilism (it is by definition impossible to be a true nihilist) and misanthropy. Edit: I do also happen to be a musician that makes music of the Black or Blackened extreme metal variety.
I cannot say how much I appreciate you understanding the flaws of nihilism, sidenote to everything else. But thank you so much for this comment, appreciate you!
@@TheMetalTempestYT I am 49 and I heard black metal for the first time in 1993 with Venom and Mayhem in 1996. You are 100% right and I learned that you say for what they are used to speaking in interviews, their philosophy and I understand what religion is as a movement and the difference with spirituality.
Wanted to dive into a bit of the background of satanism in black metal and why it's a much more complex--and misrepresented--topic for a lot of people. Thought this would be fun to dive into religiously and philosophically to give some in-depth stuff about the nuance of it! What're your opinions on this?! Be sure to let me know down below, can't wait to hear; there is no wrong answer!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
As ironic as it sounds, I'm an Orthodox Christian, but I also enjoy Black Metal
many orthodox christians love black metal because they are secure in their faith, in the sense that they can separate just music than beliefs, and just not support bands that do extreme acts like burzum
Black metal, for me, was a means of lashing out against a faith that I lost when I was younger. I'm in my 30s now, and it's become more about the music with that touch of blasphemy that's become almost nostalgic for me at this point.
I actually listen to a so-called satanic band Twin Temple who whilst considered metal sing more in a doo-wop style. As a Catholic I don't mind their beliefs, it doesn't interfere with mine, and I really like their music. I don't think I listen to much in the way of black metal and thats more for the music than the meaning behind lyrics.
I find a lot of the Christian black metal acts, particularly in the modern context, go harder than the satanic ones and are far less cheesey.
But perhaps I'm biased about that since im a Christian. Favorite black metal act overall is Marduk thoigh fwiw.
As a metalhead for 20+ and a practicing Satanist myself for about 5 years now. It's more of a you are your own God type of thing. And yes the music is what Leo's is going I know that's how it helps me. Hell if not for slipknot hands down I wouldn't be here right now because of everything you said in generations
Nate from Spirit Adrift had an episode on his podcast where he examined several of his favorite bands from the 'satanic' side of the spectrum and concluded that, out of those listed, the only one he felt had any true zeal in their beliefs was Jon from Dissection. Then he did the same with more god-leaning acts and found that there were at least a few more examples of those who actually had a stronger sense of faith like Kirk from Crowbar or the band Trouble.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, yeah, casting the video title aside you'd be hard pressed to find a large sum of people who view black matal's satanism as going beyond the aesthetic level.
Side note: He also said that out of all of them, David Eugene Edwards of the folk band Wovenhand (who is firmly god-fearing) is able to instill the fear of a higher power or force far greater than any satanist could hope to achieve. I finally started listening to Wovenhand and 16 Horsepower after that and yeah, can confirm.
Well there's also Nergal and King Diamond who are philosophical Satanists then there's Marilyn Manson and Sammy Duet who are more spiritual Satanists
For sure, in the grand scheme of things, there are funnily some black metal bands that are christian or theistic pagans far more than satanic. I wasn't aware of that podcast episode though, thank you for the recommendation on that. That's interesting as hell
Nate is the man, i love his stuff.
@@easybakec0ven Jon isn't the only satanist, there's King Diamond and Nergal who are philosophical believers and Sammy Duet and Marilyn Manson who are spiritual satanists
I would rather have a video saying black metal isn't n*zi I barely listen to it because the research about each band to see if they're sketchy cannot be worth the effort
Honestly fair! I think I could definitely see that warranting its own video and wouldn't mind it at all. Fully agree with that lmao
In general, satanism in black metal always seemed to me like more an aesthetic element and inspiration to write lyrics than a proper, solid belief of the bands members. I agree with your arguments on this video. Of course there are black metal bands whose members are satanists, but there are also black metal bands where the musicians have other kind of spiritual/ religious beliefs.
Oh, for sure. There definitely are the ones that are haha. I think people just assume ALL are.
I think the satanic element in black metal is overdone as much as the awful national socialist movements that it has. Something can be cold and grim without it being cheesy or racist/hateful.
Yeah I felt that. I'm not really interested in hearing the fuck God messaging put in no interesting or poetic way. LMAO
So burning down churches are a form of expression and "creativity"? I disagree.
I listen to my fair share of Dimmu Borgir and Ihsahn, and have listened to a fair amount of other black metal, and I've learned that black metal isn't just offensive to Christians, it's offensive to all religion. No, it's not Satanic. Infact I do find Ihsahn's lyrics are far more general social commentary than just on organised religion. The funniest thing about this whole topic is that one of the few black metal bands I consistently listen to is a Christian band. But yeah, black metal is not Satanic. I couldn't get past the first song, but Transilvanian Hunger is a fking vampire story(the song, as previously stated I didn't finish the album, so I don't know if the rest of the album is the same). Yes, there are bands in the genre like Watain, but they're not very common.
if you were to call any form of metal generally satanic, then it's black metal. I think that beyond the surface level, pretty much everyone realizes black metal isn't necessarily true satanism. The point you are making is going to be lost on the majority, and is already known to the rest; I think it might be more apt to say what black metal really is, rather than trying to show generally what it isn't.
True
Going through Wikipedia articles on Black Metal you see a lot of divisive bickering amongst one another about not only what is or isn't black metal, or what is pagan even. Off the top of my head I can't remember who but one of the NSBM front men basically said Satanism isn't pagan and neo paganism if you are European well... I mean you know the acronym lol I don't think you think you can reduce a genre of music to an ideology unless it is something like Buyers Market which is basically just pro abuse philosophy to say in a Google friendly way lol
As a black metal fan, idgaf if the mfs from the band x or y are satanic or not I will just listen to their songs lmao. And all that imagery and stuff on albums is very secondary, sure I like it but it isn’t as important as the music itself
Yeah, I feel like if you're into black metal, you have to understand that you're not always going to get what you want and people going in with a stick up their ass are simply asking for trouble lol.
of course it is, bye.
think you may've misinterpreted the video or intention but regardless cheers.
Thank God another Christian with common sense when it comes to Satanism and theology and knowing that they're not all baby killers or demon worshipers.
God bless you man, you're are one in a million when it comes to this type of thing.
I'll always wear my faith on my sleeve but it'll never define me on this channel if it's not relevant to a discussion. But I think it's very important and honestly I fit a lot of categories a lot of times people don't associate with metalheads, and I think it's super important to make it clear the definitions from the inside and side of someone who would know what that type of shit actually means. Cheers and love ya.
Thank you, because(saying that in the less pagan/satanistic way possible) people don't realise that satanism and paganism are different things, mentioning it was great. Awesome video overall, good job for analysing it in depth! People don't fully understand black metal(because they're too scared to look into it to understand it and I get them), so that what you said about satan being in christianity and how black metal can't believe in satan if it doesn't belive that christianity exists is something not many people have thought of(and I hadn't thought of it either)
Black metal never has been truly satanic. An authentic fully knowledgeable Satanist (No, not you LaVey) would hate most of black metal’s lyrics.
black metal is literally another word for satanic metal so idkkk
My guy, they literally said that black metal has pagan roots, did you not watch the video?
Whether or not it’s satanic, I still have yet to find a Black Metal band I even consider mid enough to listen to.
Satan is not interested in Black Metal anyways, because it sucks lol.
LMAOO get it!
Hmm, ok i must be wrong about the hundreds of overtly satanic black metal CDs and LPs i own.
Felt that way for awhile. Honestly, putting outright satanic things in your music doesn't mean that you're a satanist--that's something it took me awhile to realize.
@@TheMetalTempestYT black metal is supposed to be satanic.
@@Davidbrompton58 satanic in what way are you referring to? because I do agree that a staple of the genre is anti-christianity, but there is satanism and satanism and those two things aren't always the same if you catch my drift LMAO
@@TheMetalTempestYT nevermind buddy, I can’t believe im even debating this.
I wasn't trying to debate! I apologize if it came off that way
As a LaVeyan/philosophical Satanist myself, my perspective is, quite simply put, that, few things in the world has been more detrimental to mankind and the world overall than organized religion, regardless of what that religion is. Therefore it is more logical to me to gravitate towards the antithesis of organized religion, philosophies such as LaVeyan Satanism, to some degree nihilism (it is by definition impossible to be a true nihilist) and misanthropy.
Edit: I do also happen to be a musician that makes music of the Black or Blackened extreme metal variety.
I cannot say how much I appreciate you understanding the flaws of nihilism, sidenote to everything else. But thank you so much for this comment, appreciate you!
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cheers! :]
@@TheMetalTempestYT I am 49 and I heard black metal for the first time in 1993 with Venom and Mayhem in 1996. You are 100% right and I learned that you say for what they are used to speaking in interviews, their philosophy and I understand what religion is as a movement and the difference with spirituality.
@@gabrielgalban Absolutely! And rock on, glad to hear you've been enjoying it for that long! Great bands to start with, too.