The Painful Death of Theatrical Popeye

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  • Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
  • He wasn’t strong to the finish, but he sure ate his spinach…
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  • @slashbash1347
    @slashbash1347 7 месяцев назад +65

    Hard to believe Popeye started out as just a side character.
    Also, when my girlfriend was a kid, she believed downing a can of uncooked spinach would give her super strength. It gave her the vomits.

    • @mitchfletcher2386
      @mitchfletcher2386 7 месяцев назад +2

      Well, live and learn!

    • @TheReZisTLust
      @TheReZisTLust 7 месяцев назад +3

      Technically it gave her strength in the stomach

  • @nawazeeshali4340
    @nawazeeshali4340 7 месяцев назад +49

    Wimpy was my favorite character in the show "give me a hamburger today and I will pay you back Tuesday" ah so iconic, so many burger stores today are named Wimpy.

  • @baderalogtis7856
    @baderalogtis7856 7 месяцев назад +49

    Ironically, Mickey had a more painful theatrical fall than Popeye's.

    • @pedrogabrielduarte4544
      @pedrogabrielduarte4544 7 месяцев назад +2

      Why?

    • @tonycanabal1659
      @tonycanabal1659 7 месяцев назад +9

      @@pedrogabrielduarte4544 Probably because Donald Duck was more popular by then.

    • @robbiewalker2831
      @robbiewalker2831 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@pedrogabrielduarte4544 what Tony said.

    • @itznoah-iz5zt
      @itznoah-iz5zt 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@pedrogabrielduarte4544 By the late 30s, Mickey had begun to lose the appeal he once had as other characters such as Donald Duck and/or Porky and Daffy began overshadowing him in popularity, as they were considered far more interesting. Disney tried to retool Mickey to be somewhat in line with these characters in the early 40s but around the same time WWII had begun, and Mickey became an icon of goodwill for the US. After the war, Mickey very much slipped into a similar issue that Popeye faced. Most of his later shorts focused on Pluto more so than Mickey himself, and by 1953, the Mickey series came to a close. Thankfully, also like Popeye, television would have regenerate interest in the Mouse.

  • @lizardlord4k
    @lizardlord4k 7 месяцев назад +32

    Popeye is one of those characters that SHOULD be regarded as one of the greatest of all time, and in some cases is, but mostly has been left to the sands of time, and that really sucks.

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 7 месяцев назад +7

      I say Felix the Cat has it worse with a non-existent 100th Anniversary. Still better than Disney’s 100th Though.

  • @sebastiantrias1529
    @sebastiantrias1529 7 месяцев назад +30

    Sad that Majority of people that think of Popeye, they think of the Fried Chicken place.

    • @HoofKicker
      @HoofKicker 7 месяцев назад +4

      but hey it's still good chicken you know.

    • @RerememBerering
      @RerememBerering 6 месяцев назад +1

      I think of that canned spinach.

    • @terranceaddison4599
      @terranceaddison4599 3 месяца назад

      At least his name lives on ...

  • @nostalgiamostalgia0319
    @nostalgiamostalgia0319 7 месяцев назад +24

    I’ll never forget how such a mighty toon like this had fallen. But it recovered thanks to Boomerang and the Sony project.

  • @NunofYerbizness
    @NunofYerbizness 7 месяцев назад +22

    12:38 There was also that cancelled Popeye movie that Genndy Tartakovsky directed that would've been theatrical. Even if it was just an animatic, it still acted as a great Popeye film even for someone that only grew up with the Famous shorts. In short, it's the third time in a row that there was a Popeye movie that involved him going on a journey to find his dad, but also it's a total origin story about how Popeye gets his extra strength from eating spinach, and the general love triangle between Popeye, Olive and Bluto. Considering the reputation other modern Popeye media has been getting, this seemed like a clear beacon, and at the end of the day I'm grateful that it managed to find its way through a Chip Butty, but it was kinda a stink that it got scrapped, I imagine everyone else can agree upon.

  • @tyrannosaurusallen3703
    @tyrannosaurusallen3703 7 месяцев назад +16

    Wow. So this video took over two years from announcement to completion? That’s got to be a record of some kind.

    • @nevaehhamilton3493
      @nevaehhamilton3493 7 месяцев назад +1

      Frankly, I never knew. I'm a newer fan.

    • @robbiewalker2831
      @robbiewalker2831 7 месяцев назад +1

      Two years for a 15-minute video… and the Charlie Vs. Wonka video had a lot more going than that, but eh, you take what you get.

  • @jessestinkman
    @jessestinkman 6 месяцев назад +4

    the popeye vs sinbad cartoon still blows my fucking mind.
    full color, 3d backgrounds made from who knows what they had at the time, moving camera shots despite being from the mid 30's.
    on top of all this it still manages to be funny. its been like 1000 years since it came out and i still dont know how they did it.

  • @laifale
    @laifale 7 месяцев назад +14

    Thank you for covering this subject! to me, the worst decision on famous studio in handling popeye was drifting so far from the original thimble theatre comics

  • @TVkingOmega
    @TVkingOmega 7 месяцев назад +29

    I think you severely undercut the struggles and downfall that caused this decline at the start. In 1937 we had the first animators strike due to Paramount demanding an output of 1 short a week or 52 shorts a year, a task impossible for a company known for lavishly expensive stop-motion backgrounds. The move to Miami Florida in 1938 was to circumvent the possibility of a union forming since Florida doesn’t recognize them and still don’t.
    Working in Miami Florida was a massive struggle for the fledgling Fleischer crew, and I do mean fledgling due to needing to leave behind various staff and cast who wouldn’t move such as Mae Questel, the voice of Betty Boop and Olive Oyl. Florida didn’t have a strong film and animation presence, meaning if a piece of equipment broke it couldn’t be easily replaced. They also more often than not had to outsource their voice acting which is how the Superman shorts were largely done. Gulliver’s Travels had to be rushed out in less than 18 months, less than a fraction of the development time of Snow White, and this was in conjunction with their theatrical shorts load… a lot of animators they literally pulled off the streets and needed to give a crash course to.
    That the Fleischer Popeyes from 1938 to 1942 were still as good as they were was a miracle, not to mention the beginnings of Famous before the move back to the old studio space… and give the Famous Studios era some credit, early on they had some real talent assisting them. Disney animator Bill Tytla, future Terrytoons and Felix animator Jim Tyer and Felix creator Otto Messmer to name a few.
    King Features Syndicate charged Paramount a licensing fee per character used. From the very start, this was why we mostly only got Popeye, Olive and Bluto, why they often had to use Bluto lookalikes to circumvent paying for his licensing fee. Why other Thimble Theater staples like Wimpy, Swee’Pea and Poopdeck Pappy were largely phased out. Even back in the Fleischer days this was made clear by how Bluto was absent in 46 out of the 108 shorts.

    • @Marbles471
      @Marbles471 7 месяцев назад +1

      Is that true? That makes it all the more silly how King Features imposed the creation of Brutus as a replacement for Bluto starting in the '60s cartoons, because whoever was in charge by then thought that Bluto was a Fleischer/Famous creation and didn't know that Segar had created the character. They already owned him!

    • @TVkingOmega
      @TVkingOmega 7 месяцев назад

      @@Marbles471Thad Komorowski said as much. He generally knows what he’s talking about.

  • @user-zs9ux1ru8u
    @user-zs9ux1ru8u 7 месяцев назад +8

    I will never forgive them for canceling this movie for the Emoji movie

    • @Sean-132
      @Sean-132 7 месяцев назад +3

      It was never canceled for the emoji movie, it was canceled because Sony just didn’t like Genndy’s vision for the movie and they wanted it to be more modern for the young kids.

    • @popeyeandthejeep7459
      @popeyeandthejeep7459 7 месяцев назад +4

      The the choice to make the imoji over popeye was stupid and costly. How much didn't the imoji movie make?

  • @Best-YouTube-Channel
    @Best-YouTube-Channel 7 месяцев назад +3

    It took awhile but I'm glad it's finally here. As someone who grew up with alot of golden age cartoons, Popeye was the one I noticed had the biggest quality drop from Fletcher to Famous as a kid (Aside from the 60's Looney Tunes), though I still watched them since it was Popeye. I still fondly remember a few of the Famous cartoons.

  • @davidhileman8567
    @davidhileman8567 7 месяцев назад +9

    Thankfully the studio that mishandled Popeye bit the dust in 1967, which I would consider to be one of the most fascinating times in animation, and film in general; the 1960's saw the rise of television as the dominant force in the entertainment industry, with even the prominence of color television being so strong that it grew from a cutting-edge novelty to the default setting people had in their living rooms (all three big networks, ABC, CBS and NBC began broadcasting in full color by 1966). In both the film and animation industry, many people would see television as the reason why the theatrical short was dying a slow death starting even in the late 1950's, when MGM closed their in-house animation studio, leaving its 2 biggest directors, "Tom and Jerry" creators William Hanna and Joseph Barbera, to break into television animation by use of their own studio, Hanna-Barbera, after teaming up with Columbia Pictures and their television division, Screen Gems. After that happened, lots of animators who were laid off from animation studios as theatrical shorts were dying, such as former Lantz animator Alex Lovy, ex-Disney animators George Nicholas and Iwao Takamoto, and many animators who also worked with Hanna and Barbera back at MGM, like Kenneth Muse, Ed Benedict, Michael Lah, and Carlo Vinci, joined Hanna-Barbera throughout the late-50's-early-60's, which was also when Jay Ward Productions was breaking ground, and Filmation was getting started, at first on an animated feature film sequel to the beloved "Wizard of Oz" film which would be initially shelved due to lack of funding until their success in television animation gave them the funds they needed to finish the film, which was released in 1972 as "Journey Back to Oz". While Hanna-Barbera, Filmation, and Jay Ward Productions were doing their thing, animation studios that had been around since the Golden Age of Animation were closing down, biting the dust one (Warner Bros. Cartoons closing in 1963, the resulting formation of DePatie-Freleng Enterprises, then the formation of Warner Bros.-Seven Arts Animation, which would be closed in 1969) by one (Famous Studios, which closed in 1967, a year after Paramount themselves were purchased by Gulf+Western) by one (Walter Lantz Productions, closing in 1972, mainly because Lantz just couldn't stay in business!), until Disney seemed to be the only one left, and even then they were having to recruit new animators! Meanwhile the television animation studios would end up utilizing UPA's "limited animation" style and even adding to it, giving it such tricks as the "ring around the collar" effect, as this "limited animation" approach even spread to theatrical shorts as their budgets were shrinking and shrinking until they just couldn't make them anymore! There's a reason why the period in between the late 1950's to the 1980's was called the "Dark Age of Animation"; it was seemingly becoming replaced by an assembly-line philosophy of making cartoons faster and cheaper above all else. Maybe Popeye was lucky his theatrical shorts ended in 1957. Who knows what might have happened if Popeye was still in theatrical shorts in the 1960's?

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 7 месяцев назад +3

    Maurice Lamarche did an excellent job voicing Popeye in Popeye & Son

  • @noahbossier1131
    @noahbossier1131 7 месяцев назад +12

    Famous studios had a ton of problems and nearly all of it is because management of paramount were basically super strict. Didn’t allow artistic ambition much because of the fleischers features having budetiary meltdowns. Paramount slashed budgets and forced layoffs. And threatened shutdown numerous times. Several interviews with crew mentioned that sparber and kneitel were way out of touch and were reluctant to accept any risky ideas or ideas not from them and had an outdated sense of humor even for the time. Even Al eugster one of the main directors on popeye knew it was pale in comparison to the fleischer films. For the record sparber didn’t leave. He was laid off when paramount restructured Famous into paramount cartoons. Also paramount was stingy with royalties. They stopped the Little Lulu series when marge refused to let them buy the IP and raised the licensing fees. little Audrey was created to skirt around those fees also there are surviving storyboards of films that are much more on pace with looney tunes but sparber and kneitel made a timing sheet book and slowed down it a LOT. Also directors who supervised their units like Al Eugster and Dave Tendlar did not have as much freedom as many of their Hollywood contemporaries because of them retaining the fleischer structure of sparber and kneitel supervising story’s and voice recording with actual direction being done by lead animators like Dave Tendlar, Tom Johnson, and Al Eugster. This meant that the de facto directors didn’t have as much freedom as Chuck Jones at Warner or the Hanna Barbera unit at MGM. It’s a long complicated history and it would be Intresting to cover all the theatrical studios.

    • @Marbles471
      @Marbles471 7 месяцев назад +1

      What I'll never be able to understand is WHY Kneitel and Sparber (if indeed the impetus did come from them) wanted to slow the pacing down so much. That's the thing that stands out about the later Famous era to me the most, even more than the tired, cornball gags and dull dialogue ---- the pacing is just SOOOOO slow. That, put together with the very pedestrian, unimaginative staging choices, completely weakens any impact the gags might have had.
      I'll never know how basically the same crew of people that made "Bimbo's Initiation" and "Cartoons Ain't Human" could end up creating "Spree Lunch". I mean....it's amazing.

    • @noahbossier1131
      @noahbossier1131 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Marbles471 the problem started during fleischer. But it was not helped by Paramount being super strict with the studio. They repeatedly threatened to shut down the studio several times. In fact the reason that they revived the Screen Songs to begin with was to avoid a shutdown. Paramount was Very strict with them in comparison to Warner and MGM which were basically hands off. The films produced by Shamus Culhane deliberately go in a more experimental direction with films like The Trip and My Daddy the Astronaut but it was cut short by Gulf Western shutting down the place. It’s kind of sad too because directors like Dave Tendlar and Al Eugster were more than capable of delivering films on the quality level of Hollywood studios. They did manage to direct some fascinating films still.

    • @noahbossier1131
      @noahbossier1131 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Marbles471 also according to artists like Howard Beckerman(who did inbetweens at Famous prior to being drafted in Korea and later worked at the studio when Shamus Culhane was running it) management was the main problem. There is a quote from Lee Mishkin another inbetweener at the time that mentioned that the bosses went to screenings with a clipboard and literally checked out gags based on the laugh response. If the gag got 3 separate films worth of laughs at test screenings it would be standard in every film. This was not helped by paramounts super strict budgets. Later supervisors like Howard Post, Shamus Culhane and Ralph Bakshi attempted to make experimental films like The Plumber, the Trip, Marvin Digs, and My Daddy the Astronaut but Culhane and Bakshi were cut short when gulf western shut down the animation department.

  • @popeyeandthejeep7459
    @popeyeandthejeep7459 7 месяцев назад +3

    Nothing tops the early Fleischer studios stuff. Popeye in his heyday you can see the animators talent an the fun they had making those shorts.

  • @pamelamays4186
    @pamelamays4186 7 месяцев назад +5

    Another change. Bluto's original name was Brutus.

    • @Mibbitmaker
      @Mibbitmaker 7 месяцев назад +7

      It was Bluto on his debut in the Segar comic strip. It wasn't until the '60s TV version that they believed (falsely) that they legally had to change it to Brutus.

  • @BoomGiggity
    @BoomGiggity 7 месяцев назад +7

    Sony should have made that Popeye movie and not the emoji movie.

    • @ScroogeKamaziMD
      @ScroogeKamaziMD 7 месяцев назад +2

      If Sony bring that movie back, they should get an another director

  • @ItsAGorillaStudios
    @ItsAGorillaStudios 7 месяцев назад +7

    I always enjoy these classic cartoon histories. It seems to me that fewer and fewer people every year know the histories of these important cultural touchstones.

  • @emini6
    @emini6 7 месяцев назад +4

    I used to have DVD of Popeye in the early 2000s. Even in the Paramount days they were pretty entertaining when I was young.

  • @ZhyBeth
    @ZhyBeth 7 месяцев назад +6

    I always thought famous studios was one the more weaker golden age studios

  • @noahbossier1131
    @noahbossier1131 7 месяцев назад +5

    Also paramount famous did have a couple great periods. Mainly in the early to mid 40s. And when Shamus Culhane took over in the mid 60s which resulted in really great cartoons which sadly got cut short by gulf western.

  • @pamelamays4186
    @pamelamays4186 7 месяцев назад +4

    I love the early Popeye cartoons. In the more "modern" Popeye cartoons, one his nephews mysteriously disappeared. There were originally four of them. Maybe the number was reduced to three to compete with Donald Duck snd his three nephews. The original four nephews were Pip Eye, Peep Eye, Pup Eye and Poop Eye, and they all hated spinach.

    • @timtoongamer
      @timtoongamer Месяц назад

      By the time the theatrical series ended he was down to 2 nephews. The reduction was probally for budget reasons to go from 4-3-2

  • @otaking3582
    @otaking3582 7 месяцев назад +5

    It's really weird how the Looney Tunes were cheaper for Disney to get the rights to than Popeye for WFRR, when we live in an era of that awful Popeye Switch game...

  • @wfanking1187
    @wfanking1187 7 месяцев назад +6

    4:37 this version of Olyv Oil was my childhood crush.

  • @ironiceire
    @ironiceire 7 месяцев назад +2

    10:21 Famous Studios actually dragged on until 1967. They lost Casper and Little Audrey, their last relevant characters to Harvey Comics in 1959, leaving them with very little to work with. The post-1959 Paramount cartoons were aired by Nickelodeon on Cartoon Kablooey, along with UPA shorts, and Wienerville in the early 90s. Although, the only memorable shorts i could think of were the two directed by Jack Mendelsohn in 1965

  • @McCraeTheMediaLover
    @McCraeTheMediaLover 7 месяцев назад +2

    At least to be fair,I consider the Famous Studios era of Popeye to be hit-or-miss,while the 1940's era of Famous Studios Popeye was great,the 1950's Famous Studios era of Popeye was hit-or-miss at times,while some cartoons rehash original ideas from previous cartoons,can be clips show in order to cut costs, or some come off as bad at times,there are some great standoffs and memorable gems with creative ideas,updated color remakes of Fleischer cartoons, and some ideas that make a change to the usual cartoon formula, here such as Let's Stalk Spinach,Cooking With Gags,Private Eye Popeye,Fright To The Finish,Insect To Injury,Punch and Judo,Child Pyschology,Hillbilling and Cooling(a great role reversal with Olive taking on the hero and Popeye now being in the damsel role),Spooky Swabs,Spree Lunch,Alpine for You(with a really hilarious creative take on the Paramount logo at the end),and Popeye,The Ace of Space.

  • @Elementa2006
    @Elementa2006 7 месяцев назад +2

    ".... but my favorite series of classic cartoons has been Popeye...."
    MY MAN!
    Nice to see another who feels the same way.

  • @I_WANT_MY_SLAW
    @I_WANT_MY_SLAW 7 месяцев назад +126

    Popeye becomes public domain next year.

    • @entityontheinternet
      @entityontheinternet 7 месяцев назад +53

      Can´t wait for someone to make a totally not creatively bankrupt Horror Movie based on him

    • @TravonClark
      @TravonClark 7 месяцев назад +12

      ​@@entityontheinternetOr shitty game. * cough cough Rubber Hose Rampage*

    • @I_WANT_MY_SLAW
      @I_WANT_MY_SLAW 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@entityontheinternet because Winnie the Pooh made millions on a shoestring budget. But it's much bigger than that. All these works should've been in the public domain decades ago.

    • @entityontheinternet
      @entityontheinternet 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Yes. But there have to be better Ways to make fun of The Mickey Mouse Protection Act than "What if the family-friendly Character killed everyone?"

    • @Kuce
      @Kuce 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@entityontheinternet how about a straight up fan film?! Something like the Robin Williams movie!

  • @wardjabara8750
    @wardjabara8750 7 месяцев назад +4

    It's funny how Gene Deitch never liked the idea of making Tom and Jerry cartoons because he hated them due to how violent and racist those cartoons were yet he had no issue when it came to bringing Popeye to TV in the 60s?

  • @brickhead9111
    @brickhead9111 7 месяцев назад +5

    The Gene Deitch Popeye’s from the television shorts were the best ones. All the rest of them were bland and dull, at least Deitch’s cartoons had the allure of being trippy and weird to carry them a bit more.

    • @Mibbitmaker
      @Mibbitmaker 7 месяцев назад +1

      Seconded! Those were always the highlight of that era to find. Later I discovered his Tom & Jerrys and liked them even more. Just the sound effects alone are a favorite part.

  • @baileymaloney3595
    @baileymaloney3595 7 месяцев назад +4

    My personal favorite Popeye cartoon is Popeye the Sailor Meets Ali Baba's Forty Thieves (1937).
    It’s hard to believe that the theatrical Popeye films would not be able to hold out in theaters due to television being the new thing at the time, especially with the spinach.

  • @catholiccontriversy
    @catholiccontriversy 7 месяцев назад +6

    Speaking of the propaganda cartoons, it's really unfortunate that ine of the best Bugs Bunny jokes I've ever seen is part of the racist Bugs Bunny and the Japanese army short (don't want to say the title because it has a slur). Bugs Bunny is an ice cream teuck salesman and sells ice cream bars with granades in them to kill the soldiers, and after they all blow up one soldier chases him down and says "I got a free one" (because the popsicle stick the ice cream bar was on had a promotion for random free bars). I wish that happened against an Elmer Fudd type "basic dope" and not "a racist Japanese caricature" because it's so perfectly done.

    • @Marbles471
      @Marbles471 7 месяцев назад +3

      That's what's so confounding about some of these egregiously awkward or racist cartoons ---- some of them are very, very funny, and one --- Bob Clampett's 1943 "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves" --- is almost universally regarded by animation critics as an unbridled masterpiece of the medium. But they're just too hurtful and ignorant to allow in general mainstream circulation anymore.

  • @almeidafilmes9022
    @almeidafilmes9022 7 месяцев назад +3

    12:38 Wait a f*cking minute! Gene Deitch made Popeye cartoons for TV??? OH GOD NO!!!

  • @TravonClark
    @TravonClark 7 месяцев назад +5

    Lets be real. Who else IMMEDIATELY watched Popeye after finishin this video just to go down memory lane?

  • @d-manthecaptain1382
    @d-manthecaptain1382 7 месяцев назад +4

    Why'd you say The Paramount Cartoon Studio closed around the time their Popeye short ended? They kept making theatrical cartoons until 1967

    • @Nick-ty9us
      @Nick-ty9us 6 месяцев назад +3

      The Paramount, cartoons continued for another 10 years after the Popeye series ended

    • @d-manthecaptain1382
      @d-manthecaptain1382 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nick-ty9us Yeah.

    • @Nick-ty9us
      @Nick-ty9us 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@d-manthecaptain1382 but those ones are considered be very bad,

    • @d-manthecaptain1382
      @d-manthecaptain1382 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nick-ty9us Thanks, Nick. Very cool.

    • @Nick-ty9us
      @Nick-ty9us 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@d-manthecaptain1382 I know a lot about the Paramount cartoon studio

  • @ndlmous
    @ndlmous 7 месяцев назад +4

    I thought they never made more than one episode of Popeye repeated ad nauseam

  • @sf-dn8rh
    @sf-dn8rh 7 месяцев назад +2

    Popeye even into the 90s still with the US Navy. In San Diego (major Navy city) you see him in logos, murals in care centers, even used by NEX in ads (Navy Exchange services, the equivlant of walmart or target for the Navy.)

  • @Venom3254
    @Venom3254 7 месяцев назад +5

    The steroided infused spinach started to be illegal

  • @JacobMKeeneAKADrPepperKing
    @JacobMKeeneAKADrPepperKing 7 месяцев назад +2

    I had seen numerous Famous Studios Popeye shorts, including “Spooky Swabs,” and I really didn’t notice a difference in quality between them and the original Fleischer Studios shorts. I will say I did start to notice later on how repetitive they would get, but it hadn’t occurred to me that the pace was slower.

  • @unclegrandpagaming165
    @unclegrandpagaming165 7 месяцев назад +4

    Popeye is the best classic cartoon… the downfall of the franchise is tragic too.. its irrelevant outside of merch and comics nowadays

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 7 месяцев назад +2

      Just like Felix the Cat. All because the people in charge of the rights aren’t bothering to really put the effort in or in some cases like Twisted Tales of Felix, hold it back from reaching their full potential.

  • @hagfish4998
    @hagfish4998 7 месяцев назад +5

    Fun fact: Popeye is gonna enter the Public Domain next year

    • @yourpalazraelyt
      @yourpalazraelyt 4 месяца назад +2

      Is it fleischer popeye or famous popeye or both

  • @hanschristianbrando5588
    @hanschristianbrando5588 7 месяцев назад +3

    The first mistake was putting Popeye in the generic white sailor suit, which diluted his "personaliky." The next was redesigning Olive Oyl and Bluto and making them more attractive. As Stephen Bierly wrote in his book about the Famous Studios Popeye, "Stronger Than Spinach," Olive and Bluto suddenly seemed to belong together and Popeye became a nerd. As for the rest, Charles Solomon nails it in "Enchanted Drawings": "Popeye was tamed and domesticated, and all the fun went out of the cartoons." Whatever was going on with Famous Studios notwithstanding (and that should be a book), it was also the times: after World War II, people wanted civility, so the rough-and-tumble early Popeye probably would have been less in favor anyway. Mommies may have wanted Popeye to encourage their kiddies to eat spinach, but they were less down with Popeye solving problems with violence.
    Of course the primary mistake with the animated Popeye was the under-use or non-use of the quirky Thimble Theater characters, focusing instead on the conventional Popeye-Olive-Bluto triangle. At least the early '60s TV cartoons brought in these characters, but the limited animation compromised their impact.
    Did Isadore Sparber really leave Famous in 1956 as this video claims? According to other sources, he died of a heart attack in 1959, leaving Seymour Kneitel in sole charge until he died (again, of a heart attack at a relatively young age; Paramount clearly was rough on its animation studio) in 1964. And the 1980 live action feature was actually a box office success. The current comic strip Popeye, drawn by Randy Milholland, has gone through the "woke" mill and is wimpier than Wimpy. Maybe Popeye simply shouldn't be done at all anymore, just enjoyed in his 1930s glory.

    • @robbiewalker2831
      @robbiewalker2831 7 месяцев назад +1

      I have two things to say about this problem.
      1. You hit the nail right on the head about how the change in Wardrobe made Popeye feel like a wimp. Most people today would say you have to be in the Navy to be a “true” sailor, but Popeye is already a true sailor prior to this; he’s a Merchant Mariner. What’s that, you ask? A Merchant Mariner handles transporting cargo and passengers from place to place; in fact, Popeye’s debut appearance in comics showcased that. The best thing about Popeye doing so is that he is so persevering, he denies letting himself or the ship sink.
      When stripping Popeye of his self-reliance and put in the Navy, he felt like a coward, especially when dealing with authority figures bullying him, which also goes against his character. In fact, it wasn’t Famous Studios that made Popeye change his wardrobe for who knows how long, it was Fleischer Studios itself that made Popeye stuck in that outfit up until the company was changed to Famous Studios.
      2. People then and now are too afraid to draw the line on taking abuse… by that, I mean they’re projecting their problems on a character that not only doesn’t exist, but is meant to show the audience that we shouldn’t let corrupt people have the final say; a lesson we should take to heart, if 2016 to 2024 taught us anything. Is it right to let someone like Popeye, a character meant to be fearless, take the abuse because someone doesn’t like him to fight, with or without Spinach?
      Granted, Popeye prior to the 1940s had his fair share of weaknesses, but it’s a code of honor he would have to follow, unless someone were to interfere with it, which is rare. One example is that he’s not allowed to attack a woman directly; one time, he spanked Olive Oyl, but it’s because she wouldn’t stop insulting Poopdeck Pappy, who happens to be Popeye’s father. Popeye also had to deal with the Sea Hag, who is actually a more prominent character in the comics, a morality code’s worst enemy because she’s a witch and is evil.
      As a Christian, it’s hard not to take harmful insults, or hold back urges, we just need to know where to draw the line on it. Popeye may be aggressive, but he’s not without heart.

  • @p96822
    @p96822 7 месяцев назад +2

    I grew up on famous Popeye when I was a young lad, and I still think like the show is good. Even though it does have some clip shows here and there.

  • @jacobturner3059
    @jacobturner3059 7 месяцев назад +6

    You should consider making a video about the Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry cartoons and why they’re so poorly made at some point. The Gene Deitch era is known as the dark age of Tom and Jerry for good reason.
    EDIT: alright, so I messed up. When I called it the "dark age of Tom and Jerry,"
    I wasn’t saying it was objectively the worst era. Although I do think the Gene Deitch era was the worst theatrical Tom and Jerry shorts, Filmation’s Tom and Jerry Comedy Show is probably the worst for Tom and Jerry in the television department.

    • @entityontheinternet
      @entityontheinternet 7 месяцев назад +2

      He doesn´t do Requests outside of Patreon

    • @abdullahibouraleh6919
      @abdullahibouraleh6919 7 месяцев назад +1

      Gene Deitch's Tom and Jerry era is the most overhated cartoon era beside Post-2004 SpongeBob.

    • @monterrang1
      @monterrang1 7 месяцев назад +1

      whoever thinks the deitch era was the worse should get a look at filmation's tom & jerry

  • @Andya-ks4bz
    @Andya-ks4bz 7 месяцев назад +5

    The only one partaking in short films is Pixar.

    • @Nick-ty9us
      @Nick-ty9us 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, they’re the only studio left. Still making theatrical shorts for theaters

  • @magnetoonproductions9541
    @magnetoonproductions9541 7 месяцев назад +4

    Most recent Popeye adventures haven’t really been good. They’re much safer, more boring and a lot less violent, especially that whole Island Adventures show.

  • @travisbrewer2268
    @travisbrewer2268 7 месяцев назад +1

    I discovered you not too long ago, keep going! I’ve been binging your content lately, and you’re so underrated. Keep up the great work! You’ll be noticed one day!

  • @DanzigFan-vq3zf
    @DanzigFan-vq3zf 7 месяцев назад +4

    Nice little video. My only real pet peeve with it is how you pronounced Kneitel. It’s Nigh-tail. Not Knee-til. Otherwise, it’s a fine video summarizing what happened to popeye’s cartoon career. Cartoon career btw. His comic career still went strong. Also, Sparber wasn’t fired as my acquaintance Noah Bossier said. But he ended up passing away in 1958

  • @snbsixteen6stars201
    @snbsixteen6stars201 7 месяцев назад +3

    I freaking loved famous cartoons
    I always watched hugos christmas short during the holidays, its peak nostalgic vhs vintage love even if there productions had lower bugets i remember them with nothing but fondness, i loved the simple slower pased popeye shorts
    Ofthen i dont really need big boombastic productions to be happy with cartoon just being cartoons, having fun with visuel gags and sutch

  • @entityontheinternet
    @entityontheinternet 7 месяцев назад +1

    Nice, a Follow Up to the Video that helped me get into the Channel

  • @Mibbitmaker
    @Mibbitmaker 7 месяцев назад +3

    The series charm was most evident in the 1936-38 period where Mercer's mumblings were best. It lost a bit of that going forward, but still classic. The wartime era picked up the pace, esp. when Famous started. The looney-tunesifacation had a whole charm of its own, esp. with Jim Tyer animation (Gordon worked him best, then Sparber). Besides keeping the navy whites after the war, the first sign of trouble was modernizing Olive's hairstyle. By the early '50s, Popeye lost his gums to these ugly (even for him!) giant teeth. Everyone what those. Awful style, plus the other changes discussed in the video.

  • @esseubot
    @esseubot 7 месяцев назад +2

    your channel is so good

  • @channelwarrior861
    @channelwarrior861 7 месяцев назад +1

    I remember this video was teaser trailered in your Dark Age Of Looney Tunes video

  • @usefulaccount1835
    @usefulaccount1835 7 месяцев назад

    I have been waiting for like 3 years more or less, thanks for this.

  • @tonycanabal1659
    @tonycanabal1659 7 месяцев назад +4

    The Paramount theatrical shorts were not that good near the end. The KFS tv shows were funny, but the greatest ones were by the Fleishers.

  • @avremirine8986
    @avremirine8986 7 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite of the WW2 propaganda Popeye shorts would be Spinach Fer Britain.

  • @JustinCoasters
    @JustinCoasters 7 месяцев назад +2

    Speaking of Gene, Since you've done Popeye and WB, Any plans for Tom & Jerry?

  • @ProfessorDreamer
    @ProfessorDreamer 7 месяцев назад +3

    Media Mementos can you an Anti Character Quest on D.W. from Arthur. Also can you do a Character Quest on Amity Blight from The Owl House.

  • @1977TA
    @1977TA 7 месяцев назад +3

    The 1950s Popeye cartoons are garbage. I was never a fan of Popeye being stuck in that all white Navy sailor uniform. I preferred the outfit he wore in the classic 1930s cartoons which he referred to in the 1981 live action movie as "Me dress blues." I understand the patriot mood in the 1940s and support of the war however after the war ended things should have gone back to normal. The 1950s cartoons were like a modest situation comedy. A far cry from fantastic adventures such as "SinBad the Sailor." What happened to Fleischer Studios is sad. They were a very good animation studio in their early years, one capable of being serious competition for Disney.

  • @spinsbum
    @spinsbum 7 месяцев назад +4

    Neat

  • @darthgoku90
    @darthgoku90 7 месяцев назад +1

    Popeye and Bugs Bunny have always been my favorite classic cartoon characters. Too bad Popeye's not nearly as popular as he used to be. I guess his style of solving his problems with his fists isn't very PC anymore, in spite of all the superhero movies we've had since his heyday. WB could've probably created their own Cinematic Universe for Looney Tunes, Popeye, Droopy, Tom and Jerry since they've owned the rights to all of them since they acquired Turner Broadcasting in 1996, but instead they just keep their focus on DC Comics to try and keep up with the MCU. I guess action makes more money at the box office than comedy, even though Popeye the Sailor has always been both action and comedy.

  • @Musicradio77Network
    @Musicradio77Network 7 месяцев назад

    The majority of the theatrical Popeye cartoons was distributed to TV. AAP was the one that distributed the pre-1948 WB cartoons to syndication. UM&M and NTA was originally planned to distributed the Popeye cartoons along with the other Paramount cartoons like “Screen Songs” and “Noveltoons”, but it wasn’t until AAP picked up and distributed the Popeye cartoons to TV right up until it was bought by United Artists in 1959 where it remained until the 1970’s.

  • @felixleidig8307
    @felixleidig8307 7 месяцев назад

    tobehonest Popeye kinda lives from the love triangle format

  • @arturogranados1133
    @arturogranados1133 7 месяцев назад

    Dude this is a childhood dream--a deep dive of popeye cartoons. I never had anyone to talk to about Popeye because none of my friends liked old cartoons too. I always like the earlier b&w shorts and the mini-movies done in the old style--such as Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves and Aladdin. But I never cared for the "newer" ones--still made in the 50's. I just didn't like the voice of Popeye that much and thought that the plots were not as compelling as the old b&w shorts. And I also did not care for the look of the character. The old Fischer cartoons are still so dear to my heart. Thank you for making this video.

  • @CJBStudios
    @CJBStudios 7 месяцев назад +7

    I didn’t know Popeye had theatrical shorts.

    • @I_WANT_MY_SLAW
      @I_WANT_MY_SLAW 7 месяцев назад +6

      Popeye existed in comic form. Then animated form.

    • @CJBStudios
      @CJBStudios 7 месяцев назад

      @@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Huh, I think I remember learning that they were comics at one point in time.

  • @Angie2343
    @Angie2343 7 месяцев назад +4

    @MediaMomentos Can you do a Sonic Underground review?

    • @timey_103
      @timey_103 7 месяцев назад +1

      He doesn't do reviews anymore

    • @entityontheinternet
      @entityontheinternet 7 месяцев назад +5

      He doesn´t do Requests outside of Patreon

    • @Angie2343
      @Angie2343 7 месяцев назад

      @@entityontheinternet Awwwww

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 4 месяца назад

    While I've studied these older cartoons and have tremendous respect for the pioneers of animation, none of them have ever appealed to me. I think I just prefer dramatic stories animated v comedy even in modern styles.

  • @sopebarrofficial3557
    @sopebarrofficial3557 6 месяцев назад

    Man I got pissed off when they replaced Popeye for emojis

  • @itsjoshua2508
    @itsjoshua2508 7 месяцев назад +4

    Hello

  • @chigginnuggie7681
    @chigginnuggie7681 7 месяцев назад +1

    Can you do a character analysis on the different versions of Veruca Salt?

  • @matthewfarmer2520
    @matthewfarmer2520 7 месяцев назад

    I have the 75th anniversary Popeye on dvd by Good time video, there are 4 Jewel cases with 3 that do 10 cartoon shorts but the 4th one does 5 with a bonus feature.

  • @tolfan4438
    @tolfan4438 4 месяца назад

    one of my earliest memories are the pop eye knife fork spoon set that i learned how to eat with. the summer of love 67

  • @mr.pavone9719
    @mr.pavone9719 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love the original Fleischer films but the Famous Films cartoons suck ass.

  • @frankreads8618
    @frankreads8618 3 месяца назад

    I just assumed Popeye was always in the Navy?

  • @montanajackson3713
    @montanajackson3713 7 месяцев назад

    Sony still should’ve made that popeye movie instead of one about emojis.

  • @ridensroom6957
    @ridensroom6957 7 месяцев назад

    Popeye gets you, as long as you don't get with his Olive Oil. She's his number one goyle.

  • @Paulmcvicker
    @Paulmcvicker Месяц назад

    2:32

  • @Cereal_Killer007
    @Cereal_Killer007 14 дней назад

    Fun Fact: Popeye was based on a real life person

  • @Autistic_BabyAlive_mom_reboot
    @Autistic_BabyAlive_mom_reboot 6 месяцев назад

    After rewatching some of these old episodes I wonder how old Popeye is because he has no teeth and olive looks to young while he looks to old.
    Guess it really doesn't matter if there both adults

  • @felixleidig8307
    @felixleidig8307 7 месяцев назад +3

    how can you forgt talking abut HB Popeye ?

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  7 месяцев назад +2

      Because that came decades after this.

    • @felixleidig8307
      @felixleidig8307 7 месяцев назад +1

      sure but in the end you referecned both bad Popeye works the 60s show and the live action movie but you forgot to mention the good show and the HB Show was clearly good i loft it as a little boy@@mediamementosofficial

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@felixleidig8307 I haven’t seen it.

    • @felixleidig8307
      @felixleidig8307 7 месяцев назад +1

      wow....okay@@mediamementosofficial

    • @DennisTamayo
      @DennisTamayo 7 месяцев назад +1

      I watched it on Cartoon Network as a kid.

  • @charlesbennett7484
    @charlesbennett7484 7 месяцев назад

    I yam what I yam an' that's all what I yam!

  • @theconqueringram5295
    @theconqueringram5295 7 месяцев назад +1

    What a spectacular fall.

  • @lucaspadilla4815
    @lucaspadilla4815 7 месяцев назад +2

    The Famous Studios cartoons were bland vanilla blandness

  • @SupremeLeader2011
    @SupremeLeader2011 6 месяцев назад

    can you review oggy and the cockroaches

  • @theroaringroxyretiredproje9510
    @theroaringroxyretiredproje9510 7 месяцев назад +1

    Yeqq🎉🎉🎉

  • @thequintanashow5058
    @thequintanashow5058 7 месяцев назад +1

    Well…. Mickey Mouse is pretty much now just a Park Host ….