Marlin Model 60, Take 2, Results of Performing the "Nickel Trick"
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- A follow up to my last Model 60 video, during which we had numerous failures to eject. Many of you recommended trying the "Nickel Trick". I did so, and these are the results.
Thank you, everyone!
I switched to CCI high velocity, both round and hollow points. All the feeding and ejection problems went away in mine. I have a older glenfield, marlin m60 with the squirrel stock and JM marked barrel. It had been in the safe for years. (30+) I took it out after watching your videos, gave it a good cleaning. It was a jam fest with Winchester and Remington. But the CCI's saved the day. I forget just how accurate this little .22 was. Brought back fond memories of my Dad teaching his boys how to shoot. Thanks for your videos, and bringing a smile back to an old man's face.
Thanks for your feedback and sharing your experience! I’ll try some CCI high velocity.
I agree with all of the comments regarding the CCI ammo. I’ve never had a feed or ejection problem with those. My rifle does not like unplated ammo and it will jam occasionally with them. I bought it in the late 70s and it was my first firearm.
This is my personal favorite .22 rifle. I own 8 of them and have owned 18 plus from old to new over the years. Never had an issue with them except for one. It didnt like to feed a certain ammo and i polished the feed ramp and kept it clean and it worked fine. Maybe ive been lucky but they have always been a reliable and accurate rifle for me.
Good to know!
I agree! I'm not sure how many 22s I have....at least a dozen from semiautomatic, bolt, lever action and pump. I don't know what the purpose of this video was, other than to demonstrate how the presenter is clueless about semiautomatic 22lr
@@justanobserver530 well, by all means, please clue us in with the knowledge gleaned from your vast experience.
@@SuburbanRifleman I would need to work on that marlin myself to determine exactly what is wrong BUT, there isn't an owner of a marlin 60 that doesn't know that standard velocity will likely not cycle the bolt yet you select the worst possible ammo to see if you "fixed the issue.....seriously? I believe this is the first one of your videos I've seen but from what I saw, I would never value your advice on any firearms.
Again, I would have to inspect the rifle myself but from the issue I saw in the video I would suspect a bent bolt spring, damaged buffer or worn loading ramp. Any of these three things will cause the issue I saw. Extractor could cause the issue but I have never seen one go bad on a marlin 60. I've seed extractors go bad on many other 22 rifles and pistols but not model 60
@@justanobserver530 as I said at the very beginning, this was a follow-up to an earlier video, in which I was having ejection issues.
I didn’t feel the need to reiterate that I’d already inspected the buffer, replaced the kinked recoil spring with a brand-new one and thoroughly cleaned and lubricated the rifle.
I assume when you write, the “loading ramp”, you’re referring to the feedthroat. The feedthroat is of the older two-piece design but it’s in good condition and not terribly worn. I’ve recently discovered a source for the newer one-piece design. I will be replacing it.
I clearly stated in both videos that the Marlin Model 60, as well as most other autoloading rimfires, prefer high-velocity ammo.
I’ve documented failures in this rifle with both high-velocity and hypervelocity ammo. The only ammo that ran flawlessly was round nose standard-velocity CCI.
But it’s common knowledge that will likely not cycle the bolt, right?
I couldn’t care less if you would ever value my advice on any firearms because you seem incapable of listening or absorbing information anyway.
I worked as a gunsmith for many years and the most common feed problem was the ammunition. They seemed to like heavier high velocity ammo the best. The bulk buy cheap ammo was hit or miss because of load quality. The cheap ammo in a bolt action would always throw a larger group.
I posted this on your other video as well, I was dealing with the same issues as your model 60 and now runs like new.
""Number one reason these Model 60's suffer from double feeding and failure to eject is due to 2 tiny spots on the receiver end that the bolt slides into that allows the extractor to grab the spent cartridge.
When you take it apart, look at the bolt where the extractor is, line it up with the receiver, carbon builds up on the two little holes not allowing the to get a proper grip to pull out the shell casing.
Use a good solvent and a pick and clean that out, you gun will run like new."
I did this with my old 1980 Glenfield 60. Worked like a charm. Everything worked, CCI standard velocity, Mimi Mags, Stingers, Aguila, Winchester
I have 9 m60 rifles. All will run ANY standard or high velocity ammo I feed it. The exception of one that had lifter issues and feed ramp that was a little rough. I fixed the issues and not it too will run anything. I'd put any of mine up against any 10/22 out there and run just as good. You need a little tuning on yours. Check lifter spring and check the lobs and ramp.
I will do all of those things.
Thanks!
Lucky you! I've tuned, cajoled and fiddled w/my M60 (circa '80 model) for years and have given up on it and threw it in some corner of the attic. It's a darn shame because it's so very accurate. I've been shooting an A22 in lieu and although not as accurate, enormously more pleasurable because it's reliable. I should part out the M60 or perhaps to scrap. Would love to find a bolt action model to replace it with.
@@Lt_Tragg please don't schedule scrap,can I have it.
The newer model 60's are not the same quality firearms as the older ones. As long as you keep them clean, they will run like a champ with any ammo, and out shoot most other rifles in their price range.
No problems out of my 2018 model , gave videos uploaded
@@alabamaoutdoors4468 it's bologna what he's saying lol.
Mines a early 70s and has never had a problem. I could take It to Ukraine and win the war for em but it's too cold for me up there
This comment is half correct but it Depends on how new. Marlin had been sold to a few different companies and quality went down for awhile but currently they aren't too bad
I never have had that issue . Mine has shot fine for many year . But , I am going to remember this if I ever buy another that has an issue .
I heard if you loosen the screw on the forend it can help eleviate pressure on the mag tube and prevent failure to feed
Interesting. I’ll try it.
The "gold standard" for me has always been CCI Mini Mag's. They run 100% in all of my semi auto's. Even the Sig Mosquito.
Great vid. Cool dude. Love the indoor/outdoor shooting range!!
Thank you!
It’s a wonderful facility.
I have two Glenfields and both had eject issues. Did the nickle trick and they wouldn't feed anything. I realized the Lifter/Ejector spring on the '76 (mine) was mangled and replaced it. I took out some of the nickle trick on the '79 (wife's) and now they both run great on HV ammo. Just bought new recoil springs and buffers to have on hand when the time comes.
They are total tack drivers.
Thanks for those tips!
@@SuburbanRifleman You becha! If you haven't see em yet, check out Mr Tolly's and Cumberland Outdoors' 60 videos. Some of the best out there.
So when my gun starts acting up I do this really weird trick. I clean and lube it.
Hopefully not only when it starts acting up?
And what do you do when it still acts up?
Aren't you the wild one
I have a 1968 Glenfield. That I got broken for next to nothing. I replaced all the springs with MCARBO springs, high velocity recoil spring, trigger kit, updated to the newer feed throat, new lifter, and new buffer. It’s a beast now shoots small groups, has not met an ammo it won’t eat, and has a 2.5lb trigger to boot. Give it a whirl it may work for you. This adds up price wise though so beware, but I got the rifle so cheap it was worth it.
Where did you get the trigger kit?
Hi you lucky dude. Where did you find a feed throat?
Thats a damm nice shooting house your in. Never seen an outdoor range like that.
It’s a beautiful facility. My dad’s club up in Maine. Winters are pretty nasty up there.
I'm sure you telling me this solved my problem I was having with my marlin. I'll be testing it this weekend
Put some CCI mini mags in it and call it a day. I bought mine new in 1988. 17 round tube and last shot bolt hold open. Have literally put a few thousand through it with the only issues being when it's REALLY dirty. Like 300-400 rounds dirty. CCI will run it every time without fail.
Good to know!
Ludicrous to only be able to run 1 specific ammo in a gun - not worth having.
I have a model 60 squirrel stock that had the same problem with the Winchester ammo but it loves CCI. My dad bought it from K mart and he told me to only used CCI in the gun.
I had similar results with the Glenfield model 60's. My problem was the old style feed throat. It was a 2 piece design and held together by a rivet. I did the feed throat conversion and that issue went away. I then also did a Mcarbo trigger kit to help the trigger pull for improving accuracy. Mcarbo also has springs for recoil in stock and hyper velocity. 22 ammo has changed alot over the years and I find that brands of past are not performing the same. But that being said I can run just about any brand of bulk ammo in the older Glenfield and have an occasional FTF, FTE, FTL issues. I also cleaned up and polished rough factory machine work. My experience with these models have been fix the ejection first, that will cause most of the problems. Good luck happy plinking.
Thanks for your input!
I’m planning on installing a new-style feed throat. Haven’t got around to it quite yet. I’m familiar with M*carbo but I haven’t investigated their Model 60 parts. I’ll take a look.
Thanks again!
@@SuburbanRifleman Don't waste your money with the Mcarbo kit. It didn't really help mine at all. I'm continuing to have the same issues you have. Honestly, the only thing worth anything on the M60 is the barrel (superb), but breech back is junk in contrast. Great vid! Thanks for posting.
@@Lt_Tragg thanks for the insight! I don’t think I’m going to spend any more money on this other than possibly a new style feed throat.
@@SuburbanRifleman Indeed. That's the only thing I've not changed. I did polish it up however. No joy. I've been enjoying the Savage A22 I picked up so much a few yrs ago, I've not looked back. I would like to pick up a bolt action 22 however someday. Good luck and thanks for your excellent content.
Man, those Russian Junior’s smoke like a black powdered rifle lol.
😂 Yeah. They’re pretty filthy.
Ive got that rifle with some kind of golden trigger kit on it. Ive got a box of those steel cartridge Russian in green box too. They jam in my bolt action Stevens every time. It has something to do with it being steel instead of brass.
I've been lucky. In over 50 years of shooting a boxcar of various rounds through several model 60s and one model 75 I owned, I can't remember any malfunctions.
I’m not sure what exactly is your problem. I saw your first video when you had problems also. I purchased a user model 60 at gun show and have put Remington golden bullets, Winchester regular and super X, Federal target and even Aguila standard long rifle through it. I’m not sure if you said if yours is an older model or a newer one, but I specifically found an older model with the 17 + 1 capacity magazine tube those are the ones before Marlin shortened it so they could sell them in states that banned the higher capacity magazines. I’ve watched numerous videos and not seen one with your problem. I hope someone more savvy than I have can help you. Don’t give up, the model 60 is an accurate great rifle.
Thanks! I think the next step is fitting a new-style feed throat. Yes, mine is the old-style 18 rounder.
I have two just like his and have the same problem
I've tried everything for years on my '80 model and it's still a piece of shit breech back. I'm thinking parting it out on ebay.
I didn't know there is ejection issues with the Model 60. I got a used one that didn't function well (worn extractor etc.) and bought a used bolt on ebay and it runs fine ever since. I do clean it regularly with use. I just put a different scope as I am trying to get it to shoot as accurately as my first Model 60 that I gave to my nephew.
The problem comes from the ejector getting bent when people install the action without locking the bolt back, when reassembling.
You need some high velocity ammo like the cci blazer or the cci minimag high velocity round nose. Standard velocity of any kind and winchester all suck. You might get the cci standard to work alright, but it will eventually fail to eject and misfire on occasion.
Nevermind what I just said, had all sorts of problems with the cci mini mag hollow points. Problems with federal champion and problems with winchester bulk.
Any gun that won't run virtually anything your throw in it is not a gun worth having.
I've owned a model 60 for 40yrs. Stick with cci ammo and you'll be fine, it's the only 22 brand that I've never had a problem with.
Every semi-auto I've ever had, has been problematic and high maintenance,which lessens the pleasure of recreational shooting.
My 'go-to' for plinking is my Browning lever action .22.
Yeah they're great aren't they the BL 22 I bought mine in the late '80s and I wouldn't part with it so reliable
You have the old two piece feed throat. I have fixed a good 20+ of these with the same problem by doing the feed throat conversion to the newer style. Then it will feed anything.
I bought the new feed throat but I haven’t had a chance to install it yet. Do you grind down the additional pegs or drill holes in the rails?
@@SuburbanRifleman You can do either. You also need the updated lifter and spring.
@@corey5109 cool, thanks! I didn’t know about the lifter and spring.
I think that bending the spring offset is a big mistake. The spring height is a nickel. That spring sits on a cut out on the feed throat and is perched on a small groove which faces straight ahead, not offset toward the ejection port. By offsetting the spring you are blocking the clearance of the round on the lifter and preventing the proper presentation of the bullet on the lifter. Bend for height, and drop the tail of that spring straight ahead, not toward the ejection port. That will allow the lifter to be unblocked and do the job of feeding.
Could be a few issues, most probably that old ammo, try polishing the feed ramp, if you see any tool marks ( from the manufacturing process) they must be smoothed out with fine grit paper 600 or so and polished like chrome.
The amount of smoke with those Juniors was quite a lot.
Yup. They are really terrible. I bought a ton of those during a long-forgotten ammo shortage. They actually shoot okay in some of my manually operated firearms but I’ve never seen any other ammo that was so dirty and greasy.
I have the same gun..it absolutely will not run the Winchester ammunition but is perfect with the cci
Good to know.
Thanks!
All I shoot is cci mini mag and stinger, not sure if it's the gun or ammo related but I clean and lube the 22 hardcore, more lube on it then more then the rest of my gun
I just bought a stainless one and believe I actually got lucky as I've tested it dry with bulk ammo, 2 full tubes with no issues. I'm coming from a mossberg so it's a wonderful feeling
I grew up shooting a Marlin 60 and then I called it the jamamatic rifle. Today I'd have no trouble fixing it. I was using cheap old nasty ammo back in the day. When I moved to gun friendly Florida I was going to buy a new Marlin 60 but that memory haunted me. Opted for a Marlin XT bolt action 22LR rifle. My semi auto 22LR is a conversion unit I use in my AR15 and it works great even with CCI standard velocity.
I’ve got a CMMG conversion unit that runs flawlessly in my AR as well.
I have a new model marlin 60 and you have to drop the bolt with a bolt release and then sling the bolt back to pick up the first round.
I've been shooting the crappest stuff I could find for going on 30 years with my m-60 and just last year started having probs with it jamming. I did the nickel fix but haven't had time to try it out yet. But I'm hopful lol
Good luck! I love this rifle but I wish it was 100% reliable.
I bought some Winchester ammo and it gave me nothing but problems in my model 60
I’ll have to try some of the Federal stuff I have.
Late to stop back in here. You have the old style split feed throat as did mine. The new spring only worked for a short time then feed issues again. Dropped a new style (one piece) feed throat and it runs like new again. Numrich 45 bucks.
I’ll have to check with Numrich again. Last I checked, I couldn’t find a new-style feed ramp. I’d really like to get one.
@@SuburbanRifleman They just started carrying them again. Found out about it at Rimfire Central I think Ruger (maybe?) is making repro parts now. It'll have 4 lugs instead of 3 so just dremel the one off that doesn't have a hole in the side plate.
@@maineiacoutdoors689 cool! Thanks for that! I’ll go get one right now.
I've seen several say nickel was too much. Should be about a penny up and a penny over. Fixed mine anyway.
Hmmm… interesting. Thanks for the tip!
?? I don't know what the goal of this video is? Is it to try and demonstrate that the presenter doesn't know anything or that the marlin 60 isn't reliable...to people who don't know anything about guns?
There are several things that could be wrong with the marlin, recoil spring, buffer is broken, feed ramp worn etc but grabbing the worst ammo you could possibly find just proves you don't know anything about the marlin. Semiautomatic 22lr rifles or pistols almost always require high velocity ammo. Why would you select standard velocity?
I don’t know what the goal of this comment is? Is it to demonstrate that the commenter didn’t actually watch the video, in which the presenter actually addressed most of the points the commenter made?
Mine was made in 1984. It won't eject CCI Stingers. Winchester and Remingtons are fine .
I’m having a lot of issues where the bolt just sticks open and doesn’t load in the next round. Everytime I have to hold the bolt hold open down and it will fire reliably every time
Winchester is the gold standard really more like the pyrite standard
I just replaced the ejection/ lifter spring on my model 60.
They get weak after a while.
A poorly done video; I hate to be critical. You didn't even show the target hits. Do it again and come back better prepared.
Do you though?
Mine shoots everything except the .22 LR Norma Eco Speed. Jams it up. I think it does that because they're shorter in size, in comparison to a regular round nose. 🤷🏻♂️
Good to know, I was thinking about trying that but now I’ll pass on that. Thanks!
Got the gun fired one tube of ammo on the second tube the first shoot fired then the trigger did not reset have to empty the gun just jacking in another round will not set the trigger but empty it reload and it fires that first round then no trigger on the second round clear it no trigger on third round empty it no trigger on any round until you reload then it fires the first round anyone know how to fix this problem ?
Hopefully someone will know the answer.
Clean your rifle well, then Buy CCI ammo! That fixed my ejection problem!
don't buy naked lead ammo. I only buy the copper-coatedd rounds.
nice gun !
That Russian ammo seems very smokey. It appears you may be in possession of a lemon.. I’m like you though , I like to fix stuff.. usually I can make a firearm run but sometimes you just gotta say
"Where’s my 10/22?" Another good video amigo.. always happy when I see you have a new one.
Posso usar a munição magino
Hook up a dynamic microphone like an SM58. Echo is killing my ears. Get as close to the source as possible.
I jinxed myself. Just picked mine up and it does the same thing...lol NOOOOOO! I need to test some more ammo before I try to fix it.
You're not the only one. I've thrown enormous time and money (parts) and it's still garbage. Be wary, it can be a money pit and well as a time suck. Seems takes some sort of voodoo magic to make the M60 run as well as the others.
I use silicon spray and mine will run anything through it
It proves you need a feed throat upgrade.
I’ve been trying to find a new-style feed throat.
So what's the status on yours? Did you ever fix the problem?
The “Nickel Trick” definitely fixed the ejection issues. It’s still not 100% though. I’ve heard there is a difference between the old-style and new-style feed ramps that improves feeding with some types of ammo. I may try to fit one of the newer feed ramps to my Model 60 and see if that fixes the feeding problems with some ammo. I’ll post another video if/when that happens.
@@SuburbanRiflemanMy problem is the failure to feed. When I try to rack the slide, the round turns sideways a little and misses the chamber. I'm hoping that the gun just needs a good cleaning. I'd hate to have to buy parts for a gun that w2as supposed to be in good condition. Either way, it would be worth fixing. It feels really nice when it actually works. Love the wood stock and sleek feel of the tube fed type rifle. Mine is the newer version, with the 18 round tube, and last round hold open. Think it is one of the rarer 1985 crossbreeds.
Yeah gold standard my a--
😂😂😂
Weak mag tube spring.
Most of the America 22 rifles are junk guns only
What do you prefer?
@@SuburbanRiflemanMost of the whole world only says A K right A K rifles ever never jammed like other kind of juns right
@@yingxiong7716 yes. The Kalashnikov is a very reliable platform. I would hope that any gas-operated, centerfire, military rifle would be more reliable than a blowback, rimfire, hunting rifle.
I don’t know what country of origin has to do with it.
Could have just bought a Ruger 10/22....
… But not for $65.
Borrrringgg
@@moosestache1769 😂
Marlin 60 Squirrel stock rifles are cool
@@mikesal8088 I agree.
Don't buy marlin sixty that's the problem
Not shooting just pulling trigger heck.it stuck in the rest .a monkey could pull trigger .
I wouldn’t know. I’m not in the habit of giving loaded guns to monkeys.