Shirdel. This took me a few days to finish between work and stuff, but my goodness. This is a masterpiece. Thank you for all of the work you put into this. THIS is truly the standard. Proud to be subbed to you man
I think one of the more useful aspects of this list is how it delves into the interplay of how moves in Tekken work, or the "rules" as you called them, and how these moves represent a significant enough departure from that to be noteworthy.
I'm only 15 minutes in and I'm in shock that this doesn't have more views. The video is well crafted and clearly took a ton of effort. It also taught me things I didn't know about previous games!
@@Slav69k lol .. Tekken has more than double the number of players mortal Kombat has on steam Tekken has 6k active players .. mk has 2.5k .. even though tekken 7 is a 6 year old game while mk is much more recent (3 year old) .. now pick which one is dead 😂
Excellent video, but I gotta say 2nd most broken move: easy zero to death loop, banned from tournaments 1st most broken move: "it wasn't *completely* busted"
The reason why The number one move is that way is because imagine a unblockable juggle combo with nasty damage coming from a game where juggle combos and regular combos have been nerfed. Plus you can't really backdash to get away from him Sense movement has been nerfed in that game
As a kid, Nina and Anna's "f,f+4" was the bane of my playthroughs. That and Jack/Prototype Jack/Kuma/Ganryu's "Hammer Rush" where if the first hit connects, the other four are essentially guaranteed.
I agree Just Frame Lazer Scraper is top 2, but I feel Tekken 5 Steve 3 1 1 was worse because it was literally a win the game button with no effort. Being able to step and then do it for extra movement just made it even easier to catch someone with.
@@Raver-1601 well to be fair the JFLS wasn't banned cuz technically it kinda impossible to ban it cuz unlike Steve's infinite its a normal string while Steve's infinite comes from a stance so you can just ban the stance
@@tcbbctagain572 I disagree, banning the stance is much more difficult and ruining to a character because you ban multiple moves instead of just one. Banning JFLC would be as simple as banning the Just Frame, not the string or even the unblockable.
@@shiekastate well in Steve's case, banning the stance didn't really ruin or hurt him did it 😂 Btw as far as im concerned that stance in tekken 5 only had 2 moves, 1 was basically useless the other was the infinite, so you really didn't ban multiple moves. While for jin if you're gonna ban a string you might as well just ban the character. At the end of the day both were quite ridiculously broken that broke the game, pick your poison
Balanced games tend to give everyone a tool you’d want. Good tools being removed is a sign of an unbalanced game because someone will always get lucky in that regard compared to making sure everyone has at least one move on contention for best in the game.
as much as this video is about a year old or so, it's great to see a list as long and as detailed as this. tha passion for the game is shown and the jokes land well and rewards someone who actually watches rather than just putting it in the background and listening to the details.
I honestly miss Laser Scraper/Annihilator.. not that I actually use it much. I just love the T3 Movement Animation. As much as I loved T5, I was really bummed out that Jin replaced a Majority of his fighting Move/ments on there.
I think Tekken 7 Dragunov's 3,1 into Sneak deserved to be on at least honorable mentions, it was only available for two weeks but gave Dragunov probably the best wall carry in the game.
Although lei's new sna 4,1 is really good, it's not a forced 50/50 launch mix on hit like you say. It's only +4 so it can be interrupted by a dickjab on hit which adds a third option to the mix.
Tekken 2 Bruce was busted. His strings did a lot of damage and were natural most of the time. His f 4,3,4 or b, 4,3,4 enders did insane damage because damage scaling still wasn't that much of a thing in T2. He was a beast in T2 and the redesign (replacement) into Bryan was pretty well received.
Kind of surprised my beloved Kazumi's original df1 wasn't even at the bottom. From what I've heard and seen, that move had way more range than a safe mid poke should.
wow a 2 hour video on only tekken moves. this isnt a thing i thought i wanted but im all here for it. the only op moves i really know about jins op lazer scraper from 4, kings df,1 in tekken 1 and steves infinite in tekken 5. really cool hearing about other op moves i didnt know about.
This is an exceptionally well-produced video. Don’t know when it’ll happen but hope the algo picks it up and sends it well into half a million views and beyond.
Amazing video brother man. Great quality as always. Please keep up the competitive history as well. One of my favorite series. I would love a Kazuya,Marduk, and Paul
Against top #3 there is simple solution plug at loading screen when you see these characters remember when they touch you from jump they deal 100% dmg to you but when you somehow attack them while they are in the air they take reduced dmg how is that fair ?
Excellent video mate! Having competed in Tekken 3, and subsequently dropping off and only playing Tekken casually since, this is quite fascinating to watch. Tekken has really changed over the years. Not always for the better.
I felt so accomplished for some reason when I guessed 7 out of the top 10 lmao Amazing video btw - Really wish this had more views. Must've taken ages to make!
Bellísimo trabajo. Me fascina ver una investigación tan profunda y elaborada. Agradezco mucho por colaborar con una labor tan encomiable para la comunidad de Tekken. Eres grande, bro. Saludos desde Perú
Everyone who's been a part of making this video deserves respect man! I think LAW'S DRAGON TAIL deserved to be on the list too. But pretty good list! 🔥🤘🏼
What an incredibly well put together video. I had my guess, and I was surprised it ended up as number 2 instead of number 1, since there's still defense options against number 1.
@@yoshimallow This is my question too. Because getting used to a just frame move definitely takes a lot more time, patience and effort to master than a well-timed sidestep whiff punish, let alone a sidestep move that leads to a guaranteed KO. So I agree; while T4 JFLS is busted, T5 DS is even more so in my opinion.
IIRC, #48 (Lei 6.0 BT d+1) also became really safe on block by holding f to turn. F still turns 1 frame faster than B. I forget how safe this made it, but I think most characters couldn't launch him from it on block at least. I wish I had a T6.0 to test (and a TTT2.0 machine for that matter).
I often wonder how many moves will be exempt of any publicity due to how impractical it is to access and research the original revisions of T6, Tag 2 and T7. Hell, maybe even some specific revisions of T7 FR too. As a Yoshi main, I hear 6.0 was where flash had it’s biggest hitbox in any Tekken so far and would love to explore how much more it could punish.
Leroy doing the Ip Man hands on a fucking chainsaw is just hysterical. Slowly working my way through this a bit at a time. This is absolute gold, super entertaining and easy to watch.
I agree with jfls as number 1. It was an insane move for a character that already had a parry, in a game heavily geared towards poking, and out side of side walking, movement was extremely limited, you couldn't get a away from anything laterally. T4 was about close combat, and plus frames if you character had them outside of jabs. What a ride!
Nope number two is actually quite tricky to set up you have to hold three sway at the same time then go to your left or somebody's back and if you don't do that it's counter hit only. While number one you can set up your entire game plan around one move and allows you to play mind games with another player which is totally more overpowering than just killing you on site you can literally just threats at the player and make a play lose mentally way before the game even starts
@Kayn Zero it's only steppable if you block the first two hits of jfls. The thing I think people really tend to forget is that most players have thin skin so even though they know it they probably won't do it.
Since jin's laser scraper has a counterplay and requires execution as explained by tran, why isn't the steve move number 1 since it has no counterplay and can be done anytime consistently? Love the video tho, sat down the whole evening to watch it
When I said redo Fighting Games over I wasn't talking about Remakes Reboots Remasters Updates Upgrades HD D.L.C & not Backwards Compabilities nor both ways
King's df1 in Tekken 1 deserved the number 1 spot, far more broken to be launched for blocking a df1 than anything else, at least Bruce's string can be low jabbed, King and AK's have literally no weakness, the only thing you could do was getting hit on purpose and pray to be out of range for another one
Bruce's jab strings are a guaranteed 2-hit KO on block (58 damage, a full health bar in T2 is 110), and by the way they're 8-frame. Preemptive duckjabs at midrange are at risk of getting tagged by Bruce's 3,2,1. Not saying King df1 is not stupid, but it's less guaranteed damage (on King, for sure; and AK cannot touch-of-death off a blocked df1 so it's still a 2HKO on block) and 6 frames slower so I understand why it ranked lower.
only this series would allow for a list this massive, and there was production value all the way throughout I think I managed to guess about half of the top 10, hard to disagree with aside from steve's plug and play infinite losing to jfls I kinda expected tekken 7.0's stature kick to appear too
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“When Geese is waking up, you’re in his Okizeme” I spit out my coffee
Not gonna lie, this video is amazing and well put together! Thanks
@@ehsun7822 Just let the man give a compliment god damn bro
Tekken Series can still be in Popularity Culture with just Main Canonical Storyline Fighting Game Franchise by just Namco
Shirdel. This took me a few days to finish between work and stuff, but my goodness. This is a masterpiece. Thank you for all of the work you put into this. THIS is truly the standard. Proud to be subbed to you man
I think one of the more useful aspects of this list is how it delves into the interplay of how moves in Tekken work, or the "rules" as you called them, and how these moves represent a significant enough departure from that to be noteworthy.
I'm only 15 minutes in and I'm in shock that this doesn't have more views. The video is well crafted and clearly took a ton of effort. It also taught me things I didn't know about previous games!
dead franchise
@@sashagreysfatass8439 its the biggest fighting game in the world?? What??
@@louiewag9343 yea tekken is kinda dead mortal Kombat is more famous
The value of this video is immense. It certainly has the documentary spirit.
@@Slav69k lol .. Tekken has more than double the number of players mortal Kombat has on steam
Tekken has 6k active players .. mk has 2.5k .. even though tekken 7 is a 6 year old game while mk is much more recent (3 year old) .. now pick which one is dead 😂
Excellent video, but I gotta say
2nd most broken move: easy zero to death loop, banned from tournaments
1st most broken move: "it wasn't *completely* busted"
Just goes to show Tekken 4 on top 🗣🗣🗣
The reason why The number one move is that way is because imagine a unblockable juggle combo with nasty damage coming from a game where juggle combos and regular combos have been nerfed. Plus you can't really backdash to get away from him Sense movement has been nerfed in that game
As a kid, Nina and Anna's "f,f+4" was the bane of my playthroughs.
That and Jack/Prototype Jack/Kuma/Ganryu's "Hammer Rush" where if the first hit connects, the other four are essentially guaranteed.
This is an incredibly well put video. I enjoyed it till the end.
EXCELLENT CONTENT! 10, 20 years from now it's going to be so cool to look back at this video
I agree Just Frame Lazer Scraper is top 2, but I feel Tekken 5 Steve 3 1 1 was worse because it was literally a win the game button with no effort. Being able to step and then do it for extra movement just made it even easier to catch someone with.
Yeah. There's a reason why JFLS isn't banned but 3 1 1 is banned
@@Raver-1601 well to be fair the JFLS wasn't banned cuz technically it kinda impossible to ban it cuz unlike Steve's infinite its a normal string while Steve's infinite comes from a stance so you can just ban the stance
At the end of the day it's basically pick your poison
@@tcbbctagain572 I disagree, banning the stance is much more difficult and ruining to a character because you ban multiple moves instead of just one. Banning JFLC would be as simple as banning the Just Frame, not the string or even the unblockable.
@@shiekastate well in Steve's case, banning the stance didn't really ruin or hurt him did it 😂
Btw as far as im concerned that stance in tekken 5 only had 2 moves, 1 was basically useless the other was the infinite, so you really didn't ban multiple moves.
While for jin if you're gonna ban a string you might as well just ban the character.
At the end of the day both were quite ridiculously broken that broke the game, pick your poison
Best part is how many guests you had on to give expert opinions. Excellent video!
Funny how "the most balanced tekken ever" occupies 36 spots out of 100 in this list
Yeah like damn near half the list has Tekken 7 moves which says a lot about the game to be honest
@@ikedatike2533 yeah, because half of them are nerfed XD
“If everyone’s broken, no one will be”
Balanced games tend to give everyone a tool you’d want. Good tools being removed is a sign of an unbalanced game because someone will always get lucky in that regard compared to making sure everyone has at least one move on contention for best in the game.
35:36 the wolf in the background ran over to devil Jin like: "Yo you good?!" 🤣
AK handcuffs are hilarious, lmfao. Excellent, well-put together video man!
The only thing I disagree with this list is that #1 and #2 should be swapped. Everything else is one of the greatest videos ever made.
I mean... We already knew that T5 Steve and T4 Jin will take the top 2 spots but it's interesting to find out what the other 98 were. Nice vid
Such a well made video, deserves recognition💯
as much as this video is about a year old or so, it's great to see a list as long and as detailed as this.
tha passion for the game is shown and the jokes land well and rewards someone who actually watches rather than just putting it in the background and listening to the details.
I honestly miss Laser Scraper/Annihilator.. not that I actually use it much. I just love the T3 Movement Animation. As much as I loved T5, I was really bummed out that Jin replaced a Majority of his fighting Move/ments on there.
I think Tekken 7 Dragunov's 3,1 into Sneak deserved to be on at least honorable mentions, it was only available for two weeks but gave Dragunov probably the best wall carry in the game.
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This video is incredibly well made, honestly a Top 5 Tekken video I've ever watched, thank you.
Although lei's new sna 4,1 is really good, it's not a forced 50/50 launch mix on hit like you say. It's only +4 so it can be interrupted by a dickjab on hit which adds a third option to the mix.
and to add onto this, TGR 2,2 is hardly hitconfirmable. but good video nonetheless!
They buffed it to +5 later.
Tekken 2 Bruce was busted. His strings did a lot of damage and were natural most of the time. His f 4,3,4 or b, 4,3,4 enders did insane damage because damage scaling still wasn't that much of a thing in T2. He was a beast in T2 and the redesign (replacement) into Bryan was pretty well received.
Kind of surprised my beloved Kazumi's original df1 wasn't even at the bottom. From what I've heard and seen, that move had way more range than a safe mid poke should.
Well the only thing that was absurd about her d/f1 was the range. The frames on both hit and block were the same as nowadays
@@tcbbctagain572 No it wasn't. It was -1 on block
I really appreciate the variety of different move explanations
Especially since I'm one of those who watched it I'm one sitting
You Sir, are a hidden Gem in the Tekken community!!
Amazing work!.. keep it up!!!!
Loved the Vid!!
👏 👏 👏
Holy shit dude this is quite the project! I LOVE that you did this! Great work!
bro joey talking about jacks fcdb1 kills me everytime. great video man, much love and take it easy.
Thank you for the video and your time. Had a really good time watching it.
I guessed the top 2 moves, but in the wrong order. Amazing video!!!
10 minutes in. Great way pacing the moves and explaining the brokenness. Lots of tekken knowledge I didn't know before. Keep it up!
wow a 2 hour video on only tekken moves. this isnt a thing i thought i wanted but im all here for it. the only op moves i really know about jins op lazer scraper from 4, kings df,1 in tekken 1 and steves infinite in tekken 5. really cool hearing about other op moves i didnt know about.
Wow, this is extremely underrated. Amazing content and quality!
Great video, i waswaiting for the 2 or so moves i knew to show up. Not surprised with how much the last T7 season DLC showed up.
This is an exceptionally well-produced video. Don’t know when it’ll happen but hope the algo picks it up and sends it well into half a million views and beyond.
18:21 oh man, I miss Steve's junkyard 😔
Great content btw. Awesome production value. Concepts that are thrown in the mix are really explained well 👌
This is the kind of video I dream to encounter, well pace and edited while being very long
I was right with number one :D. tanks for vid dude!
Wow, what a Research! Very nice video
Absolutely phenomenal video! Fantastic job!
Bless you for putting all the work into this
great focus on explaining why seemingly innocuous moves are overpowered while giving clearly annoying/OP moves less time
thought it very strange to see this pop up on my feed. great video, i hope youre doing well! -Damien.
Amazing video brother man. Great quality as always. Please keep up the competitive history as well. One of my favorite series. I would love a Kazuya,Marduk, and Paul
Against top #3 there is simple solution plug at loading screen when you see these characters remember when they touch you from jump they deal 100% dmg to you but when you somehow attack them while they are in the air they take reduced dmg how is that fair ?
i watched the entire thing, i love the interviews and the history behind some of them.
This kind of video sounds too good to be true, but here we are. Thank you so much! Subscribed
Excellent video mate!
Having competed in Tekken 3, and subsequently dropping off and only playing Tekken casually since, this is quite fascinating to watch. Tekken has really changed over the years. Not always for the better.
Just watched the whole video, you made a fantastic job.
Very well produced vid of my fav fighting game, well done bro
Nearly 2 hours? Damn.
This is some good stuff.
I cannöt believe I just have watched the whole thing in one go xD
Really good video. Thanks,
Thank you very much! This was very entertaining to watch. 2 hours well spent :)
I felt so accomplished for some reason when I guessed 7 out of the top 10 lmao
Amazing video btw - Really wish this had more views. Must've taken ages to make!
#2 and #1 need to switch.
It's amazing to see the TekInput font being used in such video. Glad to see it's being useful
You are a legend for making this video
Can't imagine how much work went into this.
Bellísimo trabajo. Me fascina ver una investigación tan profunda y elaborada. Agradezco mucho por colaborar con una labor tan encomiable para la comunidad de Tekken. Eres grande, bro. Saludos desde Perú
Never seen your channel before, great video, love seeing really high effort tekken content
that was the most original ad I ever saw :D thumbs up!
Fantastic video. It even gave me back some of my self-esteem, dignity and humanity when you confirmed those damn 2d jumps DO evade highs!
Fantastic video. Great deep dive into forgotten tech with really well done presentation.
This video is incredible and very fun to watch, thank you! I would love to see a cut of this with only tekken 7 moves
Everyone who's been a part of making this video deserves respect man! I think LAW'S DRAGON TAIL deserved to be on the list too. But pretty good list! 🔥🤘🏼
Crazy video. You always make quality stuff. Great video!
i usually forget that the Subscribe buttons exist, but when i saw 10.7k i couldn't let that stand, nice vidya man, you deserve more subs!
14:50 Gandido is so articulated. You cant almost hear no "Uhmm" or "ah"
Sick video mate, watching this for the second time now
Well done man! Amazing video 🔥
What an incredibly well put together video. I had my guess, and I was surprised it ended up as number 2 instead of number 1, since there's still defense options against number 1.
Exactly the same here. My reason being along the lines of comparative ease of execution.
Also In Tekken 10
@@DrEcho Wouldn't that mean that T5 Steve would take the top spot since it's relatively easy to do?
@@yoshimallow This is my question too. Because getting used to a just frame move definitely takes a lot more time, patience and effort to master than a well-timed sidestep whiff punish, let alone a sidestep move that leads to a guaranteed KO. So I agree; while T4 JFLS is busted, T5 DS is even more so in my opinion.
@@ArcienPlaysGamesThat and Jin's laser scraper had a SEMBLANCE of counterplay. Not Steve, though
Honestly I'm amazed no Kazumi appeared here, her d/f+1 use to horrify people iirc
2 hours of sheer work and honestly, that is the best yt video ive watched lately, sad it has only about 20k views
13:00 that man's tekken skill was so dangerous, they had to put a tracking biceplet on him
Nice. Found you because ICFC and the tekken iceberg video, thanks for the great content. Greetings from germany.
This is the Tekken content I like to see, this is awesome.
I wonder what Tekken 8 moves would be fitting here, I’m sure there’s at least 10-20 for sure
very poggers list, nice video dude
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Look how u say that mate ... just magical 🤣🤣
Great hard work! saw the entire video and loved it!
I guessed a few of the top 10 shoutout to TMM for that lore.
Amazing video. Great analysis and knowledge mixed with on-point humor. This was a fun watch
Awesome video. Favorite video of the week
IIRC, #48 (Lei 6.0 BT d+1) also became really safe on block by holding f to turn. F still turns 1 frame faster than B. I forget how safe this made it, but I think most characters couldn't launch him from it on block at least. I wish I had a T6.0 to test (and a TTT2.0 machine for that matter).
I often wonder how many moves will be exempt of any publicity due to how impractical it is to access and research the original revisions of T6, Tag 2 and T7. Hell, maybe even some specific revisions of T7 FR too.
As a Yoshi main, I hear 6.0 was where flash had it’s biggest hitbox in any Tekken so far and would love to explore how much more it could punish.
They ruined Lei Wulong by giving him Grey Hair with Stubble and New Outfit same did on Hwoarang & Ganryu
If you love Tekken, it's worth watching the whole thing.
Amazing work as always!
@1:02:30 : "...and if Bryan gets you to a wall? Well, we'll talk about that later."
*Me, evil laughing*
Leroy doing the Ip Man hands on a fucking chainsaw is just hysterical. Slowly working my way through this a bit at a time. This is absolute gold, super entertaining and easy to watch.
I agree with jfls as number 1. It was an insane move for a character that already had a parry, in a game heavily geared towards poking, and out side of side walking, movement was extremely limited, you couldn't get a away from anything laterally. T4 was about close combat, and plus frames if you character had them outside of jabs. What a ride!
Excellent video, but #1 and #2 should definitely be swapped IMO
Nope number two is actually quite tricky to set up you have to hold three sway at the same time then go to your left or somebody's back and if you don't do that it's counter hit only. While number one you can set up your entire game plan around one move and allows you to play mind games with another player which is totally more overpowering than just killing you on site you can literally just threats at the player and make a play lose mentally way before the game even starts
@Kayn Zero it's only steppable if you block the first two hits of jfls. The thing I think people really tend to forget is that most players have thin skin so even though they know it they probably won't do it.
Since jin's laser scraper has a counterplay and requires execution as explained by tran, why isn't the steve move number 1 since it has no counterplay and can be done anytime consistently? Love the video tho, sat down the whole evening to watch it
Fair way to look at it, though Jin's Laser Scraper options on top of being T4 Jin.
There's no mistake.
Because this list has no logic and the rankings don't make any sense lol
He explained why he put jin's JFLS in number 1 in a comment thread in this video, go look it up
When I said redo Fighting Games over I wasn't talking about Remakes Reboots Remasters Updates Upgrades HD D.L.C & not Backwards Compabilities nor both ways
Aside from a great deal of recency bias I think this is a fantastic summary of the ridiculousness of Tekkens OP moves
King's df1 in Tekken 1 deserved the number 1 spot, far more broken to be launched for blocking a df1 than anything else, at least Bruce's string can be low jabbed, King and AK's have literally no weakness, the only thing you could do was getting hit on purpose and pray to be out of range for another one
Bruce's jab strings are a guaranteed 2-hit KO on block (58 damage, a full health bar in T2 is 110), and by the way they're 8-frame. Preemptive duckjabs at midrange are at risk of getting tagged by Bruce's 3,2,1.
Not saying King df1 is not stupid, but it's less guaranteed damage (on King, for sure; and AK cannot touch-of-death off a blocked df1 so it's still a 2HKO on block) and 6 frames slower so I understand why it ranked lower.
Seeing Aris at 1:41:23 FORCED ME TO SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON.
Too good.
This looks a whole adventure I’ll have to dedicate some time to and I’m ready for it
I loved Tekken 2 as a kid. Played it a lot with my friends.
This was a joy to watch! Well done!
Alright, let's watch this movie.
only this series would allow for a list this massive, and there was production value all the way throughout
I think I managed to guess about half of the top 10, hard to disagree with aside from steve's plug and play infinite losing to jfls
I kinda expected tekken 7.0's stature kick to appear too
The Mario party limbo game triggered me 🤣🤣🤣