He is saying Si is a perception function and if someone leads with a perception function it makes sense to call that type a P type. Simple math really. Isn’t the end of the world.
I’m an SEI and enjoyed this video immensely!! Listened to this in the background while I worked on a crochet project haha xD Great and in-depth info, you did great making everything digestible and easy to understand, thank you ✨
It's easy to agree that the SEI/ ISFP type is much about balance, peace and not rushing, but that's really from their ignoring Se. The Si function itself is about an inner sensory experience, that sees the world through and aesthetic-magical lens, and monitors the phenomena of the nervous system. You can't really observe that directly, though (although you can see hints). Socionics has to some degree over-simplified Jung's descriptions. Socionics understanding of the type as a whole is mostly correct though. (my humble opinion as a SEI who has read lots of Jung and Socionics)
How do you know any of this if none of it can be seen or measured? The nature of Si is to integrate the sensory experience. In doing so, it rejects and negates the intensification and competition of sensory objects. "Magical inner aesthetic" is just that, magical and essentially without meaning.
@@WorldSocionics You say "rejects and negates the intensification and competition of sensory objects". This is not Si but rather the other side of the coin: Se ignoring. Whenever you have developed Si you also have a restricted attitude towards direct sensory impact. They go hand in hand in the type but they are not the same thing. Si is irrational and simply senses what's happening. There is no restriction, it indulges in the inner sensory experience. As I said, this is usually not seen from the outside: Introverted functions are really introverted. It's hard to describe Si and I said that it's like seeing the world through an aesthetic-magical lens. It is just an attempt to describe the experience. I don't think it's fair to say that it is "without meaning". I think most people can somehow imagine what that could mean. How can we know about Si? Here are some suggestions: 1) I am SEI so of course I know something about Si through self-examination, but the problem is to develop enough judgement so that one can really grasp it, and describe it. 2) You can observe SEIs and over time conclude that they seem to sense something that is not objective. Like, they just sit and stare at a wall and seem fascinated by it. 3) Rare cases of SEI artists who might have learned to express their inner experience. 4) Everybody has all 8 functions so through your own development you might know something about Si. 5) Jung has the best descriptions of the functions, and by studying them and observing the system of functions we can see how single functions fit into the conceptual system. But yes, the functions are harder to grasp than it appears in Socionics. I recommend studying Chapter 10 in Psychological types.
@tjovadevalivat My wife is an SEI. I think I have observed enough to know what Si is and it's certainly not a magical inner world. Se ignoring is the avoidance of conflict in the pursuit of harmony, but also the capacity to become assertive on rare occasions where necessary to restore balance.
Great channel you have built. I have just one suggestion that may be very important to people not so familiar with Socionics. I think it would be better to use the "correct" Socionics naming convention where "MBTI's ISFJ" is converted to "ISFp in Socionics". This "lowercase distinction" is really important as this makes things a bit less confusing for people studying the 8 cognitive functions through MBTI and Socionics. Thank you and keep up the good work.
@@WorldSocionics I could not agree more, but unfortunately they are the prefered way of refering to the 8 cognitive functions (especially among those that aren't even aware such a thing exists).The reason I made this suggestion is because it used to confuse me a lot when getting to know Socionics that my INP-kids were actually ... INj-kids in that system. If it hadn't been for the lowercase-distinction, I may have still have been lost in confusion. That's why I suggested to stick to the lowercase-convention, as meaningless as (especially) that last axis may be ... Kind regards, Johan.
ISFp in socionics is the same as Isfp in mbti. introverted sensors stay the same but introverted intuitives change.ISFp=Isfp, ISFj=isfj but INFp=INFj etc
@Ben Vaserlan & "Wilma's Housemates" - The one, true ISFP is Si dominant, because a true "P" must be dominant in Perception. It is time to do away with flawed Myers-Briggs thinking by using our terms correctly without compromise.
@@WorldSocionics Have you written some J/P questions where an NiTx and NeTx with both score as an irrational 'P' type and a TiNx and TeSx would score as a rational 'J' type? I'd like to test those questions out.
Eu sou um desses hahah. Gostei bastante do vídeo, muito informativo, acho que em relação com a Sensação Extrovertida, eu diria que a minha é mais desenvolvida então, ou talvez mais valorizada, certo? já que entro em conflitos de tempos em tempos e eles não me incomodam muito, me mantenho firme pra minha defesa. Uma coisa que ia perguntar é: Você acha que é certo dizer que esse tipo é Hedonista? Li sobre isso em algum lugar, e me identifiquei, já falaram que sou assim hahaha.
I don't care what you call them as long as the information is correct, I prefer socionics uses the 3 letter code nevertheless so people don't get confused, in regard to it's integrity. but if thats what you choose to call it by now everyone should know what you mean and adapt
Olá meu amigo, falo com você do Brasil, vou falar em minha língua mesmo, já que o RUclips tem a opção de traduzir e meu inglês não é dos melhores haha... Primeiramente, parabéns pelo conteúdo, uau! Você foi o primeiro que eu vi fazendo explicações brilhantes sobre essa teoria socionics, eu não fazia ideia de como funcionava antes de ver os seus vídeos, apenas conhecia a teoria das funções cognitivas mbti, não achei um conteúdo bom igual o seu no meu idioma, e como você também é entp assim como eu deve saber o quão feliz fiquei por achar esse conhecimento tão bem explicado como o seu, então obrigado. Em segundo eu tenho uma pergunta, eu namorei uma isfp, mas isfp na nomeclatura mbti, acho que em socionics seria isfj (Fi-Se) correto? Existem várias teorias de compatibilidade, e como você mesmo deve saber por ser entp eu gosto de explorar várias, gostaria de saber na sua opinião qual seria a mais correta, qual seria em termos de compatiblidade cognitva o tipo mais apropriado para o ENTP? Eu já li sobre a existência dos pares de ouro, prata e bronze, no caso do entp seus respectivos pares nessa ordem seriam: INTJ, ENTJ e em bronze ISFP (Fi-Se como é no mbti) e de certa forma eu me senti bem atraído pela minha namorada que era ISFP (Fi-Se) pela forma que ela expressava seus valores e sua sexualidade. Mas também existe a teoria de Gulenko, sobre os tipos de relacionamento, separados em vítima, agressor, infantil e cuidador, onde nessa teoria o ENTP é infantil e sua melhor compatibilidade seria com os Cuidadores ISFJ (Si-Fe) e ESFJ. Mas por me faltarem conhecimentos empíricos, já que não namorei nenhum desses tipos a cima haha, não sei qual das teorias seria a correta. Poderia me dar uma luz?
Thank you! Well, you say you dated an ISFP in MBTI, but how do you know she wouldn't be a true ISFP as in my video? Maybe watch the ISFJ video, it's brand new, and see which sounds most like her.
Hello Jack I wanted to ask Have you had any experience with a ISFP? Did you feel during communication that this is really your dual. Was there an attraction?
I really *love* your description. People typed me as SEI, which I've embraced for a long time, but I think I'm a IEI. You're a great socionist!
by the way - i sent you an email, i'd love to be typed by you!
I'm an ISFP with an ENTP partner and I must say this is the best explanation of me as an ISFP! Thank you 😊
So glad! My wife is one as well.
Unusual naming convention notwithstanding, this is a terrific explanation for describing lead Si-Fe people.
He is saying Si is a perception function and if someone leads with a perception function it makes sense to call that type a P type.
Simple math really. Isn’t the end of the world.
Think of it this way.
In the 4 letter code the I vs E is determined by the leading function.
So why not do the same with the J vs P
I’m an SEI and enjoyed this video immensely!! Listened to this in the background while I worked on a crochet project haha xD
Great and in-depth info, you did great making everything digestible and easy to understand, thank you ✨
You seem to get a lot of stick from the many sticklers about sticking to your J and P theory. I for one am all for you sticking it to them!
It's easy to agree that the SEI/ ISFP type is much about balance, peace and not rushing, but that's really from their ignoring Se. The Si function itself is about an inner sensory experience, that sees the world through and aesthetic-magical lens, and monitors the phenomena of the nervous system. You can't really observe that directly, though (although you can see hints). Socionics has to some degree over-simplified Jung's descriptions. Socionics understanding of the type as a whole is mostly correct though. (my humble opinion as a SEI who has read lots of Jung and Socionics)
How do you know any of this if none of it can be seen or measured?
The nature of Si is to integrate the sensory experience. In doing so, it rejects and negates the intensification and competition of sensory objects. "Magical inner aesthetic" is just that, magical and essentially without meaning.
@@WorldSocionics You say "rejects and negates the intensification and competition of sensory objects". This is not Si but rather the other side of the coin: Se ignoring. Whenever you have developed Si you also have a restricted attitude towards direct sensory impact. They go hand in hand in the type but they are not the same thing. Si is irrational and simply senses what's happening. There is no restriction, it indulges in the inner sensory experience. As I said, this is usually not seen from the outside: Introverted functions are really introverted. It's hard to describe Si and I said that it's like seeing the world through an aesthetic-magical lens. It is just an attempt to describe the experience. I don't think it's fair to say that it is "without meaning". I think most people can somehow imagine what that could mean. How can we know about Si? Here are some suggestions: 1) I am SEI so of course I know something about Si through self-examination, but the problem is to develop enough judgement so that one can really grasp it, and describe it. 2) You can observe SEIs and over time conclude that they seem to sense something that is not objective. Like, they just sit and stare at a wall and seem fascinated by it. 3) Rare cases of SEI artists who might have learned to express their inner experience. 4) Everybody has all 8 functions so through your own development you might know something about Si. 5) Jung has the best descriptions of the functions, and by studying them and observing the system of functions we can see how single functions fit into the conceptual system. But yes, the functions are harder to grasp than it appears in Socionics. I recommend studying Chapter 10 in Psychological types.
@tjovadevalivat My wife is an SEI. I think I have observed enough to know what Si is and it's certainly not a magical inner world.
Se ignoring is the avoidance of conflict in the pursuit of harmony, but also the capacity to become assertive on rare occasions where necessary to restore balance.
@@WorldSocionics you are only seeing her from the outside though
Great channel you have built. I have just one suggestion that may be very important to people not so familiar with Socionics. I think it would be better to use the "correct" Socionics naming convention where "MBTI's ISFJ" is converted to "ISFp in Socionics". This "lowercase distinction" is really important as this makes things a bit less confusing for people studying the 8 cognitive functions through MBTI and Socionics. Thank you and keep up the good work.
That's appreciated, but MBTI is wrong. There is no correct name for the MBTI types because they are nonsensical.
@@WorldSocionics I could not agree more, but unfortunately they are the prefered way of refering to the 8 cognitive functions (especially among those that aren't even aware such a thing exists).The reason I made this suggestion is because it used to confuse me a lot when getting to know Socionics that my INP-kids were actually ... INj-kids in that system. If it hadn't been for the lowercase-distinction, I may have still have been lost in confusion. That's why I suggested to stick to the lowercase-convention, as meaningless as (especially) that last axis may be ... Kind regards, Johan.
@Johan Vanden Bussche my goal is that one day there will only be one version of Jungian typology, so that there is no more confusion
ISFp in socionics is the same as Isfp in mbti. introverted sensors stay the same but introverted intuitives change.ISFp=Isfp, ISFj=isfj but INFp=INFj etc
@@amalksuresh2538 Ouch. Please don't spread false information like that. Things are confusing enough for people just the way they are already.
It's "ISFp" not "ISFP". Correct title: "ISFp - "Nurturer" - SEI - Not what you think it is"
It's the only ISFP.
@@WorldSocionics What do you mean?
@Ben Vaserlan & "Wilma's Housemates" - The one, true ISFP is Si dominant, because a true "P" must be dominant in Perception. It is time to do away with flawed Myers-Briggs thinking by using our terms correctly without compromise.
@@WorldSocionics Have you written some J/P questions where an NiTx and NeTx with both score as an irrational 'P' type and a TiNx and TeSx would score as a rational 'J' type? I'd like to test those questions out.
Pretty consistent with jacks vision since the beginning: ruclips.net/user/liveqhnRwIK9xd4?feature=share
This description sounds exactly like my mom.
great, now waiting for lsi desc
Eu sou um desses hahah. Gostei bastante do vídeo, muito informativo, acho que em relação com a Sensação Extrovertida, eu diria que a minha é mais desenvolvida então, ou talvez mais valorizada, certo? já que entro em conflitos de tempos em tempos e eles não me incomodam muito, me mantenho firme pra minha defesa.
Uma coisa que ia perguntar é: Você acha que é certo dizer que esse tipo é Hedonista? Li sobre isso em algum lugar, e me identifiquei, já falaram que sou assim hahaha.
Brilliant 👌☺️
I don't care what you call them as long as the information is correct, I prefer socionics uses the 3 letter code nevertheless so people don't get confused, in regard to it's integrity.
but if thats what you choose to call it by now everyone should know what you mean and adapt
Do you try to link enneagram types to a certain socionics type? What are your thoughts on this. I'm curious.
Hard because Socionics has multiple motivational layers linking each type to potentially a number of Enneagram possibilities.
What do you think about subtypes? Do you like the idea?
I think they are splitting hairs
I wonder if you can get a none violent variety of the ISFP?
Olá meu amigo, falo com você do Brasil, vou falar em minha língua mesmo, já que o RUclips tem a opção de traduzir e meu inglês não é dos melhores haha...
Primeiramente, parabéns pelo conteúdo, uau! Você foi o primeiro que eu vi fazendo explicações brilhantes sobre essa teoria socionics, eu não fazia ideia de como funcionava antes de ver os seus vídeos, apenas conhecia a teoria das funções cognitivas mbti, não achei um conteúdo bom igual o seu no meu idioma, e como você também é entp assim como eu deve saber o quão feliz fiquei por achar esse conhecimento tão bem explicado como o seu, então obrigado.
Em segundo eu tenho uma pergunta, eu namorei uma isfp, mas isfp na nomeclatura mbti, acho que em socionics seria isfj (Fi-Se) correto? Existem várias teorias de compatibilidade, e como você mesmo deve saber por ser entp eu gosto de explorar várias, gostaria de saber na sua opinião qual seria a mais correta, qual seria em termos de compatiblidade cognitva o tipo mais apropriado para o ENTP?
Eu já li sobre a existência dos pares de ouro, prata e bronze, no caso do entp seus respectivos pares nessa ordem seriam: INTJ, ENTJ e em bronze ISFP (Fi-Se como é no mbti) e de certa forma eu me senti bem atraído pela minha namorada que era ISFP (Fi-Se) pela forma que ela expressava seus valores e sua sexualidade. Mas também existe a teoria de Gulenko, sobre os tipos de relacionamento, separados em vítima, agressor, infantil e cuidador, onde nessa teoria o ENTP é infantil e sua melhor compatibilidade seria com os Cuidadores ISFJ (Si-Fe) e ESFJ.
Mas por me faltarem conhecimentos empíricos, já que não namorei nenhum desses tipos a cima haha, não sei qual das teorias seria a correta. Poderia me dar uma luz?
Thank you! Well, you say you dated an ISFP in MBTI, but how do you know she wouldn't be a true ISFP as in my video? Maybe watch the ISFJ video, it's brand new, and see which sounds most like her.
Well explained
It seems to me ur planning on doing each type from the same Quadra. R u also planning on explaining correctly the Quadra values after that?
I think that's sort of implied in my function-pair videos that are already up.
An in-depth look at the quadras can be found in my course however.
Hello Jack
I wanted to ask
Have you had any experience with a ISFP?
Did you feel during communication that this is really your dual.
Was there an attraction?
Yes. I married one. We're expecting our first child in less than a month!
@@WorldSocionics cool. Congratulations!
absolutel true! lol
Gentle souls… ?
Very idealistic description.
Until they're very uncomfortable. Then they bite.
@@WorldSocionics The human condition, tends to be very uncomfortable at times.
@@Apple_Teck which means there are also comfortable times
Not sure i fully understood your reasoning but sounds good . My wife is ENFJ . Any tips for us ?
I'm wary about distributing relationship advice to people I haven't typed.
Isfj man