This video is outdated and doesn't reflect my current thoughts on The Answer. I'm not gonna stop anyone from watching it but I recomend you watch my newer video on the topic if you want a more up to date opinion.
Well if it displeased you that much then think about it like this. Maybe not all of humanity has gain that will to live, maybe it will never happen, and even if they did, do you honestly believe they are gonna bring him back to the way he was before sealing the door or God forbid aged up so it feels like he lives the rest of his revived life with his friends? Personally, I feel he should come back because if he's anything like the protagonists after him, he's a good kid with a good heart, and deserves a better hand than he was previously dealt, but I get what you mean about diminishing the point of the story. So I say let his buddies try to make the world a better place because there is no guarantee they can pull of his rescue in their lifetimes.
Sounds like I wouldn’t like this mode if I played it. I don’t like Mementos at the end of Persona 5, because you’re no longer allowed to do the slice of life aspect. Since there’s no slice of life in this mode, I think I’ll hate it if I ever play it.
In a way the revelation of Minato's ultimate fate is even more sad then the ending to The Journey would imply. It implies he passed on peacefully, that he is most likely at rest after willing himself to see himself through the graduation for SEES sake. We find out that is not the case, that he is instead living in a hellish limbo and, even if not conscious, he has still yet to find peace. So if anything, my perception is it ruins The Journey's ending by making it completely bleak rather then the bittersweet it was meant to be. Finding a way to free Minato, as long as only to pass on to the afterlife, is the one way they would be able to rectify this. But yes indeed a full ressurection is the worst outcome of this they could go for.
ya know...I love your videos and I played the game quite some time ago, but I think(even if they strongly imply on the EN version) that "the answer" could be open to interpretation(yes, I'm with you on the strong implications they can "bring him back." and find it stupid.) Minato=/=Yuuki, even if "free" from the seal wont have a body anymore, the most they can is save his soul and let him move on properly I'd say, and if that's the case, on my point of view, its just fine. Atlus doesn't need to "save" or "bring back to life" a well done protagonist.
Lol apparently it took place before he died but... It’s funnier to think he comes back from the seal and everyone just brushes him off like ‘yup, he’s back. Just another day’
Nam12399 “let’s not talk about that, kay...?” He just doesn’t want SEES to be jealous since he became the all powerful door. First hand experience from Junpei lol
Honestly i like the idea that the protagonist CAN come back, but he won't because it is on humanity and out of the control of the characters. IMO it makes it sadder knowing that the option is there but it won't happen and there is nothing the characters can really do about it.
@glitchy TMH17 when you think about it, there was absolutely a Minato walking around for the whole time maruki had a palace, theres 0 chance there wasnt maruki didnt just make it possible but bc SEES never got over him really, he would have returned like akechi
Yeah but that's not what Atlus was going for in the ending. Even in Persona 4 they allude to the fact that he'll come back. But they must have changed their mind or something since nothing has come out of that plot point
I remember reading a fanfiction where The Answer was orchestrated by Minato to resolve the the emotional issues caused by his death; they where starting to "wish for death". And that He doesn't expect them to succeed in saving humanity, but the pursuit of this goal would help them overcome their fear and depression.
I remember first playing P3FES. While playing through The Journey, I was overgrinding, thinking "I will make my Personas strong so I can use them later on The Answer!" I legit got so pissed when playing The Answer lol.
Honestly, the answer's ending COULDVE been worse. It couldve easily been better, VERY easily by just making the idea to put an end to erebus for good being played off as an impossible task that can never be accomplished, but it couldve been worse if, say, they only needed to kill Erebus to bring Minato back to life, rather than restore humanity's will to live. THAT would've probably removed all value from The Journey's ending
But thats what happened in the answer though ( regarding being impossible to permanently putting erebus to an end ) .. it was even mentioned in p4 and mentioned several times in p4a/au. Yeah elizabeth is trying to free him and all but in order to do so all of humanity would need a change of heart and be free of any despair which is literally impossible, if it wasn't and if it did happen though, there wouldn't be anymore persona games 🤔
@@rushystrega7297 I just realized... isn't that what basically happened in P5? Ridding humanity of despair, I mean. At the very least, the defeat of Yaldy restored faith in the population of Shibuya.
@@faultyvideos2215 ehhh not really. Yaldabaoth being destroyed didn't really change people's hearts or something of the sort but they were freed from not thinking what to do in their lives for themselves.There's still corruption and malice within everyone, and , hypothetically speaking if beating Yalda DID change peoples hearts , it would exclusively be a Shibuya thing, and not the entire humanity. I do agree with your and nams opinion on something though. It would be pretty damn stupid and meaningless if they could bring back Minato alive in any shape or form ( def not as a human since is body is buried somewhere but as an android with his soul installed or even a velvet assistant ) xD
@@rushystrega7297 Now I'm intrigued at Makoto being an Anti Shadow Supression Weapon. But yeah, the best way would be for him to have his soul freed, say thank you and goodbye to whomever freed him (probably the Phantom Thieves) and SEES, and moving on to the afterlife saying "I will always be watching you"
See, I kinda interpret them “saving” the protagonist as letting his soul rest, rather than having it constantly fighting off Erebus. Like, his body is dead, buried and decaying in the ground. I don’t believe he can ever be alive again.
I do think that he would become a "uber being" like Elizabeth if she does manage to bring him back but no way his body just restores itself and starts walking and talking.
@@FromASatalitePlace especially since I'm pretty sure the Japanese rarely do burials. Usually japanese cemeteries are pretty compact with a headstone for your family. Sometimes you might get an individual headstone but it's still usually cremation Though I could be wrong. Just going off of what I've observed and been told
Honestly, I don't think Minato would come back to life. Rather, I feel that if humanity regains the will to live, Minato would be able to pass on into the Sea of Souls. Right now, his soul is in a state of limbo, with the only thing he CAN do being acting as the Great Seal. Also, the idea of Humanity regaining the will to live is something that may take a long time to accomplish, so by the time it's done SEES may be long gone. This is all my theory, and my way to give weight to The Answer without destroying The Journey.
@@newtondamon Maybe, but I consider that to be represented in how he was essentially dead but came back for those last few months to keep his promise to his friends, only to then pass on to the afterlife afterward.
@@nothingtoseeexceptwaifus That seems to be it, from what I can tell from the SMT wiki anyway. I went and checked it. In the articles that mention it her goal is just to free his soul and permanently kill the thing. It mentions nothing about him just coming back to life after that and really, it's totally understandable to want him not to just sit there in front of a door for all eternity. I think that's all things like FEF are meant to be setting up.
Heck, a good portion of the fanbase have the opinion that Minato should not come back, but rather be finally at peace in some kind of afterlife. They could effectively kill Erebus by doing something similar as the end of P5, changing humanity's hearts for good.
For some reason, I think that the production team of P5 were purposely using the plan of Liz mentioned in P4AU as the main idea for the creation of Phantom Thieves. Besides, I think that Joker's World Arcana which is never used in the whole P5 game MIGHT be a conservation for the plot of Persona 6
@@nothingtoseeexceptwaifus me too, when Elizabeth mentioned how she needed the power to "CHANGE PEOPLE'S HEARTS" to save Makoto Yuki, I remember thinking: "the Phantom Thieves are a missing ingredient! They're part of what she needs to bring him back" :3
@@ADragonNerd Agreed. But I personally thinks that Door-kun and Door-chan might have met when they're sealing Nyx. So it might be a good story if Atlus knows how to use the character correctly.
To be honest, I though that Yukari's actions in the Answer wasn't that bad as you said. In the Journey, Yukari looked down upon her mother because she clung to the past and wasn't able to cope with her husband's death even after a decade. Through the game, Yukari decided to move on from her father's death and keep going fowards, looking towards the future. In the Answer, it shows that's an easier thing said rather than done. Yukari knows that what she is doing is irracional and she even despizes herself for it, most likely because she was acting just like her mother did, but she does it anyway because emotions aren't racional. Most people don't like what the Answer did with Yukari's character, but I did. I thought it was touching.
Agreed! ffs! Imo the answer is good BECAUSE of what it does to yukari's character, she might be the character with the most depth in all of P3 P4 and P5, yes she acted on impulse but unlike junpei's superficial "wanna be leader" tantrum, this one actually has a well-developed emotion and a valid motivation, and it gives her character that much more personality. mix that with her jealousy of aigis inheriting the power, and you get the complexity that is the cherry on top.
Like Yukari as a character in the first place can't move on from her father's death in the first place even after 10 years without having closure on why he died. And here weeks later after Minato died, she's presented with the opportunity or a slim chance to save him. Sure she's shown her worst side but doesn't mean it's not understandable to empathize with her
Exactly what I think was the point. The game starts portraying her as the bad guy at one point and that all builds up to you starting to dislike her a bit. Only for that to do a 180 when she collapses on the ground and starts crying. At least that's the effect the story had one me personally. I don't think I'd have it any other way for Yukari specifically.
Honestly, looking at it from the perspective of Yukari loving Minato, missing his final moments alive since he was with AIGIS and she didn't even remember everything, *and* AIGIS inheriting his Wild Card power, her anger and jealousy that AIGIS was a walking reminder of what she'd lost not even weeks earlier makes sense. They just spent way too much time having her embody the Anger stage of grief. It makes her realistic but at least in The Answer that also makes her unlikable.
While she is unlikable as a person, who is likable in a state of grief that bad? I can look past the unlikable part if the character is being portrayed as a realistic human being, and that is exactly the case for Yukari. Also, The Answer made her my favorite Persona 3 character- maybe even my favorite character in the franchise (I don’t yet- it’s pretty close between her, Futaba, and Yoshizawa)
B A the former is a case that can never happen in real life anyways(you underestimate how bad the desire to get your loved one back can cloud judgement). I’m sorry, the latter isn’t realistic when you lose somebody you love? Hard disagree.
B A wait, didn’t we have this discussion before and it ended with an agree to disagree? Your username looks familiar. Edit: I’ll take your silence as a sign that is what happened. In that case, let’s not have a repeat of last time.
Y'now Yukari's character kinda improved in the Answer She suffered from the 5 stages of grief And her Arcana being the Lovers(symbolism) and her persona being Isis(a woman who traveled over Egypt and tried to collect her lover's separated body parts to see him again) relates to her more in this story. And it's because of her love for Door-kun And Margaret stated that her Sister(Elizabeth) attempts to save Door-kun from being a door/seal
Xeroxthebeautiful this. Many people have said that Yukari willing to do anything to bring Makoto back is unrealistic and a case for a therapist- wrong. It’s both realistic and a case for a therapist when you have a past as bad as Yukari’s.
When Junpei is the most rational being in the team, that's a bad sign right there. Also, you may not like Yukari for her irrational actions but people do things irrationally especially if they lose something very important to them.
Personally I like to think that freeing Minato wouldn't bring him back but would at least let his soul rest. I mean logically his body has already been buried and probably decomposed by the time of Persona 5. There's no way he could come back physically unless they made him a new vessel. Elizabeth's story in Persona 4 Arena seems to be following up on Arena where she is also on the save Minato train, only she seems more like she wants to free his soul rather than bring him back to life. Though with the change in writing team following Persona 5 it's hard to say where this plot thread will go at this point.
persona 5 didnt have as many references to the previous games, hell they hardly acknowledged them unless you went out of your way to look for the references which were almost always a line of dialogue on tv. that fact alone didnt still me with much confidence that we’d get a follow-up to this plotline, but hey maybe persona 6 will? who knows
While I think Minato can be released from the seal, I don't think he can come back to life. His body has been buried for 8ish years by Persona 5. His spirit would just move on to wherever Persona characters go when they die.
JoelPerry1 Personally, when they mean come back to life, I understood it as re-incarnation, for the logcal implications that his original body would've been rotted by then. It also makes it more sad that his friends won't be there to see him once it does happen, as they most certainly be old or dead when the time comes.
@@spine747 just let the dude rest, please dont bring him back, you effectively ruin your game's plot like that. Not everything needs a happy ending where everyone gets what they want.
Persona 3 FES is what brought me into the Series. I played the answer immediatly after beating the Journey....I beat it once.....and NEVER played the answer again. Not because of the plot...but because of the frustrating boss fights as you said.
And the most annoying part about the fusing here is the realization that Shuffle Time is only on Personas between Magician and Hanged Man Arcanas, and since most of the highest level Personas are in the Arcanas of Temperance and forward, you can only get them through fusion which is a bitch to do since there's no Compendium to get the easier time to fuse.
I disgree...It also gave us a great story with great character development too...people just bandwagon the hate because it became a trend. Just like Yukari's hate was a trend back in the day that died out nowadays.
Tbf the move he used was always called “the great seal” meaning this was their goal and I actually saw it as a will for them to live. Obviously they can’t accomplish this goal they’ll never change the entire worlds hearts and not even The phantom thief’s could do that. Another sign of this is a magical being like Elizabeth can’t even bring him back. Minato’s death is permanent but he makes everyone else better by being a literal symbol of hope that one day he may return.
I think over that possibility of The Great Seal becoming no longer needed, and I really don't think Minato could come back to life. His physical body is gone, and I think that the most that could be done is Minato could pass onto an afterlife so to speak.
Reminder that Junpei is the GOAT. My man had the best character arc in the Journey (lets just try to forget that Chidori came back) and he was the most mature in the Answer.
Plague Yeah, he has been through the pain of losing the loved one so I think that develop his character to the point of being able to cope with MC's death better.
@@plague9818, true. but to me i played only fes and portable, and it doesnt feel like it was rushed or anything and its a great implementation, because it feels like its a part of the original.
Stories like P3's, stories about death and the acceptance of death, are often incredibly hard for a lot of people to fully agree with or like, as death is something a good majority of us are terrified of in some way or another. With this, I don't mean that people don't like stories about death, I mean that in stories like these, most people would greatly prefer to see characters that they grew attached to live. But in stories like these, death being permanent is paramount to the theming and message of the story. Persona 3 feels like a story about accepting death's inevitability and making the most out of your life while you're living it. Persona 3 The Answer feels entirely like a story born out of the desire for every character to make it out Scott free.
I never understand why people have such a problem with Yukari, but hardly ever mention Mitsuru. She _knew_ Yukari's thoughts on going back in time were wrong, she was still level-headed (unlike Yukari), yet went along with her idea anyway 'because friendship!'. Not that I dislike Mitsuru - very much the opposite, I think it's impossible to _not_ love her - but it does seem slightly out of character. Yukari having such a dumb idea is not out of character and understandable considering her emotions.
I know this comment is 3 years old (maybe the OP doesn't even care about this verse anymore lol), but still I would like to share my take about that "out of character" moment. While she clearly knew that her goals were wrong, I think Mitsuru decided to "support" Yukari precisely because she expected her to lose against Aigis or the others. In my headcanon she restrains a lot in the fight (although in the gameplay it might not look like that) and indirectly helps Aigis to win, so they can all snap Yukari out of her madness once she is weakened. As showed in that cutscene, the only reason she stood beside Yukari when no one else did was just because she felt indebted to her for helping her overcome her depression. That fits her honorable personality IMO and shows how she became a more empathetic person compared to her past self.
@@aleph7056 "since im like most people." what? how does one come to such a stupid conclusion? everyone reacts differently to things, are you 12 or something? that should be common sense, and what constitutes as "like most people"? shittiest take ever
I think for minato is likely more his soul being free rather than him being alive again. I think it important to note that there many thing that happen to Yukari that lead her to acting the way she is in the answer even her thinking irrationally. Yukari from my own experience feel like she clinical depressed and suffering from rare symptoms known as complicated grief (extreme grief) people who in extreme stage of grief had a hard time thinking rational when dealing with major pain, picture this imagine being stabbed with knife, or remember the most painful mental or physical pain and imagine you have to deal with it 15/7 or 24/7. It really deeply painful. There a lot of risk factor that lead yukari to suffering complicated grief in the answers. Dysfunctional family, isolated, alienated, ambivalent, low self-esteem, overly dependent, avoidant, unexpected (p3 protagonist death). History of early insecure attachment, history of mood or anxiety, history of multiple traumatic event or losses, repressed emotions. complicated grief is very Intense sorrow and emotional pain with chemical imbalance that take hold of the person mind that will not make any process or put them on a hold for however long. I hope yukari is more better understand with this context in mind, I do think they could of give her little more logic like going into how the time travel work and how long so on before going full grief again I thought I leave this link since i think they did a good job going in depth of yukari character twitter.com/wiill64/status/1109811418554122240?s=19
I appreciate you going out of your way to link that thread, it's something that I'll take a look at when I have the time. I see where you're coming from, but I personally feel there isn't enough information in the story itself to justify her actions. If we compare the way she acts at the end of the journey to the arena battles in the answer, there is a stark contrast in attitudes towards life. I can't really say I agree with the notion of her having attachment issues because what we see in the journey didn't really sell me. Yukari hates her mom but wants to reconcile by the end of her social link, and her main character arc is her letting go of her father and living her life. I can't really see her having an obsession over Minato's death because I didn't get much out of their relationship other than it being just a high school crush. But that's my opinion. Mental health is a very complicated thing and it's different for everyone in the world, but I don't think Persona 3, in general, did a good job at setting this up for Yukari if that was the case. So if I were to look at just what is presented in the story, it feels regressive for her character to me. I'm happy you got something out of her character in the answer though.
@@NamsCompendium Honestly, it feels less "regressive" and more realistic imo. Pretty sure anyone here in her situation would have become in the same state and done the same shit. That's what's good about her, she's realistic and relatable cause you never know what you might do when someone really close to you dies. Also, in the journey there are many hints scattered across the journey (other than the social link) that Yukari might have some romantic feelings towards MC, unfortunately those moments were removed in the anime and replaced with more Aigis screen time (ik this is unrelated but it really bugs me) like the beach scene and how she was really worried about him after he passes out from the first time he summons Orpheus/Thanatos.
Her character makes me cry. I was already feeling sad today but after reading the thread, I already feel a lot sadder. Who knew a fictional character could make me cry
I really appreciate your opinion on Persona 3 The Answer, I never played it despite having Person 3 FES. I slightly disagree with your opinion on the ending of The Answer but it is just a subjective difference of opinion and I still really enjoyed your review of Persona 3 The Answer very much. Great work Nam12399!
I think the reason they’re split up the way they are makes sense, it’s just poorly explained. Yukari and Mitsuru are the obvious ones. They want to go back to the past to try and find a way to stop the fall without sacrificing Minato. They’re stuck in the past. Junpei and Koromaru don’t want to make a decision and just want everyone to calm down. However, meandering in between doesn’t help reach a resolution either. Ken and Akihiko want to face the future forward, and while ultimately the best decision, they aren’t giving the time to heal the emotional pain the others are going through, which is why they’re being opposed. Finally, Aigis and Metis haven’t made a decision yet. Unlike Junpei however, they are actively trying to make a choice, and are considering both sides.
I didn’t get that feeling about the protagonist’s death. The way I see it, Makoto could theoretically come back to life but realistically it will never happen, which I felt actually enforced the game’s theme even more because it meant that Makoto was taking responsibility for his actions. I agree with you on pretty much everything else though
The only time ATLUS adding more plot into a re-release that greatly enhanced the story instead of completely ruining it was with P2: Eternal Punishment PSP's Tatsuya Scenario and P5 Royal's Maruki sub-plot
P4G's additional content may not have been the best in the series or anything, but it DEFINITELY did not completely ruin it. It felt tacked on and the dungeon itself was pretty meh, but it did NOT ruin it by any stretch of the imagination. It was completely separate if anything, so it can't really detract from it
I understand Yukari freaking out with the chance of saving Minato form his fate, but the problem here is that she went completelly agaisnt the SEES for it, after what happend against Nyx and the losses they've been through, they would be pretty much brothers and sisters at this point, they all share the pain, but nope, this drama is the setup for the characters boss fights, felt like filler if you ask me. Her reasons for doing it makes sense, if anything it is an important part of her story, end up fighting her friends for it is the problem
To be honest, I would be okay with Minato coming back to life, if done right. I believe that with enough effort, it could be done, causing an equally sad and heartbreaking moment like P3’s journey ending. Maybe something like somebody else needing to sacrifice themselves for Minato to come back, testing their loyalty, friendship and love for Minato. Or you could be given a choice when you play as Agnis, and everyone could turn on each other. Some shit could happen and for like 15 seconds Agnis and Minato switch places with their life’s essence and Minato begs them to stop fighting because he doesn’t want to see them against each other. He blames himself for what happened and how he couldn’t be stronger. After tearful apologies and thank you’s, Agnis and Minato switch back since Agnis is a robot and she doesn’t have a life’s essence. I’m rambling out of my butthole okay? What I’m trying to say is that If done properly Minato could definitely have a good revival that wraps everything up, or he could have a good conclusion where not only the P3 crew, but the fans realize that Minato needs to stay dead, because that’s his story. If it’s done right I would prefer him coming back to life honestly, but I could live without it. I have a question. If you were part of SEES and you had a chance to bring back Minato, even if it meant giving up someone else’s life, would you? Would you fight with Yukari and Mitsuri, who want to sacrifice someone to bring him back, or would you fight on the opposite side, the side that realizes however much they try, and no matter what pain they go through, Minato will never truly come back? Tell me in the comments. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk :) have a nice day *In reality I’m on Minato’s side, the guy who just wants to nap all day as a statue, like leave ME ALONE-*
tbh I bet that if he ever came back to life he would be replacing Elizabeth. It would make sense for her character to decide to switch places with him, seeing as she's more or less used to being in an eternal role.
@Matteo Marshall Well, its true that bringing him back to life will ruin the message of P3. But try to think that: what if he is brought back by force to save the world and die AGAIN?
@Matteo Marshall That would just be pointless for him to exist tbh. Since Atlus have already given the plot hole, then they should fill it. I wouldn't mind if he got bring back and die AGAIN, but it would just be a waste of money, time and effort for let him be in those pointless, non-important fanservice spin-offs. Just my opinion, no hate comments or fights
@Matteo Marshall Besides, I would like to see Persona 6 being a finale to the original universe and a transference to a brand new universe with new storylines which is non-related to the stories of the original universe, just like JoJo Part 6 Stone Ocean.
I choose for the sake of my sanity to interpret that bringing the protagonist back to life is impossible now, and that at best freeing him would just let his soul pass on and not have to be a door for all eternity
I don't see how Makoto can come back imo. Because it's impossible to not have people that won't wish for death. Which as some other comments pointed out makes it sadder that it can happen but it won't. His death is still forever unlike Chidori's and Shinji's.
Where was it ever implied that the main character could come back? I just finished the answer and never got that vibe. At best, what I took away was 'Minato is fighting an eternal fight so that the world and his friends can live'. People will never stop yearning for death. Life just sucks too much some times. As for Yukari and Mitsuru, they were just given an opportunity they never had before and (in my opinion), the most irrational character in the game was willing to take it. That makes sense to me. It seems like a fairly natural reaction to me. The people I would blame in this scenario are Akihiko and Ken for responding so aggressively, making Yukari feel cornered and making her less likely to listen to reason. I'm not saying anyone's wrong but that's just how I see those two events
They say that if humanity stops yearning for Death, there would be no need for Makoto's life essence to serve as the Great Seal. Which Nam here (the uploader) perceived as Makoto coming back to life. But most of us in the comments perceived it another way: Makoto's spirit would pass on to the Sea of Souls or whatever afterlife they got instead of serving as a door.
I would like to think more that the message with this part of the game is to "move on" and accepting that he died for them and the World. He's supposed to be the Messiah, it is told to him from the beginning "You, who wish to safeguard the future" and even in the Credits sequence we see the Persona Messiah as his Ultimate Persona. I think they originally wrote the ending of the Answer as him returning to life if the World stops asking for death as a nod to the biblical messiah, Jesus Christ, who returned to life three days after his death. I'm not sure if they'll keep that idea in mind for three more games (probably Persona 6), but at this point I don't think they will actually do that (in fact, I think they just forgot about it). I'll stick to the message of accepting death and moving on, living life to the fullest.
I mean, even if erebus becomes no more, One would imagine that all they'd get is allowing Minato's soul to rest in peace instead of sealing Nyx. Unless they plan to clone a new body for him.
I mean..... Sentient robots are canonically a thing, Teddie from P4 being able to gain a body despite only being a shadow..... Making a clone body for Minato isn't too outside the realm of possibility.
I still feel like there could be potential in a story where Joker, Yu, Aigis, Tatsuya, Maya, and Boy With Earring could all come together with their respective teams and work together along with Elizabeth to permanently put down Erebus. After all, we know the Phantom Thieves are capable of stealing Hearts. Perhaps they can also steal Humanity's desire for death as well? Idk.
(Warning- massive essay read) I’ll be honest- I strongly disagree with your points on Yukari. While the Journey was about accepting that Death exists and can and will happen at some point, that doesn’t mean it was also about preparing for the grief and depression that comes with it as well- let alone for the person you love the most/ the person who made it possible to reconcile with her mother. I speak from experience- logic and price don’t matter in a state of grief that bad. If you had a sliver of hope to bring someone dear to you back from the dead- you don’t cafe what the cost is. You would take that chance. Granted- I understand that it might be incredibly difficult to understand this point if you haven’t experienced grief at that age that badly like me or Yukari (though the number of people that fall in that category is alarming to say the least), but I wouldn’t say that Yukari showing such extreme grief was bad writing more than being very realistic. If anything, this brings up my biggest criticism with the plot of The Answer. Everyone takes the grief like champs, and it’s highly unrealistic and unrelatable. Okay- I can buy Akihiko and Junpei realistically dealing with this grief since they have lost people multiple times and have repeatedly moved fine enough as well as being the least emotionally tied members of sees to Makoto, but the others? They should have had a harder time dealing with the grief of losing Makoto (it was realistic for Aigis at first since she deactivated herself after the death of Makoto, but after reactivating herself, she just pushes aside her grief too easily that it’s like the writers forgot she also has a heart like a human. However, Ken is by far the biggest offender here. Ken dealing with the grief well has 2 major issues for me. A) your telling me that a 10 year old kid who tried to kill himself months ago suddenly has grief control like a mature adult? Nope- don’t buy that one bit. That kind of growth is something that boring perfect shoen protagonists do, and Ken is no boring shoen protagonist. And B) imo, dealing with grief and having an unclouded judgement completely undermines his character from the Journey imo. While I was on and off for Ken as a character for multiple reasons, I always thought that his character was suppose to boil down to a kid that wants to act like a mature adult that still shows signs of him being a kid. While I have mixed feelings on how far they went with the mature part (particularly for anyone who wished to be a pedophile in portable as femc), it was for the most part still realistic and relatable. The Answer decides to completely throw away the kid part by giving him godlike grief control and never show his kid side at all in the plot and end up removing any relatability I had with Ken. I can’t connect with Ken at all now since he has unreasonable grief control for a kid his age. Simply put, to me, The Answer did to Ken what many claim The Answer did to Yukari- completely undermine the character) That said, I will agree that Mitsuru’s behavior was problematic here. While I understand why she went with Yukari (personal vows and whatnot), what the hell was she thinking leaving it up to chance to see if Yukari would move past her anger phase of grief for so long? While it did get better when she promised to be with Yukari in her most desperate hours, she still took way too long to freaking get there. While I liked The Answer decently enough since it was about dealing with the grief and depression after death does happen (morseso with Yukari because of how realistic she is) the things that bother me in the plot really do bother me a lot. As for gameplay, I haven’t played it myself, but I probably never will because I have heard enough about how much of a grindfest it is (and like hell would I trust the AI to do my combat for me.)
"A) your telling me that a 10 year old kid who tried to kill himself months ago suddenly has grief control like a mature adult? Nope- don’t buy that one bit" I don't see why not...I mean losing your mother, Shinjiro and the MC can make you numb to these kind of stuff to an extent.
@@Mojo1356 It's a coping mechanism that many of us could use to try and stay happy in hard times. The way I see it, Ken already has experienced this enough time that he can pretty much handle it at this point.
I did like the answer. I interpreted Minato being free from the seal as him resting in peace rather than in eternal limbo with Erebus and Nyx. Not coming back to life. Also, Yukari and Misturu's story was very moving. In my canon, Yukari fell in love with the protagonist in addition to having a great debt to him. She may have learnt a lot during The Journey, but we all go against our better judgement when times are desperate. Persona 3 is about death, not heroics. And their course of action isn't portrayed as righteous. But grieving a loved one, even to an obsessive degree lies heavily within the theme. The game is only better because of its inclusion.
I feel like that the final boss should've been some demon that represents/was attracted towards everyone's despair over Minato's death, and the reason they can't escape is that they can't escape that day Minato died in their minds, and it should've been about moving on in the wake of such a tragedy instead of 'oh we'll change the world so this guy who died can come back'
actually i disagree with "coming back to life" bit. Imo getting rid of erebus would just let his soul finally to rest in peace, not necessarily come to life, since his body is long gone by that point.
I always got the impression that "rescuing" Minato meant releasing his soul and letting him rest and not actually resurrecting him. Although one side of me would like to see a happy ending for the SEES team and Minato, I don't know what would qualify an ordeal big enough to overcome the importance of the game's message. Anyways, the task needed to rescue him is pretty much impossible by definition. For something to be important there has to exist something else that proves its value. Memories with people become the strongest and most valuable when those people are no longer around. Virtues are important because negative behaviour exists to show their worth. Good exists because there is evil. If you eliminate one factor then everything becomes stale and meaningless because there is nothing to compare it to. So, by definition, for one to exist, the other must exist as well. Door kun, sadly, is doomed, unless someone else takes his place.
Small thing, when you talked about the Shadow Protag Bossfight beating you because Odin was weak to wind... Since that boss copies the personas of your active party you could've just taken out Yukari so he can't use wind spells. Doesn't change the fact that the lack of a compedium sucks but you could've made it easier than grinding for another Surt :D
Ok, the Chidori revival and Minato’s potential return SUCK, but I do think Shinjiro’s coma actually fits with the spin on P3’s themes that Minako brings. Persona 3 starts with “remember that you will die” and Minako’s existence continues that statement with “so, don’t give up before it’s really over.” The actual way things play out sucks but thematically, Minako forging a bond with Shinjiro and giving him that little spark of hope means a lot
13:19 the way i read this was not that p3 protagonist could come back to life. i read it as his soul can be put to rest. his soul is holding the door shut. once he is no longer needed he can rest.
9:58 It's amazing how youtubers will put contradictory evidence to their points in their video. Ken said the following "personally... I still think it's because he used all his power to accomplish that miracle" - ie. it is his opinion that Minato sacrificed himself. At no point do they have any evidence about what happened to Minato until close to the end of the Answer.
The best jab I've ever heard someone do to yukari had to do with her early game in makoto/minato's awakening and that jab was "what tf she gonna do heal the shadow?"
I think that if Makoto is brought back in, say, a game after P6, it wouldn't be that bad. It'd have been nearly 20 years since P3 and his death by then. The message has already been made clear. I think this can be compared to how I don't agree with people's complaints on how the FFVII Remake changes some specific things with some characters.
I wouldnt like Makoto brought back since most likely thats Impossible so....I would like for him to be ReIncarnated instead , having a fully new character with the same personality as he is in Persona 3 and at least he will Remember the Past.
I have seen many people not understand what Yukari's story was about or misunderstand what The Answer actually is. The Answer is a story about grief and Yukari is literally one of the most important characters of that narrative. Because she is the one who is actually hurting the most in that narrative. Yukari is in pain, serious, profound pain and it is not unjustified. Somebody she loved died and she doesn't know what to do with that. The story of The Answer is about dealing with grief and all the characters have different perspectives on it. Because clearly all of them cared about the protagonist, but everybody is in a different head space during the story. And Yukari is the one in the most humane space. She is deeply and badly hurting that she lost a loved one. Aegis is also like that, but she ended disconecting of her feelings, while Yukari can barely control hers. The fights in The Answer with the party members are more a way to grieve in group than a battle to the death or anything. Everybody is grieving and fighting is literally all they can do with the grief. That is why "Heartful cry" is such a good song for the fights. And Yukari is the central character of the grief narrative, because she is the one grieving the most. She is being irrational and lost, yeah. Somebody she loved DIED. It honestly the most humane response. She is being irrational, but for good reasons. And that is the saving grace of that story. Because the grief narrative is the literal basis of The Answer and the reason the story is actually happening. And Yukari's arc is the literal climax of that story, at the end of the fight with Aegis. It is actually the reason The Answer actually works as a story.
While I agree the Answer is for the most part bad, I disagree with some of your arguments: not having an entire formation of enemies with the same weakness is not a fuck-up, it just doesn't make it a cake-walk. Not having a compendium means being calculated when fusing for a new persona and making sure your bases are covered when you do that, personally I really didn't have an issue with it. So both of these make the combat aspect more challenging, but it drags on because there's too much of it, not because it's changed. And lastly, no, I really don't think it's implied Minato can come back to life if so and so happens, but that his soul can rest, which is a perfectly reasonable future development if it ever comes up again.
This video honestly makes me appreciate Royal WAY more. The fact that Atlus was willing to delve deeper into the themes of Persona 5 and what it really means for humanity (rather than undermining it like they did in FES) says to me that they are starting to branch out of their comfort zone.
To be fair Minato/Makoto reviving is purely hypothetical right? it sounds like he could come back if ALL of humanity has the will to live but thats not gonna happen if were being honest. I think it was supposed to be a hopefull thing to remind the characters and possibly the player "yeah hes dead but keep moving on type thing and one day who knows what will happen" Thats fitting because Atlus ended up bringing him and everyone else back a few times.
I've watched a lot of analysis about P3 but no one's ever touched on why is death the final boss when the whole theme of this game's learning how to accept and deal with loss and become stronger because of it supposedly. Am i the only one seeing the contradiction in the very concept or am i missing something? If going against death is metaphor for how to accept and deal with it then i think they should've handled it differently, by not making the characters literally go against it for example because in the end the result is them refusing to accept death and all they accomplish is just delay the inevitable and if that isn't the definition of futile and meaningless and the total opposite of what the game's been trying to preach from the beginning then i don't know what is. And then the whole Chidori coming back to life thing only reinforces my idea that the writers didn't really think this through, ending up giving people mixed messages and naturally leaving them thinking so what was the point of all this talk about accepting death throughout the game? And then they did it again in The Answer. What am i supposed to think: that it was their plan all along to make everything meaningless, a typical case of all talk and no substance, or did they genuinely lack vision to such a degree? Whichever the case is, it's undeniable that they make characters' beliefs and entire events contradict each other at some points.
I certainly see where you're coming from, so I'll give my take on what SEES going against Nyx means. I believe that it's less "We're going to deny our fate and fight for the right to live on!" and more "We're going to die no matter what we do, so we may as well go out in our way" They went up to fight Nyx knowing full well that they were most likely going to die. Sure, they were saying that they were going to win, but I personally took that more as building moral before the fall. The point is that they didn't fear death anymore and were still willing to fight for what they believe in until the end. The members of SEES didn't want to lose their memories because the death of their loved ones is what defined them as people and was the main catalyst to their growth (quality of those character arcs aside) Chidori coming back to life and Shinji not dying in P3P is terrible and I have no idea why they thought that was suitable for this type of story, I very much agree with what you're saying there. A lot of the additions to Persona 3 rereleases has certainly muddied the game's themes and I feel as though a lot of people in charge of the new story additions forgot what Persona 3 was even about.
@@NamsCompendium okay I guess it makes sense then if I see it more that way. Fighting death for the memories of loved ones is an honorable reason for sure. At least this reason doesn't make me angry lol I guess the writers felt kinda bad for how sad those two characters' stories were and that's why they did it lol but having consistency and conviction of the message you're trying to send is def more important.
@@NamsCompendium probably because the FeMC part is actually a different universe where the P3 main protagonist is, well, a girl. It's certainly possible that in that universe, she saves Shinjiro. I think it's more explained in Q2, but I can't really say as I haven't even touched it.
@@GiordanDiodato it is quite explained when the two MCs meet that they feel familiar to each other, like they are two sides of the same coin. "I am you, and You are me" the two MC are literally parallels and opposites of each other.
they never outright say he could come back to life, just that he would be freed from the seal. Physically speaking, he's 6 feet under. It's more of a soul thing than a literal return to life.
5:08 this is just mid/late-game Tartarus though? "It's almost like the characters had to regress in character development to make this work" Yeah that's the entire point of a story about getting over the grief of the death of a person that got you out of that initial hole
It's kind of telling how many people don't care for the answer because I didn't even know it existed as a casual persona fan until I stumbled across this video
Imo, the only things of value that is lost with The Answer not being in the reload are three things. The very last moment with Yukari and Aigis really does bring a massive smile to my face, Heartful Cry being one of the best battle themes in the series, and Brand New Days... which had the potential to be the best song in the whole series but suffers greatly with the context of The Answer. I guess I COULD see The Answer working but I don't know if people following the sudden love for The Answer band wagon realize how strange so many of the core story decisions really are.
I think it's just counter bandwagon hopping. Sudden love for The Answer, or just riding it, simply because Reload's release is right around the corner.
And then 20 steps forward again. Character development isn't an irreversible, permanent thing. People can lapse back into toxic states of mind and recover from them just the same. What Yukari went through is almost in every way more traumatic than what she's already been through, so to expect her to maintain some sort of steely, heroic resolve after she's told she might be able to bring back her dead friend is stupid and unrealistic in and of itself. Besides, her journey almost parallels the five stages of grief to a tee, so I'd hardly even call it unnecessary, especially not when she learns from it and becomes a better person _right fucking after._
That animation before Minato fights is so cool. However, I cannot help but think of Code MENT: "So, you're going to shoot me, huh? Good luck doing that when I am already dead!"
I watched both of your P3 videos. I haven't finished Persona 3 cuz I was in high school and didn't have the time, for that long of a game. I ain't gonna lie, I did skip some parts of the video cuz I didn't want to get spoiled but that is only because you made me want to replay P3. These 2 videos were awesome and after watching the first P3 video I subscribed immediately and proceeded to watch the second video. I really like that you took your time analyzing the game, pointing out its flaws and strengths in detail, etc. These long types of videos are really refreshing for me and I hope to see more of them in the future. But I do have to ask, which is your personal favorite Persona game? And do you think that P3 could be the best Persona game if we got a remake of it (mainly fixing the battel mechanics and some social links)? Mitsuru best girl.
Uroš thanks for watching. I hope you get around to finishing P3 soon because the ending of the journey really is something special. Persona 4 is easily my favourite one because I can connect with a lot of the characters in that game (both the major and minor ones) though it’s not without its flaws too. I’d go into a lot more detail, but I’m currently in the process of writing the script for a Persona 4 analysis so I’ll save the discussion for that video. If persona 3 was remade and a lot of the issues I had with it were cleaned up and rewritten, i think it would really help reach its full potential. I personally think that whatever persona game people consider to be the best one is the game that they can relate to the most. I think Persona 5 is the best made game, but I like persona 4 and some aspects of 3 more than that game because those ones affected me as a person more than 5 did. It would be cool to see what a persona 3 remake would look like and how they’d handle the characters.
The Answer was an unecessary addition to an already good story... this could have been handled differently like like turning it into an anime adaptation or a movie you unlock when you get 100% completion of the P3 game
So your P3 analysis popped up in my recommended videos a few days after I finished my first playthrough of P5R and after paying P3FES last summer I have the compulsive desire to hear people talk about P3 a lot. I honestly think the whole Party Tournament Arc would have fit better in P5 in the lead up to Okumura and probably could have made sense in the new P5R month to maybe extend the length of the game to actually give us a playable Third Semester and not just...January and three days of February. I think one of the bigger issues with the tournament bit is that SEES feels like a tighter nit group after what they go through than the Phantom Thieves, (for context, I got into Persona with P5 and am in the process of going back to play the other games. I have a copy of P4 but haven't gotten to it yet and I would like to play P1 and P2 duology if ATLUS would port them those fucking cowards) and so it's less believable to me when SEES has a falling out than the Thieves. Honestly the only person who should be pissed is Koromaru cause the quality of his food suddenly drops off (YEAH I KNOW YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE GOODEST BOY, THERE IS A REASON I HAVE THE VIDEO OF KOROMARU'S BATTLE QUOTES SAVED AND NO OTHER PARTY MEMBER'S BECAUSE HE'S JUST TOO GOOD >:( ).
Hm, I don't exactly interpret it as Minato/Makoto being able to comeback to life. After all, his physical body is dead. I think his soul would be freed and maybe he can finally rest in peace. Or maybe he's reborn and knows nothing/remembers nothing of his past self. That's about it. But the Minato/Makoto we played in the original FES I think is gone for good. If ATLUS really wanted to just resurrect him as he was, they wouldn't keep making excuses on why he's alive again for all their spin offs. "Oh this is before the final battle. Oh, this is an alternate timeline. Oh technically that hasn't happened yet so don't question it."
I can sympathize/understand Yukari's action, so I don't really hate her that much. Well, most people seem to think so at least, I'm okay with the story of P3 and FES too. Still my favorite among the modern Persona series (3 4 5). Imo this game's message is to accept death and move on with our lives.
@Mojo1356 My opinion on Yukari has changed for the better recently after reexamining her character. She was acting completely irrationally, yes, but humans do irrational things when they grieve or suffer great emotional pain. Yukari is a great example of a flawed character. I greatly appreciate that kind of character, because their flaws humanize them.
I don't think you quite understood the ending of Persona 3 the Answer. it doesn't ruin Makoto Yuki/Minato Arisato's death, why? because yeah there's an implication he could return, but in reality the world is too depressed and still wishes death, something that can never be changed as a result of how messed up the world is, this utlimately shows that Minato cannot be revived and forces the group to accept that he's never coming back.
I don't think there was ever an indication that the protagonist/Minato would be revived just that it's possible under circumstances that are beyond control like the world no longer wishing for Nyx to exist, it's called grief coping, what this whole section is about, it's an unnecessary add-on to the story with boring gameplay but it does actually serve a purpose
I agree with overall everything you stated. The music is incredible. I understand you dislike the ending of The Answer because essentially what was being said is that if the world changes for the better, Makoto will come back. But I honestly believe that logically makes sense. I believe that SHOULD happen. Of course, it won't because humans are incredibly emotional creatures but that is the point I believe. The fact that the the masses will never change, solidifies the fact that Makoto will never return. So in my eyes that doesn't bother me. I honestly don't want to dislike Yukari. I think she is a very human character. Even though her decision is fairly ignorant in The Answer, it definitely is realistic. I heavily disliked Yukari's attitude and overall the way she acted in The Journey and ESPECIALLY The Answer. Despite Makoto being her love interest, she treats his death as if it is nothing. As if everything they been through was nothing. It was incredibly selfish and infuriating. Now about the gameplay/the Abyss of Time, it is absolutely abysmal, terrible. By far the worst dungeon out of any dungeon in Persona. I also find Tartarus to be the worst as well, but that is a topic for another day.
I think that in my opinion the reason The Answer falls so short beyond Atlus trying to make the whole concept of the inevitability of death from The Journey a moot point, is that it seems to revert a lot of the character development of the cast, and cheapens not only the sacrifice the MC had, but softens a blow that is meant to absolutely destroy you at your core. I am glad that The Answer gives us more insight into what occurred and the hole left behind by his death, but it was really like Atlus couldn't stand the thought of having their players sad in a game that has no happy ending, where even in the intro that plays before you reach the main menu it tells you that death is a fact of life and that this won't be a happy story. So Atlus just turning around and deciding that their central theme doesn't seem to matter really cheapens the experience overall in one of the greatest themes in the series.
I’m pretty sure there are many people who weren’t happy about this games ending. In fact, I almost shed a tear after watching it for the first time....And they are currently only three other games in history that have made me do this. I guess I can agree with your points, but I don’t have a problem with them changing this to the point we can possibly come back. What might’ve been better is that they make a non-canon side event that could bring him back. That way everybody is happy?
Not sure if someone has already suggested but I would recommend watching the Elizabeth story from the game Persona 4 Arena. It delivers an amazing epilogue to P3 without retconing the ending
Gonna be real, I really like the Answer. I think that while yes, it is needlessly brutal and difficult, It really does open up some interesting points. I think Yukari gets developed really well here. She was denying how much Minato meant to her, and that he was more than a teammate. It kind of makes me sad people don't see that Yukari acting unreasonably is the entire point. She's in this state of bargaining in her grief, and when someone presents an opportunity to potentially save him, however impossible or unlikely it is, she latches onto it without thinking, her emotions getting the best of her. Quite literally she was looking without seeing. Mitsuru backing her up is also quite emotional to me, and ties to her Persona's evolution, where Yukari taught her that she didn't need to act as leader all the time, she was person first and she can share those problems. She opens up to Yukari, and I think she really trusts in her specifically. Yukari stood by her side, so Mitsuru wants to do the same. I also love Erebus as a concept. It proves Nyx wasn't a malevolent entity, but simply was at the call of humanity, represented by the collective human shadow, Erebus. I think Erebus then as the representation of the shadows of all humans is a pretty awesome concept. It's essentially the ultimate evil that can never die unless the source is removed. I also don't think the possibility of saving Minato is a bad thing, I think it gives SEES a motivation for trying to improve life, and teaching their message that life is precious. I think the suggestion is actually quite interesting, combined with what Margaret says about Elizabeth trying to save him in Persona 4.
I'm not sure if this is 100% true, but apparently they made The Answer because so many people didn't realize that Makoto had died. This could be completely false, but it's kinda funny for me to think about. Also, it's definitely not that Makoto can be revived. It's often implied that people just want to set his soul free so he can truly rest in peace.
8:55 dissapears is not the right word here Shadow minato literally Rots away starting from skin then muscles then bones. You see all of it and its horrifying. Also Minato cant come back at this point. They buried his body he didnt vanish its only his soul that became the seal. even during the answer his body would have been well into the 50 shades of rotting. We dont know what happened to the P3 crew during P5 but we did see them in P4 Arena Ultimax wich takes place around 4 to 5 years after P3. Minato's body is but a skeleton at that point he cant come back unless they pull a time travel on us. What Elizabeth and the P3 crew are trying to do now is to release Minato's soul so he can fucking finally find peace.
While I agree the gameplay is very repetitive, I personally think the story was phenomenal in the Answer. I think if they simply revived Makoto in this game it would have been weird, but planting the seeds isn’t necessarily negative to me. Going off of what they did in Persona 4’s NG+ Margaret scene and Persona 4 Arena, they are taking there time before tackling the “Revival of Makoto”. It is clear to me that they care a lot about respecting the original game and are probably trying to find the perfect story to do it. Honestly, and this may be a hot take, I don’t think reviving Makoto ruins P3. People seem to forget that his death was only ever implied and never confirmed in the Journey. Of all things, the Answer is what confirmed his “death”, but then in the same game they reveal he was a seal. I respect your opinion as well as the opinions of others, but I don’t see how this would break the narrative. Reviving Shinjiro is something that I’d actually think would hurt the story. Who knows, maybe I’m wrong, but I wanted to share this view point. This was definitely a well made video overall though. Keep up the good work.
Also, this is a little off topic from my initial comment, but I think the Chidori revival was smart cause despite her being alive there was still consequences. She lost her Persona powers and she lost her memory. Plus her revival didn’t take away Junpei’s character as he still went through an arc losing her. The one revival I don’t think works is Shinjiro in P3P as he is just immediately said to be in a coma, which makes Ken and Akihiko’s reactions less powerful imo, as he never really dies. Again though, this is my silly little opinion.
There is legit no reason for the answer to exist. Also who thought aigis as a main charecter was a good idea? Sure shes a good charecter in base game but in her old story as the main charecter? very stupid and felt just wrong on so many levels.
This video is outdated and doesn't reflect my current thoughts on The Answer. I'm not gonna stop anyone from watching it but I recomend you watch my newer video on the topic if you want a more up to date opinion.
Well if it displeased you that much then think about it like this. Maybe not all of humanity has gain that will to live, maybe it will never happen, and even if they did, do you honestly believe they are gonna bring him back to the way he was before sealing the door or God forbid aged up so it feels like he lives the rest of his revived life with his friends? Personally, I feel he should come back because if he's anything like the protagonists after him, he's a good kid with a good heart, and deserves a better hand than he was previously dealt, but I get what you mean about diminishing the point of the story. So I say let his buddies try to make the world a better place because there is no guarantee they can pull of his rescue in their lifetimes.
Sounds like I wouldn’t like this mode if I played it. I don’t like Mementos at the end of Persona 5, because you’re no longer allowed to do the slice of life aspect. Since there’s no slice of life in this mode, I think I’ll hate it if I ever play it.
In a way the revelation of Minato's ultimate fate is even more sad then the ending to The Journey would imply. It implies he passed on peacefully, that he is most likely at rest after willing himself to see himself through the graduation for SEES sake. We find out that is not the case, that he is instead living in a hellish limbo and, even if not conscious, he has still yet to find peace. So if anything, my perception is it ruins The Journey's ending by making it completely bleak rather then the bittersweet it was meant to be. Finding a way to free Minato, as long as only to pass on to the afterlife, is the one way they would be able to rectify this. But yes indeed a full ressurection is the worst outcome of this they could go for.
ya know...I love your videos and I played the game quite some time ago, but I think(even if they strongly imply on the EN version) that "the answer" could be open to interpretation(yes, I'm with you on the strong implications they can "bring him back." and find it stupid.) Minato=/=Yuuki, even if "free" from the seal wont have a body anymore, the most they can is save his soul and let him move on properly I'd say, and if that's the case, on my point of view, its just fine.
Atlus doesn't need to "save" or "bring back to life" a well done protagonist.
The answer will talk you stuff and get you some questions along the way.
He had to come back to life for dancing
Lol apparently it took place before he died but...
It’s funnier to think he comes back from the seal and everyone just brushes him off like ‘yup, he’s back. Just another day’
@@sahisiva9904 "where've you been?"
Nam12399 “let’s not talk about that, kay...?”
He just doesn’t want SEES to be jealous since he became the all powerful door. First hand experience from Junpei lol
DOOR-KUN
He danced on the rooftop, like dacing on his grave.
Honestly i like the idea that the protagonist CAN come back, but he won't because it is on humanity and out of the control of the characters. IMO it makes it sadder knowing that the option is there but it won't happen and there is nothing the characters can really do about it.
@glitchy TMH17 when you think about it, there was absolutely a Minato walking around for the whole time maruki had a palace, theres 0 chance there wasnt
maruki didnt just make it possible but bc SEES never got over him really, he would have returned like akechi
Yeah but that's not what Atlus was going for in the ending. Even in Persona 4 they allude to the fact that he'll come back. But they must have changed their mind or something since nothing has come out of that plot point
Minato is my favorite protagonist but, if he returns is another P5 spin-off or P6 I’ll be mad.
Don't forget about Elizabeth
i think that he can come back, but either he can reincarnate, maybe he could revive like Jesus do but he literally gave his life essence
p3: we need to *change the heart* of society
p5: hoo boy
"A tartarus that you go down instead of up"
@@Crow_Calypso there is no Persona 6, what are you talking about?
@@dubemudeze8156 well I’m from the future and yeah nothing has happened
A crossover could technically be made where the phantom thieves save Minato. Because technically they would be the only ones who could
@@ChaosflowerI’m from the future persona 6 is named carbon
I remember reading a fanfiction where The Answer was orchestrated by Minato to resolve the the emotional issues caused by his death; they where starting to "wish for death".
And that He doesn't expect them to succeed in saving humanity, but the pursuit of this goal would help them overcome their fear and depression.
That's actually more interesting than The Answer itself. What's the name of this fanfic?
I NEED A LINK!
NEW CANON!
@@Zakkious my brother in Christ that's literally the answer but now instead of their wish to see Minato leading them there it's Minato.
GODAMNIT MAN I NEED A LINK
I remember first playing P3FES. While playing through The Journey, I was overgrinding, thinking "I will make my Personas strong so I can use them later on The Answer!"
I legit got so pissed when playing The Answer lol.
Lol.. same like me hiks, when i play the answer.. like wth:)
Btw when i was child i think the answer like mm VERY HARD than journey:v
I don't blame you. Thought the same thing😦
Honestly, the answer's ending COULDVE been worse. It couldve easily been better, VERY easily by just making the idea to put an end to erebus for good being played off as an impossible task that can never be accomplished, but it couldve been worse if, say, they only needed to kill Erebus to bring Minato back to life, rather than restore humanity's will to live. THAT would've probably removed all value from The Journey's ending
But thats what happened in the answer though ( regarding being impossible to permanently putting erebus to an end ) .. it was even mentioned in p4 and mentioned several times in p4a/au.
Yeah elizabeth is trying to free him and all but in order to do so all of humanity would need a change of heart and be free of any despair which is literally impossible, if it wasn't and if it did happen though, there wouldn't be anymore persona games 🤔
@@rushystrega7297 I just realized... isn't that what basically happened in P5? Ridding humanity of despair, I mean. At the very least, the defeat of Yaldy restored faith in the population of Shibuya.
@@faultyvideos2215 ehhh not really. Yaldabaoth being destroyed didn't really change people's hearts or something of the sort but they were freed from not thinking what to do in their lives for themselves.There's still corruption and malice within everyone, and , hypothetically speaking if beating Yalda DID change peoples hearts , it would exclusively be a Shibuya thing, and not the entire humanity.
I do agree with your and nams opinion on something though. It would be pretty damn stupid and meaningless if they could bring back Minato alive in any shape or form ( def not as a human since is body is buried somewhere but as an android with his soul installed or even a velvet assistant ) xD
@@rushystrega7297 Now I'm intrigued at Makoto being an Anti Shadow Supression Weapon. But yeah, the best way would be for him to have his soul freed, say thank you and goodbye to whomever freed him (probably the Phantom Thieves) and SEES, and moving on to the afterlife saying "I will always be watching you"
If the end brought Minato back the life then it would of been bad
See, I kinda interpret them “saving” the protagonist as letting his soul rest, rather than having it constantly fighting off Erebus. Like, his body is dead, buried and decaying in the ground. I don’t believe he can ever be alive again.
I do think that he would become a "uber being" like Elizabeth if she does manage to bring him back but no way his body just restores itself and starts walking and talking.
@@kallum39 Walking? No, dancing
Did people forget cremation exists?
@@FromASatalitePlace especially since I'm pretty sure the Japanese rarely do burials. Usually japanese cemeteries are pretty compact with a headstone for your family. Sometimes you might get an individual headstone but it's still usually cremation
Though I could be wrong. Just going off of what I've observed and been told
I mean, Maruki did that with just a Persona...
Subtitles: "A rapist is attracted to Aigis's wild card ability"
*._.*
12:54
Lol
"a rapist from reaching nicks a rapist is attracted to i guess is wildcard ability" is what said for me lmaoooo
yeah same
@@GyaruRespecter
Man of Culture
Honestly, I don't think Minato would come back to life. Rather, I feel that if humanity regains the will to live, Minato would be able to pass on into the Sea of Souls. Right now, his soul is in a state of limbo, with the only thing he CAN do being acting as the Great Seal. Also, the idea of Humanity regaining the will to live is something that may take a long time to accomplish, so by the time it's done SEES may be long gone.
This is all my theory, and my way to give weight to The Answer without destroying The Journey.
idk minatos ultimate persona IS the messiah and he's kinda compared to jesus visually in game so it could make sense symbolically if he came back
@@newtondamon Maybe, but I consider that to be represented in how he was essentially dead but came back for those last few months to keep his promise to his friends, only to then pass on to the afterlife afterward.
Actually, Elizabeth is implied to have already gone to take his souls place as the seal so that he can pass on, if I recall.
@@ElectricBarrier If memory serves me right, Liz's plan is to kill Erebus and free Door-kun from the Seal tho
@@nothingtoseeexceptwaifus That seems to be it, from what I can tell from the SMT wiki anyway. I went and checked it. In the articles that mention it her goal is just to free his soul and permanently kill the thing. It mentions nothing about him just coming back to life after that and really, it's totally understandable to want him not to just sit there in front of a door for all eternity. I think that's all things like FEF are meant to be setting up.
Heck, a good portion of the fanbase have the opinion that Minato should not come back, but rather be finally at peace in some kind of afterlife. They could effectively kill Erebus by doing something similar as the end of P5, changing humanity's hearts for good.
For some reason, I think that the production team of P5 were purposely using the plan of Liz mentioned in P4AU as the main idea for the creation of Phantom Thieves. Besides, I think that Joker's World Arcana which is never used in the whole P5 game MIGHT be a conservation for the plot of Persona 6
@@nothingtoseeexceptwaifus me too, when Elizabeth mentioned how she needed the power to "CHANGE PEOPLE'S HEARTS" to save Makoto Yuki, I remember thinking: "the Phantom Thieves are a missing ingredient! They're part of what she needs to bring him back" :3
@@ADragonNerd Agreed. But I personally thinks that Door-kun and Door-chan might have met when they're sealing Nyx. So it might be a good story if Atlus knows how to use the character correctly.
I guess we can let Minato in afterlife like gow Tatsuya went back to IS timeline at the end of EP
Changing humanity's hearts is not their job.
The pronunciations in this video make me wanna join Shinji and Protag-kun.
If you think that’s bad, wait until I do the P1 and P4 videos lol.
@@NamsCompendium o.o
@@NamsCompendium excited for the p1 review ngl
stfu nerd
@@matthiasbang8776 Chill out bro.
To be honest, I though that Yukari's actions in the Answer wasn't that bad as you said. In the Journey, Yukari looked down upon her mother because she clung to the past and wasn't able to cope with her husband's death even after a decade. Through the game, Yukari decided to move on from her father's death and keep going fowards, looking towards the future.
In the Answer, it shows that's an easier thing said rather than done. Yukari knows that what she is doing is irracional and she even despizes herself for it, most likely because she was acting just like her mother did, but she does it anyway because emotions aren't racional.
Most people don't like what the Answer did with Yukari's character, but I did. I thought it was touching.
*THIS*
Agreed! ffs! Imo the answer is good BECAUSE of what it does to yukari's character, she might be the character with the most depth in all of P3 P4 and P5, yes she acted on impulse but unlike junpei's superficial "wanna be leader" tantrum, this one actually has a well-developed emotion and a valid motivation, and it gives her character that much more personality. mix that with her jealousy of aigis inheriting the power, and you get the complexity that is the cherry on top.
Like Yukari as a character in the first place can't move on from her father's death in the first place even after 10 years without having closure on why he died. And here weeks later after Minato died, she's presented with the opportunity or a slim chance to save him. Sure she's shown her worst side but doesn't mean it's not understandable to empathize with her
yup. being not rational doesn't mean it's not relatable. a relatable character is good
Exactly what I think was the point. The game starts portraying her as the bad guy at one point and that all builds up to you starting to dislike her a bit. Only for that to do a 180 when she collapses on the ground and starts crying.
At least that's the effect the story had one me personally. I don't think I'd have it any other way for Yukari specifically.
Google translate be like :
bennito > minato
A rapist > arebus
I guess > aigis
Medicine > metis
probably because he says "Minato" wrong
he pronounced Erebus incorrectly too. Air-e-bus
"the final battle is a rapist"
*minute toes*
Honestly, looking at it from the perspective of Yukari loving Minato, missing his final moments alive since he was with AIGIS and she didn't even remember everything, *and* AIGIS inheriting his Wild Card power, her anger and jealousy that AIGIS was a walking reminder of what she'd lost not even weeks earlier makes sense.
They just spent way too much time having her embody the Anger stage of grief. It makes her realistic but at least in The Answer that also makes her unlikable.
While she is unlikable as a person, who is likable in a state of grief that bad? I can look past the unlikable part if the character is being portrayed as a realistic human being, and that is exactly the case for Yukari. Also, The Answer made her my favorite Persona 3 character- maybe even my favorite character in the franchise (I don’t yet- it’s pretty close between her, Futaba, and Yoshizawa)
@@Mojo1356 putting everyones life on the line and being aggresive towards ones friends is not realistic, its a case for a psychologist
B A the former is a case that can never happen in real life anyways(you underestimate how bad the desire to get your loved one back can cloud judgement). I’m sorry, the latter isn’t realistic when you lose somebody you love? Hard disagree.
B A wait, didn’t we have this discussion before and it ended with an agree to disagree? Your username looks familiar.
Edit: I’ll take your silence as a sign that is what happened. In that case, let’s not have a repeat of last time.
@@B_A-tr humans are selfish by nature. Yukari reaction to obtain what she desire is the most human thing.
Y'now Yukari's character kinda improved in the Answer
She suffered from the 5 stages of grief And her Arcana being the Lovers(symbolism) and her persona being Isis(a woman who traveled over Egypt and tried to collect her lover's separated body parts to see him again) relates to her more in this story. And it's because of her love for Door-kun
And Margaret stated that her Sister(Elizabeth) attempts to save Door-kun from being a door/seal
We even see Elizabeth almost desperately searching for a way to save him in P4A
Xeroxthebeautiful this. Many people have said that Yukari willing to do anything to bring Makoto back is unrealistic and a case for a therapist- wrong. It’s both realistic and a case for a therapist when you have a past as bad as Yukari’s.
When Junpei is the most rational being in the team, that's a bad sign right there.
Also, you may not like Yukari for her irrational actions but people do things irrationally especially if they lose something very important to them.
It really bothers me how many people don’t seem to get that.
I understand that yukari acted irrational because of minato death, but they all lost someone important to them
@@kamz9105 different people take things differently.
@@Mojo1356 she’s still fucking garbage in this arc no matter how you slice it
@@yeoungduck8782 no she’s not. Go 3 steps over to Golden and talk to the bear for an actual garbage character.
Personally I like to think that freeing Minato wouldn't bring him back but would at least let his soul rest. I mean logically his body has already been buried and probably decomposed by the time of Persona 5. There's no way he could come back physically unless they made him a new vessel. Elizabeth's story in Persona 4 Arena seems to be following up on Arena where she is also on the save Minato train, only she seems more like she wants to free his soul rather than bring him back to life. Though with the change in writing team following Persona 5 it's hard to say where this plot thread will go at this point.
I agree. Since the game takes place in Japan, he's probably been cremated, which means his body is ashes by the time of The Answer.
persona 5 didnt have as many references to the previous games, hell they hardly acknowledged them unless you went out of your way to look for the references which were almost always a line of dialogue on tv. that fact alone didnt still me with much confidence that we’d get a follow-up to this plotline, but hey maybe persona 6 will? who knows
@@clodaghay Well sure but with the existence of crossover spinoffs it could be picked up by those games.
While I think Minato can be released from the seal, I don't think he can come back to life. His body has been buried for 8ish years by Persona 5. His spirit would just move on to wherever Persona characters go when they die.
JoelPerry1 Personally, when they mean come back to life, I understood it as re-incarnation, for the logcal implications that his original body would've been rotted by then. It also makes it more sad that his friends won't be there to see him once it does happen, as they most certainly be old or dead when the time comes.
@@Mageman17 don't you mean PERSONAlly? But sure it's possible. I think even that cheapens his sacrifice a little but the possibility is there.
Atlus should leave the p3 protagonist be, it would brutally ruin the message of the entire game.
or he could go to a body that is made like aigis, or go into velvet team, or die
@@spine747 just let the dude rest, please dont bring him back, you effectively ruin your game's plot like that. Not everything needs a happy ending where everyone gets what they want.
Persona 3 FES is what brought me into the Series. I played the answer immediatly after beating the Journey....I beat it once.....and NEVER played the answer again. Not because of the plot...but because of the frustrating boss fights as you said.
And the most annoying part about the fusing here is the realization that Shuffle Time is only on Personas between Magician and Hanged Man Arcanas, and since most of the highest level Personas are in the Arcanas of Temperance and forward, you can only get them through fusion which is a bitch to do since there's no Compendium to get the easier time to fuse.
Why would you care about them when there's no compendium to complete and the good Personas like Odin and Shiva are easy to get?
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 uh... I'm honestly speechless with what you said there.
There is one good thing we can agree that The Answer gave us:
Heartful Cry
Darkness as well
That guitar solo in Heartful cry is heaven's sent
What's sad is that I discovered Heartful Cry during P4 Arena since I just couldn't bear getting far enough in P3 the Answer
I disgree...It also gave us a great story with great character development too...people just bandwagon the hate because it became a trend.
Just like Yukari's hate was a trend back in the day that died out nowadays.
@@Miyakolover Fax
Tbf the move he used was always called “the great seal” meaning this was their goal and I actually saw it as a will for them to live. Obviously they can’t accomplish this goal they’ll never change the entire worlds hearts and not even The phantom thief’s could do that. Another sign of this is a magical being like Elizabeth can’t even bring him back. Minato’s death is permanent but he makes everyone else better by being a literal symbol of hope that one day he may return.
It shouldn't be surprising either tbh. Minato is very clearly inspired by Jesus, and what was Jesus said to have performed days after death? Lol
I think over that possibility of The Great Seal becoming no longer needed, and I really don't think Minato could come back to life. His physical body is gone, and I think that the most that could be done is Minato could pass onto an afterlife so to speak.
Reminder that Junpei is the GOAT. My man had the best character arc in the Journey (lets just try to forget that Chidori came back) and he was the most mature in the Answer.
Plague Yeah, he has been through the pain of losing the loved one so I think that develop his character to the point of being able to cope with MC's death better.
Chidori revising is CANON. In arena, he talks about how he's got a special girl waiting for him back home after this next game in inaba
@@elflordyt6830 I know it is. I just don't think that was a good choice in terms of writing.
@@plague9818, true. but to me i played only fes and portable, and it doesnt feel like it was rushed or anything and its a great implementation, because it feels like its a part of the original.
@@elflordyt6830 But that contradicts the Answer; in the Answer, Chidori is dead... so how can they both be canon?
Stories like P3's, stories about death and the acceptance of death, are often incredibly hard for a lot of people to fully agree with or like, as death is something a good majority of us are terrified of in some way or another.
With this, I don't mean that people don't like stories about death, I mean that in stories like these, most people would greatly prefer to see characters that they grew attached to live. But in stories like these, death being permanent is paramount to the theming and message of the story.
Persona 3 feels like a story about accepting death's inevitability and making the most out of your life while you're living it. Persona 3 The Answer feels entirely like a story born out of the desire for every character to make it out Scott free.
I hope Elizabeth frees the P3 Protagonist eventually, even if just so he can pass on. Just so she can see him one more time.
I never understand why people have such a problem with Yukari, but hardly ever mention Mitsuru. She _knew_ Yukari's thoughts on going back in time were wrong, she was still level-headed (unlike Yukari), yet went along with her idea anyway 'because friendship!'. Not that I dislike Mitsuru - very much the opposite, I think it's impossible to _not_ love her - but it does seem slightly out of character. Yukari having such a dumb idea is not out of character and understandable considering her emotions.
I know this comment is 3 years old (maybe the OP doesn't even care about this verse anymore lol), but still I would like to share my take about that "out of character" moment.
While she clearly knew that her goals were wrong, I think Mitsuru decided to "support" Yukari precisely because she expected her to lose against Aigis or the others. In my headcanon she restrains a lot in the fight (although in the gameplay it might not look like that) and indirectly helps Aigis to win, so they can all snap Yukari out of her madness once she is weakened.
As showed in that cutscene, the only reason she stood beside Yukari when no one else did was just because she felt indebted to her for helping her overcome her depression. That fits her honorable personality IMO and shows how she became a more empathetic person compared to her past self.
Yukari's actions during the answer are realistic for someone grieving the loss of a close friend, I will die on this hill.
King
Ah yes, when I'm grieving and get the chance to go back in time, I too put my friends in harm's way to do it.
@@aleph7056 implying everyone grieves the same as you do
@@pentexsucks43 Since I'm like most people, I would assume so.
@@aleph7056 "since im like most people." what? how does one come to such a stupid conclusion? everyone reacts differently to things, are you 12 or something? that should be common sense, and what constitutes as "like most people"? shittiest take ever
I think Atlus should've called it "The answer to a question nobody asked"
If we have to wait for the fanbase to "Ask" no stories would be made.
I think for minato is likely more his soul being free rather than him being alive again.
I think it important to note that there many thing that happen to Yukari that lead her to acting the way she is in the answer even her thinking irrationally. Yukari from my own experience feel like she clinical depressed and suffering from rare symptoms known as complicated grief (extreme grief) people who in extreme stage of grief had a hard time thinking rational when dealing with major pain, picture this imagine being stabbed with knife, or remember the most painful mental or physical pain and imagine you have to deal with it 15/7 or 24/7. It really deeply painful.
There a lot of risk factor that lead yukari to suffering complicated grief in the answers. Dysfunctional family, isolated, alienated, ambivalent, low self-esteem, overly dependent, avoidant, unexpected (p3 protagonist death). History of early insecure attachment, history of mood or anxiety, history of multiple traumatic event or losses, repressed emotions.
complicated grief is very Intense sorrow and emotional pain with chemical imbalance that take hold of the person mind that will not make any process or put them on a hold for however long.
I hope yukari is more better understand with this context in mind, I do think they could of give her little more logic like going into how the time travel work and how long so on before going full grief again
I thought I leave this link since i think they did a good job going in depth of yukari character
twitter.com/wiill64/status/1109811418554122240?s=19
I appreciate you going out of your way to link that thread, it's something that I'll take a look at when I have the time.
I see where you're coming from, but I personally feel there isn't enough information in the story itself to justify her actions. If we compare the way she acts at the end of the journey to the arena battles in the answer, there is a stark contrast in attitudes towards life. I can't really say I agree with the notion of her having attachment issues because what we see in the journey didn't really sell me. Yukari hates her mom but wants to reconcile by the end of her social link, and her main character arc is her letting go of her father and living her life.
I can't really see her having an obsession over Minato's death because I didn't get much out of their relationship other than it being just a high school crush. But that's my opinion.
Mental health is a very complicated thing and it's different for everyone in the world, but I don't think Persona 3, in general, did a good job at setting this up for Yukari if that was the case. So if I were to look at just what is presented in the story, it feels regressive for her character to me.
I'm happy you got something out of her character in the answer though.
Buh the thread you share are soooo amazing ,thank you for sharing that
@@NamsCompendium Honestly, it feels less "regressive" and more realistic imo. Pretty sure anyone here in her situation would have become in the same state and done the same shit. That's what's good about her, she's realistic and relatable cause you never know what you might do when someone really close to you dies. Also, in the journey there are many hints scattered across the journey (other than the social link) that Yukari might have some romantic feelings towards MC, unfortunately those moments were removed in the anime and replaced with more Aigis screen time (ik this is unrelated but it really bugs me) like the beach scene and how she was really worried about him after he passes out from the first time he summons Orpheus/Thanatos.
Her character makes me cry. I was already feeling sad today but after reading the thread, I already feel a lot sadder. Who knew a fictional character could make me cry
I really appreciate your opinion on Persona 3 The Answer, I never played it despite having Person 3 FES. I slightly disagree with your opinion on the ending of The Answer but it is just a subjective difference of opinion and I still really enjoyed your review of Persona 3 The Answer very much. Great work Nam12399!
Compendium doesn't exist in the answer because elizabeth refused to serve aegis who illegally copied minato's power.
Really?
That's petty if true
Sadly the Answer is why everyone hates the best P3 girl... which I think is unfair.
but why would the Answer make people hate Fuuka?
No no no, that's the *other* robot.
@@t-universegamer7609 nah she belongs in a junkyard
Nah, I always thought Yukari was a bitch in the Journey, she just amplified that bitch scale in the Answer.
Huh I didn't hate mitsuru after the answer
I think the reason they’re split up the way they are makes sense, it’s just poorly explained.
Yukari and Mitsuru are the obvious ones. They want to go back to the past to try and find a way to stop the fall without sacrificing Minato. They’re stuck in the past.
Junpei and Koromaru don’t want to make a decision and just want everyone to calm down. However, meandering in between doesn’t help reach a resolution either.
Ken and Akihiko want to face the future forward, and while ultimately the best decision, they aren’t giving the time to heal the emotional pain the others are going through, which is why they’re being opposed.
Finally, Aigis and Metis haven’t made a decision yet. Unlike Junpei however, they are actively trying to make a choice, and are considering both sides.
I didn’t get that feeling about the protagonist’s death. The way I see it, Makoto could theoretically come back to life but realistically it will never happen, which I felt actually enforced the game’s theme even more because it meant that Makoto was taking responsibility for his actions. I agree with you on pretty much everything else though
The only time ATLUS adding more plot into a re-release that greatly enhanced the story instead of completely ruining it was with P2: Eternal Punishment PSP's Tatsuya Scenario and P5 Royal's Maruki sub-plot
P4G's additional content may not have been the best in the series or anything, but it DEFINITELY did not completely ruin it. It felt tacked on and the dungeon itself was pretty meh, but it did NOT ruin it by any stretch of the imagination. It was completely separate if anything, so it can't really detract from it
I like Maruki's plot, but I wish they'd either put it before either Shido or the Grail.
As is, it really throws off the pacing.
Sensko strong disagree, but to each their own
@@joshkary5040 you can also show your reasons, but to each their own right...?
I understand Yukari freaking out with the chance of saving Minato form his fate, but the problem here is that she went completelly agaisnt the SEES for it, after what happend against Nyx and the losses they've been through, they would be pretty much brothers and sisters at this point, they all share the pain, but nope, this drama is the setup for the characters boss fights, felt like filler if you ask me.
Her reasons for doing it makes sense, if anything it is an important part of her story, end up fighting her friends for it is the problem
These are my exact complaints about Yukari in The Answer.
To be honest, I would be okay with Minato coming back to life, if done right. I believe that with enough effort, it could be done, causing an equally sad and heartbreaking moment like P3’s journey ending. Maybe something like somebody else needing to sacrifice themselves for Minato to come back, testing their loyalty, friendship and love for Minato.
Or you could be given a choice when you play as Agnis, and everyone could turn on each other. Some shit could happen and for like 15 seconds Agnis and Minato switch places with their life’s essence and Minato begs them to stop fighting because he doesn’t want to see them against each other. He blames himself for what happened and how he couldn’t be stronger. After tearful apologies and thank you’s, Agnis and Minato switch back since Agnis is a robot and she doesn’t have a life’s essence.
I’m rambling out of my butthole okay? What I’m trying to say is that If done properly Minato could definitely have a good revival that wraps everything up, or he could have a good conclusion where not only the P3 crew, but the fans realize that Minato needs to stay dead, because that’s his story. If it’s done right I would prefer him coming back to life honestly, but I could live without it.
I have a question. If you were part of SEES and you had a chance to bring back Minato, even if it meant giving up someone else’s life, would you?
Would you fight with Yukari and Mitsuri, who want to sacrifice someone to bring him back, or would you fight on the opposite side, the side that realizes however much they try, and no matter what pain they go through, Minato will never truly come back? Tell me in the comments.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk :) have a nice day
*In reality I’m on Minato’s side, the guy who just wants to nap all day as a statue, like leave ME ALONE-*
Matteo Marshall lol we all have our own opinions and I respect that :D
tbh I bet that if he ever came back to life he would be replacing Elizabeth. It would make sense for her character to decide to switch places with him, seeing as she's more or less used to being in an eternal role.
@Matteo Marshall Well, its true that bringing him back to life will ruin the message of P3. But try to think that: what if he is brought back by force to save the world and die AGAIN?
@Matteo Marshall That would just be pointless for him to exist tbh. Since Atlus have already given the plot hole, then they should fill it. I wouldn't mind if he got bring back and die AGAIN, but it would just be a waste of money, time and effort for let him be in those pointless, non-important fanservice spin-offs.
Just my opinion, no hate comments or fights
@Matteo Marshall Besides, I would like to see Persona 6 being a finale to the original universe and a transference to a brand new universe with new storylines which is non-related to the stories of the original universe, just like JoJo Part 6 Stone Ocean.
I choose for the sake of my sanity to interpret that bringing the protagonist back to life is impossible now, and that at best freeing him would just let his soul pass on and not have to be a door for all eternity
I don't see how Makoto can come back imo. Because it's impossible to not have people that won't wish for death. Which as some other comments pointed out makes it sadder that it can happen but it won't. His death is still forever unlike Chidori's and Shinji's.
Where was it ever implied that the main character could come back? I just finished the answer and never got that vibe. At best, what I took away was 'Minato is fighting an eternal fight so that the world and his friends can live'. People will never stop yearning for death. Life just sucks too much some times. As for Yukari and Mitsuru, they were just given an opportunity they never had before and (in my opinion), the most irrational character in the game was willing to take it. That makes sense to me. It seems like a fairly natural reaction to me. The people I would blame in this scenario are Akihiko and Ken for responding so aggressively, making Yukari feel cornered and making her less likely to listen to reason. I'm not saying anyone's wrong but that's just how I see those two events
THIS
They say that if humanity stops yearning for Death, there would be no need for Makoto's life essence to serve as the Great Seal. Which Nam here (the uploader) perceived as Makoto coming back to life. But most of us in the comments perceived it another way: Makoto's spirit would pass on to the Sea of Souls or whatever afterlife they got instead of serving as a door.
I would like to think more that the message with this part of the game is to "move on" and accepting that he died for them and the World.
He's supposed to be the Messiah, it is told to him from the beginning "You, who wish to safeguard the future" and even in the Credits sequence we see the Persona Messiah as his Ultimate Persona. I think they originally wrote the ending of the Answer as him returning to life if the World stops asking for death as a nod to the biblical messiah, Jesus Christ, who returned to life three days after his death.
I'm not sure if they'll keep that idea in mind for three more games (probably Persona 6), but at this point I don't think they will actually do that (in fact, I think they just forgot about it).
I'll stick to the message of accepting death and moving on, living life to the fullest.
Accel Diamond Accepting death and move on is definitely the message from this game.
I mean, even if erebus becomes no more, One would imagine that all they'd get is allowing Minato's soul to rest in peace instead of sealing Nyx. Unless they plan to clone a new body for him.
I mean..... Sentient robots are canonically a thing, Teddie from P4 being able to gain a body despite only being a shadow..... Making a clone body for Minato isn't too outside the realm of possibility.
I still feel like there could be potential in a story where Joker, Yu, Aigis, Tatsuya, Maya, and Boy With Earring could all come together with their respective teams and work together along with Elizabeth to permanently put down Erebus. After all, we know the Phantom Thieves are capable of stealing Hearts. Perhaps they can also steal Humanity's desire for death as well? Idk.
Persona Infinity War?
(Warning- massive essay read)
I’ll be honest- I strongly disagree with your points on Yukari. While the Journey was about accepting that Death exists and can and will happen at some point, that doesn’t mean it was also about preparing for the grief and depression that comes with it as well- let alone for the person you love the most/ the person who made it possible to reconcile with her mother. I speak from experience- logic and price don’t matter in a state of grief that bad. If you had a sliver of hope to bring someone dear to you back from the dead- you don’t cafe what the cost is. You would take that chance. Granted- I understand that it might be incredibly difficult to understand this point if you haven’t experienced grief at that age that badly like me or Yukari (though the number of people that fall in that category is alarming to say the least), but I wouldn’t say that Yukari showing such extreme grief was bad writing more than being very realistic.
If anything, this brings up my biggest criticism with the plot of The Answer. Everyone takes the grief like champs, and it’s highly unrealistic and unrelatable. Okay- I can buy Akihiko and Junpei realistically dealing with this grief since they have lost people multiple times and have repeatedly moved fine enough as well as being the least emotionally tied members of sees to Makoto, but the others? They should have had a harder time dealing with the grief of losing Makoto (it was realistic for Aigis at first since she deactivated herself after the death of Makoto, but after reactivating herself, she just pushes aside her grief too easily that it’s like the writers forgot she also has a heart like a human. However, Ken is by far the biggest offender here. Ken dealing with the grief well has 2 major issues for me. A) your telling me that a 10 year old kid who tried to kill himself months ago suddenly has grief control like a mature adult? Nope- don’t buy that one bit. That kind of growth is something that boring perfect shoen protagonists do, and Ken is no boring shoen protagonist. And B) imo, dealing with grief and having an unclouded judgement completely undermines his character from the Journey imo. While I was on and off for Ken as a character for multiple reasons, I always thought that his character was suppose to boil down to a kid that wants to act like a mature adult that still shows signs of him being a kid. While I have mixed feelings on how far they went with the mature part (particularly for anyone who wished to be a pedophile in portable as femc), it was for the most part still realistic and relatable. The Answer decides to completely throw away the kid part by giving him godlike grief control and never show his kid side at all in the plot and end up removing any relatability I had with Ken. I can’t connect with Ken at all now since he has unreasonable grief control for a kid his age. Simply put, to me, The Answer did to Ken what many claim The Answer did to Yukari- completely undermine the character)
That said, I will agree that Mitsuru’s behavior was problematic here. While I understand why she went with Yukari (personal vows and whatnot), what the hell was she thinking leaving it up to chance to see if Yukari would move past her anger phase of grief for so long? While it did get better when she promised to be with Yukari in her most desperate hours, she still took way too long to freaking get there. While I liked The Answer decently enough since it was about dealing with the grief and depression after death does happen (morseso with Yukari because of how realistic she is) the things that bother me in the plot really do bother me a lot.
As for gameplay, I haven’t played it myself, but I probably never will because I have heard enough about how much of a grindfest it is (and like hell would I trust the AI to do my combat for me.)
"A) your telling me that a 10 year old kid who tried to kill himself months ago suddenly has grief control like a mature adult? Nope- don’t buy that one bit"
I don't see why not...I mean losing your mother, Shinjiro and the MC can make you numb to these kind of stuff to an extent.
@@Miyakolover if that were the case, he wouldn’t be able to feel happiness at all.
@@Mojo1356 It's a coping mechanism that many of us could use to try and stay happy in hard times.
The way I see it, Ken already has experienced this enough time that he can pretty much handle it at this point.
@@Miyakolover yeah- Ultimax would like a word with you.
@@Mojo1356 You do realize that happened 3 years later in Ken's life, right?
I did like the answer. I interpreted Minato being free from the seal as him resting in peace rather than in eternal limbo with Erebus and Nyx. Not coming back to life.
Also, Yukari and Misturu's story was very moving. In my canon, Yukari fell in love with the protagonist in addition to having a great debt to him. She may have learnt a lot during The Journey, but we all go against our better judgement when times are desperate.
Persona 3 is about death, not heroics. And their course of action isn't portrayed as righteous. But grieving a loved one, even to an obsessive degree lies heavily within the theme. The game is only better because of its inclusion.
Minato coming back as a The World Arcana in a next instalment of persona would be the ultimate gigachad move
But he's the universe.
I feel like that the final boss should've been some demon that represents/was attracted towards everyone's despair over Minato's death, and the reason they can't escape is that they can't escape that day Minato died in their minds, and it should've been about moving on in the wake of such a tragedy instead of 'oh we'll change the world so this guy who died can come back'
actually i disagree with "coming back to life" bit. Imo getting rid of erebus would just let his soul finally to rest in peace, not necessarily come to life, since his body is long gone by that point.
I always got the impression that "rescuing" Minato meant releasing his soul and letting him rest and not actually resurrecting him. Although one side of me would like to see a happy ending for the SEES team and Minato, I don't know what would qualify an ordeal big enough to overcome the importance of the game's message.
Anyways, the task needed to rescue him is pretty much impossible by definition. For something to be important there has to exist something else that proves its value. Memories with people become the strongest and most valuable when those people are no longer around. Virtues are important because negative behaviour exists to show their worth. Good exists because there is evil. If you eliminate one factor then everything becomes stale and meaningless because there is nothing to compare it to. So, by definition, for one to exist, the other must exist as well. Door kun, sadly, is doomed, unless someone else takes his place.
Small thing, when you talked about the Shadow Protag Bossfight beating you because Odin was weak to wind... Since that boss copies the personas of your active party you could've just taken out Yukari so he can't use wind spells. Doesn't change the fact that the lack of a compedium sucks but you could've made it easier than grinding for another Surt :D
Finally reached the ending, and I can easily say that you're wrong about everything, especially Yukari.
Pretty much
The Answer is a good addition imo.
Ok, the Chidori revival and Minato’s potential return SUCK, but I do think Shinjiro’s coma actually fits with the spin on P3’s themes that Minako brings. Persona 3 starts with “remember that you will die” and Minako’s existence continues that statement with “so, don’t give up before it’s really over.” The actual way things play out sucks but thematically, Minako forging a bond with Shinjiro and giving him that little spark of hope means a lot
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the way i read this was not that p3 protagonist could come back to life.
i read it as his soul can be put to rest. his soul is holding the door shut. once he is no longer needed he can rest.
9:58 It's amazing how youtubers will put contradictory evidence to their points in their video. Ken said the following "personally... I still think it's because he used all his power to accomplish that miracle" - ie. it is his opinion that Minato sacrificed himself. At no point do they have any evidence about what happened to Minato until close to the end of the Answer.
The best jab I've ever heard someone do to yukari had to do with her early game in makoto/minato's awakening and that jab was "what tf she gonna do heal the shadow?"
Wasn't half the point of The Answer supposed to be a challenging bonus mode for people who liked the original P3's gameplay?
I think that if Makoto is brought back in, say, a game after P6, it wouldn't be that bad. It'd have been nearly 20 years since P3 and his death by then. The message has already been made clear.
I think this can be compared to how I don't agree with people's complaints on how the FFVII Remake changes some specific things with some characters.
Imagine the p3 protagonist is like the protagonist in p6 or p7 since his friends are all old or possibly dead he has to build new bonds
I wouldnt like Makoto brought back since most likely thats Impossible so....I would like for him to be ReIncarnated instead , having a fully new character with the same personality as he is in Persona 3 and at least he will Remember the Past.
Yall are literally ignoring the message of p3. Accept death and move, live your life to the fullest. You guys aren't accepting makoto's.
I have seen many people not understand what Yukari's story was about or misunderstand what The Answer actually is.
The Answer is a story about grief and Yukari is literally one of the most important characters of that narrative.
Because she is the one who is actually hurting the most in that narrative.
Yukari is in pain, serious, profound pain and it is not unjustified.
Somebody she loved died and she doesn't know what to do with that.
The story of The Answer is about dealing with grief and all the characters have different perspectives on it. Because clearly all of them cared about the protagonist, but everybody is in a different head space during the story.
And Yukari is the one in the most humane space. She is deeply and badly hurting that she lost a loved one. Aegis is also like that, but she ended disconecting of her feelings, while Yukari can barely control hers.
The fights in The Answer with the party members are more a way to grieve in group than a battle to the death or anything. Everybody is grieving and fighting is literally all they can do with the grief. That is why "Heartful cry" is such a good song for the fights.
And Yukari is the central character of the grief narrative, because she is the one grieving the most. She is being irrational and lost, yeah. Somebody she loved DIED. It honestly the most humane response. She is being irrational, but for good reasons.
And that is the saving grace of that story. Because the grief narrative is the literal basis of The Answer and the reason the story is actually happening. And Yukari's arc is the literal climax of that story, at the end of the fight with Aegis.
It is actually the reason The Answer actually works as a story.
I just realized, in part one, you didn't even mention KOROMARU
While I agree the Answer is for the most part bad, I disagree with some of your arguments: not having an entire formation of enemies with the same weakness is not a fuck-up, it just doesn't make it a cake-walk. Not having a compendium means being calculated when fusing for a new persona and making sure your bases are covered when you do that, personally I really didn't have an issue with it. So both of these make the combat aspect more challenging, but it drags on because there's too much of it, not because it's changed.
And lastly, no, I really don't think it's implied Minato can come back to life if so and so happens, but that his soul can rest, which is a perfectly reasonable future development if it ever comes up again.
This video honestly makes me appreciate Royal WAY more. The fact that Atlus was willing to delve deeper into the themes of Persona 5 and what it really means for humanity (rather than undermining it like they did in FES) says to me that they are starting to branch out of their comfort zone.
To be fair Minato/Makoto reviving is purely hypothetical right? it sounds like he could come back if ALL of humanity has the will to live but thats not gonna happen if were being honest.
I think it was supposed to be a hopefull thing to remind the characters and possibly the player "yeah hes dead but keep moving on type thing and one day who knows what will happen"
Thats fitting because Atlus ended up bringing him and everyone else back a few times.
Well it probably already happened in the P5R 3rd semester.
@@renamamiya5997 that's the part that stings the most
I found an x8 exp and controllable party members cheat file just for The Answer.
I've watched a lot of analysis about P3 but no one's ever touched on why is death the final boss when the whole theme of this game's learning how to accept and deal with loss and become stronger because of it supposedly. Am i the only one seeing the contradiction in the very concept or am i missing something? If going against death is metaphor for how to accept and deal with it then i think they should've handled it differently, by not making the characters literally go against it for example because in the end the result is them refusing to accept death and all they accomplish is just delay the inevitable and if that isn't the definition of futile and meaningless and the total opposite of what the game's been trying to preach from the beginning then i don't know what is.
And then the whole Chidori coming back to life thing only reinforces my idea that the writers didn't really think this through, ending up giving people mixed messages and naturally leaving them thinking so what was the point of all this talk about accepting death throughout the game? And then they did it again in The Answer. What am i supposed to think: that it was their plan all along to make everything meaningless, a typical case of all talk and no substance, or did they genuinely lack vision to such a degree? Whichever the case is, it's undeniable that they make characters' beliefs and entire events contradict each other at some points.
I certainly see where you're coming from, so I'll give my take on what SEES going against Nyx means. I believe that it's less "We're going to deny our fate and fight for the right to live on!" and more "We're going to die no matter what we do, so we may as well go out in our way" They went up to fight Nyx knowing full well that they were most likely going to die. Sure, they were saying that they were going to win, but I personally took that more as building moral before the fall. The point is that they didn't fear death anymore and were still willing to fight for what they believe in until the end. The members of SEES didn't want to lose their memories because the death of their loved ones is what defined them as people and was the main catalyst to their growth (quality of those character arcs aside)
Chidori coming back to life and Shinji not dying in P3P is terrible and I have no idea why they thought that was suitable for this type of story, I very much agree with what you're saying there. A lot of the additions to Persona 3 rereleases has certainly muddied the game's themes and I feel as though a lot of people in charge of the new story additions forgot what Persona 3 was even about.
@@NamsCompendium okay I guess it makes sense then if I see it more that way. Fighting death for the memories of loved ones is an honorable reason for sure. At least this reason doesn't make me angry lol
I guess the writers felt kinda bad for how sad those two characters' stories were and that's why they did it lol but having consistency and conviction of the message you're trying to send is def more important.
@@NamsCompendium probably because the FeMC part is actually a different universe where the P3 main protagonist is, well, a girl. It's certainly possible that in that universe, she saves Shinjiro. I think it's more explained in Q2, but I can't really say as I haven't even touched it.
@@GiordanDiodato it is quite explained when the two MCs meet that they feel familiar to each other, like they are two sides of the same coin. "I am you, and You are me" the two MC are literally parallels and opposites of each other.
Ah yes, the post-game epilogue where Aigis learns how to face the Future Connected.
they never outright say he could come back to life, just that he would be freed from the seal. Physically speaking, he's 6 feet under. It's more of a soul thing than a literal return to life.
5:08 this is just mid/late-game Tartarus though?
"It's almost like the characters had to regress in character development to make this work" Yeah that's the entire point of a story about getting over the grief of the death of a person that got you out of that initial hole
It's kind of telling how many people don't care for the answer because I didn't even know it existed as a casual persona fan until I stumbled across this video
Or people are just sheep that follow whatever's trendy...and whining about The Answer was quite the trend back then.
The answer were harder than the journey because on the answer the difficulty were on hard by default. So there are many shadows type on one battle
Also, the bosses flatout knew what your weaknesses were
It's still a hassle
Imo, the only things of value that is lost with The Answer not being in the reload are three things. The very last moment with Yukari and Aigis really does bring a massive smile to my face, Heartful Cry being one of the best battle themes in the series, and Brand New Days... which had the potential to be the best song in the whole series but suffers greatly with the context of The Answer. I guess I COULD see The Answer working but I don't know if people following the sudden love for The Answer band wagon realize how strange so many of the core story decisions really are.
I think it's just counter bandwagon hopping. Sudden love for The Answer, or just riding it, simply because Reload's release is right around the corner.
Someone should tell Elizabeth that so she can come home already, she's still looking for 'The Answer' to freeing him too after all.
For every step forward each character takes they take 2 steps back. Except yukari she took 20 steps back
And then 20 steps forward again. Character development isn't an irreversible, permanent thing. People can lapse back into toxic states of mind and recover from them just the same. What Yukari went through is almost in every way more traumatic than what she's already been through, so to expect her to maintain some sort of steely, heroic resolve after she's told she might be able to bring back her dead friend is stupid and unrealistic in and of itself. Besides, her journey almost parallels the five stages of grief to a tee, so I'd hardly even call it unnecessary, especially not when she learns from it and becomes a better person _right fucking after._
That animation before Minato fights is so cool. However, I cannot help but think of Code MENT:
"So, you're going to shoot me, huh? Good luck doing that when I am already dead!"
I watched both of your P3 videos. I haven't finished Persona 3 cuz I was in high school and didn't have the time, for that long of a game. I ain't gonna lie, I did skip some parts of the video cuz I didn't want to get spoiled but that is only because you made me want to replay P3. These 2 videos were awesome and after watching the first P3 video I subscribed immediately and proceeded to watch the second video. I really like that you took your time analyzing the game, pointing out its flaws and strengths in detail, etc. These long types of videos are really refreshing for me and I hope to see more of them in the future. But I do have to ask, which is your personal favorite Persona game? And do you think that P3 could be the best Persona game if we got a remake of it (mainly fixing the battel mechanics and some social links)?
Mitsuru best girl.
Uroš thanks for watching. I hope you get around to finishing P3 soon because the ending of the journey really is something special.
Persona 4 is easily my favourite one because I can connect with a lot of the characters in that game (both the major and minor ones) though it’s not without its flaws too. I’d go into a lot more detail, but I’m currently in the process of writing the script for a Persona 4 analysis so I’ll save the discussion for that video.
If persona 3 was remade and a lot of the issues I had with it were cleaned up and rewritten, i think it would really help reach its full potential. I personally think that whatever persona game people consider to be the best one is the game that they can relate to the most. I think Persona 5 is the best made game, but I like persona 4 and some aspects of 3 more than that game because those ones affected me as a person more than 5 did. It would be cool to see what a persona 3 remake would look like and how they’d handle the characters.
Mitsuru best girl.
The Answer was an unecessary addition to an already good story... this could have been handled differently like like turning it into an anime adaptation or a movie you unlock when you get 100% completion of the P3 game
So your P3 analysis popped up in my recommended videos a few days after I finished my first playthrough of P5R and after paying P3FES last summer I have the compulsive desire to hear people talk about P3 a lot. I honestly think the whole Party Tournament Arc would have fit better in P5 in the lead up to Okumura and probably could have made sense in the new P5R month to maybe extend the length of the game to actually give us a playable Third Semester and not just...January and three days of February. I think one of the bigger issues with the tournament bit is that SEES feels like a tighter nit group after what they go through than the Phantom Thieves, (for context, I got into Persona with P5 and am in the process of going back to play the other games. I have a copy of P4 but haven't gotten to it yet and I would like to play P1 and P2 duology if ATLUS would port them those fucking cowards) and so it's less believable to me when SEES has a falling out than the Thieves. Honestly the only person who should be pissed is Koromaru cause the quality of his food suddenly drops off (YEAH I KNOW YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE GOODEST BOY, THERE IS A REASON I HAVE THE VIDEO OF KOROMARU'S BATTLE QUOTES SAVED AND NO OTHER PARTY MEMBER'S BECAUSE HE'S JUST TOO GOOD >:( ).
FINALLY THE ANSWER SHAMING
Hm, I don't exactly interpret it as Minato/Makoto being able to comeback to life. After all, his physical body is dead. I think his soul would be freed and maybe he can finally rest in peace. Or maybe he's reborn and knows nothing/remembers nothing of his past self. That's about it. But the Minato/Makoto we played in the original FES I think is gone for good. If ATLUS really wanted to just resurrect him as he was, they wouldn't keep making excuses on why he's alive again for all their spin offs. "Oh this is before the final battle. Oh, this is an alternate timeline. Oh technically that hasn't happened yet so don't question it."
"Hopefully in the future it stays that way"
*Persona 4 arena confirming The Answer to be canon*
Welp,.....oof on that one.
I can sympathize/understand Yukari's action, so I don't really hate her that much. Well, most people seem to think so at least,
I'm okay with the story of P3 and FES too. Still my favorite among the modern Persona series (3 4 5). Imo this game's message is to accept death and move on with our lives.
Most? I’m positive we are in the minority my friend even though it should be the majority.
@Mojo1356 My opinion on Yukari has changed for the better recently after reexamining her character. She was acting completely irrationally, yes, but humans do irrational things when they grieve or suffer great emotional pain.
Yukari is a great example of a flawed character. I greatly appreciate that kind of character, because their flaws humanize them.
@@Mojo1356 Most as in most people dislike Yukari but I think we have the same idea here.
@@nathanlabrador7664 Absolutely agree with your take.
@@nathanlabrador7664 thank you.
I don't think you quite understood the ending of Persona 3 the Answer.
it doesn't ruin Makoto Yuki/Minato Arisato's death, why? because yeah there's an implication he could return, but in reality the world is too depressed and still wishes death, something that can never be changed as a result of how messed up the world is, this utlimately shows that Minato cannot be revived and forces the group to accept that he's never coming back.
Thanks youtube
This really helped me where to find a fucking ebony dagger, very cool, this is definitely skyrim youtube search bar, very accurate
I don't think there was ever an indication that the protagonist/Minato would be revived just that it's possible under circumstances that are beyond control like the world no longer wishing for Nyx to exist, it's called grief coping, what this whole section is about, it's an unnecessary add-on to the story with boring gameplay but it does actually serve a purpose
I agree with overall everything you stated. The music is incredible.
I understand you dislike the ending of The Answer because essentially what was being said is that if the world changes for the better, Makoto will come back. But I honestly believe that logically makes sense. I believe that SHOULD happen. Of course, it won't because humans are incredibly emotional creatures but that is the point I believe. The fact that the the masses will never change, solidifies the fact that Makoto will never return. So in my eyes that doesn't bother me.
I honestly don't want to dislike Yukari. I think she is a very human character. Even though her decision is fairly ignorant in The Answer, it definitely is realistic. I heavily disliked Yukari's attitude and overall the way she acted in The Journey and ESPECIALLY The Answer. Despite Makoto being her love interest, she treats his death as if it is nothing. As if everything they been through was nothing. It was incredibly selfish and infuriating.
Now about the gameplay/the Abyss of Time, it is absolutely abysmal, terrible. By far the worst dungeon out of any dungeon in Persona. I also find Tartarus to be the worst as well, but that is a topic for another day.
I agree with u all the way 👍👍
Ngl the thumbnail almost made me think this was a Cosmonaut video...
I mean isn’t Elizabeth looking for a way to free Minato and revive him as well?
Have they done anything with that plot line?
@@rawrdino7046 not since persona 4 area ultimax I don’t think
I think that in my opinion the reason The Answer falls so short beyond Atlus trying to make the whole concept of the inevitability of death from The Journey a moot point, is that it seems to revert a lot of the character development of the cast, and cheapens not only the sacrifice the MC had, but softens a blow that is meant to absolutely destroy you at your core. I am glad that The Answer gives us more insight into what occurred and the hole left behind by his death, but it was really like Atlus couldn't stand the thought of having their players sad in a game that has no happy ending, where even in the intro that plays before you reach the main menu it tells you that death is a fact of life and that this won't be a happy story. So Atlus just turning around and deciding that their central theme doesn't seem to matter really cheapens the experience overall in one of the greatest themes in the series.
Awesome commentary as always 👍👍🔥🔥
I’m pretty sure there are many people who weren’t happy about this games ending. In fact, I almost shed a tear after watching it for the first time....And they are currently only three other games in history that have made me do this. I guess I can agree with your points, but I don’t have a problem with them changing this to the point we can possibly come back. What might’ve been better is that they make a non-canon side event that could bring him back. That way everybody is happy?
i just wanna see door-kun happy and alive, they should make a new expansion that brings him back to live
No
No
@@dojikazu3903 no u
Nope
Not sure if someone has already suggested but I would recommend watching the Elizabeth story from the game Persona 4 Arena. It delivers an amazing epilogue to P3 without retconing the ending
Gonna be real, I really like the Answer. I think that while yes, it is needlessly brutal and difficult, It really does open up some interesting points.
I think Yukari gets developed really well here. She was denying how much Minato meant to her, and that he was more than a teammate. It kind of makes me sad people don't see that Yukari acting unreasonably is the entire point. She's in this state of bargaining in her grief, and when someone presents an opportunity to potentially save him, however impossible or unlikely it is, she latches onto it without thinking, her emotions getting the best of her. Quite literally she was looking without seeing. Mitsuru backing her up is also quite emotional to me, and ties to her Persona's evolution, where Yukari taught her that she didn't need to act as leader all the time, she was person first and she can share those problems. She opens up to Yukari, and I think she really trusts in her specifically. Yukari stood by her side, so Mitsuru wants to do the same.
I also love Erebus as a concept. It proves Nyx wasn't a malevolent entity, but simply was at the call of humanity, represented by the collective human shadow, Erebus. I think Erebus then as the representation of the shadows of all humans is a pretty awesome concept. It's essentially the ultimate evil that can never die unless the source is removed.
I also don't think the possibility of saving Minato is a bad thing, I think it gives SEES a motivation for trying to improve life, and teaching their message that life is precious. I think the suggestion is actually quite interesting, combined with what Margaret says about Elizabeth trying to save him in Persona 4.
I'm not sure if this is 100% true, but apparently they made The Answer because so many people didn't realize that Makoto had died. This could be completely false, but it's kinda funny for me to think about.
Also, it's definitely not that Makoto can be revived. It's often implied that people just want to set his soul free so he can truly rest in peace.
Thank you for bringing more awareness to how badly The Answer meddles with the original themes of The Journey.
8:55 dissapears is not the right word here Shadow minato literally Rots away starting from skin then muscles then bones. You see all of it and its horrifying. Also Minato cant come back at this point. They buried his body he didnt vanish its only his soul that became the seal. even during the answer his body would have been well into the 50 shades of rotting. We dont know what happened to the P3 crew during P5 but we did see them in P4 Arena Ultimax wich takes place around 4 to 5 years after P3. Minato's body is but a skeleton at that point he cant come back unless they pull a time travel on us. What Elizabeth and the P3 crew are trying to do now is to release Minato's soul so he can fucking finally find peace.
While I agree the gameplay is very repetitive, I personally think the story was phenomenal in the Answer. I think if they simply revived Makoto in this game it would have been weird, but planting the seeds isn’t necessarily negative to me. Going off of what they did in Persona 4’s NG+ Margaret scene and Persona 4 Arena, they are taking there time before tackling the “Revival of Makoto”. It is clear to me that they care a lot about respecting the original game and are probably trying to find the perfect story to do it. Honestly, and this may be a hot take, I don’t think reviving Makoto ruins P3. People seem to forget that his death was only ever implied and never confirmed in the Journey. Of all things, the Answer is what confirmed his “death”, but then in the same game they reveal he was a seal. I respect your opinion as well as the opinions of others, but I don’t see how this would break the narrative. Reviving Shinjiro is something that I’d actually think would hurt the story. Who knows, maybe I’m wrong, but I wanted to share this view point. This was definitely a well made video overall though. Keep up the good work.
Also, this is a little off topic from my initial comment, but I think the Chidori revival was smart cause despite her being alive there was still consequences. She lost her Persona powers and she lost her memory. Plus her revival didn’t take away Junpei’s character as he still went through an arc losing her. The one revival I don’t think works is Shinjiro in P3P as he is just immediately said to be in a coma, which makes Ken and Akihiko’s reactions less powerful imo, as he never really dies. Again though, this is my silly little opinion.
I'd rather watch The Answer than play it.
I’d say the greatest part of the answer is when you listen to that great background music against the sees members
FACTS
There is legit no reason for the answer to exist. Also who thought aigis as a main charecter was a good idea? Sure shes a good charecter in base game but in her old story as the main charecter? very stupid and felt just wrong on so many levels.