Tietze/Schenk is a good choice! It requires mathematical background for the needed formula, which is a must for professional technicians. I started basic electronics as a pupil hobbiest with much lighter electronic books from Franzis Verlag which I can clearly recommend for young beginners who are keen to 1st make something that works and after success wanting to learn technically details about how and why that works and what further modifications can be made and how calculate expected behaviour of such a circuit.
actually have both books from tietze and horovitz, --the latest ones too, -- I like both for certain reason, But read both in the original language, I am a retired retired electronic engineer living in the silicon valley, and still practicing electronic from DC to light
How do you read such a book? Im a beginner in electronics and want to read it too but failed several times. Do you schedule your reading time or do you just read when you feel like it. Do you take notes etc.?
@@leander11of cource taking notes, you can even learn some crucial stuff and explain meterial u've read couples days ago to friend or family member. Another advantage of taking notes is that that would develop a habbit, called the enginnering daybook...
Hey Tam just ran across this. Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course (Paperback) by Paul Horowitz, Thomas C. Hayes It's the companion book to the third edition. Think I'll pick one of these up in the future. Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Not certain about the points made but ,if anyone else is searching for introduction to electronics try Elumpa Circuits Expert Alchemist (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my co-worker got cool results with it.
I like both of them. I am reading the original Materialien der Elektronik und Energietechnik, learning Deutsche and Electronics at the same time! By the way, not that hard to translate it yourself, Math is Math and so many similar words shared by Deutsche and English...
I literally grew up on the second edition of TAoE, so it has a special place in my heart. The only reason I don't have the others is because I couldn't obtain them. (TAoE was a gift, though I don't remember from whom, since I have worn the cover off!) F. E. Terman's "Electronic and Radio Engineering" (fourth edition) was another staple of my childhood reading diet, though it is much more focused on RF, and mostly has valve based implementations. Still, the treatment of electromagnetic fields was very helpful during my early education in the Arts. Also: I assume that the battery section from H&H that you showed was from the third edition, since the second edition's batery section is quite good. I don't know why they didn't reference back to that instead of some extension. (Well, aside from the whole money thing I guess, though battery technology has changed quite a bit, so maybe it's just that) Anyway, thank you for the informative, and enjoyable video!
Nice video on the comparisons of two highly detailed books. As requested I prefer the Art of Electronics as explained, by you. The reason is that the German book is more of an Engineers book while the Art of Electronics is more of a technicians book. Unless someone is going to actually design circuits from scratch, which is not much these days as a technician or hobbyist, it would not really be needed. Most of the time when I do design a circuit I use the engineering examples from the manufactures data sheets, or the application sheets. Also when designing circuits the data sheet or application sheets will already have the math and comparison charts already done for you. So unless I were designing highly specialized equipment from scratch I always go for the manual that is less mathematical specialized and more application specialized. Thanks for the informative video Tam. Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Hello Keith, thank you so much for your comment. In fact, after doing this video, I found one more use for my Tietze&Schenk: I finally tried to get up to speed with my 4195A, and - surprise surprise - Tietze actually provided an excellent explanation of S parameters. Of course, the maths is and remains a killer. Oh man: in fact, I might want to make another video now on the value of old issues of electronics books. But for that, I still need to wait for my repair tools for the two Unigor 6E units. Tam
Yep I couldn't agree more. I also keep old editions of books at work and at home. I've found that just because there's a new toy on the block, it doesn't mean the someone has replaced their old electronics. I have found that these old books have in many cases been invaluable in repairing older electronics. I have an old ECG book called "Transistor Transistor Logic - TTL Data Manual" published in 1981. It is still relevant at work here because of the old equipment we repair. We also use a really old program called FEDLOG Interactive. It's three generations out of date as far as part numbers and Characteristics are concerned. But it contains old part numbers not carried in the new WEBFLIS. Also the old FEDLOG Interactive will list every Military Stock Number associated with that part number where the new WEBCLIS does not. So I agree with you, just because it's old doesn't mean it's obsolete. I have also found that some of the older manuals contain more specific information on parts and procedures that a new book simply steps over and lists a replacement part with little details. So by all means ALWAYS keep those old technical books, you never know when you can learn something from them. Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Sounds to me like the German books are intended for an audience of integrated circuit designers. TAoE is intended for discrete level design, interfacing the already pre-made, pre-packaged integrated circuits. Both have value, but the latter has a broader reach. Sure, it may help to understand the very fundamental semiconductor physics, but that's probably asking too much of people that probably don't have any formal education involving semiconductors.
Hello, this is indeed possible. But I also think it is a general question of the approach - I saw something similar when I got my hands onto some US calculus books years ago...
Could be, but in the portion of current sources, there are some interesting circuits for a bipolar current source made with op-amps and transistors. This German book is much more in depth than the AoE, imho.
Danke für das schöne Video. Habe mir aufgrund der Empfehlung das Buch "analoge Schaltungen" bestellt und bin schon gespannt mal reinzuschauen, wenn es da ist 🙂
Thanks a lot for comparing & sharing your opinion. Could you please explain me a couple things though. Why neighter aoe nor tietze_schenk do not include any worked examples and or excercises, well in aoe one can encounter some few... How one has to read schaltungstechnik and learn from it? Chapter by chapter, or is that book intended to be a huge formelsammlung? Continuing the discussion about diodes and transistors, i'm a lillte confused why aoe and tietze do not mention valence_electrons while mentioning Si_doping...?
Interesst for those books come from tip nr. 9 of pragmatic programmer book. Im in IT actually and after elliot's avr book i picked up the fundamental electrical and electronic principles book.
Reading aoe on a 6inch 300dpi e_ink display feels very inconvenient mostly because of the two column page layout. There is no quick fix for it, though it's still possible to convert the two column into a single column. (Ever opened a pdf with a texteditor? Iso 32000) it would be necessary to convert page by page, so be prepared getting hands dirty
Great overview . Never heard of any of the books you mentioned besides the art of electronics. Thanks for these details . Would love to find a copy of any of the other books if you have any links . Liked and subscribed
The Art of Electronics, while practical, is simply a bunch of solutions thrown at you with an explanation about how it works. If you want to start quickly cooking something up, this is the way to go. The X chapters also have some interesting and practical content about passive components. I find it fun, nonetheless, grabbing their circuit implementations, generalizing them and creating new circuits, but I can do that since I'm seasoned engineer in the semiconductor industry, I doubt I could've done any of that fresh out of my masters...
@@MrTamhan one more thing I like and dislike about AoE. There's a chapter in AoE that talks about precision design, which is probably one of the most useful things of the book. On the other hand, in the X chapters I cringed at some claims in page 179 that say a voltage amplifier has been designed without negative feedback but only source degeneration (i.e negative feedback). Funny and contradictory...
Great video! Im learning little about electronics in my Bachelor of Computer Science. What i need is advice in choosing my next book since i am aiming for a Master in Computer engineering, any suggestions?
@@MrTamhan Im having fun working with Arduino and im eager to understand more about Elektronics. I need a book about semi-conductors (i am sure about that), but i think im missing something.
@@tomretterath1125 Hello Tom, puh, this is a good question. If you want to do digital electronics, maybe I can recommend my book on microcontrollers...I think about making a review video. You can also check alibris - my issue is that I know a few, but many are in German...
@@electronicsgyan2390 hi man, sorry for being a bit slow. This is indeed a bit difficult...both of the books, in terms of English, are not too simple. May I ask which languages are easier for you?
@@electronicsgyan2390 Man if you do hindi, go to an university library and check. Indian market is full of really, really good scientific publishers man! You people still read, so there are many good books which never make it to the Anglosphere or even to Germany.
What books would you recommend to someone whos just getting into Electronics for the first time, I can speak both german and english. Thanks in advance.
Hello, hmm, that is a bit hard. The Art of Electronics and the Student Manual definitely are not bad....I generally buy a lot and look around....a bit difficult to give an advice to straight off the bat. Tietze and Schenk, if you can get an old edition used, are quite OK too
The Vitruvian Man hello, thanks for talking back! Sadly, I dont have the Practical Electronics book - if you work for the publisher or know someone there, let me know though!
Hello, thank you so much. To which language are you looking for? If you send me an email to tamhan at tamoggemon dot com, I can put you in touch with the General Assesorate of Springer. They can then tell you the ISSN and all! Tam
Tam Hanna English would be great. Do you recommend some books for beginner in analog electronics. I just bought "principle of electronics-v.k. mehta" as it seems to me like nice, well written book, what do you think if i can ask? Warum bist du wach in dieser Stunde :D
Hello, analog electronics is a bit hard - it depends how much you already know. The book by Seifart, which I showed in the Video, is also quite interesting as is the AoE - my approach, basically, is to look at various sources as I have yet to find one which satisfies me completely. Re wakeupness: cant sleep ;). Am an Insomniac... Tam
Tam Hanna Well i guess it is, as i am not able to get satisfying answers from my proffesors. Simply i am trying to find some book to learn op amps... what exactly is Vos, Ios, Rcm, Rd, CMRR, maybe build some simple op amp with transistors... and so on, for me that is analog electronics. If you come across something like this pls tell me. Well maybe i am to, i am in same time zone xD
Tietze/Schenk is a good choice! It requires mathematical background for the needed formula, which is a must for professional technicians. I started basic electronics as a pupil hobbiest with much lighter electronic books from Franzis Verlag which I can clearly recommend for young beginners who are keen to 1st make something that works and after success wanting to learn technically details about how and why that works and what further modifications can be made and how calculate expected behaviour of such a circuit.
Thank you so much for talking back! Ah, the old days of Franzis - it is a pity what has become of them...
actually have both books from tietze and horovitz, --the latest ones too, -- I like both for certain reason, But read both in the original language, I am a retired retired electronic engineer living in the silicon valley, and still practicing electronic from DC to light
Hello Alexander,
thank you so much for talking back! May I ask what brought you to the USA or where you learned German?
VS? I have both, H/H and T/S. They are different books with different approaches and different math requirements.
Hello, thank you. However, I got this question all the time...and so I wanted to answer it!
I am reading now Horowitz, finding it really interesting. Thank to your video I will also consider the one from Tietze & Schenk.
How do you read such a book? Im a beginner in electronics and want to read it too but failed several times. Do you schedule your reading time or do you just read when you feel like it. Do you take notes etc.?
@@leander11of cource taking notes, you can even learn some crucial stuff and explain meterial u've read couples days ago to friend or family member. Another advantage of taking notes is that that would develop a habbit, called the enginnering daybook...
Thank you for a new book
Hey Tam just ran across this. Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course (Paperback)
by Paul Horowitz, Thomas C. Hayes It's the companion book to the third edition. Think I'll pick one of these up in the future.
Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Not certain about the points made but ,if anyone else is searching for introduction to electronics try Elumpa Circuits Expert Alchemist (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my co-worker got cool results with it.
Never heard of it before....so I cannot review or recommend it
I like both of them. I am reading the original Materialien der Elektronik und Energietechnik, learning Deutsche and Electronics at the same time! By the way, not that hard to translate it yourself, Math is Math and so many similar words shared by Deutsche and English...
Loved this video, thank you so much
I'll mostly make a purchase for the art of electronics
Thank you! If I can help in any way, let me know!
I literally grew up on the second edition of TAoE, so it has a special place in my heart. The only reason I don't have the others is because I couldn't obtain them. (TAoE was a gift, though I don't remember from whom, since I have worn the cover off!) F. E. Terman's "Electronic and Radio Engineering" (fourth edition) was another staple of my childhood reading diet, though it is much more focused on RF, and mostly has valve based implementations. Still, the treatment of electromagnetic fields was very helpful during my early education in the Arts.
Also: I assume that the battery section from H&H that you showed was from the third edition, since the second edition's batery section is quite good. I don't know why they didn't reference back to that instead of some extension. (Well, aside from the whole money thing I guess, though battery technology has changed quite a bit, so maybe it's just that)
Anyway, thank you for the informative, and enjoyable video!
Hello,
sorry for being silent for so long - I need a new lab. The moment I have more space, i'll produce more videos...also on more books!
Tam
Nice video on the comparisons of two highly detailed books. As requested I prefer the Art of Electronics as explained, by you. The reason is that the German book is more of an Engineers book while the Art of Electronics is more of a technicians book. Unless someone is going to actually design circuits from scratch, which is not much these days as a technician or hobbyist, it would not really be needed. Most of the time when I do design a circuit I use the engineering examples from the manufactures data sheets, or the application sheets. Also when designing circuits the data sheet or application sheets will already have the math and comparison charts already done for you. So unless I were designing highly specialized equipment from scratch I always go for the manual that is less mathematical specialized and more application specialized. Thanks for the informative video Tam.
Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Hello Keith,
thank you so much for your comment.
In fact, after doing this video, I found one more use for my Tietze&Schenk: I finally tried to get up to speed with my 4195A, and - surprise surprise - Tietze actually provided an excellent explanation of S parameters. Of course, the maths is and remains a killer.
Oh man: in fact, I might want to make another video now on the value of old issues of electronics books. But for that, I still need to wait for my repair tools for the two Unigor 6E units.
Tam
Yep I couldn't agree more. I also keep old editions of books at work and at home. I've found that just because there's a new toy on the block, it doesn't mean the someone has replaced their old electronics. I have found that these old books have in many cases been invaluable in repairing older electronics. I have an old ECG book called "Transistor Transistor Logic - TTL Data Manual" published in 1981. It is still relevant at work here because of the old equipment we repair. We also use a really old program called FEDLOG Interactive. It's three generations out of date as far as part numbers and Characteristics are concerned. But it contains old part numbers not carried in the new WEBFLIS. Also the old FEDLOG Interactive will list every Military Stock Number associated with that part number where the new WEBCLIS does not. So I agree with you, just because it's old doesn't mean it's obsolete. I have also found that some of the older manuals contain more specific information on parts and procedures that a new book simply steps over and lists a replacement part with little details. So by all means ALWAYS keep those old technical books, you never know when you can learn something from them. Best Wishes n Blessings Keith
Hello,
exactly. I have the problem with the Unigor now, which uses a chopper amplifier. All my recent books dont cover it anymore...
Tam
Tam do you have a part number for it! Sometimes I have access to things that others don't. That's if you need info on it.
I found art of electronics best for me
I bought my first Tietze Schenk in 1974.
Tietze and Schenk is the best!!!
If you want to know how you want the Art of Electronics, If you want to know why you want the Tietze/Schenk it's a good choice!
Thank you so much for talking back!
Sounds to me like the German books are intended for an audience of integrated circuit designers. TAoE is intended for discrete level design, interfacing the already pre-made, pre-packaged integrated circuits. Both have value, but the latter has a broader reach. Sure, it may help to understand the very fundamental semiconductor physics, but that's probably asking too much of people that probably don't have any formal education involving semiconductors.
Hello, this is indeed possible. But I also think it is a general question of the approach - I saw something similar when I got my hands onto some US calculus books years ago...
Could be, but in the portion of current sources, there are some interesting circuits for a bipolar current source made with op-amps and transistors. This German book is much more in depth than the AoE, imho.
Danke für das schöne Video. Habe mir aufgrund der Empfehlung das Buch "analoge Schaltungen" bestellt und bin schon gespannt mal reinzuschauen, wenn es da ist 🙂
Hallo, danke dir! Lass mich wissen, wie dir das Buch zusagt!
I have the Art of Electronics coming. Picked it up on eBay for 22 bucks.
good price for the book!!
Thanks a lot for comparing & sharing your opinion. Could you please explain me a couple things though. Why neighter aoe nor tietze_schenk do not include any worked examples and or excercises, well in aoe one can encounter some few... How one has to read schaltungstechnik and learn from it? Chapter by chapter, or is that book intended to be a huge formelsammlung? Continuing the discussion about diodes and transistors, i'm a lillte confused why aoe and tietze do not mention valence_electrons while mentioning Si_doping...?
Interesst for those books come from tip nr. 9 of pragmatic programmer book. Im in IT actually and after elliot's avr book i picked up the fundamental electrical and electronic principles book.
Reading aoe on a 6inch 300dpi e_ink display feels very inconvenient mostly because of the two column page layout. There is no quick fix for it, though it's still possible to convert the two column into a single column. (Ever opened a pdf with a texteditor? Iso 32000) it would be necessary to convert page by page, so be prepared getting hands dirty
Hi Man, sorry for being slow in responding. Which Pragmatic Programmer book do you mean?
Tietze I think is more of a Formelsammlung to be honest...difficult to say, in a way. But big big thanks for talking back, my friend!
@@MrTamhanby Andrew Hunt & David Thomas, the second edition. Fits pretty well for vocation
Great overview . Never heard of any of the books you mentioned besides the art of electronics. Thanks for these details . Would love to find a copy of any of the other books if you have any links . Liked and subscribed
Hi, thank you so much! Sadly, I do not have any links on hand here...I do not do these affilate programs, no idea why...
The Art of Electronics, while practical, is simply a bunch of solutions thrown at you with an explanation about how it works. If you want to start quickly cooking something up, this is the way to go. The X chapters also have some interesting and practical content about passive components.
I find it fun, nonetheless, grabbing their circuit implementations, generalizing them and creating new circuits, but I can do that since I'm seasoned engineer in the semiconductor industry, I doubt I could've done any of that fresh out of my masters...
Thank you! This is indeed not untrue!
Thanks for talking back!!!
@@MrTamhan one more thing I like and dislike about AoE. There's a chapter in AoE that talks about precision design, which is probably one of the most useful things of the book. On the other hand, in the X chapters I cringed at some claims in page 179 that say a voltage amplifier has been designed without negative feedback but only source degeneration (i.e negative feedback). Funny and contradictory...
@@DJTrancenergy To be honest, I never got my hands onto the X chapters yet. So I cannot comment on these...
@@MrTamhan I see. I wish I could sent you a picture through here to show you.
Great video! Im learning little about electronics in my Bachelor of Computer Science. What i need is advice in choosing my next book since i am aiming for a Master in Computer engineering, any suggestions?
Hello Tom, thank you. This is a very difficult question...what do you want to do next. Are you maybe interested in microcontrollers?
@@MrTamhan Im having fun working with Arduino and im eager to understand more about Elektronics. I need a book about semi-conductors (i am sure about that), but i think im missing something.
@@tomretterath1125 Hello Tom, puh, this is a good question. If you want to do digital electronics, maybe I can recommend my book on microcontrollers...I think about making a review video. You can also check alibris - my issue is that I know a few, but many are in German...
Sir, I don't understand your english. I want to tell you that I am a beginner in electronics so could you suggest me that which book is better?....
Thanks man. It is difficult - I would almost suggest the German one, as it is most "explanative". Also, what type of Electronics do you want to study
I want to study on amplifiers and oscillators through basic...
Please suggest those which use simple english words..
@@electronicsgyan2390 hi man, sorry for being a bit slow. This is indeed a bit difficult...both of the books, in terms of English, are not too simple. May I ask which languages are easier for you?
Simple English words or hindi books are easier for me....
@@electronicsgyan2390 Man if you do hindi, go to an university library and check. Indian market is full of really, really good scientific publishers man! You people still read, so there are many good books which never make it to the Anglosphere or even to Germany.
Hallo, danke für den Vergleich! Findest du, dass das Buch "Analoge Schaltungen" aus heutiger Sicht noch aktuell ist?
Money is not an issue, but the shelf space is the greatest issue :)
In my country, T&S (English version) costs about USD 800, while H&H (3rd-edition improved) costs USD 70.
Man, where are you based?
@@MrTamhan India - prices are on Amazon India 😐
@@an1rb This is a bit strange. Cant you find an older copy of Schenk somewhere?
Is this guy electronic engineer
Nice! Thank you!
Paixa TeleRec a pleasure!
What books would you recommend to someone whos just getting into Electronics for the first time, I can speak both german and english.
Thanks in advance.
Hello,
sorry for my slow reply. Do you already know about the basics? As in, what is a resistor and stuff...
Tam
Yes, I know about the basics, resistance/voltage/amp/basic circuitry and some math regarding it, but thats it atm.
thanks for yir reply
Hello,
hmm, that is a bit hard. The Art of Electronics and the Student Manual definitely are not bad....I generally buy a lot and look around....a bit difficult to give an advice to straight off the bat. Tietze and Schenk, if you can get an old edition used, are quite OK too
The Art of Electronics or Practical Electronics for Inventors?
The Vitruvian Man hello, thanks for talking back! Sadly, I dont have the Practical Electronics book - if you work for the publisher or know someone there, let me know though!
No no I am just trying to decide which book is best for me.
Difficult question. But did you check Alibris - if both books are cheap, why not grab both of them ;)
Make more videos!!
Hello, sadly, I currently can not. In a few months, I have my new office and then I will film 24/7!
Tam Hanna :)
What is nape ot tietze's translated book? Thanks
Hello,
thank you so much. To which language are you looking for?
If you send me an email to tamhan at tamoggemon dot com, I can put you in touch with the General Assesorate of Springer. They can then tell you the ISSN and all!
Tam
Tam Hanna English would be great. Do you recommend some books for beginner in analog electronics. I just bought "principle of electronics-v.k. mehta" as it seems to me like nice, well written book, what do you think if i can ask? Warum bist du wach in dieser Stunde :D
Hello,
analog electronics is a bit hard - it depends how much you already know. The book by Seifart, which I showed in the Video, is also quite interesting as is the AoE - my approach, basically, is to look at various sources as I have yet to find one which satisfies me completely.
Re wakeupness: cant sleep ;). Am an Insomniac...
Tam
Tam Hanna Well i guess it is, as i am not able to get satisfying answers from my proffesors. Simply i am trying to find some book to learn op amps... what exactly is Vos, Ios, Rcm, Rd, CMRR, maybe build some simple op amp with transistors... and so on, for me that is analog electronics. If you come across something like this pls tell me.
Well maybe i am to, i am in same time zone xD
Opamps. OK, man, you won. Give me 4h. Shave, Shower, and Ill have a video with a cool book for you. Opamps by Walt Jung ;)
Are your teachers busy? Look up: 'Circuit Solver' by Phasor Systems on Google Play.
Sorry, I do not understand. What are you trying to tell me?
@NotADuck ugh, what a trash product. Thanks for talking back!