Came here to say this. From what I recall Alfa developed this and then corporate yoinked it for the Hornet because Dodge hasn't had a meaningful new product in years and the dealers were screaming. The Alfa crowd wasn't too happy, mostly because they forecasted that people would say exactly what they're saying (you can get 9/10s of it elsewhere for much less).
@@EChid Dodge has not had a meaningful new product in literal DECADES. Do not forget that the Challanger and Charger were built on the DaimlerChrysler LX platform, which is basically a W210 (late 90s E-Class) underneath.... The have used the Expensive Mercedes suspension since 2004 because they cannot come up with anything better.... Truly a pathetic brand, if you ask me.
As the owner of Tonale for 7 months, I have thoughts on both pros and cons. First, I did very good research for luxury PHEV SUVs in the market with $55K USD as maximum to spend. You only have two cars to go with comparable size and full features, Lexus NX and Alfa Romeno Tonale. Lexus NX is a bit more expensive than 55K with full features, but you can count on Japanese quality. For me, I decided to drive something different as driving three Toyota-made cars in the past. Tonale is honestly so-so after driving 7 months, however it's not as bad as what folks talk about in the clip. It's got plenty of power and features and excellent design as pros. If you worry about cons, engine may sound a bit noisy when turning back from electric mode. The use of paddle shift is obsolete as told here. Unless otherwise, as long as you want PHEV and the entry-level luxury with limited budget, Tonale is an excellent choice. Oh, I love the red calipers with my black Veloce too. :-)
Still a Stellantis special. Not an Alfa. fundamentally it’s a premium priced car on a cheap, non premium platform. It’s ’the best we could do with what Stellantis gave us’. Direct quote.
it is an Alfa, it was designed and created by alfa in Italy, stellantis later decided to use the same platform, body and many more for the Hornet, practically put a a dodge badge on it and make some little tweaks here and there. that's why Alfa Romeo was so pissed with Stellantis! @@final_mile_music9713
Also, quit supporting electrical vehicles of all stripes. Outside of an in-city commuter they make zero sense due to complexity, repair, durability, and personal freedom. Besides which the used market for these monstrosities is going to be nil. You think a Range Rover and sports cars get deferred maintenance? Wait till they need battery packs. Microgrid technology is the only battery tech that makes sense. Long live internal combustion. I love gas guzzlers AND windmills. Sue me.
@@tyler9703 Full electrics suck unless you only drive short distances, and hybrids take 50k miles for the option to pay itself off. It's just stupid fluff for the global warming farce
That was years ago Since then they’ve driven Various Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches and all sorts of super and hypercars I’m curious to see how their opinions have evolved
My Honda element from 2003 gets about 25 miles per gallon. There are absolutely vehicles being built in 2024, that get that same MPG The idea of having to spend less on gas would genuinely have meaningful impact on my life and many other peoples lives plug-in Hybrids are the best option right now.
12:09 remember a moment ago when you switched it into manual mode to test the manual gearbox? It's still in manual mode ... that's why it's not automatically shifting ... because you told it not to.
Got the wife one of these several months ago, she loves it, I find it practical yet still enjoyable to drive (in fairly a non-sporty way), and it's devoid of pretty much any reasons to want to rapidly drive yourself off a bridge, like you'd get if you found yourself in something like a CRV. If you need to go fast to pass or get up to speed it will easily do so, but it's not a "fast" vehicle. Basically if you find yourself wanting a sports car but needing a compact SUV for practical reasons, this is a pretty good option that won't make you feel like you really poorly compromised or lost out on anything enjoyable like a minivan or anything with a CVT would.
I'm upvoting, so don't get me wrong - I like your take...but let me counter with the fact that for $6k USD less than the Veloce trim you can get into a top trim Outback Touring XT that is near as can be called as fast, has way more usable room, has significantly more capable suspension, and probably won't depreciate like a rock falling in thin air. We have an Onyx XT that is a couple years old at this point. The tech is admittedly sub-par, but the rest of the experience is really very good. The oomph is way more than you'd ever expect and the self-driving bits are fantastic. It's not a sports car, but that's why we have more than 1 car. Edit: I guess the gas mileage is the huge elephant in the room of my argument.
@@afterburn2600 I'm not familiar with them, but some quick searching and reviews say that Subaru isn't in the same category of performance or handling, the Tonale appears at least 1-2 seconds faster 0-60, and possibly 3 (seeing different numbers reported). Also the Tonale has 3 trim levels, the Veloce is the top trim, and all of them do (or at least did in October when we got hers) qualify for the $7500 federal rebate, plus manufacturer rebates, plus lower trim level pricing means that you at least could, maybe still can pick up a Tonale for 10-11k below what they show in this video...
@@StealthyStrides new prius is like 44k cad which is pretty good and comparable to other hybrids and makes a lot of sense. 60k cad for a rav4 prime which is bigger, better range, more power, and more practical.
Italian here and alfista since I can remember (my grandfather had a beautiful 75 turbo until he died and I was his little co-driver!). I really hope they stop making SUV... Davvero sono auto inutili 😅
@@lorefraz9416 lo so... Alla fine non suv attualmente c'è solo la Giulia (che trovo bella nella sua classicità, sia chiaro). Però non posso continuare solo con berline e cassoni. Ho letto da qualche parte che forse vorrebbero rinnovare la Giulietta e sinceramente ci spero. Boh, si vedrà :)
@@micol7490 si quello sarebbe bello, spero non considerino direttamente questo aborto di junior come successore della giulietta perché sarebbe il colmo
In most use cases PHEVs also have the lowest lifetime carbon emissions of any power train as most people simply do not take enough long trips each year to utilize the larger battery of a full BEV, thus you have wasted production emissions for a bigger battery.
+1 on PHEV > EV in Southern Ontario. Our XC90 Recharge does 50-60KM as an EV every day for us, but we can still pull road trips at 7l/100km on the weekend. Combined we are averaging under 3L/100KM in a full-size SUV. Hard to ask for much more efficiency.
For a long time I thought that PHEV cars make no sense, but I have been driving a Volvo XC40 T4 PHEV for over a year now and I am extremely satisfied. In the city I have enough renge to go full electric and when I go to see my faimily in Poland (~400km) I do not need to stop to charge and I have a benefit of extra power from the electric motor when I overtake on a highway. The only challenge is to find a resonably priced PHEV as some brands wants a high premium over petrol versions.
The fact that the hornet is just a rebadged version of this car and was first to market after Alfa spent all the time and money to develop it is quite sad. Now this car is forever tainted as a "dodge ripoff" when in fact it was the OG. Stellantis really screwed Alfa in the NA market lol
PHEV just works, I'm considering the RX450h+ that gets around 40 mile EV range that would be more than enough for daily commute and maybe run the engine once a week.
My 2020 Ford Fusion Hybrid was great. It was my first car. Got the SE for $26k U.S. brand new. I didn't have the PHEV, but hybrids can be nice and cheap.
I love my Tonale PHEV. Fast&Furious in D mode, still fast with great mileage in N mode+"manual" (gear shifter in Drive and pushed to the left; still largely automatic...but I can't not use the lovely hockey st...paddly paddles). A joy to drive.
My parents drive a phev and they really save a lot on fuel. They are retired, so the car is really only used to go shopping and they never use the gas engine. That pretty much only happens, when they go for a weekend trip or on vacation. So time wise, the car spends 90%+ as as EV. Distance it's roughly 70% EV Kilometers.
I would love a PHEV for that reason. I drive about 15 miles a day round trip for work and could mostly just use gas for the long road trips. Cost just needs to come way down.
@@dnice362 Plug-in hybrid EV. They have a certain amount of range you can drive using only the electric motor and no fuel, and you can plug them in at home/work to recharge that range.
@@Shiny_Dragonite eh like the cX90 phev ok got it. We have a CX5 which is actually fantastic and the steering is great, heavy. We need better gas mileage and I think the grand highlander hybrid is top of the list
Yeah but they HAVE to use gas to keep the engine healthy. According to Thomas Toyota said a tank a month for the RAV4 prime, which is 400 miles, or a 100 mile trip a week! That seems excessive.
You hit the nail on the head, PHEVs make so much more sense than full electric. It’s sad that governments and manufacturers didn’t educate people and push them instead.
Hybrid is definitely the best balance in mainstream commuter cars for right now. There's so many EVs carrying, literally, a ton of batteries around that they never use on their 100 mile daily drives and still don't have the anytime-anywhere-ness you get with ICE for long distances.
There should be way more PHEVs. I’ve been saying this for years since many automakers announced their EV intentions. Too many of the manufacturers just skipped right over PHEVs in a lot of segments and went full EV, which doesn’t work (yet) for a lot of people. I say this as an EV owner….it works for me, but only because our main road trip vehicle is gas. I would love a Telluride PHEV - wife could commute every day on electric, but it has the untethered range when we go into the back country.
I traded my 2016 Dodge Challenger SXT w/52k miles for $12.5k to get my 2024 Hornet R/T, which lowered my out the door cost to $39.5k. Without the trade-in, I wouldn't have been able to afford it. I was spending $100 a month on 87-octane fuel with the Chanenger. Even though the Hornet requires 92-octane, I'm only spending $25 dollars a month. Hornet's turbo gets quite hot when running around in "Sport" mode, and I've made it a habit to open the hood when I get home to help cool off the 1.3L.
"mito" è chiunque sia riuscito a farsi assumere con una creatività da stivaletti usati. Con tutte le paroli in esistenza, dovevano proprio scegliere un nome proprio, la cui pronuncia sarebbe inevitabilmente stata macellata seduta stante..? Vabbè...
It would be really nice to do a review of the 24 Volvo plug ins. S60/xc60/s90/xc90, any of them. They have greatly improved them over the years and this is kind of the final send off for that generation. They are super interesting when you sit down and play with them because they are so simple. But it works really well. This coming from a person who rips through new cars every 6 months.
While these do look good, the price is what is going to keep people away. You can get a Stelvio for the same price (if not cheaper when they are trying to get rid of them) for more space and you don't have to worry about all the issues that these have been having (hornet as well). Also with the price the equivalent Hornet makes more sense if you want this vehicle. I do love that color so much though.
Funny about the front license plate holder. I had a 2011 Camaro that didn't have one. Never put a front plate on it and never got any grief over it. I live in BC and we're supposed to have front plates. Drove it for 3 years and the only mention of it was crossing the border into the US.
I haven't run a front plate in... well ever. I've removed the front plate from every car I've ever owned. That said, these guys making a point to complain about it is pretty sad.
What would have been neat is if the Tonale was lower to the ground more like a hot hatchback and functioned as an entry level Alfa Romeo like an Audi A3 fighter. Like you both said actually In the US the math is hard because iirc the pricing between the Tonale and Hornet are fairly close?
Problem with the example with your friend with the RAV4 PHEV is that it’s so much more expensive than the normal hybrid RAV4 that it’s really hard to recover the price difference in petrol savings. And electricity is not free either. We went with the normal RAV4. Another benefit? No plugging in cables all the time.
I had AR Stelvio for a year and could never get used to it’s multimedia, it really seems like the guy who made it was stoned as hell, nothing was even close intuitive. And those brakes, I will never forget how it could change the braking force despite your constant effort on the pedal. And it’s suspension which held you on the fringe of rollover on every single turn. I think suv topic is just kind of new for Italians, but they try 😂 Thanks for reviewing ❤
I had an alfa romeo brera nice car now i have an alpine A110 its borderline criminal that you haven't reviewed it yet, if you come to Madrid i would be pleased to lend it to you
I am 100% with Thomas on PHEV or pure ICE being the only play right now. With charging networks, standards, and battery tech, we are in a transitional phase and things are going to change rapidly. I would not want to have an EV only vehicle right now. I like that you can reserve battery capacity and use it when you want to. For around town, the range is enough for most day to day commuting. I need this in minivan form, then I would have it alongside my Giulia.
Disagree that it's 'the only play right now'. May not be the best choice for everyone, but for many drivers it's already a better option compared to ICE. We went all EV 2 years ago and neither of us ever wants to own an ICE vehicle again. That the tech is still developing rapidly only means that my next EV will be an even better choice relative to ICE.
@@MLHunt It also means that your current car will be absolutely worthless in another generation of battery tech lol. Theres a reason 2013 Tesla Model S are being sold for sub 15k rn.
@@pieswimmer1 I tend to buy cars and keep them until the wheels fall off and the residual value is close to 0 in any case. Most of the depreciation of most cars occurs in the first few years of ownership, so buying a car and getting rid of it after a few years has always seemed like a mug's game to me. So this isn't really a concern for me. The car will only be worthless if I plan to sell it. I plan to keep it until its range has degraded to a point at which it no longer serves my needs, which shouldn't be anytime soon. Why should the improvement in battery tech in new cars impact the utility of a car I own already? I charge at home 90+% of the time and very rarely need to drive >100 miles in a day. So the car I have should serve me well into the future even with some range degradation. Why would I get rid of it as long as it serves my needs, even if newer cars charge faster and go further on a charge? I honestly don't understand people's thinking on this.
I have owned a PHEV, BEV, HEV, and gas-only vehicle in the last year. The PHEV is the most practical by a landslide. BEV has one major downside - but it’s on the way up - charging on the road absolutely sucks, it’s just not ready for most people yet. Charging at home is FANTASTIC though, so if you have the option it’s not a bad one. HEV is still a great choice, great efficiency, affordability, reliability, and power. Gas-only is such a crappy way to be in 2024.
@@FuncleChuck I love my EVs and can't see ever owning a petrol vehicle again, but they still only really work well for people who can charge at home and/or or have relatively low-mileage use cases. For all people complain about the public charging networks though, they've gotten a lot better even in the past couple years since we got ours, and at the current rate of development owning one will be entirely suitable for most Americans.
I like the look of that interior, looks wise, I've never sat in one so I'll take your word for the complexity of the tech and somewhat less premium materials, looks wise alone though it's good both inside and out, it looks 70k even if it doesn't feel it.
ignore them. I spent the weekend driving one (the Hornet version) cross-state. It's at least as comfortable as my wife's $80k Mercedes SUV, handles better, and gets much better gas mileage. It was the first time I spent so many hours driving and actually enjoyed it.
In Romania we have tonale mild nybrid 1.5 gas engine with 160 HP; very nice car, but with discount from 42000 is now around 34000 euro!!!! So i think 34000 euro is a good price for a compact SUV
The rear facing camera is struggling in this video. The noise is atrocious despite what should be ample amounts of light for a modern camera. The other cameras don't seem to be having as much trouble. On that note I'd love to see a behind the scenes episode where you go over the technical details of how you shoot and edit your videos.
the problem with plugins Hybrid is that after the juice runs out you are carrying the same weight while running everything with the smaller engine, since the petrol with be working overtime, whatever you saved in gas for the first 50Km will be null in the next kilometres plus now you have to charge it. Regular Hybrid like Prius is i think better til we figure out this EV craziness
My friend told me one time when we were joking about the reliability of Alfas, regarding the Guilia Troglafolgliolgiloglio that someone wrote in a forum were people were talking about how unreliable the Gulia was, "I've had over 1800 trouble free miles!"
Actually todays Alfas are not more or less reliable than its european competitors and you can find bad forum posts about every car. Besides of that i dont think that a forum is a reliable source.
I'm driving PHEV Tonale as a loaner. It seems it has no overtaking power. Does it need to be in dynamic with a fully charged battery to have that power?
Everyone is saying, the used car market this crazy... people I know, recently bought a fully loaded, one-year-old used BMW 530e xDrive Touring for less than the Tonale's sticker price in Europe... PHEVs make sense depending on your drive profile, but don't take the first year depreciation!
Alfa going 100% in 2025 will go down as one of the worst decisions in automotive history. It's an enthusiast brand. As an Alfa owner ('23 Giulia Estrema) I've connected with a ton of other owners, and everyone I have talked to has zero interest in EVs. I know Alfa will find some new buyers by focusing on EVs and crossovers, but I losing that base of enthusiasts will do a lot of damage. And why pay an Alfa premium for a soulless EV when you volume manufacturers will be providing better more reliable cars at lower prices? Once you remove the emotion from Alfa I'm not sure what else the brand will stand on.
Completely agree, Life time Alfa person here, first being a 1970 1750GTV, and I am looking at buying a Giulia QV, the fact they even just announced another SUV, I honestly think the brand is dead already. Think of that, they killed the MiTo, the Guiletta, and now make one Sedan, and 3.. FKN 3!!! SUVS. How in any way shape or form is that an enthusiast brand??
@@NotSean269 100%. What they should be doing is doubling down and updating the Giorgio platform, throwing the Hurricane I6 into a new Giulia and openly going after BMW, Audi and Mercedes in the sport sedan segment. They need to be more aggressive. Who would buy a 4 cylinder C43 over an updated Giulia? Or a 330i over the Giulia 2.0T?
I actually think the design looked like alfa, and then dodge just rebadged it. Whenever i see the jotnet it looks like they took the tonale and slapped a didge bumper on it
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I still love the abrupt interrupted sign-off gag on this channel, gets me every time 😂
I’m new to this channel. Could you explain why they do that?
@@MrTw122094 for the giggles 😂. The main channel requires high production value and this one does not
Rob Dahm is famous for this. He’s been doing it for years.
@@winstonsmith63I mean this does have the high production as the main channel but this is definitely less serious and more shits and giggles
I believe it was developed by Alfa as the Tonale and Dodge created the hornet after the development.
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Came here to say this. From what I recall Alfa developed this and then corporate yoinked it for the Hornet because Dodge hasn't had a meaningful new product in years and the dealers were screaming. The Alfa crowd wasn't too happy, mostly because they forecasted that people would say exactly what they're saying (you can get 9/10s of it elsewhere for much less).
Exactly @Echid - apparently Alfa's management were livid that they were just undfercut entirely
@@EChid Dodge has not had a meaningful new product in literal DECADES. Do not forget that the Challanger and Charger were built on the DaimlerChrysler LX platform, which is basically a W210 (late 90s E-Class) underneath.... The have used the Expensive Mercedes suspension since 2004 because they cannot come up with anything better.... Truly a pathetic brand, if you ask me.
That front end is so ugly and weird looking lol looks like a doofus 😂😂
So, the sophistication of a Dodge Hornet with the reliability of an AMC Hornet, and the lifespan of an actual hornet.
Which is what, less than 3 years unless it's the queen of a colony?
😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅
Amazing
Borderline poetic 🥹
Tonale wouldn't happen to mean Hornet in Italian would it?
As the owner of Tonale for 7 months, I have thoughts on both pros and cons. First, I did very good research for luxury PHEV SUVs in the market with $55K USD as maximum to spend. You only have two cars to go with comparable size and full features, Lexus NX and Alfa Romeno Tonale. Lexus NX is a bit more expensive than 55K with full features, but you can count on Japanese quality. For me, I decided to drive something different as driving three Toyota-made cars in the past. Tonale is honestly so-so after driving 7 months, however it's not as bad as what folks talk about in the clip. It's got plenty of power and features and excellent design as pros. If you worry about cons, engine may sound a bit noisy when turning back from electric mode. The use of paddle shift is obsolete as told here. Unless otherwise, as long as you want PHEV and the entry-level luxury with limited budget, Tonale is an excellent choice. Oh, I love the red calipers with my black Veloce too. :-)
Quick tip - try running 91 or 94 octane. The 1.3 takes advantage of the tuning really well.
@TheRealCatof keyboard warriors need to leave mommy's basement every once in a while
for the people wondering why they called it Tonale, Tonale (like Stelvio) is a mountain pass in Italy.
Ah, mountain pass like, "I'll pass on the purchase of this vehicle"
Is it as jagged as a tonail?
They just couldn’t predict how untraveled North Americans would think they’re funny saying ToeNail over and over and over and over again. 🤦🏻♂️
Ma perchè non parole normali, che ne abbiamo cosi tante..? Mannaggia a sti marketers di fine settimana...
The Tonale was the first concept. Hornet came after.
@crazyaviationdailydose4780 collaboration and stealing is different, they paid them
Still a Stellantis special. Not an Alfa. fundamentally it’s a premium priced car on a cheap, non premium platform. It’s ’the best we could do with what Stellantis gave us’. Direct quote.
it is an Alfa, it was designed and created by alfa in Italy, stellantis later decided to use the same platform, body and many more for the Hornet, practically put a a dodge badge on it and make some little tweaks here and there. that's why Alfa Romeo was so pissed with Stellantis! @@final_mile_music9713
Many, many years ago Thomas said the best car he’s every driven was the Alfa Romeo 4c. You should do a re-review/update.
Also, quit supporting electrical vehicles of all stripes. Outside of an in-city commuter they make zero sense due to complexity, repair, durability, and personal freedom. Besides which the used market for these monstrosities is going to be nil. You think a Range Rover and sports cars get deferred maintenance? Wait till they need battery packs. Microgrid technology is the only battery tech that makes sense. Long live internal combustion.
I love gas guzzlers AND windmills. Sue me.
Who hurt you@@dogrunner100
@@tyler9703 your mom
@@tyler9703 Full electrics suck unless you only drive short distances, and hybrids take 50k miles for the option to pay itself off. It's just stupid fluff for the global warming farce
That was years ago
Since then they’ve driven Various Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches and all sorts of super and hypercars
I’m curious to see how their opinions have evolved
Imagine a $60.000,- crossover having better paddle shifters than a $200.000+ Audi R8
🤣🤣🤣🤣emotional DAMAAAAGGEEE
Alfa romeo in a nutshell.
Tbf the paddle shifters are the same in a 50k TT
Haha yes, but in the R8 they work... 🤣
audis break down more than any car@@R8andGT3Fan
My Honda element from 2003 gets about 25 miles per gallon. There are absolutely vehicles being built in 2024, that get that same MPG
The idea of having to spend less on gas would genuinely have meaningful impact on my life and many other peoples lives plug-in Hybrids are the best option right now.
12:09 remember a moment ago when you switched it into manual mode to test the manual gearbox? It's still in manual mode ... that's why it's not automatically shifting ... because you told it not to.
He is stupid a little bit...
I agree with you Thomas with the PHEVs, that's why we ordered our Rav4 Prime. Just another 2 years to wait for it to arrive.
Tested the Tonale against the competition and was very impressed. Placed my order and hopefully have her home this coming weekend.
Sensational car
@TheRealCatof shut up scotty kilmer
Got the wife one of these several months ago, she loves it, I find it practical yet still enjoyable to drive (in fairly a non-sporty way), and it's devoid of pretty much any reasons to want to rapidly drive yourself off a bridge, like you'd get if you found yourself in something like a CRV. If you need to go fast to pass or get up to speed it will easily do so, but it's not a "fast" vehicle. Basically if you find yourself wanting a sports car but needing a compact SUV for practical reasons, this is a pretty good option that won't make you feel like you really poorly compromised or lost out on anything enjoyable like a minivan or anything with a CVT would.
I'm upvoting, so don't get me wrong - I like your take...but let me counter with the fact that for $6k USD less than the Veloce trim you can get into a top trim Outback Touring XT that is near as can be called as fast, has way more usable room, has significantly more capable suspension, and probably won't depreciate like a rock falling in thin air. We have an Onyx XT that is a couple years old at this point. The tech is admittedly sub-par, but the rest of the experience is really very good. The oomph is way more than you'd ever expect and the self-driving bits are fantastic. It's not a sports car, but that's why we have more than 1 car. Edit: I guess the gas mileage is the huge elephant in the room of my argument.
@@afterburn2600 I'm not familiar with them, but some quick searching and reviews say that Subaru isn't in the same category of performance or handling, the Tonale appears at least 1-2 seconds faster 0-60, and possibly 3 (seeing different numbers reported). Also the Tonale has 3 trim levels, the Veloce is the top trim, and all of them do (or at least did in October when we got hers) qualify for the $7500 federal rebate, plus manufacturer rebates, plus lower trim level pricing means that you at least could, maybe still can pick up a Tonale for 10-11k below what they show in this video...
@@fpnbrianyou should’ve just gotten a barely used Stelvio people have been seeing nasty reliability issues down the road
I'm glad this fit into your life well, but for the money I can't imagine not getting a X3 PHEV for the same money.
@@gavcom4060 I have had 2 Stelvios, Tonale is smaller and easier for my wife to park. She didn't want the larger Stelvio
I can relate to James wishing that Alfa still were doing Brera. It was my dream car when I was a school kid back in 2006
For me, too, the phev is perfect. Small distances ev only, overall 3l/100 km for a not small car 😊
Paying 60-70k for a PHEV to save money on gas is a bit like burning your paper money to save on heating costs for you house.
@@StealthyStrides new prius is like 44k cad which is pretty good and comparable to other hybrids and makes a lot of sense. 60k cad for a rav4 prime which is bigger, better range, more power, and more practical.
If you get a cheap hybrid sure. But how long would it take to recoup the extra $10-20k more for one of these?
A phev doesn't make sense for saving fuel, it makes sense when you're in the city so you could drive in pure silence.
@@StealthyStrides No one is buying this car purely to save on gas big brain.
Alfa must love this being called a "version of the Dodge Hornet"
Poor Alfa developed it then it is called a copy of hornet
Italian here and alfista since I can remember (my grandfather had a beautiful 75 turbo until he died and I was his little co-driver!). I really hope they stop making SUV... Davvero sono auto inutili 😅
@@micol7490le ultime 3 tutte suv e l'ultima è proprio imbarazzante
@@lorefraz9416 lo so... Alla fine non suv attualmente c'è solo la Giulia (che trovo bella nella sua classicità, sia chiaro). Però non posso continuare solo con berline e cassoni. Ho letto da qualche parte che forse vorrebbero rinnovare la Giulietta e sinceramente ci spero. Boh, si vedrà :)
@@micol7490 si quello sarebbe bello, spero non considerino direttamente questo aborto di junior come successore della giulietta perché sarebbe il colmo
In most use cases PHEVs also have the lowest lifetime carbon emissions of any power train as most people simply do not take enough long trips each year to utilize the larger battery of a full BEV, thus you have wasted production emissions for a bigger battery.
+1 on PHEV > EV in Southern Ontario. Our XC90 Recharge does 50-60KM as an EV every day for us, but we can still pull road trips at 7l/100km on the weekend. Combined we are averaging under 3L/100KM in a full-size SUV. Hard to ask for much more efficiency.
I would have got a 2024 Volvo xc90 recharge if I didn’t get a Tesla Model S Plaid.
For a long time I thought that PHEV cars make no sense, but I have been driving a Volvo XC40 T4 PHEV for over a year now and I am extremely satisfied. In the city I have enough renge to go full electric and when I go to see my faimily in Poland (~400km) I do not need to stop to charge and I have a benefit of extra power from the electric motor when I overtake on a highway. The only challenge is to find a resonably priced PHEV as some brands wants a high premium over petrol versions.
The fact that the hornet is just a rebadged version of this car and was first to market after Alfa spent all the time and money to develop it is quite sad. Now this car is forever tainted as a "dodge ripoff" when in fact it was the OG. Stellantis really screwed Alfa in the NA market lol
This review and the overall style it was conducted in is very down to earth and helpful. Much appreciated.
PHEV just works, I'm considering the RX450h+ that gets around 40 mile EV range that would be more than enough for daily commute and maybe run the engine once a week.
An engine note to be appreciated by the Tonale deaf.
My 2020 Ford Fusion Hybrid was great. It was my first car. Got the SE for $26k U.S. brand new. I didn't have the PHEV, but hybrids can be nice and cheap.
I love my Tonale PHEV. Fast&Furious in D mode, still fast with great mileage in N mode+"manual" (gear shifter in Drive and pushed to the left; still largely automatic...but I can't not use the lovely hockey st...paddly paddles).
A joy to drive.
@TheRealCatof That's slightly after the upcoming first service point. Ask in a few months how it is going.
My parents drive a phev and they really save a lot on fuel. They are retired, so the car is really only used to go shopping and they never use the gas engine. That pretty much only happens, when they go for a weekend trip or on vacation. So time wise, the car spends 90%+ as as EV. Distance it's roughly 70% EV Kilometers.
I would love a PHEV for that reason. I drive about 15 miles a day round trip for work and could mostly just use gas for the long road trips. Cost just needs to come way down.
What is phev
@@dnice362 Plug-in hybrid EV. They have a certain amount of range you can drive using only the electric motor and no fuel, and you can plug them in at home/work to recharge that range.
@@Shiny_Dragonite eh like the cX90 phev ok got it. We have a CX5 which is actually fantastic and the steering is great, heavy. We need better gas mileage and I think the grand highlander hybrid is top of the list
Yeah but they HAVE to use gas to keep the engine healthy. According to Thomas Toyota said a tank a month for the RAV4 prime, which is 400 miles, or a 100 mile trip a week! That seems excessive.
They need to make a quadrofolio version with that beautiful v6
Honestly, if I were considering buying something like this I would choose this over the Hornet. It looks so much better.
They have basically the same interior.
You hit the nail on the head, PHEVs make so much more sense than full electric. It’s sad that governments and manufacturers didn’t educate people and push them instead.
I love it. I'm buying one.
Hybrid is definitely the best balance in mainstream commuter cars for right now. There's so many EVs carrying, literally, a ton of batteries around that they never use on their 100 mile daily drives and still don't have the anytime-anywhere-ness you get with ICE for long distances.
As someone that used to completely hate hybrids, having a PHEV finally makes sense. Full Electric still needs to much more work to be practical.
Plug in is absolutely the way to go.
There should be way more PHEVs. I’ve been saying this for years since many automakers announced their EV intentions. Too many of the manufacturers just skipped right over PHEVs in a lot of segments and went full EV, which doesn’t work (yet) for a lot of people. I say this as an EV owner….it works for me, but only because our main road trip vehicle is gas. I would love a Telluride PHEV - wife could commute every day on electric, but it has the untethered range when we go into the back country.
it's because PHEV makes too much sense. People these days hate logic.
James showing the headroom though 😂😂😂
Coming here from the Maserati review, Alfas are just plain beautiful!
If I’ve said it once I’ve said it 100 times: *The Tonale came first and Dodge made the Hornet as the cheap copy*
I traded my 2016 Dodge Challenger SXT w/52k miles for $12.5k to get my 2024 Hornet R/T, which lowered my out the door cost to $39.5k. Without the trade-in, I wouldn't have been able to afford it. I was spending $100 a month on 87-octane fuel with the Chanenger. Even though the Hornet requires 92-octane, I'm only spending $25 dollars a month. Hornet's turbo gets quite hot when running around in "Sport" mode, and I've made it a habit to open the hood when I get home to help cool off the 1.3L.
@TheRealCatof Ford Explorer is the worst SUV on the market, and I never owned a charger. Stop being a troll.
@TheRealCatof Not knowing the difference doesn't explain why you're a troll? Why do you care what I drive?
@@coastiebrian2024 (s)he's mentally handicapped. Probably a Tesla owner.
Tonale is the name of a mountain in Italy. And it's MITO because of MIlanoTOrino. It's not MAITO, it's MITO. cheers from Italy.
"mito" è chiunque sia riuscito a farsi assumere con una creatività da stivaletti usati. Con tutte le paroli in esistenza, dovevano proprio scegliere un nome proprio, la cui pronuncia sarebbe inevitabilmente stata macellata seduta stante..? Vabbè...
and Veloce it is an adjective and doesn’t mean speed but it means fast, Velocita’ is the word for speed, another Italian in Toronto……
12:10 it is holding on to the gear because it is in manual mode since Thomas changed it for James to use the padel shifters ;)
i literally cant read Tonale without seeing Toenail with a southern drawl
Toe-Nailee
GORLAMI
That's not even the correct way to pronounce it
I agree phev is the way to go great mpg and decent electric range for daily drives for me it just makes so much sense
It would be really nice to do a review of the 24 Volvo plug ins. S60/xc60/s90/xc90, any of them. They have greatly improved them over the years and this is kind of the final send off for that generation. They are super interesting when you sit down and play with them because they are so simple. But it works really well. This coming from a person who rips through new cars every 6 months.
I completely agree about PHEVs. They make far more sense than EVs, and they should have been the norm (as well as normal hybrids) for many years now.
using plugin for over 2 years, love it
Frankly doesn't seem overpriced given how nuts everything is.
Meant for young folks but costs CA$60k. Makes total sense.
Wagons r king
Wagon > saloon/coupe > suv > running > walking > crossover
While these do look good, the price is what is going to keep people away. You can get a Stelvio for the same price (if not cheaper when they are trying to get rid of them) for more space and you don't have to worry about all the issues that these have been having (hornet as well). Also with the price the equivalent Hornet makes more sense if you want this vehicle. I do love that color so much though.
Only driven the Stelvio but by all accounts it drives better as well.
@@regal842that’s what I’ve heard; if you want an SUV the Stelvio is great. If you want something smaller, the Giulia is also great
Funny about the front license plate holder. I had a 2011 Camaro that didn't have one. Never put a front plate on it and never got any grief over it. I live in BC and we're supposed to have front plates. Drove it for 3 years and the only mention of it was crossing the border into the US.
I haven't run a front plate in... well ever. I've removed the front plate from every car I've ever owned. That said, these guys making a point to complain about it is pretty sad.
Thomas, stop the fast hand movements, so we can tell which wristwatch you're wearing! 😂 Oh, and a fun & funny review of something I'll never buy.😄
Maybe it doesn't want to shift because you are still in manual mode? I can't really tell.
Love the green and new Alfa styling, but agreed this should be a wagon or hatch!
I still think this shade of green is the best color option for cars on sale right now.
Where i live, there is a Tonale with an identical spec and I have to it’s a good looking car which holds it’s own visually against its competitors
Thomas says smaller, James say smooler
What would have been neat is if the Tonale was lower to the ground more like a hot hatchback and functioned as an entry level Alfa Romeo like an Audi A3 fighter. Like you both said actually
In the US the math is hard because iirc the pricing between the Tonale and Hornet are fairly close?
Problem with the example with your friend with the RAV4 PHEV is that it’s so much more expensive than the normal hybrid RAV4 that it’s really hard to recover the price difference in petrol savings. And electricity is not free either. We went with the normal RAV4. Another benefit? No plugging in cables all the time.
I had AR Stelvio for a year and could never get used to it’s multimedia, it really seems like the guy who made it was stoned as hell, nothing was even close intuitive. And those brakes, I will never forget how it could change the braking force despite your constant effort on the pedal. And it’s suspension which held you on the fringe of rollover on every single turn. I think suv topic is just kind of new for Italians, but they try 😂
Thanks for reviewing ❤
I had an alfa romeo brera nice car now i have an alpine A110 its borderline criminal that you haven't reviewed it yet, if you come to Madrid i would be pleased to lend it to you
Tonale isn't an Hornet, Hornet is a Tonale: if you can't see the difference, it's your problem
the license plate says "green vehicle" and i feel like thats pretty apt 😂😂
Lol
I am 100% with Thomas on PHEV or pure ICE being the only play right now. With charging networks, standards, and battery tech, we are in a transitional phase and things are going to change rapidly. I would not want to have an EV only vehicle right now. I like that you can reserve battery capacity and use it when you want to. For around town, the range is enough for most day to day commuting. I need this in minivan form, then I would have it alongside my Giulia.
Disagree that it's 'the only play right now'. May not be the best choice for everyone, but for many drivers it's already a better option compared to ICE. We went all EV 2 years ago and neither of us ever wants to own an ICE vehicle again. That the tech is still developing rapidly only means that my next EV will be an even better choice relative to ICE.
@@MLHunt It also means that your current car will be absolutely worthless in another generation of battery tech lol. Theres a reason 2013 Tesla Model S are being sold for sub 15k rn.
@@pieswimmer1 I tend to buy cars and keep them until the wheels fall off and the residual value is close to 0 in any case. Most of the depreciation of most cars occurs in the first few years of ownership, so buying a car and getting rid of it after a few years has always seemed like a mug's game to me. So this isn't really a concern for me.
The car will only be worthless if I plan to sell it. I plan to keep it until its range has degraded to a point at which it no longer serves my needs, which shouldn't be anytime soon.
Why should the improvement in battery tech in new cars impact the utility of a car I own already? I charge at home 90+% of the time and very rarely need to drive >100 miles in a day. So the car I have should serve me well into the future even with some range degradation. Why would I get rid of it as long as it serves my needs, even if newer cars charge faster and go further on a charge? I honestly don't understand people's thinking on this.
I have owned a PHEV, BEV, HEV, and gas-only vehicle in the last year.
The PHEV is the most practical by a landslide.
BEV has one major downside - but it’s on the way up - charging on the road absolutely sucks, it’s just not ready for most people yet. Charging at home is FANTASTIC though, so if you have the option it’s not a bad one.
HEV is still a great choice, great efficiency, affordability, reliability, and power.
Gas-only is such a crappy way to be in 2024.
@@FuncleChuck I love my EVs and can't see ever owning a petrol vehicle again, but they still only really work well for people who can charge at home and/or or have relatively low-mileage use cases. For all people complain about the public charging networks though, they've gotten a lot better even in the past couple years since we got ours, and at the current rate of development owning one will be entirely suitable for most Americans.
I like the look of that interior, looks wise, I've never sat in one so I'll take your word for the complexity of the tech and somewhat less premium materials, looks wise alone though it's good both inside and out, it looks 70k even if it doesn't feel it.
ignore them. I spent the weekend driving one (the Hornet version) cross-state. It's at least as comfortable as my wife's $80k Mercedes SUV, handles better, and gets much better gas mileage. It was the first time I spent so many hours driving and actually enjoyed it.
“I want a CX-5 but I have too much money and I like the idea of filling up with gas less”
“Say no more”
In Romania we have tonale mild nybrid 1.5 gas engine with 160 HP; very nice car, but with discount from 42000 is now around 34000 euro!!!! So i think 34000 euro is a good price for a compact SUV
Same in Austria roughly
The Honda cry was soo close to doing something great as far as hybrid and plug in and synergy of fun and economy, Honda should’ve kept evolving thst
I love your videos but even for a quick review a bit more serious information about the spec of the card would have been nice.
Why? This is one of those joke cars. You're not going to buy one, I'm certainly not going to buy one. Nobody is going to buy one.
Lower the suspension, and the Q4 engine (lose the PHEV) and all of a sudden its the best hot hatch
Nice new Pelagos FXD on the wrist there btw
I sometimes make "Extra Throttle House Quick Reviews" "Extra Throttle House Extra Quick Reviews" by playing them at 1.25x speed.
I can't be the only one that calls it a "Me-toe" rather than a "My-toe".
And you’re right, since MiTo is short for MilanoTorino.
just saw one om the road accually has more road present than i thought
The concept is best suited for European market. Waiting to see what they are going to do with the Guilia and the Stelvio
Automated subtitles wrote „this is the toenail“. Quite the chuckle for me
Come on guys, we all know Canadian dollars are worth the same as Fallout bottle caps
Yay another video
The rear facing camera is struggling in this video. The noise is atrocious despite what should be ample amounts of light for a modern camera. The other cameras don't seem to be having as much trouble.
On that note I'd love to see a behind the scenes episode where you go over the technical details of how you shoot and edit your videos.
the problem with plugins Hybrid is that after the juice runs out you are carrying the same weight while running everything with the smaller engine, since the petrol with be working overtime, whatever you saved in gas for the first 50Km will be null in the next kilometres plus now you have to charge it. Regular Hybrid like Prius is i think better til we figure out this EV craziness
I live on the outskirts of a reasonably sized city in the middle of The UK; I have never seen one of these on the road, in the wild.
If you could get this color with the Hornet, it would be the green hornet?
The way he kept using the paddle shifters took me out 🤣🤣
These things qualify for the $7500 EV credit in the US if you lease one.
My friend told me one time when we were joking about the reliability of Alfas, regarding the Guilia Troglafolgliolgiloglio that someone wrote in a forum were people were talking about how unreliable the Gulia was, "I've had over 1800 trouble free miles!"
Like how you mangled the foglio bit😂
Nobody cares
Actually todays Alfas are not more or less reliable than its european competitors and you can find bad forum posts about every car. Besides of that i dont think that a forum is a reliable source.
I'm driving PHEV Tonale as a loaner. It seems it has no overtaking power. Does it need to be in dynamic with a fully charged battery to have that power?
In that category it’s probably the one I’d take- although needing a 3 row SUV- I’m not a buyer in that category.
That said I did nearly bite the bullet on a used Stelvio QV, and was willing to give up extra space in back.
Full electric has its place. But for most people, a hybrid is probably the best choice. If you have a garage to charge in, a PHEV is probably best.
The endinga are always the best lol 😂😂😂
looks nice
Everyone is saying, the used car market this crazy... people I know, recently bought a fully loaded, one-year-old used BMW 530e xDrive Touring for less than the Tonale's sticker price in Europe... PHEVs make sense depending on your drive profile, but don't take the first year depreciation!
11:00 It's call the Mini Cooper Plugman, or Plugsport.
It’s a good looking SUV, maybe Alfa will come out with the Tonale Quadrifoglio.
Alfa looks nice. Could do with sports seats. Less arm chair and gadgets.
Alfa going 100% in 2025 will go down as one of the worst decisions in automotive history. It's an enthusiast brand. As an Alfa owner ('23 Giulia Estrema) I've connected with a ton of other owners, and everyone I have talked to has zero interest in EVs. I know Alfa will find some new buyers by focusing on EVs and crossovers, but I losing that base of enthusiasts will do a lot of damage. And why pay an Alfa premium for a soulless EV when you volume manufacturers will be providing better more reliable cars at lower prices? Once you remove the emotion from Alfa I'm not sure what else the brand will stand on.
Couldn’t agree more- killing the brand
Completely agree, Life time Alfa person here, first being a 1970 1750GTV, and I am looking at buying a Giulia QV, the fact they even just announced another SUV, I honestly think the brand is dead already. Think of that, they killed the MiTo, the Guiletta, and now make one Sedan, and 3.. FKN 3!!! SUVS. How in any way shape or form is that an enthusiast brand??
@@NotSean269 100%. What they should be doing is doubling down and updating the Giorgio platform, throwing the Hurricane I6 into a new Giulia and openly going after BMW, Audi and Mercedes in the sport sedan segment. They need to be more aggressive. Who would buy a 4 cylinder C43 over an updated Giulia? Or a 330i over the Giulia 2.0T?
I love how the license plate says that this is a "green" vehicle. Green indeed!
All of the pain of owning an Alfa with absolutely none of the benefits
Chevy volt, in summer 93 km on ev, winter get around 60km on ev and then of course the engine which is like 60 bucks to fill up
damn in Italy it's like 38k euros, didn't know in north america was that marked up
I actually think the design looked like alfa, and then dodge just rebadged it. Whenever i see the jotnet it looks like they took the tonale and slapped a didge bumper on it
I’d rather get a new Prius
Well it looks like it has decent ground clearance for slightly deeper snow. That's all I can say that's positive.