As a continuation to a previous video where we compared Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, and Malayalam, in this video we take a look at how well Beary, Tulu, Malayalam, and Kodava speakers understand each other. Hope you enjoy the video, and if you would like to participate in a future video, follow and contact me on Instagram: instagram.com/BahadorAlast This is the link to part 1: ruclips.net/video/I2QNKoCcL64/видео.html
I think there was a connection issues between those people. And it would be better if give oppertunity one by one to express what they got from the sentence. Otherwise everyone might answer at the same time and it will make some trouble.
Commendable effort to represent the languages spoken in southern coastal India. I am a native from Udupi and I speak all these languages at varying levels of proficiency. The dialects alone can make the languages seem alien to each other.
Fun fact: The native speakers of all these 4 languages can be found in an area of less than 6,000 sq kilometers (Native Malayalam speakers can be found in the entire state of Kerala, ) . Meaning The districts of Udupi and Dakshina Kannada is Octa- Lingual : Tulu, Kannada, Beary, Konkani, Malayalam, Kodava, English and Hindi. Your average joe in this district can speak atleast 3 languages but usually people are familiar with 5 languages and we use them in our everyday life, causally switching between languages.
But in fact is that Udupi and dakshina kannad is called Tulu Nadu but various language came from other place. Because portugues attacked Goa so konkani came to Udupi dakshina Kannada and uttara Kannada.
Thank you Bahador for having us on the show . In such times of strife in the world as today, it just goes to show that languages are not a barrier and we have so much in common with each other ❤, even if we don't acknowledge it.
Brother Bahador, this episode did it! This was great, simply because all of always knew about the relationship between these languages, you did the job of putting them together. Thanks!
List of languages mentioned in this video - Beary, Tulu, Malayalam, Kodava, Kannada, Konkani, Hindi, Urdu, Sanskrit Plus those mentioned in the previous video - Telugu, Tamil, Marathi (my mother tongue) and Persian Hope I didn't miss any Karnataka is a very diverse place. Love from Maharashtra! Jai Bharat!
Lol in Maharashtra also Gujarati, marwadi, Kannada, tulu, Telugu, Hindi and Marathi is spoken Maharashtra is also so diverse. Love from Karnataka. Jai Karnataka
I'm a big fan of everything you do on this channel, Bahador. As a speaker of 3 Dravidian languages (Kannada, Telugu, and Tamil), I was so excited to see you bring together three low-profile and often ignored South Indian languages (Tulu, Kodava, and Beary). Unfortunately, the video ended up being a bit of a disappointment. I don't intend to come off as overly negative, but I want to list a few issues that I hope will be construed as positive feedback: 1. The Beary speaker did not appear to understand the purpose of this exercise. He did not allow the other participants to guess the meaning of the sentences since he immediately provided the English translation. 2. There was no pre-determined order in which the participants spoke. This meant that everyone ended up speaking over each other and the end result was a jumbled, chaotic mess. 3. The Malayalam speaker kept interrupting the other participants and did not allow them to express their thoughts satisfactorily. I don't think it was his intention to interrupt them, but his enthusiasm to speak and the terrible lag in his internet connection contributed to the confusion. 4. The Kodava speaker ended up being sidelined and underrepresented. It would have been ideal if everyone spoke in turns and attempted to guess the meaning of a sentence and then also provide the equivalent translation in their language once the meaning was made apparent. I think all participants here are very knowledgeable and interesting people. I am sure I would have a great conversation with all of them if I met them in real life, since I share their passion and interest for the languages they represent. I only wish the video were a little more organised and a little less choatic. Best wishes from Bangalore, South India :)
Thank you for the feedback. I understand! I was trying to continue with the flow of the previous video I made with 4 Dravidian languages together. There was a lot of excitement and enthusiasm. I'm just happy all the participants had a great time.
As a Malayalam speaker I agree with you. I would have enjoyed if a little more explanation from the Tulu speaker. It somehow sounds like coming from a much anicient past. By the way I speak Malayalam, Tamil, Hindi, and watch lot of content in Telugu, understands most of it, I can read it with bit of difficulty.
Wowww..!!! Never ever expected Tulu,beary and Kodava to be on this channel..em truely amazed😮 Although these 3 languages are native to Karnataka, it sounds so different.. i get to know that beary language is similar to Malayalam as bearys moved to Mangalore few centuries ago n now beary language mixture of kannada n Malayalam.. is this true? Kodava n beary n malayalam sounds similar
Thank you for doing a video on the lesser known Dravidian languages, Bahador. Looking forward to a comparison video between north, central and southern branches someday. Sorry, if I sound greedy, Bahador! 😁
Tamizh speaker here. I am very happy to see other south Indian languages. I especially want to hear the Beary, kodava languages. Tulu language is special. I also find similarities to Tamizh. Malayalaam, such an awesome language. Except malayalam, Tulu, Beary and Kodava has little sanskrit loanwords like Tamizh.
Hello Mr. Bahador. You are doing nice video really. Awesome. And I want to ask one thing. Your channel is actually based on similarities between two or more languages which have same ancestor family. But you also compare two languages which contains loanwords. Does it make sense?
Just because I had taken Kannada as my second language in school, I had a chance to learn the language in detail from it's oldest to the newest form. This has really aided me in understanding all major Dravidian languages to a minimum of 50%. I speak Kannada and Telugu fluently. Many people may, for example, not find a word similar to the Kannada 'hottu' in the other Dravidian languages. However, on thorough understanding, we realise that cognates do exist in the other languages. Taking the same word: Old Kannada: Pozhtu(poḻtu) Middle Kannada: Portu/Pottu Modern Kannada: Hottu Tamil: Pozhutu (poḻutu) Malayalam: Pozhutu (poḻutu) Telugu: Proddu Tulu: Portu Also, words which start with a 'v' sound in Tamil, Malayalam and Telugu, usually start with 'b' in Tulu and Kannada. There are many more common letter changes/switches that occur. Basic understanding like this does help in learning other Dravidian languages quicker.
Very well said. It reminds me of Sanskrit-Prakrit words in Kannada that one might not recognise at all. Habba (festival): Parva -> Pabba -> Habba. Banna (color): Varna -> Vanna -> Banna Hakki (bird): Pakṣi -> Pakkhi -> Hakki
22:53 the sentence in Kodava language shows an interesting mix of similarities to Tamil, Telugu and Sanskrit. 'Naada' - 'mine' is similar to 'naadhu' in Telugu 'Grew up' - 'bolandiye' - 'valandhen' in (spoken) Tamil Sanskrit influences in 'moolataha', etc. Of course the Kannada and Malayalam similarities are clear, and is the point of discussion in the video.
I am Malayali that watch Telugu content off and on. I noticed a word in Kodava like "Puttina" same as in Telugu meaning born. In Malayalam and Tamil it is Pirannath/Poranthathu
@@johnutube5651that puttida is old kannada words for your info😊..it's changed as huttida in new kannada.. replacing h. Many such words passed to telugu by kannada..that's why telugu can have sounds of both tamil and kannada because of border sharing... People forgetting intentionally halegannada too much in many videos like this.
41:11 There is correction: porul doesn't means treasure in Malayalam പൊരുൾ: അർത്ഥം, ഭാവം സത്യം ധനം, ദ്രവ്യം കാര്യം ഐശ്വര്യം സൂചന വസ്തു (Source: ശബ്ദതാരാവലി)
Hi Bahador please do a video on can all the indo iranian languages understand each other video that would be interesting to see so many similarities and differences in the iranic languages.
These were the Common Sanskrit Loan words found in these South Indian languages in their sentences ---Prem, Sneha, Bhayam, Bhakti, Shrigaram, Jeevan , Namaskar, Naadi, Moolam,(original ) , Moolataha(originally), Kutumba(Family), Mukhya, Bhasha, Vishisht, Sanskriti , Falam, Prabhava, Vyavaharam, Upayoga, Maatrubhasha(mother tongue), Maas(Month), Pravesh, Vyathayas, Kashta Sahaya, Sampradayaka, Jana, Atithi, Satkar, Aahara, Bhaari/Bhaar and also the "Khushi " Persian loan word . These are the words mainly helped them to understand each other's languages than the Dravidian commonality in their languages.
How as an Indian, I never even knew that language of Beary existed here. Your channel teaches me so much about not just my country but other cultures and languages, Bahador, Thank You.
@@alani3992 I know about plenty of languages spoken in India, actually, there are two videos which actually show how enforced Hindi is even destroying the other languages in the so called "Hindi Belt" of India. Did you know there are languages in Bihar which are actually being threatened by Hindi for example, these: Angika Bhojpuri Bajjika Bote-Darai Danwar Kumhali Magahi Maithili Sadanic Tharuic Then in Rajasthan these are the languages that are being threatened: Bagri Gade Lohar Gujari Dhatki Malvi Wagdi Hadothi Lambadi Loarki Nimadi Ahirani Same goes for my state of Maharashtra which has around 32-40 dialects of Marathi but the formal Marathi is considered elite and say for example, Varhadi dialect and Zadhipata Dialect of my region of Vidarbha are considered as backword and rural, so, even those speakers find the formal(aka Puneri Marathi) a little difficult to speak and feel ashamed to speak their native publicly, I have witnessed that myself when around such people. The thing is major languages as you said are actually considered to be the prototype and undermine the minor ones, which I think is wrong as we a diverse country and we shouldn't let our languages perish. Sanskrit being one example, there are less speakers of Sanskrit today than say Aramaic(a language that's not even taught in schools in Iraq and Syria) still has around a million or two speakers even today, though in various dialects.
I'm into linguistics, but I've never heard of the Beary language. I couldn't find this language on the ethnologue website to read about it. There is a Bellari language, could this be it? Or am I mistaken? Thank you, Bahador, for educational content🤝
Thank you! Bellari is different from Beary. Beary is also written as "Byari" so that could be why. Bearys have an interesting history. They were among the first Muslim communities formed in India, primarily concentrated in the southwest coast of India. Their population is just around 1 million.
Kodava and Kannur dialect of Malayalam has some similar thing. Both use Ba in place of Va unlike Malayalam and tamil Kannur malayalam and Kodava has 'ba' instead of 'va' . eg Malayalam -kannur Malayalam Vara-Bara Vala-Bala Veli-Beli Venam-Bènam Venda-Bènda Veluppu-Belùppu
After watching this Video, simply I can say all in one word, all are "Western Ghats People", it Starts from Gujarat to Tamil Nadu. We can see the changes and diluted form of words From Gujarat to Tamil Nadu. Suddenly many will think Gujarati, Marathi and Konkani are Indo Aryan or European Languages, how come these come under Dravidian Group?, the fact is Present Gujarat and Present Maharashtra (with Konkan) were mostly under the domination or rule of invaders comparatively with others due to that Language changes or differences happened, but we could find many relative or similar words presently with Dravidian Family. The main role player was "Sanskrit" which mixed with and changed a single language (different dialects) within whole region to Many languages. Till day with least mix but with no changes there is a purest form sustaining, in Down South of India, that language is "Tamil".
Most of them are from Mangalore region,it is obvious all of them know tulu; please bring people from different regions then do comparison I appreciate your your effort
In fact the region comprises of Coorg, Nilgiris, Udupi & Dakshina Kanasa, Kasargod, Waynad all are adjacent districts. The number of languages spoken in this smallest region can be upto 20 ( Tamil, Kodava, Badaga, Malayalam, Kannada, Tulu, Beary, Konkani, Irula, Toda, Kota, Beta Kurumbu, Sholaga, Jenu Kurumba, and so on) ❤❤❤❤
Seems like a great experience for the participants in the video. But, as a viewer of the video and a Kannada speaker, I found it very difficult to watch and follow this as nobody was finishing the translation in English. Maybe needed better moderation since there were 4 people?
The word 'Peati/Peadi (പേടി)' in Malayalam means 'Bhaya/Bhayam' in Sanskrit. The equivalent word for 'Peadi' in English is 'Fear/Feard' . How it relates : ie, Peati -> Peardi -> Feardi-> Feard (P =F, di = alphabet 'd').
Just looked it up, that B existed in Old-English too. " From Proto-Indo-European *bʰeyh₂- (“to fear”). Cognate with Old English bifian (“to tremble”), Persian بیم (bim, “fear”) and Russian бояться (bojatʹsja). "
Thanks for all your efforts @BahadorAlast. Is it possible to have the transliteration visible to all the speakers while the call is being recorded, so they can participate more fully?
@bahaduralast Next time expand the panel to include more neighbouring languages. This would make it so much interesting and you can see what A does not understand of B, D can easily understand. Thanks sir
Once From Ankola to Neeleshwara there was a Tulunad, later other language people's migrated and Kannada kings invaded some oarts of tulunad and forcibly spoken Kannafa and vabished Tupu language, actually Tulunad has great history but now its hidden by kannada
10:01 എൻകല്(ൽ)ന ഊരുഡു കൻഡ ദത്തുദു ബെന്നി ബെന്പ/ബെ൯പ 35:36 തുളുനാഡുഡു ഭയ ഭക്തിഡ് സിരി സിൻഗാരാദ നെമ തൂപ 39:06 പച്ചെ പജി൪(.)ദ കൻഡ, പുനി ബൈല് ലെന സാല് തുളുനാഡ് ദ പൊ൪ലു how if thulu words written in malayalam its more similar to old Malayalam
Beary and Kodava languages are more similar to Malayalam. As a North Keralite I can understand most of the words in Beary and Kodava language.I think Tulu is a more independent language with their own words.
@@abc-nj5zy I know Kannada very well. It seems you don't know Malayalam . that's why you think like that.The Kodava language is closely related to the northern dialect of Malayalam.
@@mckck338 I know Malayalam too. That's why I'm telling you kodava is more similar to kannada than malayalam. kodava is a b and k language like kannada but Malayalam is v and ch language for example Bere(kannada), bore (kodava), vere(Malayalam) Kivi(kannada), kemi(kodava), chevi(Malayalam) Simple example: What are you doing (English) Entha madtaidiya(kannada) Entha madyandulliya(kodava) Enthu cheyunnu(Malayalam)
@@abc-nj5zy northern keralites also use b insted of v eg: beyye, bere , baa, benda etc. in kodava p is used instead h in kannada .kodava numbering system is more similar to malayalam. Moreover kodavas are culturally more connected to north malabar than karnataka. If i start to write similar words in kodava and malayalam , i cannot stop 😀..
@@mckck338 then that's kannada influence if you use b instead of v, because original Malayalam had only v not b. old kannada had p not h we still use p and h interchangeably. For example palli (lizard ) in south Karnataka but Halli in north Karnataka, pudi (powder) in south Karnataka, hudi in coastal Karnataka. Kodavas culture have got some influence from Malabar but original kodava culture is very unique and unrelated to other Dravidian speakers. Same if I go on listing similar words between kannada and kodava the list is endless Moreover Sentence structure of kodava is more similar to kannada than malayalam
@@alani3992 Jain influence predates Ashoka. His grandfather became a monk at Shravanabelagola that means Jainism has been in Karnataka longer than the Mauryan Empire existed perhaps.
I love languages im Lakshmi i can speak my mother tongue which is tamil,other languages are malayalam,kannada ,i can bit understand hindi as well as telugu .
Tulu separated from South Dravidian branch way before Tamil-Kannada separated. 2500 years ago, some form of proto-South Dravidian would’ve been spoken in the region of Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Tulu vocabulary, particularly verbs are unrelated every all other languages in the South Dravidian family. Old Kannada and old Tamil must have formed a dialect continuum. It can be seen even today. South Karnataka Kannada is closer to Tamil than north Karnataka Kannada. Also, Kodava separated from Kannada in the old Kannada stage. Which is why Kodava might appear close to Tamil and Malayalam. However, both Tulu and Kodava have influence of modern Kannada which makes it all the more complex and confusing. Like P -> H and V -> B shift from old Kannada to modern Kannada is almost complete. But, in Tulu and Kodava the shift is partial because of more recent influences. The picture is incomplete without considering Badaga, Gadaba, Are Bhashe, Havyaka and other dialects of Kannada.
Pundi is called Unda in northernmost malayalam, in actual malayalam the closely related word is Kozukkatta, the difference is Kozukkatta has sweet and coconut inside where as Unda/ Pundi is made of rice, sometimes a bit of coconut.
@@hishamsalim4908 it is an Arabic word - Hormat it means hornour Since Beary communities are Muslim quote possible they have Islamic and Arabic influence
All 4 of them are from the same state in south India called Karnataka. And all 4 of them are from the coastal part. They are probably within a 250-350 mile radius. That’s how diverse India is!
It was interesting for me that the Abdul Rahiman who is speaking Beary is Muslim because I thought South Indian languages not native to any Muslim community
Beary (or byari) means trade in local language. 'Byari bhasha' means 'Traders' language', and may have originated as a 'creole' used by folks involved in early Malabar-Arab sea trade. The Beary community is one of the earliest Muslim communities in India going back to 700s CE - even earlier than Islam in North India. In a sense, it can be considered to be the 'Urdu of the Malabar coast'
Dude, Malayalam is a native muslim language and so do Tamil. 90% of all Muslims living in Kerala speaks Malayalam, Urdu is alien here, Arabic is more popular among Muslims in Kerala than Persian, Urdu or Turkish. Muslim community in Kerala and Coastal Karnataka are related to Arab trading community. They came here peacefully and not via conquest or converting local population by sword. Muslims came here even before Malayalam was formed, Muslims came here at 600 AD...
South Indians (Dravidians) actually got introduced to Islam earlier to the Northern part of India. The Indian state of Kerala has the oldest mosque to exist in the entirety of the Indian Subcontinent. However it is true that Dravidians are culturally (regardless of religion) closer to their roots of Dravidian folk religion and Hinduism, unlike North India where Persianate culture gave the population a different heritage altogether.
@@mahadevkidas3522 Malayalam language is spoken by the Hindu, Muslim & Christian communities of Kerala. Before the arrival of Islam, Christian belief existed in Kerala. Thus Malayalam is not a Muslim language. More than 90 % of the scholars of Malayalam are from the Hindu community. But the Beary language is spoken exclusively by the Muslim community.
தமிழ் - Thamizh The Mother of all Southern Languages. Before 2 AD, No such languages existed but Thamizh the World oldest living language existed. You Must have included Thamizh with the above languages to understand Fully
Most of the words we understand are of Sanskrit origin. And Malayalam uses many Sanskrit loan words. This is the only connection I could find between languages other than the ones we heard due to living in different states. I am from Mangalore and I can understand a bit of words from original Telugu words and original Tamil/ Malayalam words which are not of pure Sanskrit origin. But this may only because during the last 2000 years we have been part of kingdoms which are of different natives such as Rashtrakutas Kadambas, Housalas, Pandya/Chera or Malabar which made it possible to intermix words. But if a Malayali speaks in his native accent it would be as tough as Greek to me 😅
There are hundreds of languages in the hindi belt that you wouldn’t have heard of. But, I agree. It’s strange for aliens and humans to live in one country. Each should have their own.
@@sapnashetty8987 lol kodava is a sub language of kannada. If u want information and are surf it. I don't have time to explain all those things. By the way if ur a tuluva. I'll tell one thing u won't get independent state and ur Language recognition🤣. Keep dreaming u tuluvas hate mongara always hates Kannadigas everywhere
It is a betrayal It is a betrayal Tulunadu movement was derailed during independence. Tulunadu State must be formed otherwise Tulu language will disappear. We want Tulunadu State
First, try to change the name of Mangalore! When it was proposed to change it to Kudla, Bearys, Konkanis, Chitpavnis, Havyaks, Malayalees and others opposed. Each wanted their own name. Mykala, Kodial, Mangalapura, Mangalore, etc. Even most of the Tulu folks oppose division of the state as many have vested interests in Bangalore and other parts of Karnataka.
As a continuation to a previous video where we compared Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, and Malayalam, in this video we take a look at how well Beary, Tulu, Malayalam, and Kodava speakers understand each other. Hope you enjoy the video, and if you would like to participate in a future video, follow and contact me on Instagram: instagram.com/BahadorAlast
This is the link to part 1: ruclips.net/video/I2QNKoCcL64/видео.html
I think there was a connection issues between those people. And it would be better if give oppertunity one by one to express what they got from the sentence. Otherwise everyone might answer at the same time and it will make some trouble.
Commendable effort to represent the languages spoken in southern coastal India. I am a native from Udupi and I speak all these languages at varying levels of proficiency. The dialects alone can make the languages seem alien to each other.
Would definitely love to work with you someday.
Sir you try to connection with sinhala and other Indian languages please 🙏
Thank you for the reference.
Fun fact: The native speakers of all these 4 languages can be found in an area of less than 6,000 sq kilometers (Native Malayalam speakers can be found in the entire state of Kerala, ) . Meaning The districts of Udupi and Dakshina Kannada is Octa- Lingual : Tulu, Kannada, Beary, Konkani, Malayalam, Kodava, English and Hindi. Your average joe in this district can speak atleast 3 languages but usually people are familiar with 5 languages and we use them in our everyday life, causally switching between languages.
Also Konkani
Bro snuck Hindi in
But in fact is that Udupi and dakshina kannad is called Tulu Nadu but various language came from other place. Because portugues attacked Goa so konkani came to Udupi dakshina Kannada and uttara Kannada.
@@AKASH-cw9ixtuluvas n kanndigas are native one
Tulu, Konkani, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi and English...
Can understand Beary but cant speak
Proud to be Tuluva from Malnad
Thank you Bahador for having us on the show . In such times of strife in the world as today, it just goes to show that languages are not a barrier and we have so much in common with each other ❤, even if we don't acknowledge it.
My pleasure! Thank you so much for being a part of it!
I am a Proud Malabar 🙏😎
Brother Bahador, this episode did it! This was great, simply because all of always knew about the relationship between these languages, you did the job of putting them together. Thanks!
List of languages mentioned in this video - Beary, Tulu, Malayalam, Kodava, Kannada, Konkani, Hindi, Urdu, Sanskrit
Plus those mentioned in the previous video - Telugu, Tamil, Marathi (my mother tongue) and Persian
Hope I didn't miss any
Karnataka is a very diverse place. Love from Maharashtra! Jai Bharat!
Lol in Maharashtra also Gujarati, marwadi, Kannada, tulu, Telugu, Hindi and Marathi is spoken Maharashtra is also so diverse. Love from Karnataka. Jai Karnataka
I'm a big fan of everything you do on this channel, Bahador. As a speaker of 3 Dravidian languages (Kannada, Telugu, and Tamil), I was so excited to see you bring together three low-profile and often ignored South Indian languages (Tulu, Kodava, and Beary). Unfortunately, the video ended up being a bit of a disappointment.
I don't intend to come off as overly negative, but I want to list a few issues that I hope will be construed as positive feedback:
1. The Beary speaker did not appear to understand the purpose of this exercise. He did not allow the other participants to guess the meaning of the sentences since he immediately provided the English translation.
2. There was no pre-determined order in which the participants spoke. This meant that everyone ended up speaking over each other and the end result was a jumbled, chaotic mess.
3. The Malayalam speaker kept interrupting the other participants and did not allow them to express their thoughts satisfactorily. I don't think it was his intention to interrupt them, but his enthusiasm to speak and the terrible lag in his internet connection contributed to the confusion.
4. The Kodava speaker ended up being sidelined and underrepresented.
It would have been ideal if everyone spoke in turns and attempted to guess the meaning of a sentence and then also provide the equivalent translation in their language once the meaning was made apparent.
I think all participants here are very knowledgeable and interesting people. I am sure I would have a great conversation with all of them if I met them in real life, since I share their passion and interest for the languages they represent. I only wish the video were a little more organised and a little less choatic.
Best wishes from Bangalore, South India :)
Thank you for the feedback. I understand! I was trying to continue with the flow of the previous video I made with 4 Dravidian languages together. There was a lot of excitement and enthusiasm. I'm just happy all the participants had a great time.
And Tulu speaker blended into the woodwork even in your comment. 😛
@@EagleOverTheSea I thought he was at least more audible than the Beary and Kodava speakers :)
As a Malayalam speaker I agree with you. I would have enjoyed if a little more explanation from the Tulu speaker. It somehow sounds like coming from a much anicient past. By the way I speak Malayalam, Tamil, Hindi, and watch lot of content in Telugu, understands most of it, I can read it with bit of difficulty.
Wowww..!!! Never ever expected Tulu,beary and Kodava to be on this channel..em truely amazed😮 Although these 3 languages are native to Karnataka, it sounds so different.. i get to know that beary language is similar to Malayalam as bearys moved to Mangalore few centuries ago n now beary language mixture of kannada n Malayalam.. is this true? Kodava n beary n malayalam sounds similar
Beary Languages is also mixture of Tulu Malayalam Kannada and Arabic
Thank you for doing a video on the lesser known Dravidian languages, Bahador. Looking forward to a comparison video between north, central and southern branches someday.
Sorry, if I sound greedy, Bahador! 😁
Gondi and Telugu maybe
Tamizh speaker here. I am very happy to see other south Indian languages. I especially want to hear the Beary, kodava languages. Tulu language is special. I also find similarities to Tamizh. Malayalaam, such an awesome language. Except malayalam, Tulu, Beary and Kodava has little sanskrit loanwords like Tamizh.
Hello Mr. Bahador. You are doing nice video really. Awesome. And I want to ask one thing. Your channel is actually based on similarities between two or more languages which have same ancestor family. But you also compare two languages which contains loanwords. Does it make sense?
There is no sanskriti words beary language..
@@oursurroundings964 instead beary has lot of arabic loan words
@@thepalebluedot4171yes..
Kodava is closer to Tamil after Malayalam actually that’s why
Just because I had taken Kannada as my second language in school, I had a chance to learn the language in detail from it's oldest to the newest form. This has really aided me in understanding all major Dravidian languages to a minimum of 50%. I speak Kannada and Telugu fluently. Many people may, for example, not find a word similar to the Kannada 'hottu' in the other Dravidian languages. However, on thorough understanding, we realise that cognates do exist in the other languages. Taking the same word:
Old Kannada: Pozhtu(poḻtu)
Middle Kannada: Portu/Pottu
Modern Kannada: Hottu
Tamil: Pozhutu (poḻutu)
Malayalam: Pozhutu (poḻutu)
Telugu: Proddu
Tulu: Portu
Also, words which start with a 'v' sound in Tamil, Malayalam and Telugu, usually start with 'b' in Tulu and Kannada. There are many more common letter changes/switches that occur. Basic understanding like this does help in learning other Dravidian languages quicker.
Old Kannada & Tamil are similar
Very well said. It reminds me of Sanskrit-Prakrit words in Kannada that one might not recognise at all.
Habba (festival): Parva -> Pabba -> Habba.
Banna (color): Varna -> Vanna -> Banna
Hakki (bird): Pakṣi -> Pakkhi -> Hakki
Thank you, bahador. For making video projects and making it fun and educational.
Karnataka is itself a little india 😂❤
22:53 the sentence in Kodava language shows an interesting mix of similarities to Tamil, Telugu and Sanskrit.
'Naada' - 'mine' is similar to 'naadhu' in Telugu
'Grew up' - 'bolandiye' - 'valandhen' in (spoken) Tamil
Sanskrit influences in 'moolataha', etc.
Of course the Kannada and Malayalam similarities are clear, and is the point of discussion in the video.
its not naadhu its nadi in telugu
I am Malayali that watch Telugu content off and on. I noticed a word in Kodava like "Puttina" same as in Telugu meaning born. In Malayalam and Tamil it is Pirannath/Poranthathu
@@johnutube5651that puttida is old kannada words for your info😊..it's changed as huttida in new kannada.. replacing h.
Many such words passed to telugu by kannada..that's why telugu can have sounds of both tamil and kannada because of border sharing...
People forgetting intentionally halegannada too much in many videos like this.
As a Malayali I am able to understand Kodava , Beary than Tulu
Because Tulu has it's own words
41:11
There is correction: porul doesn't means treasure in Malayalam
പൊരുൾ:
അർത്ഥം, ഭാവം
സത്യം
ധനം, ദ്രവ്യം
കാര്യം
ഐശ്വര്യം
സൂചന
വസ്തു
(Source: ശബ്ദതാരാവലി)
In Malayalam porul means: wealth, treasure, thing, meaning, objective
Hi Bahador please do a video on can all the indo iranian languages understand each other video that would be interesting to see so many similarities and differences in the iranic languages.
These 4 languages are speaking within 50-60 Kms radius but still it is very different from each other.
These were the Common Sanskrit Loan words found in these South Indian languages in their sentences ---Prem, Sneha, Bhayam, Bhakti, Shrigaram, Jeevan , Namaskar, Naadi, Moolam,(original ) , Moolataha(originally), Kutumba(Family), Mukhya, Bhasha, Vishisht, Sanskriti , Falam, Prabhava, Vyavaharam, Upayoga, Maatrubhasha(mother tongue), Maas(Month), Pravesh, Vyathayas, Kashta Sahaya, Sampradayaka, Jana, Atithi, Satkar, Aahara, Bhaari/Bhaar and also the "Khushi " Persian loan word . These are the words mainly helped them to understand each other's languages than the Dravidian commonality in their languages.
It should be "How South Indians understand each other?"
Good one!
How as an Indian, I never even knew that language of Beary existed here.
Your channel teaches me so much about not just my country but other cultures and languages, Bahador, Thank You.
We only hear of majority languages (that have been given States)
at the expense of all other languages.
@@alani3992 I know about plenty of languages spoken in India, actually, there are two videos which actually show how enforced Hindi is even destroying the other languages in the so called "Hindi Belt" of India.
Did you know there are languages in Bihar which are actually being threatened by Hindi for example, these: Angika
Bhojpuri
Bajjika
Bote-Darai
Danwar
Kumhali
Magahi
Maithili
Sadanic
Tharuic
Then in Rajasthan these are the languages that are being threatened:
Bagri
Gade Lohar
Gujari
Dhatki
Malvi
Wagdi
Hadothi
Lambadi
Loarki
Nimadi
Ahirani
Same goes for my state of Maharashtra which has around 32-40 dialects of Marathi but the formal Marathi is considered elite and say for example, Varhadi dialect and Zadhipata Dialect of my region of Vidarbha are considered as backword and rural, so, even those speakers find the formal(aka Puneri Marathi) a little difficult to speak and feel ashamed to speak their native publicly, I have witnessed that myself when around such people.
The thing is major languages as you said are actually considered to be the prototype and undermine the minor ones, which I think is wrong as we a diverse country and we shouldn't let our languages perish.
Sanskrit being one example, there are less speakers of Sanskrit today than say Aramaic(a language that's not even taught in schools in Iraq and Syria) still has around a million or two speakers even today, though in various dialects.
I'm into linguistics, but I've never heard of the Beary language. I couldn't find this language on the ethnologue website to read about it. There is a Bellari language, could this be it? Or am I mistaken?
Thank you, Bahador, for educational content🤝
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beary_language
Thank you! Bellari is different from Beary. Beary is also written as "Byari" so that could be why. Bearys have an interesting history. They were among the first Muslim communities formed in India, primarily concentrated in the southwest coast of India. Their population is just around 1 million.
@@BahadorAlast
The first Muslim community in India was formed at Kodumkalloor situated in Kerala where the first mosque (Cheraman Mosque) constructed.
@@ren_tvp7091its same time in malabar coastal area kerala coastal line of Karnataka
@@engineworld8331
Ok.
As a kannadiga I was able to understand Kodava the most
Kodava is sub language of kannada
and beary too
@@prajwalkannadiga8737 kodava is more similar to tamil.Badaga is more similar to kannada
@@being5411 kodava is literally 70% of kannada. Badaga is like mid kannada with bit tamil influence
Kodava and Kannur dialect of Malayalam has some similar thing. Both use Ba in place of Va unlike Malayalam and tamil
Kannur malayalam and Kodava has 'ba' instead of 'va' .
eg Malayalam -kannur Malayalam
Vara-Bara
Vala-Bala
Veli-Beli
Venam-Bènam
Venda-Bènda
Veluppu-Belùppu
After watching this Video, simply I can say all in one word, all are "Western Ghats People", it Starts from Gujarat to Tamil Nadu. We can see the changes and diluted form of words From Gujarat to Tamil Nadu.
Suddenly many will think Gujarati, Marathi and Konkani are Indo Aryan or European Languages, how come these come under Dravidian Group?, the fact is Present Gujarat and Present Maharashtra (with Konkan) were mostly under the domination or rule of invaders comparatively with others due to that Language changes or differences happened, but we could find many relative or similar words presently with Dravidian Family. The main role player was "Sanskrit" which mixed with and changed a single language (different dialects) within whole region to Many languages. Till day with least mix but with no changes there is a purest form sustaining, in Down South of India, that language is "Tamil".
Most of them are from Mangalore region,it is obvious all of them know tulu; please bring people from different regions then do comparison
I appreciate your your effort
In fact the region comprises of Coorg, Nilgiris, Udupi & Dakshina Kanasa, Kasargod, Waynad all are adjacent districts. The number of languages spoken in this smallest region can be upto 20 ( Tamil, Kodava, Badaga, Malayalam, Kannada, Tulu, Beary, Konkani, Irula, Toda, Kota, Beta Kurumbu, Sholaga, Jenu Kurumba, and so on) ❤❤❤❤
one very interesting video found on RUclips.....Thanks for uploading such videos
Seems like a great experience for the participants in the video. But, as a viewer of the video and a Kannada speaker, I found it very difficult to watch and follow this as nobody was finishing the translation in English. Maybe needed better moderation since there were 4 people?
for sure.
The word 'Peati/Peadi (പേടി)' in Malayalam means 'Bhaya/Bhayam' in Sanskrit. The equivalent word for 'Peadi' in English is 'Fear/Feard' . How it relates :
ie, Peati -> Peardi -> Feardi-> Feard
(P =F, di = alphabet 'd').
Just looked it up, that B existed in Old-English too.
" From Proto-Indo-European *bʰeyh₂- (“to fear”). Cognate with Old English bifian (“to tremble”), Persian بیم (bim, “fear”) and Russian бояться (bojatʹsja). "
@@alani3992 ok
@@ren_tvp7091you are right, 'bhaya' in Sanskrit has same meaning as 'peati/peadi' in Malayalam. But the closer Sanskrit word is 'bheeti'.
@@jaganshribheeti, bhayam are also in Malayalam. Malayalam can take any word from Sanskrit and any word from Tamil also.
Random question: Is the phrase "siri singara" from the Tulu sentence in any way related to "Singara Siriye"?
Yes it it means getting dressed up you can say
Thanks for all your efforts @BahadorAlast. Is it possible to have the transliteration visible to all the speakers while the call is being recorded, so they can participate more fully?
Thank you. The reason they don't see the transliteration is to test out how much they understood if they only heard it.
Good to know they understand each other
One video can be preferably made with Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam,kannada ,beary, tulu and kodava
Love in Tulu is Mokè. 4:07
Innovative podcast. Great effort. 👏👏👏👏
bayathro kattal = vayaru kattal = sympathy/empathy/pity = I guess in Beary he said it meant kindness
Proud beary from mangalore❤
As a Tamilan I can understand most sentences in this every language. 😍❣
You should a do a video about similarities between Kannada and Tulu. I think they share a lot of similarities in terms of grammar and vocabulary.
That’ll be hilarious.
Tulu person will totally understand Kannada. And, Kannada person will totally misunderstand Tulu.
@@gc95915 I can understand Tulu....many similar words are there in kannada
@bahaduralast Next time expand the panel to include more neighbouring languages. This would make it so much interesting and you can see what A does not understand of B, D can easily understand. Thanks sir
நேசம் - Nesam - Love in Thamizh the Nesam became Neham with added S - SNEHAM
Once From Ankola to Neeleshwara there was a Tulunad, later other language people's migrated and Kannada kings invaded some oarts of tulunad and forcibly spoken Kannafa and vabished Tupu language, actually Tulunad has great history but now its hidden by kannada
😂😂who told idiot alupa king's official language was kannada Goa Maharashtra Telangana official was kannada.
2 Rd century bce
Chariton mime cleary says coastal Karnataka officecal language was kannada
In Tulu it is Belpu, and it malayalam it js Veluppinu or Kaalath.
bro except malayali i guess all of them would easily know kodava because it is very close to kannada
Kodava is close to kannada I don't think so if it close than most of Kannadigas would have understood it but they cant
Also, bahador, there are people who make stupid criticism.
Don't listen to the haters.
In Malayalam as well Varsham is used for rainy season like Varsha Kalam for Mazhakkalam.
Only in literature..
How come so few of have watched this?
10:01 എൻകല്(ൽ)ന ഊരുഡു കൻഡ ദത്തുദു ബെന്നി ബെന്പ/ബെ൯പ
35:36 തുളുനാഡുഡു ഭയ ഭക്തിഡ് സിരി സിൻഗാരാദ നെമ തൂപ
39:06 പച്ചെ പജി൪(.)ദ കൻഡ, പുനി ബൈല് ലെന സാല് തുളുനാഡ് ദ പൊ൪ലു
how if thulu words written in malayalam its more similar to old Malayalam
Old Tulu script was look alike Malayalam script... Now they changed to using kannada script
Beary and Kodava languages are more similar to Malayalam. As a North Keralite I can understand most of the words in Beary and Kodava language.I think Tulu is a more independent language with their own words.
kodava is more similar to kannada than malayalam
@@abc-nj5zy I know Kannada very well. It seems you don't know Malayalam . that's why you think like that.The Kodava language is closely related to the northern dialect of Malayalam.
@@mckck338 I know Malayalam too. That's why I'm telling you kodava is more similar to kannada than malayalam. kodava is a b and k language like kannada but Malayalam is v and ch language for example
Bere(kannada), bore (kodava), vere(Malayalam)
Kivi(kannada), kemi(kodava), chevi(Malayalam)
Simple example:
What are you doing (English)
Entha madtaidiya(kannada)
Entha madyandulliya(kodava)
Enthu cheyunnu(Malayalam)
@@abc-nj5zy northern keralites also use b insted of v eg: beyye, bere , baa, benda etc.
in kodava p is used instead h in kannada .kodava numbering system is more similar to malayalam. Moreover kodavas are culturally more connected to north malabar than karnataka.
If i start to write similar words in kodava and malayalam , i cannot stop 😀..
@@mckck338 then that's kannada influence if you use b instead of v, because original Malayalam had only v not b. old kannada had p not h we still use p and h interchangeably. For example palli (lizard ) in south Karnataka but Halli in north Karnataka, pudi (powder) in south Karnataka, hudi in coastal Karnataka.
Kodavas culture have got some influence from Malabar but original kodava culture is very unique and unrelated to other Dravidian speakers.
Same if I go on listing similar words between kannada and kodava the list is endless
Moreover Sentence structure of kodava is more similar to kannada than malayalam
Barsa probably comes from Varsha. I would suspect it might come from Prakrit influence via Jainism and Buddhism.
Didn't realize that most of Prakrit would have been spread thru Jain & Buddhist missions, during & post Ashokan times.
@@alani3992 Jain influence predates Ashoka. His grandfather became a monk at Shravanabelagola that means Jainism has been in Karnataka longer than the Mauryan Empire existed perhaps.
Then how come in Tulu they use Varsha for fog? Malayalam it is Manju, same word even in Telugu
@@johnutube5651 Bro then why only tulu people interchange words for father and mother ?
In kannada we use manju for fog
In Tulu we says " Maind " for fog @@johnutube5651
Great job, Bahadur 1:53 2:00 2:03
0:20 Mangalore is not district....its dakshina kannada
I love languages im Lakshmi i can speak my mother tongue which is tamil,other languages are malayalam,kannada ,i can bit understand hindi as well as telugu .
Tulu separated from South Dravidian branch way before Tamil-Kannada separated. 2500 years ago, some form of proto-South Dravidian would’ve been spoken in the region of Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.
Tulu vocabulary, particularly verbs are unrelated every all other languages in the South Dravidian family. Old Kannada and old Tamil must have formed a dialect continuum. It can be seen even today. South Karnataka Kannada is closer to Tamil than north Karnataka Kannada. Also, Kodava separated from Kannada in the old Kannada stage. Which is why Kodava might appear close to Tamil and Malayalam. However, both Tulu and Kodava have influence of modern Kannada which makes it all the more complex and confusing.
Like P -> H and V -> B shift from old Kannada to modern Kannada is almost complete. But, in Tulu and Kodava the shift is partial because of more recent influences.
The picture is incomplete without considering Badaga, Gadaba, Are Bhashe, Havyaka and other dialects of Kannada.
Plz make video on konkani & marathi languages
You missed out invite Konkani language , where they speak in Udupi
District & some in Mudbidri Jains
Barsa is derived from Varsha which means rain
Yes. The Persian word barsāt برسات is also related to varsha.
@@shahanshahpolonium because persian belong to same language family as hindi or sanskrit
These berry speaker dint understood not to tell english translation 😂
Tulu is the first language separated from Tamil-Kannada in South Dravidian so Tulu sounds very different than others
I wrote the same.
Pundi is called Unda in northernmost malayalam, in actual malayalam the closely related word is Kozukkatta, the difference is Kozukkatta has sweet and coconut inside where as Unda/ Pundi is made of rice, sometimes a bit of coconut.
Pidi in Kottayam side. Kozhiyum Pidiyum is famous. No filling rice dumplings
Bahador, please bring more knowledgeable and serious people..
For love in Tulu another word is moke
hormath = respect? So same in Malay language....
Arabic loan word may be
@@hishamsalim4908
it is an Arabic word - Hormat it means hornour
Since Beary communities are Muslim quote possible they have Islamic and Arabic influence
@@sunwukong2959 yes i assume too... And sure they have much influence of arabic
Very nice ❤
The way they pronuunced their place of origin in English sounded similar for the first three guys. I am lost!
All 4 of them are from the same state in south India called Karnataka. And all 4 of them are from the coastal part. They are probably within a 250-350 mile radius. That’s how diverse India is!
@@MyAscetic Malayalam from Kerala
How can we participate with this
Barsa is not from Barsaat - Barsa is from Varsha which is rain...
Beary is like kasargod malayalam
I am kannadathi,, I can understand 100% kodava and 50% tulu but beary 30%
One state many world❤
It was interesting for me that the Abdul Rahiman who is speaking Beary is Muslim because I thought South Indian languages not native to any Muslim community
Beary (or byari) means trade in local language. 'Byari bhasha' means 'Traders' language', and may have originated as a 'creole' used by folks involved in early Malabar-Arab sea trade. The Beary community is one of the earliest Muslim communities in India going back to 700s CE - even earlier than Islam in North India. In a sense, it can be considered to be the 'Urdu of the Malabar coast'
Dude, Malayalam is a native muslim language and so do Tamil. 90% of all Muslims living in Kerala speaks Malayalam, Urdu is alien here, Arabic is more popular among Muslims in Kerala than Persian, Urdu or Turkish.
Muslim community in Kerala and Coastal Karnataka are related to Arab trading community. They came here peacefully and not via conquest or converting local population by sword. Muslims came here even before Malayalam was formed, Muslims came here at 600 AD...
There are tamil Muslims, Malayali Muslims. These Muslim communities are the oldest in India
South Indians (Dravidians) actually got introduced to Islam earlier to the Northern part of India. The Indian state of Kerala has the oldest mosque to exist in the entirety of the Indian Subcontinent. However it is true that Dravidians are culturally (regardless of religion) closer to their roots of Dravidian folk religion and Hinduism, unlike North India where Persianate culture gave the population a different heritage altogether.
@@mahadevkidas3522
Malayalam language is spoken by the Hindu, Muslim & Christian communities of Kerala. Before the arrival of Islam, Christian belief existed in Kerala. Thus Malayalam is not a Muslim language. More than 90 % of the scholars of Malayalam are from the Hindu community. But the Beary language is spoken exclusively by the Muslim community.
தமிழ் - Thamizh
The Mother of all Southern Languages.
Before 2 AD, No such languages existed but Thamizh the World oldest living language existed.
You Must have included Thamizh with the above languages to understand Fully
Tulu is older
Beary ലിപി ആരേലും ശ്രെദ്ധിച്ചോ ഏകദേശം മലയാളം ലിപി പോലെ തന്നെ😮
Tulu*
Beary guy is repeatedly told not to reveal the meaning but still ge doesn't understand
Fun fact: Mangaluru is NOT a district 😌
That Mallu guy is so annoying, always interrupting. Bro, in your interest, learn how to listen and make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
Fr man, the other south Indians video the malayalam guy was so respectful, they should have just brought him on instead of him.
Kodava borrows words from Telugu as well. Especially when the other 3 guys cannot explain, a Telugu person would have connected that missing link.
😂😂 totally unrelated here.u don't share border here.this is like gondi has malayalam word
Kannada should have been added.
Kannada is a link btn other three except Malayalam
Beary ❤
ikkone aayo = irikkaNaayaal meaning "indengil" = if it exists
Undaavenda nalla gunangal
No Mangalore Districk it is Dakshina Kannada
Most of the words we understand are of Sanskrit origin. And Malayalam uses many Sanskrit loan words. This is the only connection I could find between languages other than the ones we heard due to living in different states. I am from Mangalore and I can understand a bit of words from original Telugu words and original Tamil/ Malayalam words which are not of pure Sanskrit origin. But this may only because during the last 2000 years we have been part of kingdoms which are of different natives such as Rashtrakutas Kadambas, Housalas, Pandya/Chera or Malabar which made it possible to intermix words. But if a Malayali speaks in his native accent it would be as tough as Greek to me 😅
Malayalam less sanskrit.
@@keralanaturelover196nah! It's filled with Sanskrit words
naada is not "rope"! "Naada" is close to "Njangade" - like ours
Naan+da=Naada
Like Malayalam
Ni+de-Ninde
I for one found the guy spoke Malayalam very annoying. Half the time he mix up the languages suppose!
Who said that potthal😅😂😂😂😂😂
AA janak tulu barpuja moke in tulu for love
Beary is a mullas language spoken by peaceful community of costal Karnataka
As a hindi speaker , all these languages are so alien to me and i didnt know the names of three of them😂😂 khan se laate hn ye dhoondh kr😢
Gunnisha means thunnisha😂😂😂😂
Because beari Tulu kodava are not major languages
There are hundreds of languages in the hindi belt that you wouldn’t have heard of.
But, I agree. It’s strange for aliens and humans to live in one country. Each should have their own.
You have to choose the people who don't know other languages....!
How come mist and rain both are the same things.
Aslam alaikum is Arabic not beary.
Yes..but Beary language has some Arabic influence
Like👇
Rahmat/Rahat
Qalbu
Niyyatth
barkath
Swalih
I wnat that first sir to teach beary
Tulu ❤🎉
Beary 💚
The malayalee is talking too much ...acting like coordinator . Should have ethic to let others to contribute
All have come from Tamil as base except tulu...
Total Chaos
Kodava is not a different language its a dielet of kannada. Kannadigas can understand 100% kodava. Vice versa
It is a different language
@@sapnashetty8987 lol kodava is a sub language of kannada. If u want information and are surf it. I don't have time to explain all those things. By the way if ur a tuluva. I'll tell one thing u won't get independent state and ur Language recognition🤣. Keep dreaming u tuluvas hate mongara always hates Kannadigas everywhere
Kodava is different language.
I think that Kodava is equidistant from Kannada, Tamil and Malayalam.
Undue instruption by way of interpretation
It is a betrayal
It is a betrayal
Tulunadu movement was derailed during independence.
Tulunadu State must be formed otherwise Tulu language will disappear. We want Tulunadu State
First, try to change the name of Mangalore!
When it was proposed to change it to Kudla, Bearys, Konkanis, Chitpavnis, Havyaks, Malayalees and others opposed. Each wanted their own name.
Mykala, Kodial, Mangalapura, Mangalore, etc.
Even most of the Tulu folks oppose division of the state as many have vested interests in Bangalore and other parts of Karnataka.
No co-ordination they are just shouting.
Namaste, salej alejkum 😅
coorg Kodava yarava kuruba language❤