Wonder if @joerogan will ever invite Drysdale on his pod given he's being given Elvis-esque credit, and Drysdale himself is a former ADCC champ for that matter. I doubt it though. I think Rogan is fully committed to upholding the Gracie mythology. I remember Eddie Brawo was on JRE in the last year or so and brought up George Gracie but Rogan had no interest in delving further into a topic that might scrutinise the mythology.
Ppl say they stole this art from that art etc. it’s nothing new. It’s happened that way for centuries. The art the Gracie’s were taught is called Kosen Judo. It’s 1,000,000% different than the stereotypical name “Judo” that’s thrown around today as a blanket statement. Just like ppl say oh you train Karate? Lol no it’s not Karate. A perfect example: woman and her husband are going to a local gym at 5:00 to train in “Muay Thai”. Noooo you’re going to the local gym at 5:00 to train in “Thai Boxing class”. There’s a huge difference, I hardly know of any real places (maybe 20) in the US teaching real Muay Thai and Krabi Krabong. So for ppl to generalize judo is incorrect. Not all Judo is Kano! There’s many small off beat Judo styles the world doesn’t know about that are being taught in the small back alley ways off the street corners, in hidden buildings and basements that’s not for mass consumption. Kosen Judo flows tightly to its mother are of jujutsu as a grappling style that looks identical to BJJ. I speak of this having a black belt in Judo, black belt in Jujutsu and a blue belt in BJJ under Carlson Gracie in 1997. At the time the Carlson Team were the only school who taught no gi bjj and that’s what I was after. Only after the Gi class finished those, who had an ounce of energy left after a two hour grappling class could stay and learn no Gi. I agree with this guy 100% and bought his book. Making it to a blue belt took forever, I failed the test many times before I finally got it. I was flying from NY to Miami to train staying many months on end in the process. But when you got it, you knew you earned it. Classes were small and very physical. A lot of that is lost today. I still teach Carlson‘s methods of jiu-jitsu in my small club to a handful of dedicated men who have been with me for dozens of years. I don’t teach for a living, I’ve never sold out. And I’m preserving the methods that were handed down to me in its purest simplest form. The evolution of Brazilian jiu-jitsu has grown to adapt to an MMA lifestyle. Which is wonderful for the sport. But what about the guy who has to fight the drunk in the bar or the asshole on his job? They don’t need all that rigorous MMA training to take care of somebody quickly with a couple of basics. I believe it’s important to have schools like that, as well as for MMA competition, BJJ competition, etc. As we get older, we pay the price for the rigorous torture we put our bodies through. As we adapt with our age, our training needs to adapt with us as well.
Roberts work is so important for BJJ. We are at risk of turning BJJ (especially NoGi) into a clown show. The same (or a similar) clown show mma became. BJJ needs a strong IBJJF and a solid adcc. BJJ shall not become wwe(wwf).
That's not true. BJJ mostly evolved out of Judo but they took some inspiration from Catch as well. Ultimately there is just grappling with different martial arts having different competition rulesets that guide the evolution of grappling in different directions: BJJ eliminated Pins, Escapes and Ippons from the rules meaning that it focused on guard playing vs guard passing and submissions. As a result Jiu Jitsu practitioners evolved to be better at these skill sets than any other martial art just as Amateur wrestlers are the best at no gi take downs and Judoka the best at Gi throws. Submission grappling is still growing. The recent leg lock revolution in BJJ has far surpassed catch wrestling's leg locks. Gordon Ryan will clown on any catch wrestler.
Awesome podcast, really enjoy listening to Robert Drysdale. He is very well spoken and insightful.
What happened with the documentary that was supposed to accompany the book?
Robert Drysdale is awesome.
Episode begins at 16:06
Wonder if @joerogan will ever invite Drysdale on his pod given he's being given Elvis-esque credit, and Drysdale himself is a former ADCC champ for that matter. I doubt it though. I think Rogan is fully committed to upholding the Gracie mythology. I remember Eddie Brawo was on JRE in the last year or so and brought up George Gracie but Rogan had no interest in delving further into a topic that might scrutinise the mythology.
Ppl say they stole this art from that art etc. it’s nothing new. It’s happened that way for centuries. The art the Gracie’s were taught is called Kosen Judo. It’s 1,000,000% different than the stereotypical name “Judo” that’s thrown around today as a blanket statement. Just like ppl say oh you train Karate? Lol no it’s not Karate. A perfect example: woman and her husband are going to a local gym at 5:00 to train in “Muay Thai”. Noooo you’re going to the local gym at 5:00 to train in “Thai Boxing class”. There’s a huge difference, I hardly know of any real places (maybe 20) in the US teaching real Muay Thai and Krabi Krabong. So for ppl to generalize judo is incorrect. Not all Judo is Kano! There’s many small off beat Judo styles the world doesn’t know about that are being taught in the small back alley ways off the street corners, in hidden buildings and basements that’s not for mass consumption. Kosen Judo flows tightly to its mother are of jujutsu as a grappling style that looks identical to BJJ. I speak of this having a black belt in Judo, black belt in Jujutsu and a blue belt in BJJ under Carlson Gracie in 1997. At the time the Carlson Team were the only school who taught no gi bjj and that’s what I was after. Only after the Gi class finished those, who had an ounce of energy left after a two hour grappling class could stay and learn no Gi.
I agree with this guy 100% and bought his book. Making it to a blue belt took forever, I failed the test many times before I finally got it. I was flying from NY to Miami to train staying many months on end in the process. But when you got it, you knew you earned it. Classes were small and very physical. A lot of that is lost today. I still teach Carlson‘s methods of jiu-jitsu in my small club to a handful of dedicated men who have been with me for dozens of years. I don’t teach for a living, I’ve never sold out. And I’m preserving the methods that were handed down to me in its purest simplest form. The evolution of Brazilian jiu-jitsu has grown to adapt to an MMA lifestyle. Which is wonderful for the sport. But what about the guy who has to fight the drunk in the bar or the asshole on his job? They don’t need all that rigorous MMA training to take care of somebody quickly with a couple of basics. I believe it’s important to have schools like that, as well as for MMA competition, BJJ competition, etc. As we get older, we pay the price for the rigorous torture we put our bodies through. As we adapt with our age, our training needs to adapt with us as well.
For sure Carlson would be against buttscooting
Roberts work is so important for BJJ. We are at risk of turning BJJ (especially NoGi) into a clown show. The same (or a similar) clown show mma became. BJJ needs a strong IBJJF and a solid adcc. BJJ shall not become wwe(wwf).
Helio stole most of his bjj moves from catch wrestling. He even had a luta livre coach.
That's not true. BJJ mostly evolved out of Judo but they took some inspiration from Catch as well. Ultimately there is just grappling with different martial arts having different competition rulesets that guide the evolution of grappling in different directions: BJJ eliminated Pins, Escapes and Ippons from the rules meaning that it focused on guard playing vs guard passing and submissions. As a result Jiu Jitsu practitioners evolved to be better at these skill sets than any other martial art just as Amateur wrestlers are the best at no gi take downs and Judoka the best at Gi throws. Submission grappling is still growing. The recent leg lock revolution in BJJ has far surpassed catch wrestling's leg locks. Gordon Ryan will clown on any catch wrestler.
Catch wrestling is better the Bjj.
As guy who’s been training BJJ for 13+ years, I don’t necessarily disagree. But what good is something if it isn’t widely available or learnable?
@@aarondee1802 I agree it's making a comeback tho in England their's tournament and classes.
@@frankiecal3186 would love to see a head to head versus match.
Catch what.... LOL
In catch wrestling you are pinned if you pull guard. All the top Catch wrestlers have BJJ experience Josh Barnett is a black belt.