I was just assigned one of these at my new IT job and it's so nice to be working with Thinkpad again over the Dell laptops I was assigned at my last job.
I just bought one of these. In December 2024, it's on clearance from Lenovo for 55% off the original retail price, a great price for a laptop with this much capability, and that uses sockets and screws instead of soldering and gluing, so that battery, DRAM, WiFi card, and SSD's are all user replaceable if you want to upgrade, or replace an SSD that's starting to fail. Mine has the 4k display screen. The only thing missing in this laptop is an Ethernet port, but this can be easily fixed with a USB-C hub, which will give you that Ethernet connection, an additional HDMI port, and usually at least 3 or 4 extra USB-A and USB-C ports. The two M.2 ports are both 2280 size, so you can mount two drives - and the 2280 cards are less expensive per unit of storage capacity than the 2230's that you see in a lot of laptops nowadays. It comes with two 8 gb DIMM sticks - if this isn't enough for your purpose, DDR5-5600 memory is pretty inexpensive - just toss the 8 gB sticks and buy a 64 gB or 96 gB kit of Crucial or Silicon Power memory (two SO-DIMMS) and you will future-proof the laptop for at least the next several years. A 64 gB kit costs $160, and the 96 gB kit is $215. The 96 gB kit is the best value at the moment. Western Digital Black SSD's are $110 for the 2 tB size. Toss the 512 gB one that comes with the machine (after transferring everything on it to the new 2 tB stick), and you can upgrade to 4 tB of storage for $220. The Ryzen 7 CPU should be more than capable to carry any software and OS upgrades coming for at least 10 years, so this is a laptop you won't be dumping in a landfill anytime soon. The GPU isn't quite up to heavy gaming - after all, this is a productivity workstation and not meant to be a gaming laptop - but for CADD rendering or video editing, it's more than enough graphics power. Anyway, if user repair and upgradeability are important to you, this ThinkPad is one of the best values around at the moment. This reviewer gave a "mediocre" score to the base model's display screen, but the good news is that if you are buying one of these in December 2024, it comes with the 16" WQUXGA (3840 x 2400), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR 400, 100%DCI-P3, 800 nits, 60Hz, Low Blue Light display, and the whole laptop is only $1389 with this 800 nit, 4K display screen. It's an incredible value at this price point.
Nice review. IMHO this with 64GB RAM, 2x2TB SSD and maybe that 800nits optional display should give a fine machine for software development, data analysis and virtual machines. Love the fact that it has a numeric keypad. 😊
Thanks! Waiting for Lenovo to send me the ThinkPad T14s Gen 4 (AMD), stuck in customs at the moment. Will be reviewing the P16 Gen 2 or P1 Gen 6 after that. *With the Yoga Slim 7 inbetween if they ever ship it out! 👍
Yes, that's a bit odd that there isn't an Ethernet port on this machine, which is marketed as a productivity workstation, but it's easily fixed by adding a USB-C hub that includes an RJ45 jack. These aren't expensive, decent ones are $39, and give you an additional HDMI port, the RJ45 port, and typically 4 to 56 additional USB-A and USB-C ports for connecting printers, flatbed scanners, mice, portable 2-1/2" external HDD's, and other peripherals. The two USB-C ports on the back of the laptop are USB4, with 40 gb/sec bandwidth, so they should be able to handle a bunch of peripheral i/o through a good quality hub.
hey, I was recommended this laptop due to its lower configuration options potentially making it overall "far less noisy" cp. w the P16 model. Since the chassis looks so similar and it comes w/o vapor chamber, would you support that judgement? (that it is more silent than the p16 gen 2?)
I just purchased one of these to replace my old t430, and I specced it out, I was a bit worried about the robustness of the chassis. Hadn't realised it did not come with built in gigabit adapter, will need to get a dongle for this when I'm working on various networks. It has a option for a smart card reader, but this was not offered at my spec setpoint.
Hey. Notice how 3 keys left from the ENTER key are smaller than the other letter keys? As someone from a Nordic country, those are actual letters that we use in our languages. Don't you think that's massively weird?
Thanks. Also pretty interested in the AMD Ryzen 7040/Radeon 78xx series models. Due to supply issues these models are delayed at the moment. Been told by Lenovo UK early October ETA.
Hi, thanks for the review! How can it be that the 800 nits display option is rated for "HDR400" (according to the Lenovo homepage)? Is it dimming down to half brightness automatically when watching HDR videos?
Purely to guarantee minimum 400 nits for the HDR400 certification. More for marketing purposes. Not sure that it dims down as it just needs to meet the min. requirements of 400 cd/m2.
I wanted a slim neoprene cover for it, no extra pouches or straps, but Lenovo doesn't offer one for 16" it seems. If someone found something very basic, i would be interested. Just to protect it in my backpack.
Thank you very much for the review - you seem to be one of the very first people to do so on RUclips with the P16v. Some questions though: at first you say there's a noticeable difference with the new 1.5 mm key travel, then afterwards that it's incredibly pleasant to type on. I've been considering buying this laptop for a while now and key travel is the only thing that worries me slightly.. I had been using an old E530 with 2.2 or 2.3 mm travel for years, then got an X1 Yoga gen II a while ago, which should be 1.8 mm and felt weird initially, but I quite like it now. With 1.5 mm, I am still unsure whether to trust that I will get used to it or I will hate it for the rest of my life.. Additionally, you mentioned the dual-fan cooling does a good job of keeping things well-aired. And at the end of the video, you say that the fan noise is bad even with the i5 processor and iGPU.. if I were to buy a P16v, it'd be with an i7 at least and the RTX 2000 Ada dGPU. So can you please clarify these things for me, please..
The keyboard is going to be personal preference. Personally I've used ThinkPads for years and the P16v is still an excellent keyboard to type on. Nicely spaced out, tactile keys. Any mobile workstation will make some form of fan noise as that is why it is used for. Is it enough to be a distraction? No, in my opinion.
I just bought a P16V running I9. The fan noice is noticible. I adjust the performance to Power efficiency and it reduce the noise a little bit. But if you run some hardcore programs or multiple tasking, the fan will start running and making the noise (super loud)
@@Dovecomputers Any evidence of throttling? I wonder if the cooling is really good enough for the power hungry HS version instead of the cooler U version (almost identical CPUs, running at different voltages). Thx! I also really do care if the fan is running much for light work... Would be great to know. Thx!
In December 2024, you can get a 96 gB kit (dual 48 gB) DDR5-5600 SO-DIMMS for only $215 (Crucial branded). The CPU and BIOS should support that much. Or the 64 gB kit is only $159. The DRAM and SSD mounts are sockets, not soldered, so you can replace and upgrade to your heart's content. Also, the battery is not glued down - it's just 6 screws holding it, and a direct power connection with pogo pins, so no ribbon cable to worry about when replacing the battery. Even the WiFi card is user-replaceable if you should ever need to.
If you get the upgrade monitor (only $20 more), these are the specs: 16" WQUXGA (3840 x 2400), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR 400, 100%DCI-P3, 800 nits, 60Hz, Low Blue Light.
hello! Help me! im looking for laptop which is available in india, usage : Creator + Moderate Gammer + Programmer, please suggest me a laptop, im very confused over different models here. pl suggest in latest tech and feature under 90,000 rupees, Please reply as soon as you view this comment. pl.! suggest by usage pl! waiting for your reply, for this price im getting suggested to go for intel iris xe, or should i look for RTX 3050? and very less specs
The P16v is a powerhouse. The review unit Dove got was an i5, but the lowest they offer now is i7. We got an i9 13900H with 64GB of ram and the RTX 2000 ADA. This uses a 170w power adaptor (Their lowest i7 model uses 130w), which exceeds the 100w limit of USB C cables. USB C 2.1 standard just pushed through last year, allowing 240 watts, but cables are just now getting certified, so it makes sense that this isn't USB C. They probably could have made a 100w mode that limited the power usage of the laptop to allow USB C though, that would have been nice, but having two USB C ports instead of one being taken by a charger has been a blessing in disguise. As USB C 2.1 becomes tried and true, I'm sure we'll see more implementations of it, they'll probably try it in other models first since they usually only push what they know works well to Thinkpads.
@@dogbytemarketing macbook pro also has 140W power adaptor, but this did not stop the manufacturer from making it possible to charge from usb c Dell laptops are also charged from usbc, although their power is much higher than 100 W
@igor_g yea not sure why they didn't allow it to charge at 100w, but there are adaptors to go from USB C to the square connector, albeit at 100w. It's definitely an odd decision, but not a deciding factor for us since it is essentially replacing a desktop.
@@dogbytemarketing"Their lowest i7 model uses 130w" I hope i get this one. Someone has to haul this monster from work to home and back and i suspect it's supposed to be me. Asked for a x16 or something small, but they ordered this for someone else that in the end didn't work for us, so i have to use it. The one with the A1000 graphics card. Anyway, it's possible it actually does loading per USB-C, but only if powered off. I can load up my old trusty T480s with a RaspberryPi USB-C power supply, if it's off and i have the time ;-).
I don't think it's a drawback - in fact, I consider it a disadvantage when a laptop uses a USB-C power connection. When the power brick plugs in to a dedicated barrel port, you aren't having to use one of the USB ports, of which there are only 4, just for the power brick. Think of it this way: in an office environment, you might need to have this laptop connected to a flatbed scanner, a printer, one or more external USB portable hard drives, a corded mouse if you dislike using the track pad (as I do), an RJ-45 dongle for the Ethernet, and maybe a thumb drive or two. The last thing you want in a situation like that is to have to use one of those USB ports just for the power brick. There are only 2 USB 4.0 ports on this machine - typically you would need one for a USB Hub, and the other for an RJ-45 dongle or a second HDMI/Display Port dongle.
I was just assigned one of these at my new IT job and it's so nice to be working with Thinkpad again over the Dell laptops I was assigned at my last job.
can not believe that this guy has not like a million subscribers. excellent content.
This is arguably the greatest review out there on the P16v Gen 1. I've been searching endlessly for a review on this laptop and you nailed it. Thanks
I just bought one of these. In December 2024, it's on clearance from Lenovo for 55% off the original retail price, a great price for a laptop with this much capability, and that uses sockets and screws instead of soldering and gluing, so that battery, DRAM, WiFi card, and SSD's are all user replaceable if you want to upgrade, or replace an SSD that's starting to fail. Mine has the 4k display screen. The only thing missing in this laptop is an Ethernet port, but this can be easily fixed with a USB-C hub, which will give you that Ethernet connection, an additional HDMI port, and usually at least 3 or 4 extra USB-A and USB-C ports. The two M.2 ports are both 2280 size, so you can mount two drives - and the 2280 cards are less expensive per unit of storage capacity than the 2230's that you see in a lot of laptops nowadays. It comes with two 8 gb DIMM sticks - if this isn't enough for your purpose, DDR5-5600 memory is pretty inexpensive - just toss the 8 gB sticks and buy a 64 gB or 96 gB kit of Crucial or Silicon Power memory (two SO-DIMMS) and you will future-proof the laptop for at least the next several years. A 64 gB kit costs $160, and the 96 gB kit is $215. The 96 gB kit is the best value at the moment. Western Digital Black SSD's are $110 for the 2 tB size. Toss the 512 gB one that comes with the machine (after transferring everything on it to the new 2 tB stick), and you can upgrade to 4 tB of storage for $220. The Ryzen 7 CPU should be more than capable to carry any software and OS upgrades coming for at least 10 years, so this is a laptop you won't be dumping in a landfill anytime soon. The GPU isn't quite up to heavy gaming - after all, this is a productivity workstation and not meant to be a gaming laptop - but for CADD rendering or video editing, it's more than enough graphics power.
Anyway, if user repair and upgradeability are important to you, this ThinkPad is one of the best values around at the moment. This reviewer gave a "mediocre" score to the base model's display screen, but the good news is that if you are buying one of these in December 2024, it comes with the 16" WQUXGA (3840 x 2400), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR 400, 100%DCI-P3, 800 nits, 60Hz, Low Blue Light display, and the whole laptop is only $1389 with this 800 nit, 4K display screen. It's an incredible value at this price point.
Nice review. IMHO this with 64GB RAM, 2x2TB SSD and maybe that 800nits optional display should give a fine machine for software development, data analysis and virtual machines. Love the fact that it has a numeric keypad. 😊
Excellent review on the ups and downs of professional line workstation! Very helpful in making informed choices.
Still waiting on your review of ThinkPad t16 gen 2 amd or even p16s gen 2.. We would really like silver color just for change ❤
Thanks! Waiting for Lenovo to send me the ThinkPad T14s Gen 4 (AMD), stuck in customs at the moment. Will be reviewing the P16 Gen 2 or P1 Gen 6 after that. *With the Yoga Slim 7 inbetween if they ever ship it out! 👍
I wish it had the RJ45 Ethernet port. Kinda sad they didn't inlclude for the laptop they position as a workstation.
Yes, that's a bit odd that there isn't an Ethernet port on this machine, which is marketed as a productivity workstation, but it's easily fixed by adding a USB-C hub that includes an RJ45 jack. These aren't expensive, decent ones are $39, and give you an additional HDMI port, the RJ45 port, and typically 4 to 56 additional USB-A and USB-C ports for connecting printers, flatbed scanners, mice, portable 2-1/2" external HDD's, and other peripherals. The two USB-C ports on the back of the laptop are USB4, with 40 gb/sec bandwidth, so they should be able to handle a bunch of peripheral i/o through a good quality hub.
@@laura-ann.0726 Yeah, I got it that USB-C is universal port for anything these days. Though, it would be nice to have a dedicated RJ-45 port :)
hey, I was recommended this laptop due to its lower configuration options potentially making it overall "far less noisy" cp. w the P16 model. Since the chassis looks so similar and it comes w/o vapor chamber, would you support that judgement? (that it is more silent than the p16 gen 2?)
I just purchased one of these to replace my old t430, and I specced it out, I was a bit worried about the robustness of the chassis. Hadn't realised it did not come with built in gigabit adapter, will need to get a dongle for this when I'm working on various networks. It has a option for a smart card reader, but this was not offered at my spec setpoint.
Hey. Notice how 3 keys left from the ENTER key are smaller than the other letter keys? As someone from a Nordic country, those are actual letters that we use in our languages. Don't you think that's massively weird?
Will Thinkpad be coming back out with a 17" or larger screen in the 4th quarter 2024 or during 2025?
How about the speaker quality? The ips display is better if I choose 4k screen option?
Nice review
Waiting for p16s gen2 amd
Thanks. Also pretty interested in the AMD Ryzen 7040/Radeon 78xx series models. Due to supply issues these models are delayed at the moment. Been told by Lenovo UK early October ETA.
Hi, thanks for the review! How can it be that the 800 nits display option is rated for "HDR400" (according to the Lenovo homepage)? Is it dimming down to half brightness automatically when watching HDR videos?
Purely to guarantee minimum 400 nits for the HDR400 certification. More for marketing purposes. Not sure that it dims down as it just needs to meet the min. requirements of 400 cd/m2.
The rumours of the AMD version being much quieter than the Intel one.. are they true?
I just bought one with the AMD Ryzen 7-7840HS CPU; it's due to be delivered tomorrow, and I'll report back on the noise level.
I'm between This AMD model and Legion Slim 7. Does the P16V AMD, with integrated graphics only, come with dual fan cooler. I suspect it's single fan.
I wanted a slim neoprene cover for it, no extra pouches or straps, but Lenovo doesn't offer one for 16" it seems. If someone found something very basic, i would be interested. Just to protect it in my backpack.
Maybe try the Lenovo Yoga 16" sleeve? I use the 14.5" version to protect my Yoga Slim 7 in the backpack.
Curious how it compares to Dell XPS 17 regarding noise under load? 🤔
Thank you very much for the review - you seem to be one of the very first people to do so on RUclips with the P16v.
Some questions though: at first you say there's a noticeable difference with the new 1.5 mm key travel, then afterwards that it's incredibly pleasant to type on. I've been considering buying this laptop for a while now and key travel is the only thing that worries me slightly.. I had been using an old E530 with 2.2 or 2.3 mm travel for years, then got an X1 Yoga gen II a while ago, which should be 1.8 mm and felt weird initially, but I quite like it now. With 1.5 mm, I am still unsure whether to trust that I will get used to it or I will hate it for the rest of my life..
Additionally, you mentioned the dual-fan cooling does a good job of keeping things well-aired. And at the end of the video, you say that the fan noise is bad even with the i5 processor and iGPU.. if I were to buy a P16v, it'd be with an i7 at least and the RTX 2000 Ada dGPU.
So can you please clarify these things for me, please..
The keyboard is going to be personal preference. Personally I've used ThinkPads for years and the P16v is still an excellent keyboard to type on. Nicely spaced out, tactile keys. Any mobile workstation will make some form of fan noise as that is why it is used for. Is it enough to be a distraction? No, in my opinion.
I just bought a P16V running I9. The fan noice is noticible. I adjust the performance to Power efficiency and it reduce the noise a little bit. But if you run some hardcore programs or multiple tasking, the fan will start running and making the noise (super loud)
@@Dovecomputers Any evidence of throttling? I wonder if the cooling is really good enough for the power hungry HS version instead of the cooler U version (almost identical CPUs, running at different voltages). Thx! I also really do care if the fan is running much for light work... Would be great to know. Thx!
Is the P16v AMD have soldere ram or can you upgrade it?
Two SO-DIMM slots, up to 64GB DDR5.
In December 2024, you can get a 96 gB kit (dual 48 gB) DDR5-5600 SO-DIMMS for only $215 (Crucial branded). The CPU and BIOS should support that much. Or the 64 gB kit is only $159. The DRAM and SSD mounts are sockets, not soldered, so you can replace and upgrade to your heart's content. Also, the battery is not glued down - it's just 6 screws holding it, and a direct power connection with pogo pins, so no ribbon cable to worry about when replacing the battery. Even the WiFi card is user-replaceable if you should ever need to.
what's the adobe rgb %?
If you get the upgrade monitor (only $20 more), these are the specs: 16" WQUXGA (3840 x 2400), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR 400, 100%DCI-P3, 800 nits, 60Hz, Low Blue Light.
hello! Help me! im looking for laptop which is available in india, usage : Creator + Moderate Gammer + Programmer, please suggest me a laptop, im very confused over different models here. pl suggest in latest tech and feature under 90,000 rupees, Please reply as soon as you view this comment. pl.! suggest by usage pl! waiting for your reply, for this price im getting suggested to go for intel iris xe, or should i look for RTX 3050? and very less specs
Good sightseeings
it doesnt support charging by usbc
and this is a big drawback
The P16v is a powerhouse. The review unit Dove got was an i5, but the lowest they offer now is i7. We got an i9 13900H with 64GB of ram and the RTX 2000 ADA. This uses a 170w power adaptor (Their lowest i7 model uses 130w), which exceeds the 100w limit of USB C cables. USB C 2.1 standard just pushed through last year, allowing 240 watts, but cables are just now getting certified, so it makes sense that this isn't USB C. They probably could have made a 100w mode that limited the power usage of the laptop to allow USB C though, that would have been nice, but having two USB C ports instead of one being taken by a charger has been a blessing in disguise. As USB C 2.1 becomes tried and true, I'm sure we'll see more implementations of it, they'll probably try it in other models first since they usually only push what they know works well to Thinkpads.
@@dogbytemarketing macbook pro also has 140W power adaptor, but this did not stop the manufacturer from making it possible to charge from usb c
Dell laptops are also charged from usbc, although their power is much higher than 100 W
@igor_g yea not sure why they didn't allow it to charge at 100w, but there are adaptors to go from USB C to the square connector, albeit at 100w. It's definitely an odd decision, but not a deciding factor for us since it is essentially replacing a desktop.
@@dogbytemarketing"Their lowest i7 model uses 130w" I hope i get this one. Someone has to haul this monster from work to home and back and i suspect it's supposed to be me. Asked for a x16 or something small, but they ordered this for someone else that in the end didn't work for us, so i have to use it. The one with the A1000 graphics card.
Anyway, it's possible it actually does loading per USB-C, but only if powered off. I can load up my old trusty T480s with a RaspberryPi USB-C power supply, if it's off and i have the time ;-).
I don't think it's a drawback - in fact, I consider it a disadvantage when a laptop uses a USB-C power connection. When the power brick plugs in to a dedicated barrel port, you aren't having to use one of the USB ports, of which there are only 4, just for the power brick. Think of it this way: in an office environment, you might need to have this laptop connected to a flatbed scanner, a printer, one or more external USB portable hard drives, a corded mouse if you dislike using the track pad (as I do), an RJ-45 dongle for the Ethernet, and maybe a thumb drive or two. The last thing you want in a situation like that is to have to use one of those USB ports just for the power brick. There are only 2 USB 4.0 ports on this machine - typically you would need one for a USB Hub, and the other for an RJ-45 dongle or a second HDMI/Display Port dongle.