This man is a gent among gents and a great orator of all things tech. No loud music, no dancing graphics, just friendly sound advice. Thumbs up every time! Thank you, kind Sir!!!
@@fractalofgod6324 .He geeked me out i made a comment on the raspberry pi video he said it could replace a desk top pc. i said no it cant you can buy a quad core xeon that will run 24gb of ram and i bought a used hp z400 cheaper and he replied.. no you can't tottaly geeked me out. But he is wrong a raspberry pi can't run music production and video editing softwear it's a toy little computer.
@@MohsinExperiments ..with Music production and video editing you need alot of ram and cpu. but there so cheap if you know what to look for like the hpz400 you can put 6 core 3.20 ghz and there £25 used on ebay. A rasberr pi will be slow just to surf the internet even a android phone is faster.
SMART reports that the OCZ Vertex 3 in my 10 y.o. everyday system (total power-on hours of 4.02 years) still has a 'remaining life' of 98%. Sure, it's a boot disk, not a data disk, but I've done nothing fancy to minimise writes to it (e.g. redirect temp files elsewhere) and speed-wise it's still much faster, cooler and quieter than the (long since dead) WD black drive it replaced.
My very first SSD, a 2009 64GB Samsung PB22-J (badged as a Patriot Torqx M28) which was the predecessor of the Samsung 470, which in turn was the predecessor of the 830 (just to give you an idea how far back this goes) has only recently started showing issues. It still works fine, but it's SMART status reports that there aren't many NAND program/erase cycles left. This SSD was used for 11 years on a daily basis (first in my PC, when I upgraded I put it into my moms PC) and only now started showing issues but not outright failing/dropping dead. If these very early and somewhat crude SSDs (the PB22-J didn't even support TRIM until the very last firmware update) manage to last this long, I'm honestly not too worried about newer, more advanced ones with better wear leveling, provided we're talking big brands that produce things themselves like Samsung, Crucial, Intel, etc. and not the cheapo brands that just slap their name on products made by someone else and don't actually produce anything themselves (like Kingston, Adata, Corsair, etc.)
when you're old, you'll understand why i think you're a douchebag for giving up 100,000 writes for 10,000. you'll just buy the new OS. you'll just buy the new s/w. because you don't know the difference between the new s/w and someone who cared about what they were doing. enjoy your fast 10,000. live fast die young.
I have been using my 500GB Samsung 850 EVO I bought on April 17th, 2016 for a lot of video editing, countless hours of game recordings, and today (April 3rd, 2022, 2177 days after), the Samsung Magician reported 87.6 TB total bytes written (40.2GB/day usage rate), and the performance benchmark is still strong, at 542 MB/s sequential read, 519 MB/s sequential write, 84006 IOPS (random read), and 57979 IOPS (random write). Drive is currently at 80% full.
@@j.d.3269 Yes it is! it's currently not being used much though because I have built a new PC. Right now, it's sitting at 94680 GB written and 48501 hours. I just ran Crystal disk mark (default profile) and it showed Seq1MQ8T1 551/522, Seq1MQ1T1 522/502, RND4KQ32T1 209/186, RND4KQ1T1 28/91. I also reinstalled a fresh Windows 10 on it, and it boots just as fast as my newer m.2 nvme 980 Pro on my newer PC! I still love this old system (it's a 3570K) because of the SSD, it's the best upgrade I have bought for it, although it wasn't cheap at that time!
@@NeilRoy And HDD aren't guaranteed to fail? They are. Everything breaks. Entropy sux. HDDs have moving parts, use more electricity and heat up much more, get fragmented and are much, much slower than SSDs. Any PC that less than 5 years old and is still running an HDD as the boot drive is slowed considerable by that HDD. Its fast processor/processors are HDD-bound, waiting way too much for stuff to do because the disk is too slow.
All true. However, unless you are very technical in pcb/latency/electromagnetic ins and outs, this comes across as slightly over technical. Well covered. But whats the short version. Whats the ETA of SSD failure in a guesstimate ??
I accidentally click on this video and I am really impressed by the way he explains about the ssd life span, his voice, his look and even his hair cut :@
Funny i have 3 backups of all my data my mate tease me." You don't need that many copies" Has anyone ever heard someone say ? " I wish I didn't have so many copies of my data" Probably not.
3 backups is a good minimum I also recommend an off site backup if possible one only needs to look what happened to those poor people in Texas (Feb 2021) freezing temps then water pipes breaking plus power outs can wreak havoc on your computer and your data,,
So True. Then the question is asked.....have you ever lost anything? No! My only problem is keeping it organised. Accessible is one thing organised is something different. :)
Wish I knew about the free space thing 7 years ago. I bought 4 60GB SSDs back when they first came out for like $200 each. Put them in a RAID 0 and kept them 90% full. They died in a year and a half.
David Andersson Wred no need to be hostile. The comment was about 7 years ago. You should’ve made it clear that you were talking about the situation as of today.
He should also tell Amelia Erheart that she should have flown a leer jet instead of trying to fly that old propeller driven clunker...then she wouldn't have crashed! You see?!! All you have to do is travel to the future and get something better, and all your problems will be solved!
Mistake where he shows the green blocks of data being written to an SSD. Most SSDs take up less than half the space inside the metal enclosure. Watch more teardowns.
Some people just never grow up . . . and before anybody opens their mouth and tries to connect my RUclips name with immaturity, this just happens to *BE* my name. Just because certain people would rather make it into something dirty is THEIR problem, not mine.
Why couldn't I have had you as a teacher in school? You explain things in an easy to understand manner and in a not complicated way. And interestingly too!
you are a gift to the computer world, i remember stumbling upon your channel when raspberry pi cards were in the limelight, man im so glad i got to find a channel that actually cares and only want to teach
I bought my first SSD 10 years ago, its a Corsair 120GB SSD, I've used it first for SO, then for games, and now to download stuff. Not one single issue so far, still running perfectly and I assure you that I've used it almost every single day.
@@kidrauhlpop That is a concern. However, I did not pay attention to it on my M.2 drives. Based on my expected usage. I might be upgrading in in seven to ten years anyway. Sad, you would think longer life would be marking point. In the future. For longer term storage, 10 years not plugged in. I will buy enterprise drives. Yes, I do buy platter drives. For moderate term. However, SSDs are a bit more physically resilient. Especially for off site backups.
@Lord Purchase same here. I prefer longevity over speed because what's the sense of having something fast that will die on you when you can get something slightly slow that will certainly outlast it's rated life expectancy?
@@toussaintlouverture9666 - Moreover, the speed bottleneck may not even be the SSD but the pc's bus or other drives you're copying from/to (like SDcards, etc.). So for me lifetime is definitely more important than speed.
I work in a data center and SSD failure rate is on par with the mechanical counterparts. I also have been using SSD's on my personal computer for quite a long time, never having one fail on me, I consider them just as realiable as any other mechanical hard drive.
I have two failed since 2012. I have a few WD HDD which failed on me too (one losing a huge 3TB pirate haul of the finest movies ever made). But i also lost power supply units and memory parts, even lost ethernet controllers on the mainboard to voltage spikes on the landline (in Thailand not in Europe).
In my experience, HD quality and life expectancy can be loosely judged by the length of the warranty. In the old days you got a 5 year warranty because the drives were that good. I have such a HDD used as a backup, its more than 12 years old and still runs as new. When the companies began reducing the warranties, so went the life expectancy. Now its 1, 2 and 3 year warranties, 3 loosely representing the best you can buy, but also meaning to be ready to dump the drive right around that time. Its no surprise that Seagate is considered among the top and look, its got a 3 year warranty and a data recovery plan, too. To switch to SSD, i refuse to buy on short or no warranties, ive had too many flash cards fail in cameras and phones. Long warranty or forget it. Thats the measure of life expectancy as far as im concerned.
Crazy that it's not hard to get a PSU that is rated for 12 YEARS and DDR4 modules for limited LIFE warranties. Yet as you said you'll have a hard time finding a drive with a warranty that goes beyond those numbers. If not have TBW disclaimers. Just as car manufacturers saying 10 years warranty OR 100k miles...
@@ExplainingComputers I have my movie HDD (2TB WD from 2009) completely full many years and it's still working with no problem, maybe it's slower, I don't know, I don't need fast HDD for play some movie. But I had only 5 years old 3TB Seagate and it died, but it was not completely full.
@@Pidalin your WD is an outlier. If you have any data on it that’s truly important I suggest you back it up. On average a HDD will die within 3-5 years.
@@Arby631 It's only for movies, when it dies, it dies. I have backup of movies which are important for me (I have few movies where I puted our dubbing as another sound track so I don't want to lose that, but 90% of movies are not important or it's on netflix) I have new WD RED for important data and another new seagate for extra backup. HDDs are very reliable if you don't get bad series like it happened to me with seagate 3GB 5 years ago. Most of HDDs I had survived 10 or more years and I mostly damaged it with some mechanical hit to computer. BTW it's from 2010, not 2009, I remembered it not correctly.
I am not a fan of SSD at the moment. Yes it was faster and very reliable however my experience with a failure was catastrophic. Here is the problem. On a regular mechanical HD, when it starts to go bad, it begins marking sectors as bad and data is not store on that surface any longer. It gives me a little notice that the HD is starting to fail, pushing me to back up my data and make a plan to replace the HD as soon as possible. With my SSD drive, it worked perfectly one day, then the NEXT day it did not work at all. No notice, no clues or hints that it was about ready to fail. It just failed without notice :(
I think it's a good practice to only install OS on SSD. For other data we should keep it in HDD. I'll install SSD on my laptop as it is very slow and since SSD is very costly I'll just buy smaller size SSD to install windows on and for other data I'll use the HDD that was originally installed on laptop.
Practically what I'm doing right now as well. My PC has one SSD strictly for OS while HDD for data storage. My laptop has one SSD, partitioned for both OS and Data (hopefully it can last than my age lol). Due to the downside of SSD, I'm still using HDD as backup for my data.
I have an SSD in my PS4 for online gaming. Improves the load time drastically. PC.. not too bothered there has never been a time where during the 30-60 second boot up have I said "damn I wish this was faster" Most games I play on PC are large games and at the time the cost to GB ratio just made it an expensive option. 400GB SSD for £200+ 2TB HDD for
DON'T defragment SSDs either! They simply don't need defragmentation because they don't have spinning discs to read from, and doing so only causes more P/E cycles as the drive moves data around.
Agree, with a small "*". Defragmenting the file-system, not the files on an SSD is recommended, as fragmented file-system in itself will lower performance. Its only few GB in size to de-fragment normaly, so it doesn't wear much more then u do every day anyways, and u only need to do it after for ex a major reinstall (with lots of Windows updates), or once every 1-3 months, so its v small wear, for maximum performance. This is exactly what modern OS like Win 8/10 does automatically, and u can do it with 3:rd party software on Win 7/Vista/XP too.
Most ssd's "defrag" themself, it is not the same but something like that it actually helps lifespan. This video explains it pretty well: ruclips.net/video/J9OhVpwx6tA/видео.html
@@mikaelgaiason688 Bit of a myth, that. Any OS on a spinning disc will need defragging after enough time. You just don't have to do it quite as much in Linux. In either case, you shouldn't defrag on SSDs because of the whole random access thing. Making sure TRIM is working properly is important.
I wish I had seen this video a month ago; I spent 12+ hours researching SSD's in every variety. What bothered me most was that Samsung has chosen to "re-write" the terminology. I reasoned that I wanted at least MLC for a minimum, I wanted to avoid TLC. Samsung has decided to call their TLC SSD's "3MLC", never giving any reference to actual TLC drives. I ended up, after endless searching, buying a Samsung 1TB V-NAND SSD 970 PRO NVMe M.2. I am very glad to have found it. It is TRUE 2-bit MLC, with a 5-Year Limited Warranty or 1,200 TBW. Samsung sells this drive for $270, delivered; I found mine for $217, delivered.
As a professional in high tech, your video is an an _exceptionally_ well articulated summary of SSDs with just the right amount of detail. I came across this quite by accident (already know SSDs well). A couple of suggestions potentially for other videos (perhaps you have them already): 1) Comparison between SSDs and HDDs WRT reliability 2) Comparison between SSDs and HDDs WRT data recovery after failure (generally more difficult to recover off of SSDs) Lastly, the decision to choose between SSDs and HDDs also depends on use case (e.g., whether you travel a lot and the drive will be used for your laptop) vs. a drive that is largely used for backup on a machine that is not mobile. Again - great video!
after spending 20 years plus building and fixing computer systems and have been out of the loop due to farming and forestry life change, I now find myself in need of an upgrade and your excellent information and presentation has brought me up to speed...keep up the good work
Bro i use pdf reading, surfing and video editing on my laptop. My budget is very tight. I am getting kingston 120gb for 1599,240gb for 2399. What should I do? My hdd C drive has 88gb space used up.
I have a 6 year old ADATA SP550, it has been used and abused with gaming, large file transfers, and many hours of daily driving. MHDD report zero issues and read and write speeds are as advertised!
@@wileymonair How do you managed to use that long? I've bought a used one then the HDDSentinel came up with 9% health left with 655.4GB of lifetime writes. Mine's a TLC SSD. Can see that Windows is spitting out errors. Windows Store couldn't download apps even though I've reinstalled Windows 10 which is the latest 20H2 for ten times lol.
ExplainingComputers : Thank You Sir ! Your presentation regarding SSD (Solid State Drive) on their limited program/erase (P/E) cycles , the discussion on the life expectancy of SLC, eMLC , MLC , and TLC drives ! Plus you also cover ~ wear levelling , over provision , TBW (Terabytes written) , PWB (Petabytes written - Petabyte = 1,024 Terabytes ) , DWPD = drive writes per day (number of full SSD P/E every 24 hours) and most modern SSD's are able to withstand 100 Terabytes written or more , thereby lasting as long as the other parts for many years in an end-user PC ! *Yes , I now have learned how an SSD functions with the different terminology explained clearly ! Thanks Scarboro
Buying my SSD was the best thing i ever done. My three plus year laptop (I7, 16GB RAM) got a new lease on life when I upgraded to SSD (1TB), it really made the whole system blazing fast. In my opinion, definitely recommend switching to SSD, if you see your laptop/desktop becoming 'sluggish' after a few years.
ssd is unreliable to store valuable data, I lost a hard disk ssd 256 gb, however I think it is very useful to use it for booting computer system like windows 10 ...for me . i use a 120 gb for booting win 10 . and a normal "HDD 2.5 2 To" to store my data
Same here, Windows 10 installed on a Kingston 128 Gb SSD, and everything else is on 2 TB HDD. I will never trust an SSD so much to store data on them, it's good for the OS and softwares like Photoshop CC, Lightroom CC and etc. to install it cause you can easily redownload them by using the CC application a new install, but SSD's will never be something to store important data on them.
I dont know why there has been so many knockers for this highly informative, and well explained video on SSD drives. For a novice like myself, I learned a lot, a good video, ( even his pommy accent was quite ok, haha ) Thanks.
Life expectancy and speed: 1) I used to have four, 240 GB (OCZ brand) SATA SSDs in an old computer, in a RAID 0 (cost much less to have those four drives vs one 1 TB drive, back then). Anyway, I used those drives for 10 years, until I replaced the computer. Those four SSDs never wore out, and I still have them, collecting dust. 2) In April of this year (2021), I started doing Chia processing on four 2 TB, Samsung 980 Pro, M.2 SSDs. The Chia processing writes approximately 3 TB to 4 TB of data to each of those drives, daily. At the time of writing this comment (October 2021), all four of those drives are showing no signs of tiring. 3) I have a 2 TB Samsung T5, to which I write 3 to 4 TB of data each day. I have been doing this for months. The drive is showing no signs of tiring. 4) I briefly had a 2 TB Samsung T7, which sucked. It apparently used fast NAND fabric for something like its first 100 GB of writing, and then some crap NAND fabric for the rest. So when continuously writing hundreds of GBs (or a TB or two) of data to the T7, it would fly for the first 100 GB, and then slow down to sub USB 2.0 speed. When the T7 drive is idle (but connected to your PC), it will silently move the data from its super fast NAND cells to its super slow NAND cells. Thus, freeing up the fast NAND section of the drive for new write requests. As such, nearly all users will always have the fast NAND section of the drive available for use, and nearly all users will never experience the drive slowing down. If you run CrystalDiskMark or some other performance measuring tool, and leave it at the default values (something like 5 GB of data for the test), then the T7 will show amazing results. But change the values to 250 GB, and watch the results go down the toilet -- and be prepared to leave the test running for an eternity, because it will run for a very long time. Folks posting benchmark videos never really push the T7 with lots of data. So those videos always show the T7 as a top performer (because they are inadvertently testing only the ~5% fast sections of the T7. If you need the capacity that the Samsung T7 offers, and you will never write more than a few GB to it at a time, then you will have a super fast drive that never shows signs of slowness. But if you intend to write huge amounts of data to it, then look elsewhere. The T5, on the other hand, is half the speed of the T7 (the fast portion of the T7). But the T5 will never slow down, no matter how much data you write to it. And the T5 will flirt with 450 GB/s, if you can feed it at that speed, and you can fill the entire drive, without rest, at that speed. Try that with the T7, and it will choke. I returned my T7. Cheers!
A SSD can live for decades. That's if you never/rarely use it. There are write cycles that kills the SSD slowly. Depending on how full the SSD is, it might last 1 year. If the SSD is nearly empty and unlikely to be used, it might last 10+ years. You do the math on how long it lasts. Download CrystalDiskInfo and see how much you have writen already and google the expected life expectancy to check how long the SSD could live for.
A good article where SSD life expectancy was actually tested: techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead It shows that SSD's live extremely long.
True. I'm thinking about the Nintendo 64 where it had no moving parts so it lasted a very long time. Well, except for the controllers, where that analog stick started to wear down.
Great information! The way you explain all these technologies and jargons so clearly, it makes it so easy for layman users. Love watching all your videos
The built in pits in the substrate stretch and wear out from electron and atomic action and start erring. The more data Writes and reads the less accurate each read and write becomes. Solid state drives will fail during an EMP. Mechanical drives that have an aluminum case will survive.
Thanks explainingcomputers! Now I feel safe about my SSD. Remeber kids, don't do the unprotected SSD. Practice doing safe SSD. We all eventually get to a certain age/point in our life when we start learning about SSDs and naturally, we want to... You know, put our data in the SSD. I know what you're thinking. "Eww gross", but this is a completely normal and natural thing humans do. It's just a way of life. But sometimes, people rush and just want to put their data on any SSD. They go on, putting their data in bad SSDs and move from one bad SSD to another and its just a mess! It's okay to take your time. The right SSD will eventually come along. Do your research and find that special, long lasting SSD to put your data in. Practice safe protected SSD. You know what they say, "There are plenty of SSD in the ocean!"
I have Kingston hyperX fury SSD 120 gb, according to crystal disk info, i'm already writes 4,7 TB of data, but my SSD health is 99% healthy, so i still got almost 400 TB of writing before my SSD is failure (unless it's broken by other things like power failure, viruses, etc)
Another thing you can do to increase lifespan is in Windows to turn of hibernation file. Also with 16GB ram or above you could turn of the swapfile. I've done that on my rigs with 32GB, saves a ton of HDD/SSD writes.
Important point: SSDs "leak" over time (most consumer SSDs may only keep their data for a year or so on a shelf, though some enterprise versions may last 10 years or more). Therefore, SSDs should not be used for archive purposes, though if they are being used daily, the drive will keep the data intact by rewriting the fading memory.
Agreed. I still use Platter Drives for archiving data for long term. Life is always about trade-offs. I have a general rule that I partially or totally retire a drive after ten years. Unless it is designed to go the distance. Why, well most of my drives are platter. Mechanical failure is my primary concern. Even SSDs can fail. Even with COVID and Stagflation. Platter drives are still cheap. I try to buy laptop and cam drives. They are desgined for write cycles and endurances. If you buy typically three replacement drives over you life. Let us assume you start at 20. Well since most people are going to live to their mid seventies. Or if they are lucky 100 years. Calculating the relevant cost is easy. SSDs are safer to carry.
@@jamesedwards3923platter drives sucks. It needs a single drop on the floor and it's gone for good. SSD drives are better and doesn't need any motor and requires to be plugged in yearly to conserve data integrity. I have a silicon power 32 gb micro SD card class 4 made in China, that I bought in 2012, it's slow in terms of writes but after nearly 12 yrs of use, it still works, while In the meantime, I have a graveyard of HDD on which I spent a lot of money for nothing, while I should have taken the SSD route. My data are still intact
I am planning such an update -- but there are no fundamental changes to what is covered in this video. We now have QLC drives (eg Samsung QVO) with an even shorter lifespan per cell. But they are so high in capacity that this does not matter for most users.
@@ExplainingComputers You said that Intel was just releasing their 3D X Point drives. Not that long ago they announced they are pulling out of that.... I must admit I'd like you to explain that stuff and how it differs from nand flash memory used in SSDs.
Honestly this video had me really worried because I've been using a cheap SSD for windows for just under three years but then you talked about overprovisioning and I've been doing that just because I like having free space all this time, glad to know that my weird habits were actually in my benefit because I don't know what I'd do if my SSD died on me (I don't know how to recover windows and all of my lost data if that stuff dies with the SSD). Thank you for also explaining the different types and their expected P/E cycles, I gotta keep that in mind for the next time I go SSD shopping!
Rule number one - if you don't back up your drive will fail and you will loose all your data. If you do back up all your data, your drive will never fail. It is always better to back up all your data, and the really important stuff, back up to a 2nd drive or blu ray disc or something and put that in a separate location like a bank security box, in case you have a home fire, flood, tornado etc. And let someone else know where it is, incase you fall down the stairs and break your neck, or die in a car crash - oh I sound so all doom and gloom ! But you get the point, back up, back up, back up - and let someone know your passwords and where the back ups are - even if they find out after you are no longer living. I read a story once where a man died and his wife and children were cleaning out the basement and almost threw out a box of bonds worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. They thought the box was full of old papers and trash - no one knew he had bonds worth anything in that box. If he had included a letter to be opened upon his death spelling it out, that would have been smart. There is also stories on the web, of a family buying a house and finding a metal box in the basement rafters - full of cash... no one knew it was there. The story never said if they returned it to the previous owners or if that was even possible, but some of the money was very rare and worth a lot more than the nomination printed on the bills. Always better to be safe than sorry. I didn't mean to preach.
Same here. Samsung may fubar somethings, but their PRO SSDs is not one of them. Currently its 3x1TB 850 Pro + 2x 2TB 850 PRO and some 256GB 850/840 Pro. The amount of durability these drives have is just amazing.
give it 5 to 10 years it wont work any more. they don't make things last long any more like did they use to back in older days. i have very old Sony Reel to reel from 1972 it still works great today
When you look at The Tech Reports testing when the 840 pro was included in their SSD endurance test the drive may out live you if it has a normal everyday use. The 840 pro only died after writing 2.1 PB. My two year old 840 pro has written 12.28TB so if I get as lucky as The Techreport and the other components dont die I am good for another 344 years of writes. Even if I am unlucky and get a drive where the nand can only survive a quarter of the writes that The Tech Report`s drive did it is still another 86 years of writes.
You can put your data on SSD as well if you have the money to buy a large SSD. No problem at all. For instance if you record multitrack audio in a recording studio, you better record directly on SSD.
just a single sample report on one of your statements on durability/endurance; i have a 250gig samsung 960 M.2, running windows off it since the year this video was published. i installed HWiNFO64, it says the drive has nearly 91% remaining life, at 21TBW [out of a rating of 100TBW] to the drive. and now they have m.2's like a 970 evo plus at 500gb cost 90$, with a 300 TBW rating... ohh, and you can do stuff to extend the TBW burn rate, like move non-speed-critical win structures [like file history] and other programs you use to a deep storage drive. but at this rate, assuming the software logic is sane and accurate, i could potentially run the drive for over 2 decades easy; and i've only had one western digital drive last over 10 years before i got too scared to run it cause it was an era before S.M.A.R.T reporting. it beats that, i'd call it insanely durable.
You do not need lots of free space to increase life expectancy of the drive these days. Many people think the drive only uses empty space for wear leveling. This has been true in the past (and still is with simple flash based devices like USB sticks or memory cards) . But all modern SSD use 'static wear leveling'. That means at some point in time they will swap blocks that have been overwritten just a few times with blocks that have been overwritten more frequently. The result is a disk with evenly worn blocks even if most data never changes and the disk is very full. This is important because on normal PCs many files allmost never change (Windows system files, applications etc.) while other data changes constantly (browser history etc.). A memory card for a camera does not need such a sophisticated controller because there are no static files. You take photos, transfer them to the PC after the vacation and then wipe the card before you take new pictures. Empty space on the drive will improve performance when writing as the drive does not have to copy the contents of "empty" blocks when swapping them with others. There is still some effect on life expectancy because moving around data causes new write cycles, internally the drive has to write more data than the user does. This is called 'write amplification'. But in real life it doesn't make a huge difference. Its usually better to invest the money in some form of backup than in a SSD that is much larger than needed (large SSDs are still expensive!).
Why wipe SD card after copying image data to a computer? Use it as a backup. I have quite a few full SD cards. The 0.3 terabytes of data from them is backed up to two external hard disk drives.
with today's technology i would only use the SSD for the OS system . i save Nothing on my SSD that has any importance . all the rest goes on 4 TB western digital Red. i have a program on MB turn off the power to my storage drive. only turn it on if i need to
There are so many places where hard drive can fail. Such as the motor or the mechanical head that's broken (not a big issue to the actual data on the platter depending on the situation). But hard drives can also have dramatic failures if the hard drive's head is stuck on the platter. A hard drive that is drop can also shatter the platters in the disk. A hard drive cannot be move a lot like ssd while running because that runs the risk of the head hitting the disk platter, causing a unreadable sector. Hard drive are so bad compared to ssd. The only reason we still use them is because they are still a bit cheaper. But in a few years, ssd will take over. The only tear a ssd really gets over a lifetime is the write cycle. So if you have a bunch of movies on a ssd and you don't really write that often, you are using the ssd as flash memory (read only) and the ssd will last forever with this kind of use. Ssd are also cheaper to make on a large scale. Which is why they will dominate the world in a few years, rendering hard drives useless. We already have ssd that are 2 to 3 times larger than the biggest 14 tb hard drive thanks to 3d flash. And this is just the beginning of the advancements that we have made in ssd. There is much room left to get better at making ssd. However, i'm still amazed that hard drive work perfectly like they do today. The precision at which a hard drive has to operate at is crazy. Ssd are not that hard to understand. One could make a ssd on a pcb chip maker on their laptop. But hard drives are way more complicated. This is where i say "what a time to be alive"
Because they were built to last a very long time and not really be handled constantly or transferred over and over. I do not doubt that SSD will take over in the future, but the longevity of the HDD will forever be it's beauty.
@@Life-tastic Even so, I think that a vast majority of users will have no trouble with the longevity of SSD's. I have one in my Laptop since June 2017. I use the laptop almost daily, and so far, the SSD has 6,1 Terabytes written on it. Even if we assume a lifespan of "only" 70 TBW, it would take me 16 years to reach it. Of course I'm not gonna use that laptop for 16 years...I would be surprised if I still used it in 4 years. And that's just a cheap SSD, a Samsung 860 Evo (still a cheap SSD actually) has an expected lifespan of 1600 TBW.
ugh 2017 and Im just now getting this in my recommends, shame shame lousy algorithm... Seems to be some wear leveling and over provisioning going on in RUclips command center lol
My 60gb Intel from 2013 is still 100% health and it was used on a daily bassic. It just won't die lol, of course it was expensive at the time but seems to be great. Of course, 60gb is very small but since the rest of the pc is pretty junky, it's ok. Thanks for sharing this awesome info with us. Cheers :)
Aren't this the Intel SSD's with 5 year warranty ? Seriously everything below 5 years should be a shame and only +10 year old SSD's should be a reason to get excited. I find 5 years a very short time.
I have multiple SSD's, several 240Gb and one 1Tb SSD. I got the Crucial 1Tb when it was launched a few years ago and all these drives are working just fine even after years of hard use. I no longer use old hard disks other than in my 2 NAS systems, all my laptops and workstations run exclusively with SSD's. SSD's are a no brainer these days - get them and love them!
ciprianwiner If SSD after many years of normal use shows 100% life left, then that indicator doesn't seem that reliable to me because drive can't stay "new" condition forever.
My main computer built in 2011 has two 160GB Intel SSD's in Raid 0, and it is still working fine! This was overkill as I only really use them for my OS anyway, as I have a 7200rpm HDD for main storage. (at the time I thought I was going to get into PC gaming but I didn't, heck one of my crossfire'd 6970 graphics cards died so I just took it out and didn't replace it lol) On my consoles (PS4/XB1) I just bought a Sandisk Ultra ii at 960GB for each.......after seeing this video and doing some more research they'll last pretty much the rest of my life lol. (meaning they'll last until something larger and faster is affordable enough for me to just replace them)
Keep in mind that some Intel drives like the 335 series has an internal kill function that puts the drive into read only mode at 700TB(for the 240GB version) written regardless of the actual health of the drive.
I like this gentleman's presentations as they seem technically correct without going off the deep end. Some of his videos go pretty fast, so I slow them down with the playback rate setting since some important points whiz by without my fully comprehending. But then my poor aged brain seems to be running at a slower clock rate these days... LOL Been twiddling with homebrew computers since Altair but the changes just keep coming fast and furious - so it's nice to have someone lay out the latest greatest bit-wizardry in plain EE speak without the "fog" of marketing!
SSD Life Expectancy: Over a decade (Varies per use and purpose) Recommendation: Use SSD for you primary drive (C:) for faster boot times and work critical applications.
Try Space Silicon or Titanium Coating , or any other precious crystals or metals that can prevent the slow-burn wear-out of memory-cells , to increase the Pe cycles or SSD'S life by increasing the incandescent point level in temperature of the silicon materials in the SSD . Thus , mimicking the standard metal disk-drive memory disc for a long-lasting flow of electrons (leading to the after-burn effect ) which provides greater Pe cycles for a longer life SLC < eMLC < TLC < QLC (Toshiba)= Slow burn risk increase as data concentration also increase . The Wear-Levelling is preventing memory overflows and electronic burns is caused by the Wear-Out and the Coating will make Wear-Levelling much less of a concern just like Apples Heavy Black Goo Coated Chips for a denser electronic flows without burning : Thermodynamic Laws of Electric Flows .
Don't forget that mechanical hard drives used to fail also. I don't think SSD's are any worse than HDDs when it comes to durability. Stick with the 321 rule and you'll be right - it's so easy now with online backup, there is no excuse not to have an offsite copy of your por... I mean data.
Depends. There is old, reliable flash storage that still functions today in industrial environments. But when manufacturers started to go as low as possible with the price some sacrificed a bit too much quality for the price resulting in failing drives like the OCZ Vertex 2 But this also wasn't a new phenomenon. Maxtor went broke over it's failing mechanical drives and IBM's drives at one point got the nickname deathstar due to high fail rate.
Better don't count on that. Opening a drive that had a head crash in a clean room and reading it out using highly specialized equipment can easily cost as much as a car. "Amateur attempts" can kill the data ultimately. Think about that if it's really important. Backups are WAYYYY cheaper.
The smarter person will not rely on any one thing, but perhaps several avenues to accomplish one thing. When we're talking about important Data, EscapeMCP makes an excellent point/suggestion.
I'm at 8.33TB written onto a 240GB Intel 530 series (It's currently my OS drive, but I used it for less demanding purposes for about 6 months before I switched everything over to it) and it has been at least 90% full for almost a year now, and the Intel toolbox puts its "estimated life remaining" at 75-80%. I'm FAR more worried about it running out of space when I'm not looking and causing weird issues and crashes than it actually failing on me. I definitely need to upgrade though. It's getting really old to have to make sure everything saves to the other drives.
I used to use mine as an OS drive but then I bought a PCI-E NVME drive so now I use it as a secondary drive for torrenting as well as for editing video.
An interesting video you could make.... when I compared early SSD's to 15krpm scsi drives the scsi drives out performed. I saw the same with SAS hard drives and others saw the same with WD velociraptors. Both have now been out performed by SSD's but I still prefer keeping critical data on a HDD raid (I currently use WD reds in raid) and I use SSD's in raid for my OS and other software I use. I do not mind if they go down data wise as my critical data is still on a HDD raid and even if (touch wood) they went down, I still have the ability of data recovery. In a nut shell, SSD's give me performance and durability where as HDD's give me assurance and an assurance on reliability as you can often tell when a HDD is about to fail and even if it does there is a fair chance of recovering the data should it fail.
That is because the SATA interface is designed for the speed of HDDs, flash is capable of writing much faster due to the parallelizable write load. This allows for much faster write speeds which can be seen in the pcie interface NVMe standard.
I’m pretty sure the SMART monitoring on SSD drives will also alert you when the drive is nearing its end-of-life. HDDs have a habit of just dying suddenly without any warning, especially if suffering some kind of physical shock which damages the moving parts. SSDs would likely approach their death more slowly during which time you can replace it. Because of this I would consider SSDs a more reliable form of storage.
OMG Samsung 830 Series, my first SSD back in 2012, ah the nostalgia 🥹🤓 Still have it and working after 11 years (purchased on January)! And almost 25 TB data written 😄 For all people worrying about SSD writes, relax, you’ll die much sooner than your SSD lol in fact I SSDed everything from my main desktop PC to my PS4 😂 🔝 I’m a huge fan of SSDs
I definitely agree with what you said. I have an old Silicon power micro SD card from china that I bought in 2012 with my lg optimus l5 and guess what?? After 11 yrs , the same micro SD is still working, it's a bit slow (class 4 speed) but still works, now imagine how long SSD can last. I will sure probably pass away before seeing my SSD dying😂😂😂😂
They can still die from electronic defects. I've replaced probably over 50 laptop HD's with SSD's for customers. 2 were dead out of the package, and 2 failed after a few months. The rest are fine...so far! I bought my daughter a new Asus laptop (2-in-1, mid-grade, about $1000 new). After about 2 years, the internal Nvme (Intel or Western Digital, I think) died. She didn't use it super heavy, just average school use. I told her to shut it down right away after it froze, and send it to me. I was able to recover many of the files, but not all.
Based on your other videos, I was expecting you to also compare the SSD life expectancy to regular hard drive life expectancy. That would help put SSD's in context.
True. Was also expecting that, though the content is rich as is. I got a Verbatim portable drive two and a half years ago, that lasted about two years (the guarantee period) and I used it rarely for backups, and I was gentle with it... so a comparison would be pointless here😩
I got WD my passport ultra 1tb external HDD for backups 4 years ago. It is 3/4 full almost all the time and I use it quite often and it is still in very good shape. I scan it time to time with various software and they always show me that it's still has plenty of life :) I also would like to mention that I took it with me many times in my backpack and sometimes kept it there for many days in a row and that backpack were used as usual and still no damage to the HDD.
@@ArtemLokhovitskiy Im rocking a WD element 3TB that I got for 60 bucks and its perfect for my movies and the bulk of my games. I use my m.2 nvme for my OS and more taxing storage.
I still trust traditional Mechanical Hard Disk Drives more then SDD. I'm still using a 40GB (IDE) Seagate Baracude Hard Disk Drive from 2004 Lol and its still booting and running Windows 7. Not one bad sector and its power on time is 3155.9 days. Older Hard Disk Drives just last way longer. And I still have a 1GB Maxtor Hard Disk Drive in a old Pentium 1 machine and it still works. Cant say that about todays Drives. Its like the cars from the 60's. They just build better, build to last.
This man is a gent among gents and a great orator of all things tech. No loud music, no dancing graphics, just friendly sound advice. Thumbs up every time! Thank you, kind Sir!!!
i like this guy for the same reason. He is like a father giving friendly advice
Let me save you 8 minutes. 8:38
well , thanks...cheers..
the world needs more people like you
Thanks mate got board around 4mins and saw your comment and saved myself some time.
YOU ROCK!!!
Thanks
i don't know how but somehow your hairstyle adds to your credibility.
People who know a lot about hair, don't know anything about computers.
Proper geek hair that is
The slight lisp is full geek too... His geek game is very strong
@@fractalofgod6324 .He geeked me out i made a comment on the raspberry pi video he said it could replace a desk top pc. i said no it cant you can buy a quad core xeon that will run 24gb of ram and i bought a used hp z400 cheaper and he replied.. no you can't tottaly geeked me out. But he is wrong a raspberry pi can't run music production and video editing softwear it's a toy little computer.
@@MohsinExperiments ..with Music production and video editing you need alot of ram and cpu. but there so cheap if you know what to look for like the hpz400 you can put 6 core 3.20 ghz and there £25 used on ebay. A rasberr pi will be slow just to surf the internet even a android phone is faster.
8:38 - "over a decade", that's all I need to hear.
Thanks man! 🤣🙏🏼
SMART reports that the OCZ Vertex 3 in my 10 y.o. everyday system (total power-on hours of 4.02 years) still has a 'remaining life' of 98%. Sure, it's a boot disk, not a data disk, but I've done nothing fancy to minimise writes to it (e.g. redirect temp files elsewhere) and speed-wise it's still much faster, cooler and quieter than the (long since dead) WD black drive it replaced.
My very first SSD, a 2009 64GB Samsung PB22-J (badged as a Patriot Torqx M28) which was the predecessor of the Samsung 470, which in turn was the predecessor of the 830 (just to give you an idea how far back this goes) has only recently started showing issues. It still works fine, but it's SMART status reports that there aren't many NAND program/erase cycles left. This SSD was used for 11 years on a daily basis (first in my PC, when I upgraded I put it into my moms PC) and only now started showing issues but not outright failing/dropping dead. If these very early and somewhat crude SSDs (the PB22-J didn't even support TRIM until the very last firmware update) manage to last this long, I'm honestly not too worried about newer, more advanced ones with better wear leveling, provided we're talking big brands that produce things themselves like Samsung, Crucial, Intel, etc. and not the cheapo brands that just slap their name on products made by someone else and don't actually produce anything themselves (like Kingston, Adata, Corsair, etc.)
I've surpassed the 10 yr mark.
8 years and counting.
Bill Gates had a yt channel??
😂
came for the SSD explanation - stayed for the Haircut :D
Ok... I LOL'd hard on that one.
He's like Steve Davis' attractive brother
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That's a mighty fine haircut, though...
This man lives today but is actually alive in the 70s
Main advantage is speed. Cut waiting time. The older you are the more you need it. Life is short.
lol
Life itself kinda works like an SSD when we apply same logic onto space-time.
Smart
when you're old, you'll understand why i think you're a douchebag for giving up 100,000 writes for 10,000.
you'll just buy the new OS. you'll just buy the new s/w.
because you don't know the difference between the new s/w and someone who cared about what they were doing.
enjoy your fast 10,000. live fast die young.
@@atomictraveller What? the phrase "live fast die young" is to encourage people to take risk because tomorrow is not guaranteed.
I have been using my 500GB Samsung 850 EVO I bought on April 17th, 2016 for a lot of video editing, countless hours of game recordings, and today (April 3rd, 2022, 2177 days after), the Samsung Magician reported 87.6 TB total bytes written (40.2GB/day usage rate), and the performance benchmark is still strong, at 542 MB/s sequential read, 519 MB/s sequential write, 84006 IOPS (random read), and 57979 IOPS (random write). Drive is currently at 80% full.
I considered buying the 850 and 950 serioues. Almost a decade and still no fail warings.
Still going strong?
How many power on hours now?
@@j.d.3269 Yes it is! it's currently not being used much though because I have built a new PC.
Right now, it's sitting at 94680 GB written and 48501 hours.
I just ran Crystal disk mark (default profile) and it showed Seq1MQ8T1 551/522, Seq1MQ1T1 522/502, RND4KQ32T1 209/186, RND4KQ1T1 28/91.
I also reinstalled a fresh Windows 10 on it, and it boots just as fast as my newer m.2 nvme 980 Pro on my newer PC!
I still love this old system (it's a 3570K) because of the SSD, it's the best upgrade I have bought for it, although it wasn't cheap at that time!
Hard to believe that this video was recorded in the early '80s.
:)
Why don't you make a technical video and post it on RUclips? Be sure to post a link....so I can read all the berated responses to your efforts....
uuu... someone can't take jokes, time to visit terapeutist ;)
It's like something off BBC2 !
@@Harp00nX It's that 8-bit theme music and analog sound effects!
Golden rule #1: backup your data, nothing is fail proof
The 3-2-1 Backup rule remains the most wise: ruclips.net/video/rFO6NyLIP7M/видео.html :)
Yep.. and backup stuff more than just once. Maybe even 3 or times.
Agree, but with SSDs, what bothers me about them is that they are guaranteed to fail. Sticking to my beloved HDD, only ever lost 1 in my life.
Probably right.
@@NeilRoy And HDD aren't guaranteed to fail? They are. Everything breaks. Entropy sux.
HDDs have moving parts, use more electricity and heat up much more, get fragmented and are much, much slower than SSDs.
Any PC that less than 5 years old and is still running an HDD as the boot drive is slowed considerable by that HDD. Its fast processor/processors are HDD-bound, waiting way too much for stuff to do because the disk is too slow.
All information, clear, unambiguous, no crap
Exactly my words
and we are like a kid in philosophy lesson....!
AKA the hallmark of genius
All true. However, unless you are very technical in pcb/latency/electromagnetic ins and outs, this comes across as slightly over technical. Well covered. But whats the short version. Whats the ETA of SSD failure in a guesstimate ??
@@scottharvey-davies1607 the simple answer is - all will be suitable unless you are into very heavy useage in which case it suddenly becomes important
It’s like watching the bbc’s education series from the 70’s, when they had decent presenters and topics. Great video.
I noticed you copied my style
the voice feels like I am watching a 90s computer hardware show :) Nice videos btw :) I just clicked the subscribe button :)
Welcome aboard! :)
yeah he sounds like the way Carol Vorderman speaks. Spooky :o
I loved old school lecture :)
He should be in those 80s how to connect you BBC micro to the bulletin board programms.
And full of geeky terms just like the 90's
I accidentally click on this video and I am really impressed by the way he explains about the ssd life span, his voice, his look and even his hair cut :@
so classic yet presentable and clear
Dude is brittish, ofcourse its gonna be exemplary.
Looks like he could almost be stand in for the Beatles if they were still living 😂😂
I'm getting 70's open university vibes!
840 Evo 120 GB still working after 4 years :)
Good to know. Great drives the Samsung 840s -- Evo or Pro.
My 128gb samsung 830 is still working after 3,5years and my pc is on 24/7
The same here for the 512GB pro version, Magician says drive condition is GOOD after a total of 20TB written.
840 Evo were actually the worst, they have a "read performance bug" that can't get fixed with new firmware.
Samsung pm810 256 - 7 years old 24/7 operation. Still going strong and reports 87% healthy.
Funny i have 3 backups of all my data my mate tease me." You don't need that many copies" Has anyone ever heard someone say ? " I wish I didn't have so many copies of my data" Probably not.
Even at work and school, having backup of everything is important because anything can happend to your info
3 backups is a good minimum I also recommend an off site backup if possible one only needs to look what happened to those poor people in Texas (Feb 2021) freezing temps then water pipes breaking plus power outs can wreak havoc on your computer and your data,,
A file that isn't in 3 places doesn't exist
So True. Then the question is asked.....have you ever lost anything? No!
My only problem is keeping it organised. Accessible is one thing organised is something different. :)
Wish I knew about the free space thing 7 years ago. I bought 4 60GB SSDs back when they first came out for like $200 each. Put them in a RAID 0 and kept them 90% full. They died in a year and a half.
David Andersson Wred 7 years ago? For that price? Don’t think so..
David Andersson Wred no need to be hostile. The comment was about 7 years ago. You should’ve made it clear that you were talking about the situation as of today.
David Andersson Wred idiot
He should also tell Amelia Erheart that she should have flown a leer jet instead of trying to fly that old propeller driven clunker...then she wouldn't have crashed! You see?!! All you have to do is travel to the future and get something better, and all your problems will be solved!
David Andersson Wred apparently not. Seeing the amount of likes I got on my comments clearly indicate that more people agree with me.
Have a nice day
Lovely informative video as always, Chris! You're good at what you do, keep at it! :)
Oop, one thing! Typo @ 3:03!
Many thanks. :)
Mistake where he shows the green blocks of data being written to an SSD. Most SSDs take up less than half the space inside the metal enclosure. Watch more teardowns.
That was an analogy for how "wear leveling" evens out flash cell use. Not for what is inside the enclosure.
ExplainingComputers to start my Sunday morning? sounds like a good deal to me!
Excellent. :)
Agreed. Christopher, Thank you for making such excellent videos! Your presentation methodology and technique is very appealing and enjoyable!
Seriously?
Some people just never grow up . . . and before anybody opens their mouth and tries to connect my RUclips name with immaturity, this just happens to *BE* my name. Just because certain people would rather make it into something dirty is THEIR problem, not mine.
Um, ok. Where did that come from? I don't see the problem with your name.
Why couldn't I have had you as a teacher in school? You explain things in an easy to understand manner and in a not complicated way. And interestingly too!
I've had my STD for almost 10 years now.
There are antibiotics for that, you know . . .
See a specialist. I will pray for your recovery
Cryosurgery can help, occasionally. :-)
That's how NOT to use your stick.
@oåooåo ipip
- These things don't get better by themselves.
you are a gift to the computer world, i remember stumbling upon your channel when raspberry pi cards were in the limelight, man im so glad i got to find a channel that actually cares and only want to teach
John Lennon exlains computers?
you've got my sub
Excellent! Welcome aboard. :)
ExplainingComputers Let it be... Let it be...
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Omg 😂 such accurate comment
First time on this channel and I was about to comment the same thing!!! Hahaha!!!
I bought my first SSD 10 years ago, its a Corsair 120GB SSD, I've used it first for SO, then for games, and now to download stuff. Not one single issue so far, still running perfectly and I assure you that I've used it almost every single day.
beacuse it uses an old memory technology (SLC or MLC). Pros: More lifetime. Cons: Low write/read speeds vs actual ssd.
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@@kidrauhlpop That is a concern. However, I did not pay attention to it on my M.2 drives. Based on my expected usage. I might be upgrading in in seven to ten years anyway.
Sad, you would think longer life would be marking point.
In the future. For longer term storage, 10 years not plugged in. I will buy enterprise drives. Yes, I do buy platter drives. For moderate term. However, SSDs are a bit more physically resilient. Especially for off site backups.
@Lord Purchase same here. I prefer longevity over speed because what's the sense of having something fast that will die on you when you can get something slightly slow that will certainly outlast it's rated life expectancy?
@@toussaintlouverture9666 - Moreover, the speed bottleneck may not even be the SSD but the pc's bus or other drives you're copying from/to (like SDcards, etc.). So for me lifetime is definitely more important than speed.
The structure, pacing, and level of detail in this video are spot on. Thank you! Other RUclipsrs, take heed.
YY & clear diction. Nothing like English spoken clearly without drama inflections etc.
nice
I work in a data center and SSD failure rate is on par with the mechanical counterparts. I also have been using SSD's on my personal computer for quite a long time, never having one fail on me, I consider them just as realiable as any other mechanical hard drive.
Fernando Kreutz But a data center would be writing data wayyyyyy more than a general user would
rin weeb that's why he's talking about the mechanical counterparts, I assume he means of the ones used in the datacenter.
Yes, but the SSD drives used in data centers are not the same type used at home (as reported in this video).
Mine died pretty fast for unknown reasons.
I have two failed since 2012. I have a few WD HDD which failed on me too (one losing a huge 3TB pirate haul of the finest movies ever made). But i also lost power supply units and memory parts, even lost ethernet controllers on the mainboard to voltage spikes on the landline (in Thailand not in Europe).
In my experience, HD quality and life expectancy can be loosely judged by the length of the warranty. In the old days you got a 5 year warranty because the drives were that good. I have such a HDD used as a backup, its more than 12 years old and still runs as new. When the companies began reducing the warranties, so went the life expectancy. Now its 1, 2 and 3 year warranties, 3 loosely representing the best you can buy, but also meaning to be ready to dump the drive right around that time. Its no surprise that Seagate is considered among the top and look, its got a 3 year warranty and a data recovery plan, too. To switch to SSD, i refuse to buy on short or no warranties, ive had too many flash cards fail in cameras and phones. Long warranty or forget it. Thats the measure of life expectancy as far as im concerned.
Crazy that it's not hard to get a PSU that is rated for 12 YEARS and DDR4 modules for limited LIFE warranties. Yet as you said you'll have a hard time finding a drive with a warranty that goes beyond those numbers. If not have TBW disclaimers. Just as car manufacturers saying 10 years warranty OR 100k miles...
Is it also recommended to leave 10% of a drive free with external HD?
It is not necessary with a HDD, although HDDs that are very full will get slower. But life expectancy will not be reduced.
Defragmenting needs free space and without defragmenting the HDD will become slow (even more slow should I say).
@@ExplainingComputers I have my movie HDD (2TB WD from 2009) completely full many years and it's still working with no problem, maybe it's slower, I don't know, I don't need fast HDD for play some movie. But I had only 5 years old 3TB Seagate and it died, but it was not completely full.
@@Pidalin your WD is an outlier. If you have any data on it that’s truly important I suggest you back it up. On average a HDD will die within 3-5 years.
@@Arby631 It's only for movies, when it dies, it dies. I have backup of movies which are important for me (I have few movies where I puted our dubbing as another sound track so I don't want to lose that, but 90% of movies are not important or it's on netflix) I have new WD RED for important data and another new seagate for extra backup. HDDs are very reliable if you don't get bad series like it happened to me with seagate 3GB 5 years ago. Most of HDDs I had survived 10 or more years and I mostly damaged it with some mechanical hit to computer.
BTW it's from 2010, not 2009, I remembered it not correctly.
I am not a fan of SSD at the moment. Yes it was faster and very reliable however my experience with a failure was catastrophic. Here is the problem. On a regular mechanical HD, when it starts to go bad, it begins marking sectors as bad and data is not store on that surface any longer. It gives me a little notice that the HD is starting to fail, pushing me to back up my data and make a plan to replace the HD as soon as possible. With my SSD drive, it worked perfectly one day, then the NEXT day it did not work at all. No notice, no clues or hints that it was about ready to fail. It just failed without notice :(
All that's missing are 80's sound effects.
Another subscriber (Y) you're like the 80's British version of Linus. (Y)
Thanks for the sub! :)
You know he knows his stuff because he has a British accent
TheRandomguy06 indeed
Jozsef Alfaro Rule Britania....I say
TheRandomguy06 Indeed 😸
British accent makes you smarter huh? Makes sense.
Imma work on my British accent, mate.
Funny. I really thought I was going to be the first one to say that lol
I think it's a good practice to only install OS on SSD. For other data we should keep it in HDD. I'll install SSD on my laptop as it is very slow and since SSD is very costly I'll just buy smaller size SSD to install windows on and for other data I'll use the HDD that was originally installed on laptop.
Practically what I'm doing right now as well. My PC has one SSD strictly for OS while HDD for data storage. My laptop has one SSD, partitioned for both OS and Data (hopefully it can last than my age lol). Due to the downside of SSD, I'm still using HDD as backup for my data.
i swear god.. buying my SSD was the best thing i ever done.. just do it.. buy it.. and believe me.. you will never gonna regret it
Agreed!
Until it fails! Haha!
Yep. System on SSD for loading speed, and data on RAID 1 HDDs for redundancy.
I have an SSD in my PS4 for online gaming. Improves the load time drastically.
PC.. not too bothered there has never been a time where during the 30-60 second boot up have I said "damn I wish this was faster"
Most games I play on PC are large games and at the time the cost to GB ratio just made it an expensive option.
400GB SSD for £200+
2TB HDD for
ABD KH *to god exactly.
DON'T defragment SSDs either! They simply don't need defragmentation because they don't have spinning discs to read from, and doing so only causes more P/E cycles as the drive moves data around.
Agree, with a small "*".
Defragmenting the file-system, not the files on an SSD is recommended, as fragmented file-system in itself will lower performance.
Its only few GB in size to de-fragment normaly, so it doesn't wear much more then u do every day anyways, and u only need to do it after for ex a major reinstall (with lots of Windows updates), or once every 1-3 months, so its v small wear, for maximum performance.
This is exactly what modern OS like Win 8/10 does automatically, and u can do it with 3:rd party software on Win 7/Vista/XP too.
Most ssd's "defrag" themself, it is not the same but something like that it actually helps lifespan.
This video explains it pretty well: ruclips.net/video/J9OhVpwx6tA/видео.html
Linux doesn't ever need defragged. Ever.
@@mikaelgaiason688 Bit of a myth, that. Any OS on a spinning disc will need defragging after enough time. You just don't have to do it quite as much in Linux.
In either case, you shouldn't defrag on SSDs because of the whole random access thing. Making sure TRIM is working properly is important.
@@jesuszamora6949 Sorry, but no. Linux uses a totally different file system. It's not a myth, it's a natural result of an intelligent design.
I wish I had seen this video a month ago; I spent 12+ hours researching SSD's in every variety. What bothered me most was that Samsung has chosen to "re-write" the terminology. I reasoned that I wanted at least MLC for a minimum, I wanted to avoid TLC. Samsung has decided to call their TLC SSD's "3MLC", never giving any reference to actual TLC drives. I ended up, after endless searching, buying a Samsung 1TB V-NAND SSD 970 PRO NVMe M.2. I am very glad to have found it. It is TRUE 2-bit MLC, with a 5-Year Limited Warranty or 1,200 TBW. Samsung sells this drive for $270, delivered; I found mine for $217, delivered.
As a professional in high tech, your video is an an _exceptionally_ well articulated summary of SSDs with just the right amount of detail. I came across this quite by accident (already know SSDs well). A couple of suggestions potentially for other videos (perhaps you have them already):
1) Comparison between SSDs and HDDs WRT reliability
2) Comparison between SSDs and HDDs WRT data recovery after failure (generally more difficult to recover off of SSDs)
Lastly, the decision to choose between SSDs and HDDs also depends on use case (e.g., whether you travel a lot and the drive will be used for your laptop) vs. a drive that is largely used for backup on a machine that is not mobile.
Again - great video!
Thanks for this. Ideas noted!
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@@ExplainingComputerswhat tbw of ssd u have and do u ever write lots of gigabytes when editing in the ssd?
A standard SSD bought after 2018 will outlast your entire PC...
As said in the video... Don't panic...
Love your videos :-) you have a fantastic voice and a great way of explaining things to make it easy to understand :-)
Many thanks.
Your presentation can seem a bit tongue in cheek, like any second you are going to burst out laughing and say 'fooled you!'
I second that.. b(^_^)... most tend to get carried away with themselves and get for too technical.. this guy would be a superb lecturer!!
MrSnowdog73 he is in the Beatles band I think
And his “doo” is pretty skippy too!
Very Educational! Learned more here in less than 10 mins than a evening's worth of video and googling... Thanks! More Power to you , keep it up!
Leon O But this was a video :|
Now i know where is Prince Adam after he defend the realm of Eternia and the secrets of Castle Grayskull! I must report it to master Skeletor!
It sounds like you are talking about He-Man. I love that show.
Had the surreal feeling i was watching about SSDs before the new millenium. xD
after spending 20 years plus building and fixing computer systems and have been out of the loop due to farming and forestry life change, I now find myself in need of an upgrade and your excellent information and presentation has brought me up to speed...keep up the good work
I watched this 3 years ago, my drive is still alive!
Bro i use pdf reading, surfing and video editing on my laptop. My budget is very tight. I am getting kingston 120gb for 1599,240gb for 2399. What should I do?
My hdd C drive has 88gb space used up.
@@souravde970 240 GB will have more P/E cycles, as mentioned in the video and thus last longer if you leave 10-20% of space unconsumed.
6 years old usage, zero problems, love the SSD
I have a 6 year old ADATA SP550, it has been used and abused with gaming, large file transfers, and many hours of daily driving.
MHDD report zero issues and read and write speeds are as advertised!
Noice
@@wileymonair How do you managed to use that long? I've bought a used one then the HDDSentinel came up with 9% health left with 655.4GB of lifetime writes. Mine's a TLC SSD. Can see that Windows is spitting out errors. Windows Store couldn't download apps even though I've reinstalled Windows 10 which is the latest 20H2 for ten times lol.
@@NextGeneration9501 what ssd? how many TBW it has on the first bought? how many GigaBytes you written on one day average? how long has been used?
@@NextGeneration9501 Might be a windows issue. Other utilities that check SSD's would be designed for SSD's, not hard disk drives (HDD).
Nice, real information and not a load of usual 'toober blather ! I had not thought much about the benefits of keeping space for wear leveling,
ExplainingComputers : Thank You Sir ! Your presentation regarding SSD (Solid State Drive) on their limited program/erase (P/E) cycles , the discussion on the life expectancy of SLC, eMLC , MLC , and TLC drives ! Plus you also cover ~ wear levelling , over provision , TBW (Terabytes written) , PWB (Petabytes written - Petabyte = 1,024 Terabytes ) , DWPD = drive writes per day (number of full SSD P/E every 24 hours) and most modern SSD's are able to withstand 100 Terabytes written or more , thereby lasting as long as the other parts for many years in an end-user PC ! *Yes , I now have learned how an SSD functions with the different terminology explained clearly ! Thanks Scarboro
An update with to this video would be very interesting if you have the time. I assume SSDs have progressed quite a bit in the last 5 years.
Yes, things have indeed evolved in the world of SSDs. My last video on the subject is from 2020 here: ruclips.net/video/EXLfErPEYiw/видео.html
Buying my SSD was the best thing i ever done. My three plus year laptop (I7, 16GB RAM) got a new lease on life when I upgraded to SSD (1TB), it really made the whole system blazing fast. In my opinion, definitely recommend switching to SSD, if you see your laptop/desktop becoming 'sluggish' after a few years.
Aye..replacing an old, sluggish hard drive with an SSD usually does speed things up a bit..I’d be extremely disappointed if it didn’t..lol
In my experience, motherboard and GPU board failures are a bigger worry, and cost problem..I believe the industry does this intentionally.
ssd is unreliable to store valuable data, I lost a hard disk ssd 256 gb, however I think it is very useful to use it for booting computer system like windows 10 ...for me . i use a 120 gb for booting win 10 . and a normal "HDD 2.5 2 To" to store my data
Same here, Windows 10 installed on a Kingston 128 Gb SSD, and everything else is on 2 TB HDD. I will never trust an SSD so much to store data on them, it's good for the OS and softwares like Photoshop CC, Lightroom CC and etc. to install it cause you can easily redownload them by using the CC application a new install, but SSD's will never be something to store important data on them.
I bought Apacer AST280 240GB 4 years ago and it is still doing great at 97% health, just past 15 TBW.
watching this video with both my SSDs at 98% full 👀
I dont know why there has been so many knockers for this highly informative, and well explained video on SSD drives.
For a novice like myself, I learned a lot, a good video, ( even his pommy accent was quite ok, haha ) Thanks.
Life expectancy and speed:
1) I used to have four, 240 GB (OCZ brand) SATA SSDs in an old computer, in a RAID 0 (cost much less to have those four drives vs one 1 TB drive, back then). Anyway, I used those drives for 10 years, until I replaced the computer. Those four SSDs never wore out, and I still have them, collecting dust.
2) In April of this year (2021), I started doing Chia processing on four 2 TB, Samsung 980 Pro, M.2 SSDs. The Chia processing writes approximately 3 TB to 4 TB of data to each of those drives, daily. At the time of writing this comment (October 2021), all four of those drives are showing no signs of tiring.
3) I have a 2 TB Samsung T5, to which I write 3 to 4 TB of data each day. I have been doing this for months. The drive is showing no signs of tiring.
4) I briefly had a 2 TB Samsung T7, which sucked. It apparently used fast NAND fabric for something like its first 100 GB of writing, and then some crap NAND fabric for the rest. So when continuously writing hundreds of GBs (or a TB or two) of data to the T7, it would fly for the first 100 GB, and then slow down to sub USB 2.0 speed.
When the T7 drive is idle (but connected to your PC), it will silently move the data from its super fast NAND cells to its super slow NAND cells. Thus, freeing up the fast NAND section of the drive for new write requests. As such, nearly all users will always have the fast NAND section of the drive available for use, and nearly all users will never experience the drive slowing down.
If you run CrystalDiskMark or some other performance measuring tool, and leave it at the default values (something like 5 GB of data for the test), then the T7 will show amazing results.
But change the values to 250 GB, and watch the results go down the toilet -- and be prepared to leave the test running for an eternity, because it will run for a very long time.
Folks posting benchmark videos never really push the T7 with lots of data. So those videos always show the T7 as a top performer (because they are inadvertently testing only the ~5% fast sections of the T7.
If you need the capacity that the Samsung T7 offers, and you will never write more than a few GB to it at a time, then you will have a super fast drive that never shows signs of slowness.
But if you intend to write huge amounts of data to it, then look elsewhere. The T5, on the other hand, is half the speed of the T7 (the fast portion of the T7). But the T5 will never slow down, no matter how much data you write to it. And the T5 will flirt with 450 GB/s, if you can feed it at that speed, and you can fill the entire drive, without rest, at that speed. Try that with the T7, and it will choke. I returned my T7.
Cheers!
A SSD can live for decades. That's if you never/rarely use it. There are write cycles that kills the SSD slowly. Depending on how full the SSD is, it might last 1 year. If the SSD is nearly empty and unlikely to be used, it might last 10+ years. You do the math on how long it lasts. Download CrystalDiskInfo and see how much you have writen already and google the expected life expectancy to check how long the SSD could live for.
A good article where SSD life expectancy was actually tested:
techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
It shows that SSD's live extremely long.
Thanks for the link. Very educational :)
Man, I'm disappointed by this. I thought that, since they had no moving parts, they would last FOREVER.
True. I'm thinking about the Nintendo 64 where it had no moving parts so it lasted a very long time. Well, except for the controllers, where that analog stick started to wear down.
@Crood I thought flash drives would last forever too.
He sounds like he could be James Acaster's dad, both have similar speech patterns
Bought an ultra expensive SLC usb stick to be able to write it 100,000 times. Lost the stick after 2 month. 😝
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Great information! The way you explain all these technologies and jargons so clearly, it makes it so easy for layman users. Love watching all your videos
How wonderful to hear information from someone who is actually old enough to know what the H--- they are talking about! Regards sir!
Thanks. :)
I take it somebody has never heard of buildzoid over at actually hardcore overclocking.
The built in pits in the substrate stretch and wear out from electron and atomic action and start erring. The more data Writes and reads the less accurate each read and write becomes. Solid state drives will fail during an EMP. Mechanical drives that have an aluminum case will survive.
Yes, still Hard Drives are fine for archiving. SSD is for speed.
It was like my childhood hero He-Man explaining me SSD just how i like it!!
Thanks explainingcomputers! Now I feel safe about my SSD. Remeber kids, don't do the unprotected SSD. Practice doing safe SSD. We all eventually get to a certain age/point in our life when we start learning about SSDs and naturally, we want to... You know, put our data in the SSD. I know what you're thinking. "Eww gross", but this is a completely normal and natural thing humans do. It's just a way of life. But sometimes, people rush and just want to put their data on any SSD. They go on, putting their data in bad SSDs and move from one bad SSD to another and its just a mess! It's okay to take your time. The right SSD will eventually come along. Do your research and find that special, long lasting SSD to put your data in. Practice safe protected SSD.
You know what they say, "There are plenty of SSD in the ocean!"
I have Kingston hyperX fury SSD 120 gb, according to crystal disk info, i'm already writes 4,7 TB of data, but my SSD health is 99% healthy, so i still got almost 400 TB of writing before my SSD is failure (unless it's broken by other things like power failure, viruses, etc)
Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB here and 15 TB. I had the SSD for some years now and it still works fine.
Another thing you can do to increase lifespan is in Windows to turn of hibernation file. Also with 16GB ram or above you could turn of the swapfile. I've done that on my rigs with 32GB, saves a ton of HDD/SSD writes.
Important point: SSDs "leak" over time (most consumer SSDs may only keep their data for a year or so on a shelf, though some enterprise versions may last 10 years or more). Therefore, SSDs should not be used for archive purposes, though if they are being used daily, the drive will keep the data intact by rewriting the fading memory.
Absolutely correct! :) Though note that data refresh is achieved via a read for an SSD (only HDDs need a rewrite).
Agreed. I still use Platter Drives for archiving data for long term.
Life is always about trade-offs.
I have a general rule that I partially or totally retire a drive after ten years. Unless it is designed to go the distance. Why, well most of my drives are platter. Mechanical failure is my primary concern. Even SSDs can fail.
Even with COVID and Stagflation. Platter drives are still cheap. I try to buy laptop and cam drives. They are desgined for write cycles and endurances.
If you buy typically three replacement drives over you life. Let us assume you start at 20. Well since most people are going to live to their mid seventies. Or if they are lucky 100 years. Calculating the relevant cost is easy.
SSDs are safer to carry.
@@jamesedwards3923platter drives sucks. It needs a single drop on the floor and it's gone for good. SSD drives are better and doesn't need any motor and requires to be plugged in yearly to conserve data integrity.
I have a silicon power 32 gb micro SD card class 4 made in China, that I bought in 2012, it's slow in terms of writes but after nearly 12 yrs of use, it still works, while In the meantime, I have a graveyard of HDD on which I spent a lot of money for nothing, while I should have taken the SSD route. My data are still intact
It would be nice to see an update of this to see how accurate the expectations were.
I am planning such an update -- but there are no fundamental changes to what is covered in this video. We now have QLC drives (eg Samsung QVO) with an even shorter lifespan per cell. But they are so high in capacity that this does not matter for most users.
@@ExplainingComputers
You said that Intel was just releasing their 3D X Point drives. Not that long ago they announced they are pulling out of that....
I must admit I'd like you to explain that stuff and how it differs from nand flash memory used in SSDs.
Hard to believe that this man still checks the comments in a 6 years video 😊
I do!
150 TBW means at least 5 years of 40 GB daily R/W usage. That's why most SSD has a 5 years warranty.
what about 12PBW enterprise eMLC 400gb ssd, how long could that theoretically last?!
Honestly this video had me really worried because I've been using a cheap SSD for windows for just under three years but then you talked about overprovisioning and I've been doing that just because I like having free space all this time, glad to know that my weird habits were actually in my benefit because I don't know what I'd do if my SSD died on me (I don't know how to recover windows and all of my lost data if that stuff dies with the SSD). Thank you for also explaining the different types and their expected P/E cycles, I gotta keep that in mind for the next time I go SSD shopping!
Rule number one - if you don't back up your drive will fail and you will loose all your data. If you do back up all your data, your drive will never fail. It is always better to back up all your data, and the really important stuff, back up to a 2nd drive or blu ray disc or something and put that in a separate location like a bank security box, in case you have a home fire, flood, tornado etc. And let someone else know where it is, incase you fall down the stairs and break your neck, or die in a car crash - oh I sound so all doom and gloom ! But you get the point, back up, back up, back up - and let someone know your passwords and where the back ups are - even if they find out after you are no longer living. I read a story once where a man died and his wife and children were cleaning out the basement and almost threw out a box of bonds worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. They thought the box was full of old papers and trash - no one knew he had bonds worth anything in that box. If he had included a letter to be opened upon his death spelling it out, that would have been smart. There is also stories on the web, of a family buying a house and finding a metal box in the basement rafters - full of cash... no one knew it was there. The story never said if they returned it to the previous owners or if that was even possible, but some of the money was very rare and worth a lot more than the nomination printed on the bills. Always better to be safe than sorry. I didn't mean to preach.
@@kfl611 You didn't mean to preach, yet you did. Thanks for the information, it was an interesting read!
I purchased Samsung SSD pro 840 at the end of 2013 and Its 2017 still chugging along. In Samsung Pro i trust.
Yes, I also trust in Samsung Pro. :)
Same here. Samsung may fubar somethings, but their PRO SSDs is not one of them.
Currently its 3x1TB 850 Pro + 2x 2TB 850 PRO and some 256GB 850/840 Pro.
The amount of durability these drives have is just amazing.
I've got a Samsung 840 250g and Samsung 850 500g.
The 500g lets you utilize 1G of ram to make them run a bit faster.
give it 5 to 10 years it wont work any more. they don't make things last long any more like did they use to back in older days. i have very old Sony Reel to reel from 1972 it still works great today
When you look at The Tech Reports testing when the 840 pro was included in their SSD endurance test the drive may out live you if it has a normal everyday use. The 840 pro only died after writing 2.1 PB. My two year old 840 pro has written 12.28TB so if I get as lucky as The Techreport and the other components dont die I am good for another 344 years of writes. Even if I am unlucky and get a drive where the nand can only survive a quarter of the writes that The Tech Report`s drive did it is still another 86 years of writes.
Thought I was back in school and about to be tested and I wasn't prepared. Great Job
OS on SSD, data on HDD.
You can put your data on SSD as well if you have the money to buy a large SSD. No problem at all. For instance if you record multitrack audio in a recording studio, you better record directly on SSD.
games and OS on SSD, other stuff on hdd :D
OS AND games on ssd...
yes U r right
I rather put OS on nvme tbh
just a single sample report on one of your statements on durability/endurance; i have a 250gig samsung 960 M.2, running windows off it since the year this video was published. i installed HWiNFO64, it says the drive has nearly 91% remaining life, at 21TBW [out of a rating of 100TBW] to the drive. and now they have m.2's like a 970 evo plus at 500gb cost 90$, with a 300 TBW rating... ohh, and you can do stuff to extend the TBW burn rate, like move non-speed-critical win structures [like file history] and other programs you use to a deep storage drive.
but at this rate, assuming the software logic is sane and accurate, i could potentially run the drive for over 2 decades easy; and i've only had one western digital drive last over 10 years before i got too scared to run it cause it was an era before S.M.A.R.T reporting. it beats that, i'd call it insanely durable.
You do not need lots of free space to increase life expectancy of the drive these days. Many people think the drive only uses empty space for wear leveling. This has been true in the past (and still is with simple flash based devices like USB sticks or memory cards) . But all modern SSD use 'static wear leveling'. That means at some point in time they will swap blocks that have been overwritten just a few times with blocks that have been overwritten more frequently. The result is a disk with evenly worn blocks even if most data never changes and the disk is very full. This is important because on normal PCs many files allmost never change (Windows system files, applications etc.) while other data changes constantly (browser history etc.). A memory card for a camera does not need such a sophisticated controller because there are no static files. You take photos, transfer them to the PC after the vacation and then wipe the card before you take new pictures.
Empty space on the drive will improve performance when writing as the drive does not have to copy the contents of "empty" blocks when swapping them with others. There is still some effect on life expectancy because moving around data causes new write cycles, internally the drive has to write more data than the user does. This is called 'write amplification'. But in real life it doesn't make a huge difference. Its usually better to invest the money in some form of backup than in a SSD that is much larger than needed (large SSDs are still expensive!).
Finally someone else that knew this.
so even if i lets say bought a 250gb nvme ssd and just jamed it full from the begining. i shouldnt be worried even after 2 years?
Why wipe SD card after copying image data to a computer? Use it as a backup. I have quite a few full SD cards. The 0.3 terabytes of data from them is backed up to two external hard disk drives.
Reading does not wear out an SSD. Writing does. So if jammed it full and never wrote anything else, I would not be worried.
"Why wipe SD card after copying image data to a computer?"
Price of backup is much cheaper than buying a new SD card.
with today's technology i would only use the SSD for the OS system . i save Nothing on my SSD that has any importance . all the rest goes on 4 TB western digital Red. i have a program on MB turn off the power to my storage drive. only turn it on if i need to
There are so many places where hard drive can fail. Such as the motor or the mechanical head that's broken (not a big issue to the actual data on the platter depending on the situation). But hard drives can also have dramatic failures if the hard drive's head is stuck on the platter. A hard drive that is drop can also shatter the platters in the disk. A hard drive cannot be move a lot like ssd while running because that runs the risk of the head hitting the disk platter, causing a unreadable sector.
Hard drive are so bad compared to ssd. The only reason we still use them is because they are still a bit cheaper. But in a few years, ssd will take over. The only tear a ssd really gets over a lifetime is the write cycle. So if you have a bunch of movies on a ssd and you don't really write that often, you are using the ssd as flash memory (read only) and the ssd will last forever with this kind of use. Ssd are also cheaper to make on a large scale. Which is why they will dominate the world in a few years, rendering hard drives useless. We already have ssd that are 2 to 3 times larger than the biggest 14 tb hard drive thanks to 3d flash. And this is just the beginning of the advancements that we have made in ssd. There is much room left to get better at making ssd.
However, i'm still amazed that hard drive work perfectly like they do today. The precision at which a hard drive has to operate at is crazy. Ssd are not that hard to understand. One could make a ssd on a pcb chip maker on their laptop. But hard drives are way more complicated.
This is where i say "what a time to be alive"
Like you, I am amazed as how HDDs hold up and keep working! :)
Because they were built to last a very long time and not really be handled constantly or transferred over and over.
I do not doubt that SSD will take over in the future, but the longevity of the HDD will forever be it's beauty.
@@Life-tastic So you are saying HDDs last longer than SSDs ?
@@WhiteSlift
I mean, that's a general rule for it yea
@@Life-tastic Even so, I think that a vast majority of users will have no trouble with the longevity of SSD's. I have one in my Laptop since June 2017. I use the laptop almost daily, and so far, the SSD has 6,1 Terabytes written on it. Even if we assume a lifespan of "only" 70 TBW, it would take me 16 years to reach it. Of course I'm not gonna use that laptop for 16 years...I would be surprised if I still used it in 4 years.
And that's just a cheap SSD, a Samsung 860 Evo (still a cheap SSD actually) has an expected lifespan of 1600 TBW.
ugh 2017 and Im just now getting this in my recommends, shame shame lousy algorithm...
Seems to be some wear leveling and over provisioning going on in RUclips command center lol
Awesome teacher I never had.
My 60gb Intel from 2013 is still 100% health and it was used on a daily bassic. It just won't die lol, of course it was expensive at the time but seems to be great. Of course, 60gb is very small but since the rest of the pc is pretty junky, it's ok. Thanks for sharing this awesome info with us. Cheers :)
Aren't this the Intel SSD's with 5 year warranty ?
Seriously everything below 5 years should be a shame and only +10 year old SSD's should be a reason to get excited. I find 5 years a very short time.
I have multiple SSD's, several 240Gb and one 1Tb SSD. I got the Crucial 1Tb when it was launched a few years ago and all these drives are working just fine even after years of hard use.
I no longer use old hard disks other than in my 2 NAS systems, all my laptops and workstations run exclusively with SSD's.
SSD's are a no brainer these days - get them and love them!
ciprianwiner If SSD after many years of normal use shows 100% life left, then that indicator doesn't seem that reliable to me because drive can't stay "new" condition forever.
My main computer built in 2011 has two 160GB Intel SSD's in Raid 0, and it is still working fine! This was overkill as I only really use them for my OS anyway, as I have a 7200rpm HDD for main storage. (at the time I thought I was going to get into PC gaming but I didn't, heck one of my crossfire'd 6970 graphics cards died so I just took it out and didn't replace it lol) On my consoles (PS4/XB1) I just bought a Sandisk Ultra ii at 960GB for each.......after seeing this video and doing some more research they'll last pretty much the rest of my life lol. (meaning they'll last until something larger and faster is affordable enough for me to just replace them)
Keep in mind that some Intel drives like the 335 series has an internal kill function that puts the drive into read only mode at 700TB(for the 240GB version) written regardless of the actual health of the drive.
I like this gentleman's presentations as they seem technically correct without going off the deep end. Some of his videos go pretty fast, so I slow them down with the playback rate setting since some important points whiz by without my fully comprehending. But then my poor aged brain seems to be running at a slower clock rate these days... LOL Been twiddling with homebrew computers since Altair but the changes just keep coming fast and furious - so it's nice to have someone lay out the latest greatest bit-wizardry in plain EE speak without the "fog" of marketing!
SSD Life Expectancy: Over a decade (Varies per use and purpose)
Recommendation: Use SSD for you primary drive (C:) for faster boot times and work critical applications.
I upgrade to Samsung SSD's in my laptops. Night and day difference. Everything faster, cooler temps, and hardly any noise. Good presentation 😎👍
Try Space Silicon or Titanium Coating , or any other precious crystals or metals that can prevent the slow-burn wear-out of memory-cells , to increase the Pe cycles or SSD'S life by increasing the incandescent point level in temperature of the silicon materials in the SSD . Thus , mimicking the standard metal disk-drive memory disc for a long-lasting flow of electrons (leading to the after-burn effect ) which provides greater Pe cycles for a longer life SLC < eMLC < TLC < QLC (Toshiba)= Slow burn risk increase as data concentration also increase . The Wear-Levelling is preventing memory overflows and electronic burns is caused by the Wear-Out and the Coating will make Wear-Levelling much less of a concern just like Apples Heavy Black Goo Coated Chips for a denser electronic flows without burning : Thermodynamic Laws of Electric Flows .
wow dude You got the same haircut as Angela Merkel :)
him or the chancellor?
I stand to be corrected but.... If an SSD fails you are stuffed. If a HDD fails, you can normally
still recover your data from it.
This is indeed often the case - data recovery is more likely from a failed HDD (sometimes at great cost).
Is there a way to set a HDD to be a backup? I.e. a form of RAID 1 where only one drive mirrors the other, so the SSD isn't slowed down by the HDD?
Keep up the good work!!! This was helpful in building my new pc.
I might consider replacing my magnetic core memory with one of these SSDs😁
Windows paging system will have some fun wearing out the SSD if close to full. Constant swapping. :P
Yes. Exactly. Not everybody gets this! :)
i got that.
Excellent point.
Thanks for reminding me. ... need to shift my page file
I'm so mesmerized with his lovely hairstyle, he reminds me of Julie Andrews on Sound of Music.
Don't forget that mechanical hard drives used to fail also. I don't think SSD's are any worse than HDDs when it comes to durability. Stick with the 321 rule and you'll be right - it's so easy now with online backup, there is no excuse not to have an offsite copy of your por... I mean data.
With the exception that a failed mechanical drive could often be recovered if it was important enough. With an SSD there really is no chance.
early SSDs were pretty terrible, if we had those failure rates today we wouldn't even touch them.
Depends. There is old, reliable flash storage that still functions today in industrial environments. But when manufacturers started to go as low as possible with the price some sacrificed a bit too much quality for the price resulting in failing drives like the OCZ Vertex 2 But this also wasn't a new phenomenon. Maxtor went broke over it's failing mechanical drives and IBM's drives at one point got the nickname deathstar due to high fail rate.
Better don't count on that. Opening a drive that had a head crash in a clean room and reading it out using highly specialized equipment can easily cost as much as a car. "Amateur attempts" can kill the data ultimately. Think about that if it's really important. Backups are WAYYYY cheaper.
The smarter person will not rely on any one thing, but perhaps several avenues to accomplish one thing. When we're talking about important Data, EscapeMCP makes an excellent point/suggestion.
Samsung 840 Pro 36.3TB written, still going strong. Thanks!
the pro 840 can do upto 1800TB before it may suddenly fail (might do 1000TB more if your not hammering it with random write at 4k)
I'm at 8.33TB written onto a 240GB Intel 530 series (It's currently my OS drive, but I used it for less demanding purposes for about 6 months before I switched everything over to it) and it has been at least 90% full for almost a year now, and the Intel toolbox puts its "estimated life remaining" at 75-80%.
I'm FAR more worried about it running out of space when I'm not looking and causing weird issues and crashes than it actually failing on me. I definitely need to upgrade though. It's getting really old to have to make sure everything saves to the other drives.
I used to use mine as an OS drive but then I bought a PCI-E NVME drive so now I use it as a secondary drive for torrenting as well as for editing video.
An interesting video you could make....
when I compared early SSD's to 15krpm scsi drives the scsi drives out performed. I saw the same with SAS hard drives and others saw the same with WD velociraptors. Both have now been out performed by SSD's but I still prefer keeping critical data on a HDD raid (I currently use WD reds in raid) and I use SSD's in raid for my OS and other software I use. I do not mind if they go down data wise as my critical data is still on a HDD raid and even if (touch wood) they went down, I still have the ability of data recovery.
In a nut shell, SSD's give me performance and durability where as HDD's give me assurance and an assurance on reliability as you can often tell when a HDD is about to fail and even if it does there is a fair chance of recovering the data should it fail.
That is because the SATA interface is designed for the speed of HDDs, flash is capable of writing much faster due to the parallelizable write load. This allows for much faster write speeds which can be seen in the pcie interface NVMe standard.
I think this is how I will build my system. SSDs for frequent read/writes and HDDs for permanent storage. Will become a bit expensive though :)
@@prashanthb6521 this is exactly what I'm about to do.. buying an SSD only laptop, but I already have 2 tb external HDD.. the combo might work out..
I’m pretty sure the SMART monitoring on SSD drives will also alert you when the drive is nearing its end-of-life. HDDs have a habit of just dying suddenly without any warning, especially if suffering some kind of physical shock which damages the moving parts. SSDs would likely approach their death more slowly during which time you can replace it. Because of this I would consider SSDs a more reliable form of storage.
Great, clear explanation that reminded me of BBC Micro Live from my childhood. Bravo.
Thanks for the very informative video. Cheers from England's Penal colony , Melbourne Australia
So The Beatles are in tech now?
LOL
I thought he was the Bond villain from For Your Eyes Only...
aaahghaha =))) love this comment section
OMG Samsung 830 Series, my first SSD back in 2012, ah the nostalgia 🥹🤓
Still have it and working after 11 years (purchased on January)!
And almost 25 TB data written 😄
For all people worrying about SSD writes, relax, you’ll die much sooner than your SSD lol in fact I SSDed everything from my main desktop PC to my PS4 😂 🔝 I’m a huge fan of SSDs
I definitely agree with what you said. I have an old Silicon power micro SD card from china that I bought in 2012 with my lg optimus l5 and guess what?? After 11 yrs , the same micro SD is still working, it's a bit slow (class 4 speed) but still works, now imagine how long SSD can last. I will sure probably pass away before seeing my SSD dying😂😂😂😂
They can still die from electronic defects. I've replaced probably over 50 laptop HD's with SSD's for customers. 2 were dead out of the package, and 2 failed after a few months. The rest are fine...so far!
I bought my daughter a new Asus laptop (2-in-1, mid-grade, about $1000 new). After about 2 years, the internal Nvme (Intel or Western Digital, I think) died. She didn't use it super heavy, just average school use. I told her to shut it down right away after it froze, and send it to me. I was able to recover many of the files, but not all.
Based on your other videos, I was expecting you to also compare the SSD life expectancy to regular hard drive life expectancy. That would help put SSD's in context.
True. Was also expecting that, though the content is rich as is.
I got a Verbatim portable drive two and a half years ago, that lasted about two years (the guarantee period) and I used it rarely for backups, and I was gentle with it... so a comparison would be pointless here😩
I got WD my passport ultra 1tb external HDD for backups 4 years ago.
It is 3/4 full almost all the time and I use it quite often and it is still in very good shape. I scan it time to time with various software and they always show me that it's still has plenty of life :)
I also would like to mention that I took it with me many times in my backpack and sometimes kept it there for many days in a row and that backpack were used as usual and still no damage to the HDD.
@@ArtemLokhovitskiy Im rocking a WD element 3TB that I got for 60 bucks and its perfect for my movies and the bulk of my games. I use my m.2 nvme for my OS and more taxing storage.
I still trust traditional Mechanical Hard Disk Drives more then SDD. I'm still using a 40GB (IDE) Seagate Baracude Hard Disk Drive from 2004 Lol and its still booting and running Windows 7. Not one bad sector and its power on time is 3155.9 days. Older Hard Disk Drives just last way longer. And I still have a 1GB Maxtor Hard Disk Drive in a old Pentium 1 machine and it still works. Cant say that about todays Drives. Its like the cars from the 60's. They just build better, build to last.