Explaining SSDs: The Price/Performance Trade-off

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  • @calvinlucien
    @calvinlucien Год назад +336

    This man is truly one of the GOAT tech RUclipsrs
    Thanks for never disappointing, Chris!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +34

      Thanks.

    • @swagedelic
      @swagedelic Год назад +10

      This man is a treasure. But so disappointing to hear about what manufacturers are dumping on us. Scary.

    • @cjlowe1650
      @cjlowe1650 Год назад +4

      ​@@ExplainingComputersso Chris, I assume one should use HDD as NAS or backup devices instead of SSD'S?

    • @cjlowe1650
      @cjlowe1650 Год назад +1

      ​@@ExplainingComputersby the way great information video. Didn't know all the difference in SSD'S

    • @engagedswitch
      @engagedswitch Год назад +3

      Agreed He definitely has some of the best RUclips tech videos that are not only informative and entertaining but you don't get a whole lot of bias it's just straight his opinions based on his findings nothing more nothing less than I can always appreciate that in a RUclips channel
      Thank you for reading this and thank you for your content sir I hope you're having a good day
      God bless you and your family
      God bless you
      Jeremy Scruggs

  • @hexinli
    @hexinli Год назад +25

    This should be held up as the "Gold Standard" by which all technical explainer videos should be judged. Clear, concise, broad yet detailed coverage of the topic, and lots of "why" mixed in. I tip my hat, sir.

  • @ApexPredatorWithSungGlasses
    @ApexPredatorWithSungGlasses Год назад +106

    These are the aspect of computing that Linus Tech Tips cannot explain. Or if they can, they just gloss over gleefully for the sake of click bait without going in-depth.
    Good thing we have ExplainingComputers to explain things thoroughly.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +20

      Thanks, appreciated. :)

    • @klaxoncow
      @klaxoncow Год назад +7

      @@ExplainingComputers I await your "water cooling Mr.Scissors using a swimming pool" video with much anticipation, Chris.
      Just kidding. I do enjoy LTT. But, like, you go to them for computer-based silly entertainment, you come here to actually learn something.

    • @ricsip
      @ricsip Год назад +1

      @@klaxoncow But its not that deep enough, to reveal some non-obvious details: for example Anandtech benchmarks many HMB SSDs. But there is no hint how to query the state of the HMB buffer state (enabled or disabled?). As you can even disable HMB comoletely, then the performance drops down to prev. gen. DRAMless level. How much RAM has been allocated to the HMB buffer? As it can also vary!

    • @ericjarvie
      @ericjarvie Год назад

      That's true and they where (Linus tech tips) suggesting major SSD manufacturers where involved in "bait and switch" tactics but I don't believe industry to be anywhere near that cynical...if drive speeds fall short of claims then i'm sure there's some other reasoning for that perhaps its industries hierarchical order the available quality of materials or supply chain issues but not outright swindlers as Linus has once boldly claimed..

    • @Alias_Anybody
      @Alias_Anybody Год назад

      @@ricsip
      I've looked it up for the Crucial P3 1TB, a cheap PCIe Gen 3 SSD. It apparently uses 64MB of system RAM as HMB. Even if another model used let's say 4x the amount that's not a lot on a rig with 16GB plus.

  • @RoboNuggie
    @RoboNuggie Год назад +136

    This is what I love about this channel, you learn something new every episode.
    Even if you think you know all there is to know, along comes Chris and says 'Hold my beer...'
    Top stuff, top creator. Have restful Sunday Chris!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +20

      Thanks my friend. :)

    • @tvsmed
      @tvsmed Год назад +2

      Exactly. I thought I knew it all. But no🙂

    • @FlyboyHelosim
      @FlyboyHelosim Год назад +5

      @@tvsmed Nobody knows it all. Stay humble.

    • @esra_erimez
      @esra_erimez Год назад +2

      Oh hello Mr. Muggie! And how is my favorite FreeBSD RUclipsr?

    • @RoboNuggie
      @RoboNuggie Год назад +2

      @@esra_erimez You know how to say all the right things....🙂
      Things are fine, and yourself this fine sunny October day? (here in the UK at least......)

  • @robscott8834
    @robscott8834 Год назад +58

    I retired from a nearly 40-year career as a computer and network admin. This has always kept me close to the hardware and how the operating system uses it, especially in the earlier days through the evolution from mainframes and minicomputers to common standards-based ISA and PCI systems with mass produced expansion cards. This particular tutorial is excellent, and has expanded this old dog’s understanding of non-rotating storage devices. I was vaguely aware of the cycle-based limits on lifespan, and now I see the details far more clearly. Thank you..

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Год назад +2

      Probably the missing part is to talk about how HDD also has a controller (many people don't realize how everything abstracted) and that both SSD and USB-flash drive sticks are both flash-based and basically the same thing. The differences are in the number of chips, etc. and how fast & smart the controllers are.

    • @harleyme3163
      @harleyme3163 Год назад +1

      isa.. lol bin awhile since I heard that. still going though.. started with a 8088 too.. in fact I still got 4 working ones :-\ what's with old techs keeping old as stuff... whats this... a voodoo 3dfx ..... oh come on LOL

  • @johncundiff7075
    @johncundiff7075 Год назад +31

    This should be required viewing for EVERYONE who owns a PC. Mr. Barnatt makes it so simple to understand these concepts!! So many of my computer customers have no clue, and never worry about maintenance of their machine.. all they do is cry when things break and they don't backup. I do my very best to have my best customers watch as many of your instructional videos!! You do more for responsible computing than any youtuber that I have ever seen!! Keep up the great work, and we need to call you DR. BARNATT!!!

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +2

      Many thanks for your kind feedback. :)

    • @MichelMorinMontreal
      @MichelMorinMontreal Год назад +1

      A Christopher Barnatt 301, 401 and 501 course at college/university level, with lectures, workshops and internships... You should make sure you have adequate security when you register! Crowds and waiting lists... !

    • @nigelprice1831
      @nigelprice1831 Год назад

      Professor Barnatt in my book top video as always Chris

  • @mlongval
    @mlongval Год назад +40

    This is award winning level education! Thank you Chris for a thorough yet understandable overview of SSD technology.
    You are an educator extraordinaire!
    Cheers from Canada!

  • @Duo2
    @Duo2 Год назад +3

    Your ssd explanations are the best on the net.

  • @TruthProvider
    @TruthProvider Год назад +138

    I once bought a dram-less Sata SSD. Never again. Saving a few coins isn't worth it. Better to buy one with dram.

    • @danielpicassomunoz2752
      @danielpicassomunoz2752 Год назад +9

      Aye, but it's not something generally listed in specs

    • @christopherjackson2157
      @christopherjackson2157 Год назад +3

      In general I agree with you. Some ssd controller chips actually have a fair bit of dram built in. I'm not quite sure if they count as dram less because I think all controllers have at least some dram built in. The wd blue blue in particular seems to never get bogged down the way some other discount drives do - tho its maximum bandwidth is pretty limited , it does at least perform consistently

    • @jothain
      @jothain Год назад +6

      Yes, they're horrible. Worst is that manufacturers can still report really good speeds, but not revealing what amount of data it was done. Also this definitely should be mentioned in datasheets. WD I bought didn't have this on data sheet 🤬

    • @kattz753
      @kattz753 Год назад +6

      They're OK in some cases. The DRAMless Silicon Power mSATA drives are often cheaper than a flash drive in the same size. I would also stick one in an old computer. I don't ever use them as my main drive in my laptop or desktop.

    • @jothain
      @jothain Год назад +2

      @@kattz753 Well I gave review for vendor that it's ok for NAS usage to ie. view/listen media over network or possibly as gamers data storage drive. But absolute garbage for usage were there's a lot of writes happening.

  • @atruceforbruce5388
    @atruceforbruce5388 Год назад +2

    Been watching this channel for 5 years and one thing i can say I love about this channel is the very retro, feels like 1987, computer theme song that happens in the opening.

  • @kurtisrinker1202
    @kurtisrinker1202 Год назад +26

    There is one HUGE negative to D-RAM less drives that Chris didn't mention. They CANNOT be used in external drive enclosures/external drives because they require your pcs RAM to function. I found this out the hard way recently, and it took hours of hair pulling and frustration to figure out WTH was happening. Don't buy D-RAM less drives! The minor savings are not worth it.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +15

      Now this is a great point -- which I guess only applies to the new generation of DRAM-less drives (as those that store their map in their NAND flash should work in an enclosure).

    • @shade221
      @shade221 Год назад +3

      it's a bit extreme to say that you shouldn't by drives without a dram cache just because you can't use them in external enclosures. the savings can be very much worth it, it's just something to be aware of, just like the potential speed difference.

    • @kurtisrinker1202
      @kurtisrinker1202 Год назад +2

      @shade221 obviously people can do whatever they want, it's their money, but I won't rich them with a 10 foot pole.

    • @shade221
      @shade221 Год назад +1

      @@kurtisrinker1202 very few people at the moment are going to use an SSD in an external enclosure. the potential speed difference is a way bigger factor for most people.

    • @Olivia-W
      @Olivia-W Год назад

      Really? Is this new? I have never seen a working drive I couldn't access through my SATA to USB or M.2 NVMe to USB adapters.
      ... any specific models?

  • @martinwilkinson2344
    @martinwilkinson2344 Год назад +7

    This is great. Before this video I knew 1) what SSD stands for 2) they wear out 3) they are generally faster than HDDs. Everything else was learning for me. I use an SSD as my system drive but I do store other stuff on there as well so I'll be taking a look at how much it changes and consider wear.

  • @loginregional
    @loginregional Год назад +3

    We've come full circle. I subscribed when you last talked about SSD and now, how the landscape has changed.

  • @ricky_pigeon
    @ricky_pigeon Год назад +1

    I think it's getting close to 10 years since i first started watching your videos Chris. Thankyou so much.

  • @jinty83
    @jinty83 Год назад +25

    Thanks for explaining that so clearly Chris. It's very helpful to understand the reasons why certain cheaper ssds might not be as good of a deal as they appear, although for general use they are okay. I have a good quality system nvme drive and a decent larger drive for game storage. I do a little bit of video editing but nothing that requires massive reads/writes. I might see if any good deals pop up before Christmas as drives like the Kingston Fury and Western Digital 850X have been a nice price in recent months. As Samsung recently brought out their 990 Pro drive the 980 Pro has also seen discounts. These cost so much until fairly recently so it's nice to see prices come down. Long may it last! 😁

  • @WildkatPhoto
    @WildkatPhoto Год назад +3

    Sunday Morning Solid EC

  • @alanparker3624
    @alanparker3624 Год назад +2

    It would be very interesting to see the computer setup you use as your daily driver, a tour.

  • @lindaoffenbach
    @lindaoffenbach Год назад +3

    Excellently explained once again. In just under 15 minutes I'm thoroughly and masterfully informed. Life expectancy of SSDs is what really does worry me the most actually. I just don't know what exactly is to expect in terms of practical anticipation defined in years of use. I can see SSDs for starting up the OS but best leaving working data, files and backups on a physical quality platter such as WD, so it seems.

    • @Olivia-W
      @Olivia-W Год назад

      You can check how many terabytes you have written via software.
      In my case, I'd have to use my PC for at least the next 30 years every day to hit the TBW, and realistically much longer than that.

  • @aceclarksatx
    @aceclarksatx Год назад +1

    Thanks Bob Denver!

    • @Praxibetel-Ix
      @Praxibetel-Ix Год назад

      🎵 The ship set ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle, with Gilligaaaan, the Skipper tooooo, the millionaire and his wife, the movie star, the professor and Mary Ann here on Gilligan's Isleeeee! 🎵
      I hate how I can still remember every verse of the "Gilligan's Island" theme (though I only did the final part of the song for this reply) but not where I put my Hydro Flask at sometimes 🥴

  • @TurkeyJoe
    @TurkeyJoe Год назад +3

    God damn, it's like the fog has cleared. I am now a more savvy consumer. Brilliant!

  • @WalterW
    @WalterW Год назад +4

    Clear and concise explanations are why I started watching EC!

  • @hasansalim1868
    @hasansalim1868 11 месяцев назад

    Hi Chris. Thanks for the update. Quite refreshing indeed.

  • @iblackfeathers
    @iblackfeathers Год назад +7

    this is an excellent video dropping legit knowledge on what we use everyday.
    it’s a refreshing step away from a lot of other youtube pop “tech” channels unboxing buy-this buy-that consumerism videos, which has a time and place… where anyone can open a box but not much knowledge is gained.

  • @MichelMorinMontreal
    @MichelMorinMontreal Год назад +3

    Another masterclass from our leading teacher... I've finally understood how the SSD in my DELL laptop behaves during file transfers (the size of the cache memory...). I'm sure many of Christopher's other admirers have gained new knowledge thanks to this update. Definitely material for computer science students! Thank you for this!

  • @The_Pariah
    @The_Pariah 9 месяцев назад +2

    Recently found this channel and he deserves a lot of praise.
    I came here wanting to learn about DRAM-less, and he definitely covered it.
    Plus, I learned a couple other things I didn't know about SSDs.
    The added graphics are really nice.
    10/10 channel. Easy upvote from me.

  • @mancave-simpilot
    @mancave-simpilot 2 месяца назад

    Well done. Even as someone with 30+ years in IT and therefore tech savvy, albeit rusty as hell for the past few years, this instructional video was easy to absorb and my knowledge for purchasing SSD's is now complete within 15 minutes. Good stuff and you got a subscriber.

  • @RCRadioShow
    @RCRadioShow Год назад +10

    This was a very useful video Chris. I bought a DRAMless M.2 SSD a couple of years ago to be the system drive in an HP desktop. I knew there were tradeoffs but you explained them well in this video.

  • @ZeeKay80
    @ZeeKay80 Год назад +2

    This is by far the best explanation of SSDs I’ve seen. So thank you for that. As a next step, can someone pls create an online spreadsheet for SSDs with columns like Type of NAND (SLC, TLC, QLC) | SLC Cache | Interface | Max expected speed | Measured Max Speed | DRAM-less |. It’ll make buying process so much easier

  • @TruthProvider
    @TruthProvider Год назад +7

    I don't know, Chris... SSD's are bulky in size. A 5¼-inch floppy is much more sleek.

  • @mkcristobal
    @mkcristobal Год назад +11

    I think most manufacturers hide most of the info on their SSDs and will only tell you the max read and write speeds and IOPS, and no information about dram or cache or anything 😓

  • @Aruneh
    @Aruneh Год назад +47

    Another excellent video, with lots of great information!
    Here's hoping that SSD size and price will soon be able to compete with HDDs for NAS use. :)

    • @Argedis
      @Argedis Год назад +5

      I wish but doubtful, HDDs are still KING for storage.
      Seagate just released 24TB drives and roadmap is 40TB drives in 2 yrs

    • @FlyboyHelosim
      @FlyboyHelosim Год назад +4

      @@Argedis But, they're Seagate...

    • @johnm2012
      @johnm2012 Год назад

      ​@@FlyboyHelosimSeagate's high end drives are fine. If you don't like Seagate you can always try Toshiba.

    • @mirek190
      @mirek190 Год назад

      24 TB for SSD is easy to achieve but price .... 2.5 case you can easily make ssd of size 100 TB @@Argedis

    • @briccimn
      @briccimn Год назад

      @@FlyboyHelosim but HOPEFULLY they are!
      In Seagate, in last years, they have demonstrated that seriousness is something that worth it to be put within products and market(ing).
      Western Digital continues to make errors without exiting the mud pool in which they put themselves into, with a lot of scandals.
      Personally, I had always been using WD, but when I arrived to the point that the second, then the third, and then the fourth WD RED HDDs went to be get rid off because they were completely unusable after 1-2 years, and subsequently the CMR/SMR scandal went clear, can you imagine my feelings about WD...
      I still use with proficiency and satisfaction my Seagate's HDDs, with some of them being also (very) old but stil performing very well and SMART values still in good shape.
      I must 'disclaim' about two things:
      I am still talking about 3.5" and rotational HDD; and no SSDs of mine are from either WD or Seagate. I use the most Crucial, Samsung and Kingston. Sometimes cheap Silicon Power's one, which I find are a bargain in price/quality ratio.
      Please be gentle with my not first-language explanations...

  • @maicod
    @maicod Год назад +12

    A very thorough and clear explanation. Some time ago when I read EVO 860's slow down when copying a file larger than ~60 GB (I think it was that value) I changed to the Crucial MX500 as that one has a dynamic SLC cache and doesn't appear to slow down.

    • @shanent5793
      @shanent5793 Год назад +1

      Those MX 500 drives are actually very consistent if you can afford to stay below 1/3 capacity. Still cheaper than enterprise drives but with the low utilization they're only writing to the SLC pages and never need to garbage collect

    • @maicod
      @maicod Год назад

      @@shanent5793 yes I like them very much

    • @Alias_Anybody
      @Alias_Anybody Год назад

      The question is, who except for professional video editors is gonna do that regularly? If you download a game for Steam the drive transfer speed won't be the bottleneck, and even if you record let's say a 30 min gaming session in FHD as a background for some kind of talking video putting a new audio track on a 20GB file won't overwhelm even cheaper PCIe drives.

  • @djtreq
    @djtreq Год назад +3

    You've covered everything one would need to know when in the market for an ssd upgrade or expansion (being already familiar with basics like form factors, etc). Briliantly clear, concise, and devoid of the typical YT faff. Many thanks for your efforts here!

  • @dazz1566
    @dazz1566 Год назад +1

    For someone strongly thinking of getting an SSD for an old HP15, Mac Mini 2012 and my PS5? That was super helpful, truly. Thank you.

  • @johndrake3472
    @johndrake3472 11 месяцев назад

    You explain things so well to the layperson - it’s a talent, I appreciate you.

  • @ryutenmen
    @ryutenmen Год назад +3

    Very good video(short, clear and pretty much all encompassing) except Chris didnt mentioned one aspect of the SDD'd - data retention.
    All SSD's can retain the data a certain amount of time while not powered, usually around a year, after that it starts to lose the data stored in it. This argument ties well into "No SSD is a permanent data storage" statement at the end of the video.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад

      Fair point, except that two years is generally taken as the norm before data needs a refresh (via a data read, not re-write). But the more P/E cycles a drive has endured, the less time data will remain.

  • @Alan-rt3se
    @Alan-rt3se Год назад +1

    A very succinct, easy to understand explanation.

  • @Beevreeter
    @Beevreeter Год назад +3

    Thanks for more very useful info Chris. It seems that as a rule of thumb in consumer SSDs the TBW figure is roughly half the numerical size of the drive and given should give many years of normal use before failure. Most SSDs also have 3 to 5 year warranties. But as a professional I have seen SSDs fail without warning long before reaching anywhere near their advertised TBW or warranty period. And once they do (unlike with magnetic drives) you can more or less forget about recovering any data from them. Admittedly in the same breath I had a WD 4Tb magnetic drive catastrophically fail two days after buying and partitioning it, and it was completely unrecoverable. So I guess having a good backup strategy is increasingly important these days.

  • @johngermain5146
    @johngermain5146 Год назад +2

    Excellent job gathering volumes of technical data and presenting it in a short, concise video that the layman can understand!

  • @alanthornton3530
    @alanthornton3530 Год назад +12

    Thank you for all the hard work you've put in bringing us interesting weekly content. Today I've certainly learnt more about SSD's which I still find quite a fascinating subject, a happy Sunday to you & the crew :)

  • @geekyfreq
    @geekyfreq Год назад +1

    Not that this technology existed back then, but I had a flashback to watching Open University as a kid while watching this and I absolutely loved it. Awesome as usual!

  • @donross7820
    @donross7820 Год назад +1

    Now the Samsung 990 PRO 4 TB has been dropped to $299! I bought 4 and made a 16 TB RAID level 0 using the OWC 4M2 Express enclosure . It is a joy! Thanks for this superb article.

  • @gam85191
    @gam85191 Год назад +4

    Thank you Chris!

  • @paulluce2557
    @paulluce2557 Год назад +1

    I'm going to watch this in full when I get home later.. I'm certain that it will clarify the world of SSDs for me...

  • @marklewus5468
    @marklewus5468 Год назад +5

    Enjoyed the video. One thing you didn’t talk about with the newer drives is heat. PCIe4 &5 drives generate a lot of it. I tried to use a 4TB WD SN850X in an Orico 10Gbps external enclosure as a backup drive. Over a period of about 30 minutes it overheated and did not throttle, rather it just crashed and needed to be reformatted (MacOS). So best to avoid external enclosures and use these with a heatsink and active airflow.

    • @justin6581
      @justin6581 Год назад

      It doesn’t matter anyways. The SN850X would obviously not be able to take advantage of the full speed with thunderbolt 3/4, much less 10gbps usb 3.1.

    • @chrisb.3722
      @chrisb.3722 Год назад

      Interesting. I have experienced similar problems with a SN850X 1TB in three separate external enclosures with my M1 Air and M2 Mini. Oddly enough it seemed to work fine in external exclosures with my Windows machine (in eXFAT). On the Macs, in the midst of large-ish file transfers it would start rapidly disconnecting/reconnecting frequently and I generally had to reformat.

  • @lorderectus1849
    @lorderectus1849 Год назад +2

    Oh look 👀 Chris is in a solid state of excitement driving home his ssd’s!

  • @michaelwright2986
    @michaelwright2986 Год назад +3

    Wonderful. I've kind of picked up a lot of that by reading around over the years, but it is so good to have it all laid out clearly, with good guidance on what matters for which uses. Mostly, for my low intensity uses, it evidently doesn't matter much at all, except that this is one area where bigger really is better.

  • @realinv3ntor
    @realinv3ntor Год назад +1

    No bullshit channel, I love that. Just 1.25x to get rid of awkward silences at the end of the sentences.

  • @rickster2317
    @rickster2317 Год назад +3

    Hey Chris. Another great educational video. Even though I have been in the various tech industries for a long time, I still learn something new each time you present what are very relevant subjects.. This tutorial on SSD's is especially relevant, as they seem to change every time I purchase one. I too have always used the old one-two approach to computer storage: SSD's for the operating system, HDD's for data storage. It has always worked well. Thanks for making it clear what to look for when purchasing a new SSD. At least for now! Thanks for all your hard work!

  • @MikeKirkReloaded
    @MikeKirkReloaded Год назад +2

    Thanks for making sure TBW was in there. It's good to note that TBW is often used to limit warranty (like "1200TBW or 3-years, whichever comes first") but that DOESN'T mean a drive dies when it exceeds rated TBW. It does mean it's less reliable at storing data long-term + power-off. But I have SSDs at 3x their TBW still working with no errors.

  • @timothy8428
    @timothy8428 Год назад +4

    I only recently took the plunge and added SSDs to a couple of my computers. They're quicker now. Not crazy fast but definitely snappier.

  • @thomascasey8171
    @thomascasey8171 Год назад

    Have an slc drive in a openbsd firewall and it's been running for over 6 years without issues. But it's not being written to alot. Great explanation!

  • @lucyfrye6723
    @lucyfrye6723 Год назад +4

    Thank you, that was interesting. specifically, the fact that leaving an ssd less than 90% full so it can shuffle data around easier. I already did that because hard disks liked that to prevent fragmentation so it's nice to know that this still holds true but to prevent wear instead.

    • @lesliedeana5142
      @lesliedeana5142 Год назад +1

      I know that many defrag utilities stated not to be used on SSD's ... NOW I understand why!

    • @chrisgeorgiou8680
      @chrisgeorgiou8680 Год назад

      @@lesliedeana5142 The reason why defrag programs aren't used on SSDs is because it doesn't make sense. SSDs don't have tracks, sectors and clusters, neither they have moving arms and heads. So they don't need to reposition the head to another track or sector if a (large) file spans over more than one of them, like mechanical disks do. SSDs are electronic devices, capable of accessing any block of storage immediately, without any repositioning or rotation latency involved.

  • @daves4026
    @daves4026 Год назад +3

    Excellent video finally I can make sense of all the ssds on sale. Thank you for sharing your knowledge

  • @ericlawrence9060
    @ericlawrence9060 Год назад +1

    Love this channel. Never an episode I can pass up.

  • @kotgc7987
    @kotgc7987 Год назад +1

    OS running on SSDs has been so much better than disk drives...faster, more reliable, never corrupted or crashed. Disk drives were a constant problem.

  • @hoyschelsilversteinberg4521
    @hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 Год назад +1

    I love that you've kept your early 1990s technology style theme. You're brilliant!

  • @sid_gm1949
    @sid_gm1949 Год назад +1

    Love the way you speak and show the examples of the workings.
    And here we meet again on exciting Sunday 🌞🖥️
    Greetings!

  • @durbledurb3992
    @durbledurb3992 Год назад +2

    Still using the same boot drive 240GB Kingston SSD from 2015 that was slated in reviews on release. Doesn't seem to be any reduction in capacity. A many-times upgraded and updated Windows still up and fully running in

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +1

      Kingston SSDs have in my view often had a lot of unreasonably poor press.

  • @mikiethebikie
    @mikiethebikie Год назад +1

    Chris you are a real treasure. 👏👏👏

  • @scottjackson458
    @scottjackson458 Год назад

    That was the best lowdown on ssd's i've ever seen or read. Detailed and easy to understand. 👍

  • @briccimn
    @briccimn Год назад +1

    Every time a fantastic review of what also we IT technicians must expect from the market...
    Thanks Christopher, you are the lighthouse in our difficult sailings...

  • @Razor_Burn
    @Razor_Burn Год назад +2

    And here I thought there was something wrong with the speeds on my new Samsung 970 EVO PLUS SSD as its functioning perfectly normal as demonstrated in this highly informative video. Thanks for the valuable tech lesson Chris! 👍

  • @saroroot7535
    @saroroot7535 Год назад +2

    Wow, I never watch any video about SSD that are digestible by my BRAIN. Love your work.

  • @leskaighin8903
    @leskaighin8903 Год назад +1

    There is so much more to this than I realised. A great explanation. Thank you.

  • @don.timeless4993
    @don.timeless4993 Год назад +1

    thank you so much! this was an awesome update for my rusty info about SSDs. it's so sad that samsung stopped v nand 2 bit mlc & i hope they making it again for consumers, but still v nand 3 bit tlc a beast!

  • @Argedis
    @Argedis Год назад +5

    I've learned modern SSD's HAVE to do internal wear leveling in order to maintain performance.
    I have a 2TB Samsung EVO that started freezing when doing write operations and even benchmarks showed as low as 100MB sec writes.
    The drive barely had 5 TBW and only 1/2 capacity was in use.
    I ran manual windows TRIM operations and nothing helped. After doing lots of research I've learned SSDs do their own internal 'cleanup'. Moving data around and clearing cells to optimize write performance on new operations. It took several weeks and now write speeds are back to normal.
    Apparently this is all done through the SSD controller and is a 'black box' that we have no control over.
    This happened after doing a couple hundred GB of write operations. Read speeds were unaffected.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +5

      Yes, as discussed in the video, an SSD's controller constantly performs wear levelling over which the user has no control.

  • @tanmayhembram9249
    @tanmayhembram9249 Год назад +1

    Man the level of explanation, salute.

  • @robertheinrich2994
    @robertheinrich2994 Год назад +1

    when I saw the title, I thought: yes, I know SSDs.
    after I saw the video, I now think: okay, I know a lot more about SSDs.
    which is actually quite nice 🙂

  • @woodwaker1
    @woodwaker1 Год назад +3

    Thanks for all of the useful information. I still see a large place for physical hard drives, especially for large amount of data that does not need immediate retrieval. I have multiple 10 TB drives and they have been on line for years now with no problems.

    • @ironfist7789
      @ironfist7789 Год назад

      Yeah I use the seagate exos in raid or zfs... was looking at enterprise ssd that have more endurance but they are pretty pricey, but will have to see how pricing goes

  • @plsbanhackers9031
    @plsbanhackers9031 Год назад

    I can’t believe this video is free. I learned so much, thank you.

  • @MattBorgardt
    @MattBorgardt Год назад

    Good morning from the states I have to say this is one of your best videos in terms of knowledge really liked it...

  • @fram1111
    @fram1111 Год назад +2

    I would like to buy 2 PI 454, util next time

  • @MartinWolves
    @MartinWolves Год назад +1

    Chris does explain computers very well!

  • @giovanni.tirloni
    @giovanni.tirloni Год назад +2

    Thanks for this and all other videos! I always enjoy watching them and learn a lot!

  • @Billf57
    @Billf57 Год назад +1

    Thanks! Another great video from one of my favorite RUclips technologists

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад

      Thanks for your support. :)

    • @Billf57
      @Billf57 Год назад

      A very timely video for me as I’m in the process of shopping for another SSD.

  • @CDubya.82
    @CDubya.82 Год назад +1

    Cadence. That's just 1 thing about what I love about this channel.

  • @conniekehres
    @conniekehres Год назад +1

    Very well done and easy to understand overview of the technologies!

  • @audiodiwhy2195
    @audiodiwhy2195 Год назад +1

    Outstanding video. Very clear as always. Thanks, I never understood the inner workings and why some SSD's seem faster for large writes than others.

  • @jpdj2715
    @jpdj2715 Год назад +2

    Great overview. I would add a few things. I prefer to decipher TBW as "Total Bytes Written" rather than Tera Bytes Written for the simple reason that with older drives, manufacturers specified in GB, and now with the big capacity ones we get into PB territory.
    In the old magnetic platter days, we called the sustained write speed that a drive fell back to once the fast cache is saturated "media speed" and the same concept applies to SSD now, as you explain. A S-ATA III drive with a 6 Gbps (750 MB/s) interface may have a media speed of only 50 MB/s. Especially in the flash memory for high resolution * high speed cameras we see a need for very high media speeds or sustained write speeds.
    The write speeds on flash memory cards, generally, is burst speed and only valid as long as the cache is not saturated.
    We also see cards that have higher sustained speeds with increasing capacity and this is not the consequence of more cache - because sustained - but likely something like RAID 0 or dual I/O controller chips inside the card.
    Over-provisioning - Having worked in enterprise IT, I can add that a way to raise the number of P/E cycles in flash memory devices is to just put more memory in than the user and operating system (host computer) will see. So the usable capacity is what is on the label, but under the hood, for wear levelling, there is, say, 50% more. In the round-robin storage of data in fresh blocks (even after wiping a file from the FAT) the added capacity then results in more P/E cycles or higher TBW.
    Reduced overprovisioning - we also see capacity numbers now that are outside the standard 2^n (n an integer) numbers. Imagine an SSD that has cheap memory cells but for TBW got 50% more - say it's 512GB on the label but has 256GB overprovisioning - and this SSD is sold for 1.00X. What has happened in recent years is that manufacturers had less complaints about SSD failing too early from consumers, so they shift part of the over-provisioning to usable and label. The 512GB now becomes 640GB with 128GB under the hood and the price now becomes 1.25X - for the same material.
    The most important most overlooked property of SSD and flash memory is how long data retains integrity when the SSD/card is taken off power. Some cards have data integrity protection and maybe some SSD too. Ask a collective of people with a Ph.D. in electrical engineering and quantum physics for a number and you may get 7 to 7,000 hours as an hour.
    In the light of wear levelling and consumers buying SSD that have low P/E cycles, today's advice to never switch a computer off really makes sense.
    If you need reliable storage with a high number of P/E cycles (TBW) today, then rather like buying SSD variants, I would buy CFexpress Type B cards from a brand with a very good reputation (such as Delkin Black and Power series). Put these in a Thunderbolt reader/writer and its fast, very fast too.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад

      You can decipher TBW as what you wish. But if you read a modern SSD specification, the term is most certainly used to mean terabytes written. Manufactuers do not write "Endurance: TWB: 500TB" they write "Endurance 500TBW". Language evolves.

  • @tubeDude48
    @tubeDude48 Год назад +1

    Well done presentation Chris!

  • @richardpalmanteer9798
    @richardpalmanteer9798 Год назад +1

    Chris, I upgraded my SSD to my newly built computer. WD Black NVMe Game Drive 2TB GEN 4 from a Samsung 970 EVO PLUS NVMe 500GB.
    Corsair 110R Case, Intel Core 12th Gen Inte Core i5-12400, 2500 MHz 6 Core 12 Logical Processor
    Gigabyte H610M S2H DDR4 H610/Intel LGA 1700/Micro ATX/DDR4/Single M.2/PCie 4.0/USB 3.2
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz Desktop Memory Kit.
    Gen1/Realtek GbE LAN/Motherboard) EVGA 750 GD, 80+ Power supply Thanks for the great content and information on SSDs.

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt Год назад +2

    Awesome as always Chris - I have always appreciated how you are able to explain very technical concepts in an easily understandable way!

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Год назад

      My old NVMe i still use, 2 Tb 9800 by Samsung, cheaper, i can see that !
      why all channels say cheap now ? Need it, how many NVMe slots on i7 ?, need i9 cheap now ?

  • @DanielvanKATWIJK
    @DanielvanKATWIJK Год назад +2

    Did replace the one from my PC with a 2Tb Samsung 970 evo plus. NVMe

  • @tvsmed
    @tvsmed Год назад +3

    Superb update. I'm in the market right now. 4 TB Samsung Qlc for 180€. Incredible. I paid this amount for my very first SSD in 2010. It was 120gb. 40 times the price per GB back then.
    By the way, this new 870 QLC (the review in video is the 860 model) has a TBW of 2.800, but that is just for the 8TB model. For the 1TB model Samsung states 1.5 Million Hours Reliability (MTBF).
    Here are the numbers for all sizes from Samsung itself: 360 TBW for 1TB model, 720 TBW for 2TB model, 1,440 TBW for 4TB model, and 2,880 TBW for 8TB model.
    I am going to use the 4TB as NAS supplement and backup to my new router which has a USB3 port. (Asus ax4200, strongly recommended). So this disk will outlive the TBW limit I'm sure.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +1

      The fall in prices is indeed amazing.

    • @Blackadder75
      @Blackadder75 Год назад

      I like how they reused the floppy disk numbers 360,720,1440 (and rare 2880, 2,8 Mb HD floppy)

  • @taidee
    @taidee Год назад

    Thanks Prof for that reminder of what's happening with these things as the competition for our pockets is hitting up in the PC component market.

  • @fra93ilgrande
    @fra93ilgrande Год назад +1

    Ah yes, a new updated explaining video about SSDs 🤓🔝 thanks again!

  • @aa-qx7je
    @aa-qx7je Год назад +1

    Fantasticly informational video! Thank you.

  • @router5840
    @router5840 Год назад +1

    Very interesting video and this will be a great help in buying a new ssd, thank you for all the time you put in to your channel.

  • @brianwood5220
    @brianwood5220 Год назад +1

    Thanks again Chris, for all this info. It makes your head spin, trying to think of all the aspects, while choosing your next SSD.

  • @Reziac
    @Reziac Год назад +1

    Oh, very good info.
    Another problem that has occasionally shown up is that if an SSD sits unpowered long enough, it can lose data. So probably not the best choice for long term storage on the shelf.

    • @mirek190
      @mirek190 Год назад +2

      for the moment we do not know ... some youtube channels are testing it after few years in the drawer data is still present on those ssd and also peple are reporting their 10 yeast or older pendeives still keeps data intact

    • @Reziac
      @Reziac Год назад

      @@mirek190 Yeah, the problem is there are just too many possible circumstances to really test it. But that is hopeful information.

  • @roblongbottom1708
    @roblongbottom1708 Год назад +1

    Hi Chris - love your videos. I worked in HDD and SSD storage manufacturing for more years than I care to admit to. A good SSD manufacturer will overprovision the amount of storage on the device and then firmware will declare less than the total to be available to the user - the balance is hidden and used for the wear leveling algorithm in the background, hidden from the user. I wouldn't worry about it filling up your SSD to the brim other than for the usual reasons of never wanting a storage device stuffed. Cheap brand SSDs maybe different and SD cards used on SBC's probably won't use wear leveling at all.

  • @walkabout16
    @walkabout16 Год назад +2

    In the digital realm where data resides,
    SSDs emerge, where performance abides.
    A poetic journey, the trade-off's tale,
    Explaining the dance where prices set sail.
    Solid-state wonders, where speed takes flight,
    In the price/performance trade-off's light.
    A balance struck in the digital sea,
    A poetic revelation of technology.
    The swift read and write in the SSD's might,
    A performance dance in the digital night.
    Yet prices echo in the trade-off's song,
    A poetic reflection, where choices belong.
    From NVMe's speed to SATA's grace,
    The price/performance trade-off we embrace.
    In the digital choices where users roam,
    A poetic exploration of technology's home.
    So let the bits and bytes weave in the trade-off's rhyme,
    In the SSD's dance, where data climbs.
    A poetic guide through the technological trove,
    Explaining the trade-off in the digital cove.

  • @Chard9463
    @Chard9463 Год назад +25

    Of course in some laptops like Apple Macbooks, the NAND flash chips are directly soldered to the logic board which means you don't any choice as to upgradeability.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  Год назад +10

      Sadly so.

    • @Super8Rescue
      @Super8Rescue Год назад +10

      This is what stops me ever buying another Apple product. They are built to fail.

    • @Wannes_
      @Wannes_ Год назад

      So you don't want to use (external) HMB SSDs, as they further increase the wear on your Mac's SSD

    • @allluckyseven
      @allluckyseven Год назад +5

      @@Super8Rescue They're so concerned about the environment, though... /s

    • @TruthProvider
      @TruthProvider Год назад +4

      Yeah, but a 10 year old Mac wasn't built to be quite as disposable and cheaply made as the ones of today... @@cromulence

  • @JeriDro
    @JeriDro Год назад +2

    I really needed this video, great timing! TX

  • @michaelgkellygreen
    @michaelgkellygreen Год назад +1

    Super interesting as always Chris. Big thanks for educating us.

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo Год назад +1

    Great video. I think I need to watch it again. I love the subject of storage - and SSDs are of particular interest. I've definitely noticed the "hitting the wall" effect on SSDs. I backup my Hyper=V VHDs to a 4-drive RAID 0 array every week. Some of these VHDs are pretty huge - upwards of 50GB. I get a lot of the files copied into the array pretty fast but then the ultimate crash into the wall occurs. It's kind of fun to watch in the Windows GUI.
    I used to do this backup using HDDs, which was total agony. It took upwards of an hour and sometimes more to get all the VHDs copied but with the array of SSDs it only takes about 20-minutes for the whole backup routine to execute. SSDs rule.

  • @EricBarbman
    @EricBarbman Год назад

    I always learn much more than what I come for. What a channel!

  • @michaeljijus980
    @michaeljijus980 Год назад +1

    Thank you for explaining this topic!!

  • @procta2343
    @procta2343 Год назад +1

    great video!! learned a lot there! When SSDs came out, i think it was practically game over for computer Hard disk failures.