Giovanni from Palermo had once sung "Bukure Morea" to me. It's an old song about the "beautiful Peloponnese (Morea)" in the arbanite dialect of Sicily. He told me about his "sangue greco" and his greek roots from Morea, which he is proud of. Many Greeks fled away from Greece after the ottoman turkish conquest and the barbaric atrocities against the locals. This happened after 1460 in Peloponnese and many Greeks then spoke a greek-albanian language, arbanite. Many fled to Sicily and Corsica.
Δεν μιλούσαν ελληνοαλβανικα αλλά ελληνοιλλυρικα .Οι Αλβανοί με την δική τους γλώσσα από τον Καύκασο διωγμό νοιάζει από την λομβαρδοι ήρθαν και εγκατάσταση καν δίπλα στους προϋπάρχοντα Σέρβους και τους βόρειους Ιλλυριους πέρα δηλαδή από τα σύνορα της Ανατολικής Ρωμαικης αυτοκρατορίας στο λεγόμενο μενού βαρβαρικά ιλλυρικη. Η γλώσσα τους δεν είναι τα ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΚΗ οι Αρβανίτης ήσαν και είναι ηπειρωτες-ιλλυριοι.Ελληνικο φύλο.
Πένθος στο Μοριά Τα πραγματα και τα καλα μας, Έχουν μείνει Korona(Μορια,Μορεα)) Των Χριστό έχουμε μαζί μας Μωη όμορφη Μορε Βαθιά σου μιλω με δάκρυα στα ματια Εμεις σε λυπούμαστε μωη Αρμπëρη Χελιδονακι μου,ελαφρυ,ελαφρυ Όταν να έρθεις την επόμενη φορά Eρχεσαι να πας Κορωνα δεν θα βρεις πλεον τα σπιτια μας Δεν θα βρεις τα σουπερ παλικαρια μας Αλλα εναν σκυλο που ευχομαστε να ειναι σκοτωμενο Οταν ξεκινισαν ολα τα πλοια Και τα εδαφοι μας εξαφανισαν απο τα ματια Ολοι οι αντρες αναστεναγμοι Λυγισαν οι γυναίκες στο πένθος Βγες να μας φας εσυ διαολε Ωι Μωρε,Ωι Αρμπëρη
These are Greeks. They are Byzantine Greeks that went to Italy at Ottoman conquest. Morea is the medieval Greek name of Pelopponese. It is from Greek name Of tree :Μουριά there were many such trees in Peloponnese Morea trees. Peloponnese was ancient Greek name, Morea medieval Greek name. This is song from Southern Greeks.
αρβανίτικο είναι δεδομένου ότι τη περίοδο που γράφτηκε δεν υπήρχαν έθνη, υπήρχαν εθνοτικές ομάδες, μια εκ των οποίων ήταν και οι αρβανίτες. σε κάθε περίπτωση ένα τραγούδι που λέγεται «όμορφη πελοπόννησος» δεν μπορεί παρά να με συγκινεί σαν πελονποννήσιο.. χαιρετισμούς
@@ΣτέφανοςΓκαϊντατζής If todays greeks are same as the ancient hellenes, the same with Albanians and Arvanites. Same standards you apply to yourselves, count for others as well. Otherwise, if Arvanites are not Albanians, than, greeks are not hellenes.
Στέφανος Γκαϊντατζής it’s not arvanitikà but Arbërisht from Italy, arbëreshë people are the close relatives of Arvanites, but identify with the Albanian ethnicity and nation (besides the Italian one). You will see Albanian flags in arberësh towns not Greek ones. When Italy and Albania football teams played in Sicily, Arbëreshë people from Piana degli albananesi sided with Albania.
Moj e bukura more (Beautiful More, Moria [Peloponese]) Si te lash e më s'të pash ( How could i leave you and i didn't see you anymore) I'm curious who was these people who leaved Peloponese and sang this song in arbresh. Probably they was singing about their home.
@@bitter_truth8646 Brother, I'm not talking about the encardia but about the song it is 500 years old. This song is in Albanian you like it or not. And you never understand a world of this because you don't speak even Greek, even Albanian and I speak both.
@macedongreek There is not such a thing as greek-arbanite blood. It's an insult for either Greeks or Albanians. If you meet a Greek and ask you to translate this song he will be speechless. It is pure Albanian. The Arbereshe are medieval Albanians. They left Greece and Albania when turks came. When the arbanite call themselves "greeks" they mean "orthodox christians" to distinguish from Albanian catholics and Albanian muslims.
The most prominent figure among Arbëresh writers and the foremost figure of the Albanian nationalist movement in nineteenth century Italy was that of Girolamo de Rada known in Albanian as Jeronim De Rada.
Πρέπει να ερευνήσετε περισσότερο. Οι Γκρέκανοι stradioti της Κάτω Ιταλίας ήταν Μανιάτες, Τσακονοι, Γερακιτες και Αρβανίτες που ένιωθαν πιο Έλληνες από κάποιους του καιρού μας.
Album: Songs and Dances from Albania - Tirana Folk Ensemble Title: Moj E Bukura More (O Beautiful Morea) Year: 2000 Genre: Folk LYRICS: Moj e bukura More si të lash e më s'të pash (x2) Si të lash, si të lash si të lash e më s'të pash (x2) Atje kam unë zonjën Mëmë atje kam edhe tim vëlla Atje kam unë zotin At atje kam edhe tim vëlla Atje kam, atje kam Atje kam edhe tim vëlla Gjithë mbuluar t'gjithë mbuluar t'gjithë mbuluar nën dhe Moj e bukura More Si të lash, s'të pash E lul e lul e lul e lul E maca macë E unë po vij, e unë po vij, po ndalu pakë E ndalu pak, e ndalu pak, është e vërtetë Kjo zemra ime, kjo zemra ime je ti vetë (x2)
@@Arberesh741 albanian, you laugh?? Watch also other music videos of Encardia (Greek word). I'm not saying anything. Just listen their music..GRECANICO!
@@bitter_truth8646 🤣🤣🤣🤣 rido si per forza ,propaganda di uno stato creato dall'Europa che paga milioni di euro perché non venga fuori le mesogne della sua storia antica
Look there are two communities living in southern Italy.The ones are the albanian speaking community that came from peloponnisos and were greek orthodox in faith.The other community are the grikos,greek speaking communities living in grecia salentina and in calabria.
😂😂😂😂 il greco era una lingua della chiesa ,non un popolo noi si parlava tutti la lingua albanese, siete greci solo perché i bavaresi hanno messo l'obbligo della lingua greca ,anche oggi in grecia e vietato parlare la lingua arvanite albanese, perché se no viene fuori la vera storia della Grecia antica ❤
Hey, people, in 1460 there was no Grece and no Albania. But, there were albanians who left Morea and went to Sicily and Naples (and between these areas (Catanzaro)). The song is in albanian of the 15th century (not influenced by greek as all the words are albanian) presenting traces of southern and northern albanian dialects! Quite a dilema! I'm sure there must be an old (maybe not 600 years old) greek song of the greek population (I don't like terms like minority and majority) in Albania. That said, greek historians, accept that in the 19th century, albanian was the most common language in Greece and that, it was Ludvig of Bavaria who decided to create Greece in memory of the ancient one. So, there is no link between todays Greece with the classical one and let alone with Myceneans or Homer or wtf. Same thing for albanians or any other Balkan people. They are so mixed that its impossible to say who comes from who. Today, albanians are those people that speak albanian and so on for all the other nations of the Balkans!
It was not the "most common" language in Greece. It was spoken in some mountain districts and the district of Attika. But the Arvanite Christian Albanians had influence out of proportion to their size, for sure. Salute to that proud people.
It is not about leftist propaganda it is about common sense and examples from all over the world....Whites in Latin America mixed with locals and we had the Mestizos....Griko people in italy and arvanites in Greece are another example..or german speaking populations in France that have a french national consiouscness.People always immigrated and always interfered with other populations
I dont know the Griko language,but i know who they are,the language may be similar to the ancient greeks.MrAbagaz if they promotes Albanian songs,its ok,but i didnt read anyware this "promote",that the song is from Arbereshet.Many think that this music is greek bcs of the rhythm.But no,in fact this was our music before otoman ocupation,Ilirian music.Albanians,Kosovo,Cameria,Arvanites, Albanians in Makedonia and M.Negro (shqipetaret) are the same blood!!
the sog is ABOUT More, Moria, this is Peloponnese and the albanians were forced to leave by turks and escape to italy. Why albanian brothersin Kosova, Tetovo, etc lick the turkish boots?
(4) Differences do exist and that is what makes our world beautiful. Our differences. Can you imagine going to New Delhi, Tokyo or Rio De Janeiro and everything being like Athens. Wouldn’t be boring? Yes of course it would! Our world is beautiful because it has different colours, sounds, smells, tastes. So please, quit this bull about communist internationalism or neo-liberal globalised multiculturalism. If you don’t want humans to be the same ship all over, protect their differences.
Griko are southern italian people that their mother tongue is Greek,or at least partially Greek...anyway,i wrote in my first comment that this song is in Arbaresh,i would never say this is in Greek because i cannot understand it.But believe me those people in this poor part of Italy do not care about DNA and bloodlines and stuff like this.They had and still have more serious prolblems to solve.
And i do not say that people are identical,but can you really tell apart a GErman from a British??or a BUlgarian from a Serbian?or an italian from a Greek?their physical appearnce are pretty much the same and what distinguishes them is language and of course racial diveristy is something really beautiful,but if the natural evolution is all the people to get mixed there is nothing you can to to avoid it.
do you count words as music,theatre,cinematographe,photographe?democracy?and i didnt get your argument about church property?whats that supposed to mean?do u see any kind of church influence in governing greece?u know in vatican library there are letters from latin bishops in albania,informing the Pope how the majority of the population became muslim just for money given by ottomans.thats a really nice perception of religion and culture.to change for money.what a pride!
(1) Dear MrAbagaz, I agree with you that racial or blood purity doesn’t exist but you also say that people in the Balkans are nowadays more or less identical. I am sorry but it doesn’t only seem that you don’t read much but that you are also blind. It is obvious to the naked eye that apart from their similarities, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbians, Romanians or Albanians are nor identical. Just because there has been some mixing that doesn’t mean that everybody is the same.
to "vetemful". there is a thing called "reading"and another called "book". I think they would be very helpful for you. and yes this is "sarcasm"* as an anwer to your unstorical "irony"* * greek words too
"The state refuses to recognise that some Greek citizens may belong to some other eth- nic, cultural, or national group." "Since official recognition of other minorities of any kind is withheld, these groups are often subjected to discriminatory treatment, both at the collective and individual level." Anna Triandafylliodu 2002
if you know how to search in or wikipedia,you will get all the facts you need.I'm not a DNA researcher,but a have read a lot more than you,that's why i know such things!
Im not here to convince you,i know what is the true,the facts are so many,but you will never believed.About the song,its Arberesh.they are albanians in italy,that emigrate on the osman ocupation,Arberesh is from Arber,Arberia,Principat of Arber,in ancient Albania.The song is beautiful,but you cant undersandit because is in Shqip (albanian).Even today are schools in south italy that teach albanian language for the Arberesh that live there.Read mr,abagaz read than write
Well brother it is not soemething in particular that i disagree with you,i kind of have the same opinions with you but look..people in the Blakans were not fighting all the time,there were periods when peace was present...moreoever the same religion among populations and their dwelling in mixed villages is a factor that let us assume that people did mix...there were villages were albanians and greeks for example did live in the same areas and comon orthodox religion helped them come together
First of all,Arberisht is a language that's very influenced by Greek,as any other language. Furthermore,no one brainwashed anyone.No one said it's a Greek song! The fact that you are part of greek's history,and greece is part of your history makes this song equally common.Culture and history doesn;t belong to ANYONE!! btw I don't know when was the last time you checked your calendar but it's not 10000 BC.it's 2012 and we re not guided by the Church!
treg gert Arbërisht doesn’t have a strong Greek influence, but a strong Italian one. They have nothing to do with the Greek nation that was born in the 19th century. They decided to support the Albanian state and belong to the Albanian nation. If you go to Arbëreshë towns you will see just Albanian flags and not Greek ones.
And maybe we should also talk about the Greeks of Albania that were living outside the borders of the minority zone..they were deprived of all their rights for education in their mother tongue...anyway,every state has used assimilation measures for minorities,the Greek and the Albanian state would not be an exception
MrAbagaz they aren’t deprived of any right, they have free access to whatever they want. Of course there aren’t public schools in Greek outside the minority zones, but it’s pretty normal. I don’t think Catalan children in Madrid can get public education in Catalan, but probably there’s a private school in Madrid that offers courses in Catalan. In Albania it’s the same, there are Greek schools in Tirana even if Tirana isn’t part of the Greek minority zone.
MrAbagaz You can’t compare Albania and Greece, Greece didn’t ever try to protect its own minorities, threatening them (especially the Slavic speaking minority) or expelling them (Çams a part of them illegally deported to Turkey, the other part expelled after WWII) and not giving them the right to return (that was given even to Germans). Albania never threatened its minorities and always favored their integration. There are some problems with the Greek minority because it’s an ambiguous minority. Greece consider Greeks all Greek Orthodox, Albanians consider Albanians all Albanian speakers so there will always be some clashes. Funny part Greece considers Greeks all the orthodox Albanians immigrants even those who converted from Islam just to get papers more easily.
Yes yes it is a fact only in your minds...facts are facts...give me those facts,not just meniton it.Give me something written in "illyrian" language..anything...give me something to read....you also made up percantages,80%..haha,ok belive anything you want,it is you right to live in a myth
why arguing about something like that?? Albanians maybe are descendants of Illyrians ( this theory though is still very weak but its sure that they come from an ancient nation not greek). Arvanites are supposed to be Albanians who came to greece and got assimilated through years. If Arvanites want to be greeks they can be greeks..if they dont its fine too..every perison chooses for itself individually i guess..
And more important, italians see them as albanians (as they are) but, they themselves believe that they are albanians and greeks, albanians from Greece. This means that national identity was formed and very strong since the 15th century (and before) and that in Greece there was a national conscience (unfortunately different from today), a strong one to the point to make albanians call themselves greek/albanians! By the way, greeks (habitants of the region called Greece) were called romaoi and greek was the term for orthodox!?
The dilect is from the tribe of arvanites, greek/albanians orthodoxes. A lot of them were called Coronei, from the greek city of Coroni in Messinia (Moreas). Arvanites may origin from Albanians or Greeks. The fact is that they felt the same hate against the muslim Turks which have captured Greece for 400 years. Arvanites were the most famous guerrillas (kleftes) in the war of the Greek independence against Turks. And by the way, Balkan people and greeks maybe mixed but it is not scientificaly proven that there is no link between todays Greece with the classical one. Odysseas Elytis said that all I can see is the same blue light of the sea. This classifies me with my ancestors, the Greeks (HELLENES)
elvis marku The only Albanians that i have some respect for, are the Christian ones and especially the Orthodox.And not because i am some kind of religious guy,not at all, matter of fact i am an agnostic,but preserving your religion in those times meant that you had the dignity to stand against the conqueror and not get assimilated by him and the privileges he provided to the converts.So salute to you and any other orthodox albanian (as soon as you are not some kind of nationalist that wants to annex territory of my country)
marku po ja fut kot une jam gjys per gjys per mua sme intereson fare fea prandaj te kesh kujdes kur flet si e thua qe myslimanet shqipetar jan turq pak cip ske megjithate me keto mend qe ke aq me shume kemi per tu ndare
MEGALI LADRO...(THIEVES) ( FOX)....FOREVER ALBANIA....WITH LANGUAGE OF GODS...LANGUAGE ETRUSCA LANGUAGE OF HOMER..LANGUAGE OF ANCIENT GREEK(ALBANIAN)....RESCPECT CULTUR AND HISTORY...
@@Σ.παπα ναι από τον Μουσολινι και μετά είναι όπως τα λες κατά τα αλλά παντα greci ήταν πριν Η αληθεια είναι ότι έχει και αλβανικής καταγωγής κόσμο εκει όπως και ελληνικής αυτό διαφαίνεται και από τα αρχεια που αναφέρονται στης διάφορες αυτές κατά της πρώτες μεταναστεύσεις όπως και από τους ελληνόφωνους της περιοχής όπως φαίνονται και στο ντοκυμαντερ για τους Έλληνες της Ιταλίας που είναι παλαιοτερο φυσικα της αλβανικής προπαγάνδας
well i guess you are the one that should first read my comment more carefully and then write.I never questioned the fact that Arberesh is of Albanian origin.I just mentioned the fact that this band Encardia,is a greek band that promotes the culture of southern Italy,singing Arberesh and Griko songs.Do you know about the Griko language or never heard of it before?
no you were not the first civilization in Europe...how can you talk about civilisation?Any theatrical plays?any philosophical textes?something written in this so called illyrian language to prove your arguments?
i suggest you to read something,before you write bullshit ,just searsh on google,descendants' of illyrians this is from britanica.ccom :data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between...
Αrvanites of Greece have a greek identity and self conciousnes,but we have to admit that their language is not Greek.Nevertheless the language doesnt always indicate nationality(scots and irish speak english as their mother tongue).Anyway i guess thos people feel Italian first of all,and then greek or albanian if they really feel they have a dual identity
No, they will never identify as Greeks, they identify as Albanians ethically and as Italians nationally. Because Italy is way a more civilized country and this does’t provoke any outrage here.
such things are really stupid..there is no such thing like racial purity...people in the Blakans are nowadays more or less identical..racial mixing is something natural,especially when a place has been conquered several times by foreigners..it is common logic
😂😂😂😂 noi Arbëreshë siamo Albanesi la nostra lingua è Albanese i nostri tradizioni sono Albanesi la nostra fustanella e Albanese il nostro cratere e Albanese
first of all dont use words history and politics,u said u dont use greek words.and second,u have a wrong perception of the terms country and nation.u speak about history as if u knew who your grandfather and all your ancestors came from.dont u know that through centuries u have countless ancestors? your approach of the term nationality is childish.first try to find out the real roots of your country and leave greek history for the greeks.and btw i live in greece,why?u want a postcard?
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Giovanni from Palermo had once sung "Bukure Morea" to me. It's an old song about the "beautiful Peloponnese (Morea)" in the arbanite dialect of Sicily. He told me about his "sangue greco" and his greek roots from Morea, which he is proud of. Many Greeks fled away from Greece after the ottoman turkish conquest and the barbaric atrocities against the locals. This happened after 1460 in Peloponnese and many Greeks then spoke a greek-albanian language, arbanite. Many fled to Sicily and Corsica.
Δεν μιλούσαν ελληνοαλβανικα αλλά ελληνοιλλυρικα .Οι Αλβανοί με την δική τους γλώσσα από τον Καύκασο διωγμό νοιάζει από την λομβαρδοι ήρθαν και εγκατάσταση καν δίπλα στους προϋπάρχοντα Σέρβους και τους βόρειους Ιλλυριους πέρα δηλαδή από τα σύνορα της Ανατολικής Ρωμαικης αυτοκρατορίας στο λεγόμενο μενού βαρβαρικά ιλλυρικη. Η γλώσσα τους δεν είναι τα ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΚΗ οι Αρβανίτης ήσαν και είναι ηπειρωτες-ιλλυριοι.Ελληνικο φύλο.
Ooo Zot!
Sa të trashë jeni ju grekët.
E bardha është e bardhë
Ju e shikoni të zezë
Keni bërë greke ç'do gjë shqiptare në paturpësi!
Πένθος στο Μοριά
Τα πραγματα και τα καλα μας,
Έχουν μείνει Korona(Μορια,Μορεα))
Των Χριστό έχουμε μαζί μας
Μωη όμορφη Μορε
Βαθιά σου μιλω με δάκρυα στα ματια
Εμεις σε λυπούμαστε μωη Αρμπëρη
Χελιδονακι μου,ελαφρυ,ελαφρυ
Όταν να έρθεις την επόμενη φορά
Eρχεσαι να πας Κορωνα
δεν θα βρεις πλεον τα σπιτια μας
Δεν θα βρεις τα σουπερ παλικαρια μας
Αλλα εναν σκυλο που ευχομαστε να ειναι σκοτωμενο
Οταν ξεκινισαν ολα τα πλοια
Και τα εδαφοι μας εξαφανισαν απο τα ματια
Ολοι οι αντρες αναστεναγμοι
Λυγισαν οι γυναίκες στο πένθος
Βγες να μας φας εσυ διαολε
Ωι Μωρε,Ωι Αρμπëρη
Δεν λείπει ο Μάης από τη Σαρακοστή
@@apmikalogran σωστος..παντου χωνονται
O e bukura More, si të lash më nuk të pash,
Atje kam u zotin tatë, atje kam u zonjën mëmë,
Atje kam dhe tim vëlla, (të) gjithë mbuluar nën dhe.
These are Greeks. They are Byzantine Greeks that went to Italy at Ottoman conquest. Morea is the medieval Greek name of Pelopponese. It is from Greek name Of tree :Μουριά there were many such trees in Peloponnese Morea trees.
Peloponnese was ancient Greek name, Morea medieval Greek name.
This is song from Southern Greeks.
@@innosanto An arvanite song sung in arvanitika.so albanian.
@@innosanto Yeah southern Greeks that speak Albanian. Ok...
@@pranveraohri1204lol
Encardia is a Grecanico group. It has nothing to do with the albanian.
να ζήσει η όμορφη Πελοπόννησος
αρβανίτικο είναι δεδομένου ότι τη περίοδο που γράφτηκε δεν υπήρχαν έθνη, υπήρχαν εθνοτικές ομάδες, μια εκ των οποίων ήταν και οι αρβανίτες. σε κάθε περίπτωση ένα τραγούδι που λέγεται «όμορφη πελοπόννησος» δεν μπορεί παρά να με συγκινεί σαν πελονποννήσιο.. χαιρετισμούς
πολύ ενδιαφέρον φίλε μου..όπως και να ΄χει καλή συνέχεια. χαιρετισμούς από την όμορφη πελοπόννησο
most beautiful Albanian song ever :)
Albania Future
The most beautiful Albanian song is by Greeks
it isn't albanian. It is arvanite
Στέφανος Γκαϊντατζής o ignorant greek if they are greek why they speak and sing albanian
@@ΣτέφανοςΓκαϊντατζής If todays greeks are same as the ancient hellenes, the same with Albanians and Arvanites. Same standards you apply to yourselves, count for others as well. Otherwise, if Arvanites are not Albanians, than, greeks are not hellenes.
Στέφανος Γκαϊντατζής it’s not arvanitikà but Arbërisht from Italy, arbëreshë people are the close relatives of Arvanites, but identify with the Albanian ethnicity and nation (besides the Italian one). You will see Albanian flags in arberësh towns not Greek ones. When Italy and Albania football teams played in Sicily, Arbëreshë people from Piana degli albananesi sided with Albania.
TRIS IS nto greek language ! ThiS IS ALBANIAN! grating from RUSSIA. LONG LIVE ALBANIANS! !
valeria postayankina privet Valeria da et albanski yazik ya ochen rad shto tbi eto znayesh bolshoi privet
@@kujtim1ful привет ?Могу я знать Ты албанец ? Потому я смотрю ваш канал RUclips что у тебя уесть канал тирана ах или клан тв албанский ?
@@keinraca7916 da ya albanec zhil v grece I seichas v London davno zhivu
ruclips.net/video/Hn9Q0W6c8OQ/видео.html
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😢😢😢🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Moj e bukura more (Beautiful More, Moria [Peloponese])
Si te lash e më s'të pash ( How could i leave you and i didn't see you anymore)
I'm curious who was these people who leaved Peloponese and sang this song in arbresh. Probably they was singing about their home.
they were arvanit that were forced to leave by the turks.....the turks that sadly some albanian like today...
ruclips.net/video/Hn9Q0W6c8OQ/видео.html
Encardia is a Grecanico group. It has nothing to do with the albanian.
@@bitter_truth8646 Brother, I'm not talking about the encardia but about the song it is 500 years old. This song is in Albanian you like it or not. And you never understand a world of this because you don't speak even Greek, even Albanian and I speak both.
Wonderful
@macedongreek
There is not such a thing as greek-arbanite blood. It's an insult for either Greeks or Albanians. If you meet a Greek and ask you to translate this song he will be speechless. It is pure Albanian. The Arbereshe are medieval Albanians. They left Greece and Albania when turks came. When the arbanite call themselves "greeks" they mean "orthodox christians" to distinguish from Albanian catholics and Albanian muslims.
The most prominent figure among Arbëresh writers and the foremost figure of the Albanian nationalist movement in nineteenth century Italy was that of Girolamo de Rada known in Albanian as Jeronim De Rada.
And i dont want to dissapoint you but this man singing is a Greek,singer of the greek band Encardia..those guys sing Griko and Arberesh songs
Πρέπει να ερευνήσετε περισσότερο. Οι Γκρέκανοι stradioti της Κάτω Ιταλίας ήταν Μανιάτες, Τσακονοι, Γερακιτες και Αρβανίτες που ένιωθαν πιο Έλληνες από κάποιους του καιρού μας.
Album: Songs and Dances from Albania - Tirana Folk Ensemble
Title: Moj E Bukura More (O Beautiful Morea)
Year: 2000
Genre: Folk
LYRICS:
Moj e bukura More
si të lash e më s'të pash
(x2)
Si të lash, si të lash
si të lash e më s'të pash
(x2)
Atje kam unë zonjën Mëmë
atje kam edhe tim vëlla
Atje kam unë zotin At
atje kam edhe tim vëlla
Atje kam, atje kam
Atje kam edhe tim vëlla
Gjithë mbuluar
t'gjithë mbuluar
t'gjithë mbuluar nën dhe
Moj e bukura More
Si të lash, s'të pash
E lul e lul e lul e lul
E maca macë
E unë po vij, e unë po vij, po ndalu pakë
E ndalu pak, e ndalu pak, është e vërtetë
Kjo zemra ime, kjo zemra ime je ti vetë
(x2)
Encardia is a Grecanico group. It has nothing to do with the albanian.
@@bitter_truth8646😂😂😂😂😂
@@Arberesh741 albanian, you laugh?? Watch also other music videos of Encardia (Greek word). I'm not saying anything. Just listen their music..GRECANICO!
@@Arberesh741 You have nothing to do with the south Italy..nothing!
@@bitter_truth8646 🤣🤣🤣🤣 rido si per forza ,propaganda di uno stato creato dall'Europa che paga milioni di euro perché non venga fuori le mesogne della sua storia antica
Look there are two communities living in southern Italy.The ones are the albanian speaking community that came from peloponnisos and were greek orthodox in faith.The other community are the grikos,greek speaking communities living in grecia salentina and in calabria.
Yes, but unlike the Arbëreshë that remained in the Peloponnese or Attica they are proud of their Albanian heritage and wave the Albanian flag.
😂😂😂😂 il greco era una lingua della chiesa ,non un popolo noi si parlava tutti la lingua albanese, siete greci solo perché i bavaresi hanno messo l'obbligo della lingua greca ,anche oggi in grecia e vietato parlare la lingua arvanite albanese, perché se no viene fuori la vera storia della Grecia antica ❤
@@Arberesh741 Shut up ignorant Siptari
@@Arberesh741 Hey Shiptar speak English if you want a dialogue.
@@MrAbagaz ruclips.net/video/3gzaDraO3l4/видео.html
Hey, people, in 1460 there was no Grece and no Albania. But, there were albanians who left Morea and went to Sicily and Naples (and between these areas (Catanzaro)). The song is in albanian of the 15th century (not influenced by greek as all the words are albanian) presenting traces of southern and northern albanian dialects! Quite a dilema! I'm sure there must be an old (maybe not 600 years old) greek song of the greek population (I don't like terms like minority and majority) in Albania. That said, greek historians, accept that in the 19th century, albanian was the most common language in Greece and that, it was Ludvig of Bavaria who decided to create Greece in memory of the ancient one. So, there is no link between todays Greece with the classical one and let alone with Myceneans or Homer or wtf. Same thing for albanians or any other Balkan people. They are so mixed that its impossible to say who comes from who. Today, albanians are those people that speak albanian and so on for all the other nations of the Balkans!
It was not the "most common" language in Greece. It was spoken in some mountain districts and the district of Attika. But the Arvanite Christian Albanians had influence out of proportion to their size, for sure. Salute to that proud people.
Are you crazy?
bulshit you forgot byzantine empire 1000 years of existence...strange...
τι μαλακιες γραφεις ρε ανιστορητε?που θα μας βγαλεις ολα τα βαλκανια στο τελος αλβανικα
ultra sports Μαθε να βουρτσίζεις καλά το στόμα σου διότι χωρίς τους Γκεγκιδες δεν θα υπήρχε 21 ,ΕΓΚΕΓΚΕ???
they spoke Albanian...not Greek-Albanian language... they spoke the archaic Albanian
TheIllyrianKnight archaic???😂😂😂😂😂you have 0 history άντε πέσε για ύπνο βλάκα
TheIllyrianKnight hahaha stupid wake up you don’t have history
It is not about leftist propaganda it is about common sense and examples from all over the world....Whites in Latin America mixed with locals and we had the Mestizos....Griko people in italy and arvanites in Greece are another example..or german speaking populations in France that have a french national consiouscness.People always immigrated and always interfered with other populations
I dont know the Griko language,but i know who they are,the language may be similar to the ancient greeks.MrAbagaz if they promotes Albanian songs,its ok,but i didnt read anyware this "promote",that the song is from Arbereshet.Many think that this music is greek bcs of the rhythm.But no,in fact this was our music before otoman ocupation,Ilirian music.Albanians,Kosovo,Cameria,Arvanites, Albanians in Makedonia and M.Negro (shqipetaret) are the same blood!!
the sog is ABOUT More, Moria, this is Peloponnese and the albanians were forced to leave by turks and escape to italy. Why albanian brothersin Kosova, Tetovo, etc lick the turkish boots?
(4) Differences do exist and that is what makes our world beautiful. Our differences. Can you imagine going to New Delhi, Tokyo or Rio De Janeiro and everything being like Athens. Wouldn’t be boring? Yes of course it would! Our world is beautiful because it has different colours, sounds, smells, tastes. So please, quit this bull about communist internationalism or neo-liberal globalised multiculturalism. If you don’t want humans to be the same ship all over, protect their differences.
Griko are southern italian people that their mother tongue is Greek,or at least partially Greek...anyway,i wrote in my first comment that this song is in Arbaresh,i would never say this is in Greek because i cannot understand it.But believe me those people in this poor part of Italy do not care about DNA and bloodlines and stuff like this.They had and still have more serious prolblems to solve.
And i do not say that people are identical,but can you really tell apart a GErman from a British??or a BUlgarian from a Serbian?or an italian from a Greek?their physical appearnce are pretty much the same and what distinguishes them is language and of course racial diveristy is something really beautiful,but if the natural evolution is all the people to get mixed there is nothing you can to to avoid it.
do you count words as music,theatre,cinematographe,photographe?democracy?and i didnt get your argument about church property?whats that supposed to mean?do u see any kind of church influence in governing greece?u know in vatican library there are letters from latin bishops in albania,informing the Pope how the majority of the population became muslim just for money given by ottomans.thats a really nice perception of religion and culture.to change for money.what a pride!
(1) Dear MrAbagaz, I agree with you that racial or blood purity doesn’t exist but you also say that people in the Balkans are nowadays more or less identical. I am sorry but it doesn’t only seem that you don’t read much but that you are also blind. It is obvious to the naked eye that apart from their similarities, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbians, Romanians or Albanians are nor identical. Just because there has been some mixing that doesn’t mean that everybody is the same.
Το ακορντεόν τι δουλειά εxει εδώ? Το ρουμανιζει πολύ το τραγούδι
to "vetemful". there is a thing called "reading"and another called "book". I think they would be very helpful for you. and yes this is "sarcasm"* as an anwer to your unstorical "irony"*
* greek words too
"The state refuses to recognise that some Greek citizens may belong to some other eth- nic, cultural, or national group."
"Since official recognition of other minorities of any kind is withheld, these groups are often subjected to discriminatory treatment, both at the collective and individual level."
Anna Triandafylliodu 2002
if you know how to search in or wikipedia,you will get all the facts you need.I'm not a DNA researcher,but a have read a lot more than you,that's why i know such things!
Im not here to convince you,i know what is the true,the facts are so many,but you will never believed.About the song,its Arberesh.they are albanians in italy,that emigrate on the osman ocupation,Arberesh is from Arber,Arberia,Principat of Arber,in ancient Albania.The song is beautiful,but you cant undersandit because is in Shqip (albanian).Even today are schools in south italy that teach albanian language for the Arberesh that live there.Read mr,abagaz read than write
Well brother it is not soemething in particular that i disagree with you,i kind of have the same opinions with you but look..people in the Blakans were not fighting all the time,there were periods when peace was present...moreoever the same religion among populations and their dwelling in mixed villages is a factor that let us assume that people did mix...there were villages were albanians and greeks for example did live in the same areas and comon orthodox religion helped them come together
First of all,Arberisht is a language that's very influenced by Greek,as any other language.
Furthermore,no one brainwashed anyone.No one said it's a Greek song!
The fact that you are part of greek's history,and greece is part of your history makes this song equally common.Culture and history doesn;t belong to ANYONE!!
btw I don't know when was the last time you checked your calendar but it's not 10000 BC.it's 2012 and we re not guided by the Church!
treg gert Arbërisht doesn’t have a strong Greek influence, but a strong Italian one. They have nothing to do with the Greek nation that was born in the 19th century. They decided to support the Albanian state and belong to the Albanian nation. If you go to Arbëreshë towns you will see just Albanian flags and not Greek ones.
And maybe we should also talk about the Greeks of Albania that were living outside the borders of the minority zone..they were deprived of all their rights for education in their mother tongue...anyway,every state has used assimilation measures for minorities,the Greek and the Albanian state would not be an exception
MrAbagaz they aren’t deprived of any right, they have free access to whatever they want. Of course there aren’t public schools in Greek outside the minority zones, but it’s pretty normal. I don’t think Catalan children in Madrid can get public education in Catalan, but probably there’s a private school in Madrid that offers courses in Catalan. In Albania it’s the same, there are Greek schools in Tirana even if Tirana isn’t part of the Greek minority zone.
MrAbagaz You can’t compare Albania and Greece, Greece didn’t ever try to protect its own minorities, threatening them (especially the Slavic speaking minority) or expelling them (Çams a part of them illegally deported to Turkey, the other part expelled after WWII) and not giving them the right to return (that was given even to Germans). Albania never threatened its minorities and always favored their integration. There are some problems with the Greek minority because it’s an ambiguous minority. Greece consider Greeks all Greek Orthodox, Albanians consider Albanians all Albanian speakers so there will always be some clashes. Funny part Greece considers Greeks all the orthodox Albanians immigrants even those who converted from Islam just to get papers more easily.
Yes yes it is a fact only in your minds...facts are facts...give me those facts,not just meniton it.Give me something written in "illyrian" language..anything...give me something to read....you also made up percantages,80%..haha,ok belive anything you want,it is you right to live in a myth
Kenge mallengjyese
Albania lunguaga is pellazg illyria lunguag. Albania lunguaga is the mother longuages greko Latino il mama e Albania
why arguing about something like that?? Albanians maybe are descendants of Illyrians ( this theory though is still very weak but its sure that they come from an ancient nation not greek). Arvanites are supposed to be Albanians who came to greece and got assimilated through years. If Arvanites want to be greeks they can be greeks..if they dont its fine too..every perison chooses for itself individually i guess..
And more important, italians see them as albanians (as they are) but, they themselves believe that they are albanians and greeks, albanians from Greece. This means that national identity was formed and very strong since the 15th century (and before) and that in Greece there was a national conscience (unfortunately different from today), a strong one to the point to make albanians call themselves greek/albanians! By the way, greeks (habitants of the region called Greece) were called romaoi and greek was the term for orthodox!?
So well said Zhakino!!
The dilect is from the tribe of arvanites, greek/albanians orthodoxes. A lot of them were called Coronei, from the greek city of Coroni in Messinia (Moreas). Arvanites may origin from Albanians or Greeks. The fact is that they felt the same hate against the muslim Turks which have captured Greece for 400 years. Arvanites were the most famous guerrillas (kleftes) in the war of the Greek independence against Turks. And by the way, Balkan people and greeks maybe mixed but it is not scientificaly proven that there is no link between todays Greece with the classical one. Odysseas Elytis said that all I can see is the same blue light of the sea. This classifies me with my ancestors, the Greeks (HELLENES)
Take a look at ths sight. Perhaps you find something interesting.
www.greeks-albanians.com/eng-m-home
elvis marku
The only Albanians that i have some respect for, are the Christian ones and especially the Orthodox.And not because i am some kind of religious guy,not at all, matter of fact i am an agnostic,but preserving your religion in those times meant that you had the dignity to stand against the conqueror and not get assimilated by him and the privileges he provided to the converts.So salute to you and any other orthodox albanian (as soon as you are not some kind of nationalist that wants to annex territory of my country)
marku po ja fut kot une jam gjys per gjys per mua sme intereson fare fea prandaj te kesh kujdes kur flet si e thua qe myslimanet shqipetar jan turq pak cip ske megjithate me keto mend qe ke aq me shume kemi per tu ndare
megali ellada
Its Albanian though.
MEGALI LADRO...(THIEVES) ( FOX)....FOREVER ALBANIA....WITH LANGUAGE OF GODS...LANGUAGE ETRUSCA LANGUAGE OF HOMER..LANGUAGE OF ANCIENT GREEK(ALBANIAN)....RESCPECT CULTUR AND HISTORY...
heliotirana But the song is still about Greece ;)
What grekvedge? what mean?
I mean, the Arbereshe are lamenting the loss of their villages in Morea, the Peloponnese, in Greece.
We can have a discussion about Cameria and Arvanites and your so called origins from the illyrians but this is not the actual place to do it...
Catund greci
Catund στα Αλβανικά είναι χωριό
catund in Albanian will say village
@@Σ.παπα
ναι και?
@@apmikalogran δεν είναι catund greci αλλά catund Albanese
@@Σ.παπα ναι από τον Μουσολινι και μετά
είναι όπως τα λες κατά τα αλλά παντα greci ήταν πριν
Η αληθεια είναι ότι έχει και αλβανικής καταγωγής κόσμο εκει
όπως και ελληνικής
αυτό διαφαίνεται και από τα αρχεια που αναφέρονται στης διάφορες αυτές κατά της πρώτες μεταναστεύσεις
όπως και από τους ελληνόφωνους της περιοχής όπως φαίνονται και στο ντοκυμαντερ για τους Έλληνες της Ιταλίας που είναι παλαιοτερο φυσικα της αλβανικής προπαγάνδας
so what?i challenge you to visit any Arvanite village of Greece...let the Arvanites talk about themselves
well i guess you are the one that should first read my comment more carefully and then write.I never questioned the fact that Arberesh is of Albanian origin.I just mentioned the fact that this band Encardia,is a greek band that promotes the culture of southern Italy,singing Arberesh and Griko songs.Do you know about the Griko language or never heard of it before?
no you were not the first civilization in Europe...how can you talk about civilisation?Any theatrical plays?any philosophical textes?something written in this so called illyrian language to prove your arguments?
this men is speaking albanian.Stop stealing our culture.We are the frist civilisation in europe,Iliryan-Albanian same language,same DNA,same people!
i suggest you to read something,before you write bullshit ,just searsh on google,descendants' of illyrians
this is from britanica.ccom :data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between...
Αrvanites of Greece have a greek identity and self conciousnes,but we have to admit that their language is not Greek.Nevertheless the language doesnt always indicate nationality(scots and irish speak english as their mother tongue).Anyway i guess thos people feel Italian first of all,and then greek or albanian if they really feel they have a dual identity
No, they will never identify as Greeks, they identify as Albanians ethically and as Italians nationally. Because Italy is way a more civilized country and this does’t provoke any outrage here.
Ma qualle grecia albanesi a vita ❤
such things are really stupid..there is no such thing like racial purity...people in the Blakans are nowadays more or less identical..racial mixing is something natural,especially when a place has been conquered several times by foreigners..it is common logic
Αρβανίτες είναι όχι Σκιπεταρ .
They are Arvanites ,no Sqipetar ( albanians)
They are ethnically albanian through DNA
😂😂😂😂 noi Arbëreshë siamo Albanesi la nostra lingua è Albanese i nostri tradizioni sono Albanesi la nostra fustanella e Albanese il nostro cratere e Albanese
first of all dont use words history and politics,u said u dont use greek words.and second,u have a wrong perception of the terms country and nation.u speak about history as if u knew who your grandfather and all your ancestors came from.dont u know that through centuries u have countless ancestors? your approach of the term nationality is childish.first try to find out the real roots of your country and leave greek history for the greeks.and btw i live in greece,why?u want a postcard?