What Is the Secret of Joy in Suffering?
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2015
- How are Christians supposed to rejoice when there is so much wrong in the world and in our lives? Paul makes it clear that joy is not optional for the believer, and that we will suffer if we follow Christ. In eight minutes, John Piper uncovers the secret to unshakeable joy in pain and loss.
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Crazy for Jesus teen here 😁 thanks John piper!
You keep pointing me to my hero over and over again!
Heaven is a Kingdom of Absolutes, where else can perfection shine, and how much more its author, let us be perfect as our Heavenly Father calls us to be in Christ Jesus.
Amen 💗 The sweetness of Christ
Challenging, encouraging, comforting, awakening. Thank you so much!
Best icing on the cake ever! glorifying God and exalting his name!!! He is infinitely satisfying.
you have become very dear to me Mr Piper😊Thank you for letting our Father speak through you😆
Thank you for this video. Helps me get by during this difficult time due to Covid.
Amen brother Piper. One of the verses that has been so dear to me since the moment the Lord saved me has been Phillipians 4:11-For whichever state you may be in, be content. True joy is only found in contentment. I work in an office of which I myself don't make very much but there are people making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, driving Mercedes and Lexus cars but when you hear them speak, they don't have any joy nor happiness. They always want more, the money they make is never enough and they never seem to truly be content, they are miserable.
The lost man can never truly know & experience what real joy is because his heart is set on the things of the flesh of which can never be satisfied. I am so content with the little that I make and although I struggle financially at times, I wouldn't trade my little job for that CEO position because Christ is enough, he has to be.
Keith Thompson I don't think he was talking about material things and money. That isn't real suffering.
+Carissa Vasile Really? Go to a 3rd world country where families make less than $2 a week, have no food and drink dirt water that they are not suffering. Suffering is suffering, whether it's financially, emotionally or physically..
I'm not talking about 3rd world suffering. I understand that. I'm talking about the petty "suffering" of most Americans of never having enough.
Carissa Vasile we have first world problems in many countries.
Keith Thompson so true. Peace in Him is far better than any thing the world can offer. I’m at the age of 45 and I desire a simple life. Embrace the simple.
Awesome message. Awesome tie.
Ik this was four years ago, but love your comment, haha 😅
Spot on, John!
Pastor John, this is so outstanding truth and we see just how beautiful and perfect our Lord is♡I just praise his name forever, you describe all you have said here absolutely perfect, wow it can't get any better ♡ thank you, so much you are one beautiful blessing of a pastor♡Father we give you all the Glory, Amen and Amen ♡
Amen! Thank you! You are a saint. You don't have any idea how much i appreciate hearing this. Thank you! God bless you and your work!
Jesus loves you
Well said, not because he said it, but because how he learned what the scriptures says.
Once we come to a full understanding of how everything in our lives is a gift from GOD, yes everything. Our faith is a gift 🎁 from GOD, that includes anything we can think of, anything and everything is a gift from GOD.
I can’t say I enjoy this pastor John 8 years of anxiety not sure what Paul was made of. This never seems to quit.
Have you looked into some supplements to help anxiety (magnesium, L-theanine, gaba, etc)? These have been helping me 🙏
Very Nice Indeed.
Awesome message! Thank you for sharing this wonderful video
This message was a timely one for me because sometimes I am still surprised by the suffering, but praise be to God listening to this and other videos is strengthening me in Christ. Thank you for this message and understanding!,!
Thanks.
Amen this was beautiful!!
inspiring. .message
Thank you! I needed that.
You have the most soothing voice
I will be listening to this message over and over again.
I abounded at one time. I was living in sin too. I didn't learn how to abound, so that was taken from me, at least for the time being. However, I have contentment and joy now and would rather keep that than get back my losses. Maybe God will restore what the cankerworm took if it is in his plan for me. If He doesn't, I am good with that because I trust him. I want to gain Christ.
Amen, I appreciate the message and how you make the short messages for quick convenient teachings.Post more for our spiritual uplifting.
Wow spectacular
Really good! 😭
Profound
God gives faith, and God gives suffering, you say. But I thought God would only give good gifts to his sons. As in that verse which says something like "if you are not perfect and give good gifts to your children, how much more will God give you" Also, when asked for a fish, you won't give a stone. So I find it hard to believe that God is giving us our suffering. Plus God will give us what we ask in faith. I believe our suffering comes from the Devil and his associates. We need to flee from him. I try, I try, but it's really hard. I'm way too depressed, I'm not looking forward to dragging my sick, ugly, sad person through the years until I die. God is always there for me, I know that, but I'm simply too down and in too much psychological pain to be able to find joy in things that no longer bring me joy. I hope you understand what I mean. God is good, but I'm weak and sad and I don't believe He was the one to give me all this suffering. I will respect him and I will suffer until the end of my appointed days, but I'm sure He only gives good gifts, not suffering.
Helia, the odd thing is that Piper suffered from a 5 year bout with severe depression. I mean full blown depression, not just the blues or seasonal affective disorder or being down in the dumps for a day. He does not seem to talk all that much about it, and I wonder how he got over it. I do know that he kept repeating Psalm 42:5 over and over again at that time. It helped him a lot as it has helped me.
That said I am still not clear on the nature of suffering being a gift. I am not settled on that. And while I continue to process that, I take my cue from something else... Where the apostle Paul uses the term content in Phil. 4:11 ( "... I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances."), he is using a term that he has borrowed from the Stoic philosophers. The Stoics used the word (autarkes) to mean "self-sufficiency". The apostle gives it a new meaning, viz. "God-sufficiency". So I think we need to pray hard to God asking us to help us see how He is sufficient and ask for help to realize that God-sufficiency. Ok. Thats that and now I will pray for you. Take care...
3 years later, I pray you are doing better. I felt the need to reply to your comment as I've gone through a similar experience. Years of chronic pain and health problems at a young age halted my life and made me start to question God. Psalm 84:11 - 'No good thing will He withhold from those who walk uprightly.' It certainly felt like He was withholding many good things from me. How was suffering a good thing? I learned that suffering itself is not the good thing, but what the suffering accomplishes. We have to remember, God's definition of 'good' is not always our definition of 'good'. God uses what He hates to accomplish what He loves. Don't forget, He is doing a thousand things in every one thing that He is doing. I believe that He is about weaning us away from this world - we cannot enter Heaven trying to carry pieces of the world with us. At 18, after many years of pain, I can attest that He has withheld no good thing from me. I pray you will be able to see it in your own life.
@@alsmith7993 Amen hallelujah🙌
I pray you are better now, Helia ♥️ God bless you.
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Joy in suffering I will never understand that when I lose everything I have and sleep on the street and still be joyful so unreal....
We love Jesus but we are too prideful to fully obey God ..but we want..and He takes us through fire and difficulties in such a way ..that we lose control and rely on Him fully and enjoy eternal Joy and Happiness which is in Jesus Christ...for me there is no fulfillment of joy and happiness without Him..im ready to lose every thing for Christ..not because im scared of hell..or i must do so as God wants ..but because I want Jesus only...that is my universal and eternal demand and need from God...God bless❤
grumbling is not the opposite of joy/contentment. grumbling is an activity, whereas joy/contentment is a state of feeling. The opposite grumbling therefore is praising. Opposite of joy/contentment would be misery (discontent) and sadness (lacking in vitality) (feelings). As such, Suffering is a backward looking mental activity based on choice that keeps you trapped in a state of feeling emotional sadness, loss and regret. There are four types of suffering: mental, emotional, physical and spiritual. Check out this teacher based in the USA who breaks this down very logically. Check the Channel at DIVINE WISDOM RISING.
I like this piper guy, he seems to be really excited to be with Jesus guys like randy alcorn I almost feel like he is in it for the money I probably wrong but sometimes he looks bored.
What if you dont feel anything? What if you lose everything and God is silent. What do you do then? If you dont feel anything there is no joy that can come from it. I dont understand how just an idea of Christ can bring joy and contentment. As humans we have to feel something or experience something to bring joy. When you're in the valley of the shadow of death and God is silent I dont see how there can be any joy. Maybe I'm missing something but I dont understand
What camera and lens are you using here? Are you going somewhere around F/4?
So god is in charge of every circumstance, and we should feel joy in every circumstance such as a woman getting gang raped and then stabbed to death and a child being raped and murdered by an adult as god has sovereignty over all things, situations, and circumstances, so as these innocent people lie violated, mangled, and dying, they should have smiles on their faces at all the joy god just brought them.
My public channel I think that's a great and difficult question to answer. I believe that our joy can also be in the fact that we will be with Him when we die, even if our life on earth sucks a lot some of or even all of the time. Though I agree it is hard to have joy in those circumstances, there are many stories of people having joy while faced with death for their faith. Such as Steven in the Bible (Acts I think). :)
Will you ignore the fact that it was caused by men? Will you ignore the fact that it was men who corrupted this world with their wickedness? Will you ignore the fact that it is your twisted mind that takes something good from God and makes it something wicked? To answer your question, God is sovereign over all things, He allows wickedness such as that to occur by His Permissive Will. He allows you to sin daily yet you aren't dead. Or would you like God only to stop the things you think are evil? Where do we stop cutting off all the evil? Wrong question. You and I are not judges for both you and I are vile and wicked. Only God can judge righteously.
What about when you are sick
my athiest friend thinks that joy in faith is actually positive thinking that changes your emotions. isnt God just comanding us to use positive thinking as a way to change our emotions? This is an honest question.
K And James 1:5King James Version (KJV)
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
I still don't feel like your question was answered and I'm wondering the same thing
It would be strange if faith in good things did not give rise to positive thinking but sad to think if that positive thinking had no basis. However, God has called us to a living hope. This is expressed in 1 Peter 1: 3 - 5: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." This hope is of an inheritance set aside for believers, who have entered into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ through God's gift of faith.
Are you a cancer survivor, preacher? I don't suppose you or anyone commenting about how awesome you and this message are have ever been through anything so painful that all you can do is shake your fist at the sky...and CURSE the "god" in which I was indoctrinated to believe. And who never shows up.
And yet, those of us who have, all we have to turn to are preachers and "believers" who have never lived through the suffering you're all experts on.
Bible college doesn't count.
Jesus Loves You my question is how can you possibly make yourself be happy when your going through something so hard or lost something so important to you? I need help
John Piper is a cancer survivor.
Allowing true suffering is cruel and there's no 2 ways about it
And there is true suffering. And these ppl get no help except to find joy In it?
How patronizing is that sir
There`s absolutely no joy in suffering. As it seems that you fools haven`t gone through hell, otherwise you wouldn`t blurt out such nonsense.
I agree
joy in suffering? sounds very sado masochistic but isnt that what God loves? Pain, sorrow, grief, torture, long suffering,death,darkness, hopelessness, misery, torment, anguish, tears. with a God like God, who needs the devil.