Been paralyzed quadriplegic in bed for 13yrs now after a bike accident. Stuck in bed watching the world go by. Only recently 2yrs came to Christ. He takes care of me every minute.Happy to suffer I praise him for all my pains, my everyday prayers are once my parents can't take care of me God takes me up.
God bless you! Stay strong and filled with faith. My uncle had the same fate as you, and he made it. He is home in glory now, but he was my inspiration....
I knew my parents but my dad was very abusive then left when I was five and I was glad. My mom was and still is abusive and has caused a lot of headaches and pain for me so sometimes not knowing your parents is a blessing not a curse. Your father is our Heavenly Father ❤️🧡✝️🖤💚
Exatamente. Meus pais não me criaram. Porém hj, exigem a minha presença . Com 44 anos e casada. Confesso que é difícil manter relacionamento com pessoas que nem tive intimidade nem os conheço bem, e que quando pequena só me fizeram passar por traumas
Actually, I have struggled for years to retain my faith in God. I'm more likely to be faithful when everything was just fine in my life. But in the darkest years, there is no reason for faith. The feeling is that God exists for the world, but not for me. Still, I cling on, I knock, I pray. Hope never dies.
Most of the biblical suffering that was quoted is about the persecution for preaching the gospel of Christ after his death, and not so much about psycho-social-economical suffering
Not true, I also used to think so but the truth is different. Paul used the word perplexed. It's the result of Psychological suffering. Early Christinas were living in fear of persecution from the Jews first and then Romans and were living and worshiping in fear, They were even hiding in caves. It's social suffering. Paul talks about his own lack of money and of the fellow brethren in many occasions. Its economical suffering.
“So by suffering the Father would lead us to enter more deeply into the love of Christ. Our hearts are continually prone to wander from Him; prosperity and enjoyment all too easily satisfy us, dull our spiritual perception, and unfit us for full communion with Himself. God allows us to suffer in the hope that, when we have found our rest in Christ in time of trouble, we shall learn to choose abiding in Him as our only portion; and when the affliction is removed, have so grown more firmly into Him, that in prosperity He still shall be our only joy.”
tbh this whole concept is the one that is the most incomprehendable. I can't agree with what Piper said, experientially, about having a closer connection to God in God inflicted suffering. at least certainly not since I finally was brought to kneel before God . my suffering in the past is understandable, I was guilty and had no right to expect anything Good when I was a sinner...He had to take nearly everything away of what little I had, broken to the point of total despair. but post salvation I've been repeatedly been lost in despair all the more. it seems like such a contradiction of much of the Scripture message. is my torment punishment for sin? if I'm saved by Jesus and His complete satisfaction of the execution of judgement for sin is given to me, that means Gods Wrath is completely satisfied. so pouring out more wrath on me would be a contradiction of the perfection of Christ's rightious atonement.
@@RedDeckRedemptionExactly. Reality and what the scriptures imply do not match. It is a form of manipulative abuse when you really think about it. A "God" like that can't be trusted.
But is it wrong to enjoy good things God has given all blessings As one who has gone through much suffering, I actually have joy when I practice music, or my photography, and writing and use my gifts to share with others I think life has meaning when we are engaged in purposal activities and God is pleased
Suffering is a blinking red light that demands our attention. It's a sign that something is amiss. Physically, spiritually, emotionally. I suffer because I am seperated from my God. I suffer because I enjoy sin more than spending time with Him or doing things His way. I suffer because I do not seek His Healing for my mind, body, soul. I suffer because I allow how I handled past trauma to dictate how I handle present stress. His yoke is easy, His burden is LIGHT. He suffered in our place! Whatever is causing you to suffer... imagine how that killed Jesus. Because our suffering is nothing compared to His suffering. God's will is done in heaven.. in heaven there is no suffering AT ALL OF ANY KIND. God's will is no suffering at all of any kind. We still suffer here. Because He suffered here. He suffered because of everything that causes our suffering. You mourn a lost child? How much more did Jesus mourn that lost child? How much more did that crushing loss you feel, crush Him? Jesus wept at Lazerus' grave. He wept at the grief of others. He wept because it hurt Him MORE to lose Lazerus even for just a moment, even though He knew He would bring Him right back. He wept at the lack of faith and knowing Him and His heart. Jesus didn't take your child to teach you a lesson. For a child to die in the womb, there is a lack or dysfunction, either in the child or the mother. That lack or dysfunction, wherever it was, KILLED Jesus. It destroyed Him. So that child would no longer experience any form of lack or dysfuction... That child is now ALIVE. We experience lack and dysfunction (and therefore, suffering) every day of our lives.... because we are seperated from Him. The closer we get to Him, the closer we get to the end of suffering. His yoke is easy... His burden is light. He loves. He heals. He forgives. He cleanses. He restores. He blesses. Don't worry about what is wrong... what hurts... Worry about Who heals...Who restores Draw near to Him and He will draw near to you. God bless!
I’ve been highlighting every scripture that talks about suffering and let me tell you…suffering and being a Christian goes hand in hand. Romans 8:18 gets me through so much.
@@deemisquadis9437 I wasn’t looking for anything. Why did God bring me into all of this? I didn’t ask to exist why am I being forced to to have an eternal conscience? This isn’t fair.
I am a person who never knew my parents. Yes God has blessed me but I still struggle with this. I see others being happy and I feel alone. No one seems to understand.
I am with you as I live a very isolated life. But, happiness is not my goal but contentment is a place I try and live. Life in Christ can be lived without expectations but with anticipation. Because of what Jesus Christ accomplished for us we can know that we are loved, accepted and forgiven. We are important, have meaning and purpose and have been equipped by the endwelling Holy Spirit and empowered to live out the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Rule of thumb: When my Christianity becomes about me, it's no longer Christianity. It's no longer I that live, but Christ.
That has nothing to do with God. I am tryimg not to sound unsympathrtic, but God doesn't fine tune your personality according to your personal needs. It happens because you don't have the emotional resources that others have. Those resources expected your parents to be around. Humans need to grow up in a nurturing environment.
@@douglaidlaw740 Every true Christians personal and emotional needs have ALREADY been met and fulfilled "in Christ." Therefore, if I believe that I am lacking in those areas it simply boils down to unbelief. I can't project any blame on my parents or anyone else. Your response is very short sighted.
I am sooo exhausted from the constant battle. I can't handle it anymore. Where is this perseverance and strength? When will it come?? Lord, im just so utterly exhausted. I have NEVER been able to do ANYTHING alone. Life has been one long struggle of passion and hardship, and it gives me kno solace to kno there are ppl worse of than me. I DO see u in all ur Glory in the wonder of creation and in Good times, just as i see your miracles in time of need. But when I'm differing and you're not there, i kno your will is still best, however I've no strength left to, having done all, to stand,... I'm tired. I've been waiting for this perseverance and fortitude and strength my whole life, Lord!!! Where IS IT!!!????? How are you strong when i am weak??? Ppl are saying that they no longer expect anything from me anymore bcz i am sooo physically unable to do anything anymore, though I've never been strong. How can i rely on you when you're invisible and i CAN'T do ALL THINGS thru Christ who strengthens me, when you DON'T! NOT like they WANT! I'm just tired, Lord. I trust you, but plz God, plz strengthen me? Plz heal me? Restore my soul?
Have you experienced the Baptism in the Holy Spirit? He, empowers you, you actually feel it, an empowerment. Ask, God to fill you with His Holy Spirit or find a Holy Spirit filled Christian to lay their hands on you to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
since CHRIST also suffered in the flesh for us ..we need to also be the part takers of CHRIST'S suffering...THOUGH CHRIST FOUND IN FLESH HE COMMITTED NO SIN...HE BACAME A SIN OFFERING FOR US ALL ..PRAISE BE TO HIS MIGHTY NAME
Very helpful teaching. There is a chain of things in Rom 5:3-4 that highlights some of the benefits of suffering for God's people: 'And not only that, but we also boast in our afflictions, because we know that affliction produces endurance, endurance produces proven character, and proven character produces hope.' (CSB)
Praise to the Lord( Jesus) and tbank you pastor John for sharing about the relationship between suffering and joy in Christ from the New Testament in Christ. Amen to 1 Thessalonians 1:6 "6 You became imitators of us❤❤❤❤❤❤ and of the Lord( Jesus😊1st❤) ; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with joy😊❤ given by the Holy Spirit."( 1 Thessalonians 1:6 ESV) and amen to Romans 5:3-5 too "3 Not only so, but we also rejoice😊 in our sufferings, because we ❤ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ know that suffering produces perseverance❤; 4 perseverance❤, character❤, and character, hope❤. 5 And hope❤ does not disappoint us, because God(😊 100%❤) has poured out his ❤ into our hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us."( Romans 5:3-5 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Sometimes because sufferings for Christ also reveals God's grace in disguise. God can uses suffering to reach even more people to Himself or to Jesus our savior and Lord ( Jesus) in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( ❤ ) for others' healing for good only. Amen to Romans 5:3-5 and In Jesus'namd, i pray( Romans 5:1-11( Peace and joy)in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, James 5:14-15; Philippians 4:4😊, 4-7😊❤). Amen.
Amen to Romans 5:3-5 ( ESV) "3 Not only so, but we also rejoice😊 in our sufferings, because we ❤ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ know that suffering produces perseverance❤; 4 perseverance❤, character❤, and character, hope❤. 5 And hope❤ does not disappoint us, because God(😊 100%❤) has poured out his ❤ into our hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us."( Romans 5:3-5 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) ❤😊. Thank you pastor John for sharing Scriptures relate to both sufferings and joy in Christ from NT too. Hope everything we share encourage and Strengthen those of us in Christ Jesus. Thank God for that brother's healing. May the Lord, Jesus continue be with him and us in Christ as we love God and love people with all our hearts, all our minds, all our souls and all our strength by God's grace in Christ. Thank God and praise the Lord( Jesus) for He is faithful and above all in all including sufferings. Sufferings can also be God's grace in disguise. I read a newspaper or magazine before, it said a phase that said, " Be thankful for the bad things in life. For( Because) they opened your eyes to the good things( God's good things or to me is Jesus' good things in Christ) That you weren't pay attention to before" ( from that Newspaper or magazine that by God's grace, I had cut it out) and put somewhere at home in Christ❤. Hope this encourage the family of God in Christ Jesus❤. In Jesus'name, i pray( that quotes from many years ago also encourage me and hopefully it also encourage us in Christ). In Jesus'name, i pray( Romans 8:28❤). Amen.
Under the Parable of the Good Samaritan from Luke 10:25-37( The Parable of the Good Samaritan ) The Bible said, Luke 10:27 "27 He answered: " ' Love❤ the Lord your ( our)God with all your ( our)heart and with all your ( our)soul and with all your( our) strength and with all your( or our) mind' and, ' Love your neighbor as ( as or like) yourself( or ourselve).' " ( Luke 10:27 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and parenthesis parts also for and in Christ Jesus, my Savior and Lord ( Jesus) in Christ too. In Jesus'name, i pray and share by faith in Christ with❤ only in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( Luke 10:27)..Amen.❤
God's blessings unto you ! Thanks so much for your encouragement for it comes in the right time. The enemy is trying hard. God is good all the time and He alone is good.🙏🙏💕
I've lived the Christian life for 17 years so far. I've never felt any type of joy in my suffering. I should have by now. When I read these exhortations in the bible, they are just words on paper to me.
@@Sheri77 No. Pain is still pain not matter how you dress it up. What I have felt looking back is the gratefulness those sufferings are over. Like a woman after she gives birth.
Trying to be purposely mindful to be grateful during suffering can be difficult, can be part of the suffering I think. But the sooner we allow ourselves to think and verbally express gratitude, that will lead us to joy, or happiness for being thankful.
Our faith in Him is never in vain! Our suffering is purposed and what we must undergo since He who made us knows us best. There is so much pure milk of God's Word sensitively expounded here. Thank you. Many would have been helped in Hawaii that day, hearing Pastor John. These presentations are so helpful. Eyes, minds and hearts on our suffering Lord who is glorified and with us !
Why am I being forced to exist? Why would God make that choice for me and bring me into all of this? I didn’t ask for existence or an eternal conscience, this isn’t fair.
John Piper makes a very good point that the New Testament connects suffering and joy over and over again. At first sight, suffering and joy seem to contradict each other, and I would suggest this is one of the main reasons why so-called Prosperity Gospel teaching exists. Many Christians can't understand how suffering and joy can fit together, they see that the Bible teaches joy, so they assume that Christians who are following Jesus closely shouldn't suffer. And then they explain away a multitude of biblical passages which teach that Christians can expect to suffer. Basically, they exalt their own ability to understand above biblical revelation.
I have never felt any joy with suffering and never will. Once I learned that God actually WANTS me to suffer and even sends it my way, I closed him off completely. I shredded my Bible, shredded my gospel pamphlets, and closed my mouth from sharing the word completely, once and for all.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 I am very sorry to hear that, not only that you have suffered (I assume significantly) but also because you haven't understood what was going on. God's will for Christians to suffer is similar to the will of parents of a child who is seriously ill with cancer to suffer while undergoing chemotherapy. The parents know that the chemo is a horrible experience, yet they know that it is going to do their kid a lot of good. So it is their will that their kid suffers under the chemo. You seem to imagine that God sadistically delights in the sufferings of Christians, but nothing could be further from the truth. It pains God to see his children suffer, yet he does it so as to work for their good through it all. I would encourage you to consider that your thinking on this issue might be too simplistic. You aren't seeing things right. You're not going deep enough. I also have suffered terribly at many times in my life, but I have seen a little bit deeper than you have. I am well aware that God is billions of times bigger than I am, with a vastly deeper understanding. And God has to be good. So, if at first sight, it seems that God is treating me badly, I always become persuaded that he can't be. I would encourage you also to return to the Lord, trusting that he is good and that he cares about you. And it isn't as if God holds suffering at arm's length anyway. The sufferings of Jesus, the God-Man on the cross are way, way beyond what any of us have been through. (By the way, ten out of ten for the name 'oswaldcobblepot'.)
@maxaplin4204 What's even more disappointing is that an all capable "God" created no other avenue to navigate through a problem other than a slow, painful, horrific "chemotherapy" process of suffering, when he could have created a better alternative. But pain and suffering IS what God wants and he DOES intentionally inflict you with it. So don't tell me God is not a cruel sadist, because his actions prove it. I can't change the fact that God is a cruel monster, but what I CAN do is CLOSE MY MOUTH and prevent the Gospel from proceeding from my lips. I have been, and will continue to allow every lost man that God brings my way to pass on without hearing the message, so as long as it BURNS A HOLE IN GOD'S HEART, this is what I will do.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 It's too simplistic to say that because God allows suffering he must be a sadist. You are very overconfident of your ability to see the big picture. The degree of bitterness you have is also quite something. You seem perfectly happy for people - who obviously have not wronged you in any way - to miss out on salvation just so you can inflict greater pain on God. That is very warped. You are prioritising hurting God over helping people. Your attitude reminds me of the examples we sometimes see of a man who has been wronged by his wife, who hurts his own children to hurt his wife in revenge. His mindset is so full of hatred that he is prepared to see his own children suffer as long as his wife suffers. You seem to be prioritising hate over love, which is no way to live. It is destructive for everyone involved, not least yourself.
Its is that when we hold fast in faith to Jesus through suffering that we glorify God. I hope when you have the time you would read the book of Job and the book of Philippians. Peace and love to you.
GoD is more precious then whAt i lose AnD GOD is more precious then whAt I gAin AnD so is every person ALL SO THAT is the meAning of these words BecAusE it does include GOD TO LOVE GOD AND TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF IS THE WHOLE OF THE LAW in the New Testament
He doesn’t will that we suffer but He allows it and promises to use it for good. We have nothing to fear and we ultimately have eternal life! That’s how we can suffer joyfully - He doesn’t willingly afflict. Also we have the promise of discipline. Determinism is false. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. Lamentations 3:33
Discipline happens to make us more Holy. In the context of an adult Christian this makes sense, and is biblical. I struggle with understanding the point of suffering in abused young children. Any thoughts on how this can promote God's glory or make anyone more holy?
Whatever, I’m comfortable with myself, even if I’m a loser and a failure to god. I’m not a soldier, a warrior or a tough strong christian, I’m just this boring worthless me, it’s who I am. I hate the system that everything is always for the strong and tough and it’s those people that give people like me a bad name. I enjoy life whether god likes it or not, too bad he can’t be happy for me and accept the way I am.
This was extremely comforting. I shared it on my Facebook and with a mom that lost her little 8 year old boy Marcus to brain cancer. I looked for the full sermon I could not find the RUclips channel. Why would you not put the link in the description of this video? If you could please do that, it would be great. Thank you.
In what way is this comforting? I found it just the absolute opposite. I hated the video. It’s very very insulting to people like me. But of course god only cares for the strong and tough anyway, that which I’m not. I hate god.
All bad things happen for good reasons. We have to train to be strong. You don't just become strong. We have trials, because we wanted to be the strongest of the strongest. The harder our lives the stronger we become. I started training at birth. We all did, we just chose different paths. There are no trials it is learning, building soldiers of the future. Those who can do it to the end shall be the strongest of the strongest. 😇🤗💯
Do be quiet, That’s your own opinion, that’s why you didn’t quote a scripture to say bad things happen for a good reason. Because it’s not true. Some people are dealings with horrible things and you’re saying it’s for good reasons, even though you don’t know them or the suffering or the reasons.
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, that Satan also came among them For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it" Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour
Bathing us in one truth from the New Testament 1) Romans 5:3 2) James 1:2 3) 1 Peter 4:13 4) Hebrews 10:34 5) Act 5:41 6) 2 Corinthian 12:9 7) Philippians 2:17 8) Colossians 1:24 9) 1 Thessalonians 1:6 10) 2 Corinthians 8:1, 4
Tell that to all the kids who cried out to God for help and got nothing as they were being raped and beaten. "That was God disciplining you because he loves you." You are equally as SICK as that deadbeat who calls himself God.
Jesus came to save the world and undo the works of the devil. His disciples healed people, cast out demons, raised the dead and Jesus said, greater things than this, you will do, even calm storms and move mountains. So, what happened? Did Jesus lie, did he fail? Of course not, many Christians have done miracles and continue to do miracles. My hypothesis for why the world isn't as perfect as Jesus said it could be is this, as Jesus warned, wolves have crept in, false teachers abound, lies replaced truth. So who is harmed, but those causing the problems. Sad indeed. Feed the sheep and let the little child lead you, instead of feeding the sheep to the wolves.
Blessed are those who are persecuted on account of me you will face persecution you can't love God and MAMMON -(wealth) either you will love one and hate the other or love neither.. if you teach we are saved by grace ALONE BY FAITH ALONE how do you claim not to love WEALTH CREATED TEACHING US TO DESIRE GOD?? WOE TO WHO?? WHO MUST LEAVE THEIR WEALTH & GIVE IT AWAY TO POOR TO BE GREAT IN KINGDOM AND WHO WILL BE SAVED BY GRACE BUT SUFFER LOSS IN PURGATORY OF 1 COR 3:15 NOR BE ONE OF THOSE TOLD WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT?? WOE TO WHO BY GRACE ALONE NEGLECTING GREATEST 2 COMMANDS SUMMARIZING ALL LAW AND PROPHETS BY GRACE ALONE??
You mean like single people whose affliction of unwanted singleness is treated like nothingC and in fact, not only are they Insulted and criticised for the assumptions that people have about singleness, but they’re not allowed to be sad about being single or that they’re being treated poorly by married people because. Can’t win. Meanwhile married people moan about anything and everything. Including things CHOSE. And they’re treated like martyrs.
I stopped listening to several pastors/teachers a few years ago when I heard them teaching the narrative of the liberal Left. This will be the first time in 3-4 years listening to Desiring God. I don't remember the details, and can't even remember the names, just the faces, of those teachers. It saddens me and makes me sick when I see Christians who know what sanctification is, and especially teachers and preachers, allowing the doctrines of the world into their hearts, their churches, and their lives. I believe that for some it's coming from an honest, but misled, attempt to do the right thing. For others, it's because they want the world to love them and THEIR church, and to have their churches full. I've missed some of these pastors. But, a little leavine leavines the whole loaf. I guess I have decided to not listen to this after all. 😢
Desiring God, God will allow what we allow. If we allow sickness pain and suffering, instead of taking our God given authority and commanding them to go, Then God will allow it. But God wants everyone to be free from suffering. The choice is ours, Not God's.
@th6252 I know John Piper is a heretic. he must believe that God is a sinful dictator who is the author of every bad and evil things. As for health and prosperity, anyone who knows the Bible will know that it teaches it. But most Christians have been religiously brainwashed instead of Biblically brought up, as you have proved. As for "Name it and claim it" Jesus said we can have what we say. And people are a living proof of it, because they have got what they have said, but sadly in having bad things. The Biblical Greek for Confession, As in Jesus being the Apostle and High Priest of our Confession, Heb 3: 1. is, "Agreeing with God and saying the same as God". And God said Jesus has already healed us. And God delights when His people prosper. He even gives His people the power to prosper. But naughty people like you either don't know the Bible or you love calling God a liar. Either way, shame on you.
So, the only time a child will be abused is if the child allows themselves to be abused? Not only is this train of thought entirely unbiblical, but is utterly illogical. Please say no to drugs.
@m____w____6981 I was talking about born again Christians allowing things to happen to them. I thought you would have had the intelligence to know that. As for bad thing happens to children. (1) If the parents are Christians and know the Bible, they can protect their children by covering them with the blood of Jesus and their God given authority. As for bad thing happening to other children and people. If you knew the Bible, you would know that the devil is the god of this world, he is behind bad and evil things.
No. It is NEVER God's will that we suffer. Satan comes to steal, kill and to destroy. We are to STAND FIRM in our faith for the devil goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. God never puts suffering on you to teach you a lesson that is insane!
Yes. God’s children are supposed to suffer. The Bible just literally says so. Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
@@aletheia8054 Maybe you thrive on arguing with people about religion but I do not. I know what God's word says Hon and I don't need you to police my opinion on the matter.
@@hammerbrit69 Well, I’m not your hon. And God’s word literally says…. Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
@@aletheia8054I reject Philippians 1:29 because I don't accept forced suffering. God can send it my way but all it will do is drive me further and further away from him. I will make sure of it.
OSAS is false, and salvation is the central theme of Scripture, so you need to know this. One sin is sufficient to damn a soul, even to the righteous. One sin cut the whole race off from God: "By one man sin entered into the world.... by one man's offense death reigned. ... by the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation.... by one man's disobedience many were made [constituted] sinners" (Rom. 5:12-21; Gen. 2:17; 3:1-19). One sin, whether committed before or after a person is saved, will have the same effect that the one original sin had. "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity . . . All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned . . . in the sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die .... for his iniquity that he bath done shall he die" (Ezek. 18:24- 26). Again "The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression.... for the iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it (Ezek. 33:12-20). One sin cursed the whole race (Rom. 5:12-21); Cain (Gen. 4:8-13; 1 John 3:12); Pharaoh and Egypt (Ex. 3:2; Rom. 9:15-23); Nadab and Abihu (Lev. 10:1-7); Achan (Josh. 7); Gehazi (2 Ki. 5:20-27); Judas (Acts 1:25); Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11); and many others (1 Tim. 1:19, 20; 2:14; 5:11, 12, 15, 20; 6:10; 2 Tim. 2:18, 26; 4:10; Heb. 4:11; 1 Cor. 10:1-18; Jas. 2:10; etc.). One sin caused Lucifer and one third of the angels to fall (Isa. 14:12-14). One sin caused angels to be sent to Hell (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6, 7). God revealed that one sin would cut men off from Him. This is His own law and He cannot be just and truthful if He does not enforce it (Gen. 2:17; Ezek. 3:18-21; 18:4, 13, 18, 20, 24, 26; 33:9, 12, 13, 18; John 8:34; Rom. 6:23; 8:12-13; Gal. 6:7, 8; Jas. 2:10; 1 John 3:8). Many times God promised to "cut off" any man that committed certain sins (Gen. 17:14; Ex. 9:15; 12:15, 19; 30:23, 38; 31:14; Lev. 7:20- 21, 25, 27; 17:4-14; 18:29; 19:8; 20:3-18; 22:3; 23:29; Num. 9:13; 15:30, 31; 19:13, 20; Ezek. 14:8; Mal. 2:12; Rom. 11:22, 24). The phrase "cut off" means destroyed in death and “cut off from my presence" (Lev. 22:3; Ps. 109:13-15; Zec. 13:8; Matt. 24:51; Luke 12:46; Rom. 11:22-24). Sin committed is as much sin one time as it is another. It is as much sin to the saved as to the unsaved. It is the sin itself that is sin, and the time it is committed does not make it unrighteousness at one time and righteousness at another, or sin to one and not to another. Any transgression of the law is sin, whether before or after one is saved, and the penalty for the broken law must be enforced without exception, as well after salvation as before. To reason that sin is not sin when committed by saints, or if committed after salvation, is poor reasoning, and the very devil himself would blush at being accused of such utter lack of intelligence. Whenever one sins he must, for the time being, cease to be holy. He must stand condemned and must incur the full penalty of the law that the one sin of Adam incurred, or God would be a respecter of persons and a party to selfishness and sin. If He broke the law which He and all free wills are obligated to keep, He would be a sinner. If man does not incur the penalty, then the law is abrogated and he has no rule of duty- consequently, he cannot be either holy or sinful. The penalty cannot be abrogated unless the law itself it abrogated, for precept without penalty is no law. It is only counsel or advice. If God's law is merely advice, then there are no sinners to be saved, there is no need of a Saviour, and the whole plan of the Bible is a sham. A man is damned for breaking the law of God and for his own sins, and that 👉 the sin of rejecting Jesus is merely the last sin that seals the doom of man for his own sins and for original sin. 👈 Only past sins are forgiven (Rom.3:25; 2 Pt.1:8-9; Eze.18:24-26). If you fall into temptation, following the devil and your flesh, then repent again for justification with all sincereity (Eze.18:30-32; 1 Jn.1:9; Rev.2:5, 16, 21-22; 3:3, 19), not giving God lip service so you can get away with living after your fleshly desires... that will not work (Gal.6:7-8). Temptation will always be the lot of the child of God, but no sin need be committed and no self-condemnation need be indulged in just because of the presence of temptation (Heb. 2:18; 4:14-16; 1 Cor. 10:12-13; 1 Pet. 1:6-7; 4:12; 5:8-9; James 1:2-12; 4:7).
@@maxaplin4204 Genesis 2 character Yahweh Elohim. Usually translated as LORD God since the Tetragrammaton grammatically blocks adding the "of". But just as Genesis 1 is Ruach Elohim and we say Spirit of God (nobody says Spirit God thats not how English works), it's the same for Genesis 2 Yahweh Elohim so we should add the 'of' to LORD of God usurper character that we first read about in the 2nd creation account in Genesis 2. Also known as the LORD your God deciever character later in the Bible. He says that a lot when not genociding, ordering deaths of children, accepting child sacrifice, condoning slavery and making you kill your relatives, friends and neighbors. Genesis 2 guy Yahweh is the bad guy and his Spirit of the LORD is the perverse Spirit and angel of darkness.
@@maxaplin4204 Also, Yahweh was adopted (from the broader Levantine polytheism). Let that sink in haha. Yahweh got kicked out of Heaven (off Heavenly Mt Saphon) in the Baal (title meaning Lord) Cycle. His epithets were the Dragon, the Twisting Serpent and the Seven-headed Monster. Yahweh was anthropomorphized on earth in the OT. He's a tool for knowing Good from Evil which is a major recurring theme throughout OT, NT and Quran. At the time of the crucifixion Genesis 1 left the body so that it was the human Genesis 2 that was crucified. That spiritual warfare cost Yahweh his Book of Revelation hell on earth nonsense and his earthly body. Now Yahweh is Allah of the Quran and is transcendent or whatever.
If you want a cushy life, with no suffering, Christianity is not for you. It cost Jesus and others their lives. Suffering is how you learn from adversity, like the butterfly that needed to struggle when emerging from its cocoon, or it wasn't strong enough to survive.
All you're saying is that Jesus and anyone who follows him are masochists. And that I'm a bad person for not adopting such a self-loathing perspective.
There are other ways to learn without forcing someone to suffer against their will. Only a cruel tyrant operates like that. A loving father is supposed to protect his own from evil. Not sit back like a coward and "allow" it like God the deadbeat father does.
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Been paralyzed quadriplegic in bed for 13yrs now after a bike accident. Stuck in bed watching the world go by. Only recently 2yrs came to Christ. He takes care of me every minute.Happy to suffer I praise him for all my pains, my everyday prayers are once my parents can't take care of me God takes me up.
We could learn a thing or two from you, you are a strong person and glory to God for helping you! God bless you and I will keep you in my prayers sir.
God bless you! Stay strong and filled with faith. My uncle had the same fate as you, and he made it. He is home in glory now, but he was my inspiration....
You remind me that we are all utterly in God's hands.
❤🙏🏻
Nothing could have prepared us for this kind of suffering, I Praise our Lord for bringing you,to Himself ❤👑🛡⚔️✝️🙌🙏
I knew my parents but my dad was very abusive then left when I was five and I was glad. My mom was and still is abusive and has caused a lot of headaches and pain for me so sometimes not knowing your parents is a blessing not a curse. Your father is our Heavenly Father ❤️🧡✝️🖤💚
Exatamente. Meus pais não me criaram. Porém hj, exigem a minha presença . Com 44 anos e casada. Confesso que é difícil manter relacionamento com pessoas que nem tive intimidade nem os conheço bem, e que quando pequena só me fizeram passar por traumas
@@hanelopesbut through the Holy Spirit living in you, you can show forgiveness and a way to the Truth
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God is the most abusive father of them all.
Actually, I have struggled for years to retain my faith in God.
I'm more likely to be faithful when everything was just fine in my life.
But in the darkest years, there is no reason for faith.
The feeling is that God exists for the world, but not for me.
Still, I cling on, I knock, I pray. Hope never dies.
Most of the biblical suffering that was quoted is about the persecution for preaching the gospel of Christ after his death, and not so much about psycho-social-economical suffering
Not true, I also used to think so but the truth is different.
Paul used the word perplexed. It's the result of Psychological suffering.
Early Christinas were living in fear of persecution from the Jews first and then Romans and were living and worshiping in fear, They were even hiding in caves. It's social suffering.
Paul talks about his own lack of money and of the fellow brethren in many occasions. Its economical suffering.
“So by suffering the Father would lead us to enter more deeply into the love of Christ. Our hearts are continually prone to wander from Him; prosperity and enjoyment all too easily satisfy us, dull our spiritual perception, and unfit us for full communion with Himself.
God allows us to suffer in the hope that, when we have found our rest in Christ in time of trouble, we shall learn to choose abiding in Him as our only portion; and when the affliction is removed, have so grown more firmly into Him, that in prosperity He still shall be our only joy.”
tbh this whole concept is the one that is the most incomprehendable. I can't agree with what Piper said, experientially, about having a closer connection to God in God inflicted suffering. at least certainly not since I finally was brought to kneel before God . my suffering in the past is understandable, I was guilty and had no right to expect anything Good when I was a sinner...He had to take nearly everything away of what little I had, broken to the point of total despair.
but post salvation I've been repeatedly been lost in despair all the more.
it seems like such a contradiction of much of the Scripture message.
is my torment punishment for sin? if I'm saved by Jesus and His complete satisfaction of the execution of judgement for sin is given to me, that means Gods Wrath is completely satisfied. so pouring out more wrath on me would be a contradiction of the perfection of Christ's rightious atonement.
So God needs to torture his subjects to make them worship him? What a piece of shit.
@@RedDeckRedemptionExactly. Reality and what the scriptures imply do not match. It is a form of manipulative abuse when you really think about it. A "God" like that can't be trusted.
But is it wrong to enjoy good things God has given all blessings As one
who has gone through much suffering,
I actually have joy when I practice music, or my photography, and writing
and use my gifts to share with others
I think life has meaning when we are
engaged in purposal activities and God
is pleased
when we suffer and believed that God is walking with us,, We rejoiced for knowing that our faith and trust in Him is not in vain. 🎉🎉🎉praise God..
Shut your hole.
Amen, He is always near and with us all through it all 💙🙏🙌
Keep telling yourself that.
may we suffer well for You Lord!
Suffering is a blinking red light that demands our attention. It's a sign that something is amiss. Physically, spiritually, emotionally. I suffer because I am seperated from my God. I suffer because I enjoy sin more than spending time with Him or doing things His way. I suffer because I do not seek His Healing for my mind, body, soul. I suffer because I allow how I handled past trauma to dictate how I handle present stress.
His yoke is easy, His burden is LIGHT.
He suffered in our place!
Whatever is causing you to suffer... imagine how that killed Jesus.
Because our suffering is nothing compared to His suffering.
God's will is done in heaven.. in heaven there is no suffering AT ALL OF ANY KIND.
God's will is no suffering at all of any kind.
We still suffer here.
Because He suffered here.
He suffered because of everything that causes our suffering.
You mourn a lost child? How much more did Jesus mourn that lost child?
How much more did that crushing loss you feel, crush Him?
Jesus wept at Lazerus' grave.
He wept at the grief of others.
He wept because it hurt Him MORE to lose Lazerus even for just a moment, even though He knew He would bring Him right back.
He wept at the lack of faith and knowing Him and His heart.
Jesus didn't take your child to teach you a lesson.
For a child to die in the womb, there is a lack or dysfunction, either in the child or the mother.
That lack or dysfunction, wherever it was, KILLED Jesus.
It destroyed Him.
So that child would no longer experience any form of lack or dysfuction...
That child is now ALIVE.
We experience lack and dysfunction (and therefore, suffering) every day of our lives.... because we are seperated from Him.
The closer we get to Him, the closer we get to the end of suffering. His yoke is easy... His burden is light.
He loves. He heals. He forgives. He cleanses. He restores. He blesses.
Don't worry about what is wrong... what hurts...
Worry about Who heals...Who restores
Draw near to Him and He will draw near to you.
God bless!
I’ve been highlighting every scripture that talks about suffering and let me tell you…suffering and being a Christian goes hand in hand.
Romans 8:18 gets me through so much.
It’s not fair. I didn’t ask to exist I don’t want to suffer
Stop looking for suffering, if you want to stop suffering. People just don't get it. You find what you look for. 😊
@@deemisquadis9437 I wasn’t looking for anything. Why did God bring me into all of this? I didn’t ask to exist why am I being forced to to have an eternal conscience? This isn’t fair.
@@Ruben27780You are correct. God's ways are not so perfect after all.
Praise be to Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! 🙏✝️😇❤️🙌
I am a person who never knew my parents. Yes God has blessed me but I still struggle with this. I see others being happy and I feel alone. No one seems to understand.
I am with you as I live a very isolated life. But, happiness is not my goal but contentment is a place I try and live. Life in Christ can be lived without expectations but with anticipation. Because of what Jesus Christ accomplished for us we can know that we are loved, accepted and forgiven. We are important, have meaning and purpose and have been equipped by the endwelling Holy Spirit and empowered to live out the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Rule of thumb: When my Christianity becomes about me, it's no longer Christianity.
It's no longer I that live, but Christ.
I know how u feel i also feel that way as well every day😢❤ God loves us really he does❤😢😢😢
Psalm 27:10❤
That has nothing to do with God. I am tryimg not to sound unsympathrtic, but God doesn't fine tune your personality according to your personal needs. It happens because you don't have the emotional resources that others have. Those resources expected your parents to be around. Humans need to grow up in a nurturing environment.
@@douglaidlaw740 Every true Christians personal and emotional needs have ALREADY been met and fulfilled "in Christ." Therefore, if I believe that I am lacking in those areas it simply boils down to unbelief. I can't project any blame on my parents or anyone else. Your response is very short sighted.
I am sooo exhausted from the constant battle. I can't handle it anymore.
Where is this perseverance and strength? When will it come?? Lord, im just so utterly exhausted. I have NEVER been able to do ANYTHING alone. Life has been one long struggle of passion and hardship, and it gives me kno solace to kno there are ppl worse of than me. I DO see u in all ur Glory in the wonder of creation and in Good times, just as i see your miracles in time of need. But when I'm differing and you're not there, i kno your will is still best, however I've no strength left to, having done all, to stand,... I'm tired. I've been waiting for this perseverance and fortitude and strength my whole life, Lord!!! Where IS IT!!!?????
How are you strong when i am weak???
Ppl are saying that they no longer expect anything from me anymore bcz i am sooo physically unable to do anything anymore, though I've never been strong. How can i rely on you when you're invisible and i CAN'T do ALL THINGS thru Christ who strengthens me, when you DON'T! NOT like they WANT!
I'm just tired, Lord.
I trust you, but plz God, plz strengthen me? Plz heal me? Restore my soul?
Have you experienced the Baptism in the Holy Spirit? He, empowers you, you actually feel it, an empowerment. Ask, God to fill you with His Holy Spirit or find a Holy Spirit filled Christian to lay their hands on you to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
If we suffer, we shall also reign with Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 2:12
• GOD •
disciplines us for his good
ThAt we mAy shAre his holiness
since CHRIST also suffered in the flesh for us ..we need to also be the part takers of CHRIST'S suffering...THOUGH CHRIST FOUND IN FLESH HE COMMITTED NO SIN...HE BACAME A SIN OFFERING FOR US ALL ..PRAISE BE TO HIS MIGHTY NAME
AND THE ABODE OF GOD IS IN OUR HEART
I think the Lord allows us to get through suffering because He wants us to make holy and pure like His song according Romans 8:29
Yes. Not allows but causes.
Wow. Thank you Tony for putting this on. Wonderful
Very helpful teaching.
There is a chain of things in Rom 5:3-4 that highlights some of the benefits of suffering for God's people:
'And not only that, but we also boast in our afflictions, because we know that affliction produces endurance, endurance produces proven character, and proven character produces hope.' (CSB)
Praise to the Lord( Jesus) and tbank you pastor John for sharing about the relationship between suffering and joy in Christ from the New Testament in Christ. Amen to
1 Thessalonians 1:6
"6 You became imitators of us❤❤❤❤❤❤ and of the Lord( Jesus😊1st❤) ; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with joy😊❤ given by the Holy Spirit."( 1 Thessalonians 1:6 ESV) and amen to Romans 5:3-5 too
"3 Not only so, but we also rejoice😊 in our sufferings, because we ❤ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ know that suffering produces perseverance❤;
4 perseverance❤, character❤, and character, hope❤.
5 And hope❤ does not disappoint us, because God(😊 100%❤) has poured out his ❤ into our hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us."( Romans 5:3-5 Zondervan NIV Study Bible)
Sometimes because sufferings for Christ also reveals God's grace in disguise. God can uses suffering to reach even more people to Himself or to Jesus our savior and Lord ( Jesus) in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( ❤ ) for others' healing for good only. Amen to Romans 5:3-5 and In Jesus'namd, i pray( Romans 5:1-11( Peace and joy)in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, James 5:14-15; Philippians 4:4😊, 4-7😊❤). Amen.
Amen to Romans 5:3-5 ( ESV)
"3 Not only so, but we also rejoice😊 in our sufferings, because we ❤ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ know that suffering produces perseverance❤;
4 perseverance❤, character❤, and character, hope❤.
5 And hope❤ does not disappoint us, because God(😊 100%❤) has poured out his ❤ into our hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us."( Romans 5:3-5 Zondervan NIV Study Bible)
❤😊. Thank you pastor John for sharing Scriptures relate to both sufferings and joy in Christ from NT too. Hope everything we share encourage and Strengthen those of us in Christ Jesus. Thank God for that brother's healing. May the Lord, Jesus continue be with him and us in Christ as we love God and love people with all our hearts, all our minds, all our souls and all our strength by God's grace in Christ. Thank God and praise the Lord( Jesus) for He is faithful and above all in all including sufferings. Sufferings can also be God's grace in disguise. I read a newspaper or magazine before, it said a phase that said, " Be thankful for the bad things in life. For( Because) they opened your eyes to the good things( God's good things or to me is Jesus' good things in Christ)
That you weren't pay attention to before" ( from that Newspaper or magazine that by God's grace, I had cut it out) and put somewhere at home in Christ❤. Hope this encourage the family of God in Christ Jesus❤. In Jesus'name, i pray( that quotes from many years ago also encourage me and hopefully it also encourage us in Christ). In Jesus'name, i pray( Romans 8:28❤). Amen.
Under the Parable of the Good Samaritan from Luke 10:25-37( The Parable of the Good Samaritan )
The Bible said,
Luke 10:27
"27 He answered: " ' Love❤ the Lord your ( our)God with all your ( our)heart and with all your ( our)soul and with all your( our) strength and with all your( or our) mind' and, ' Love your neighbor as ( as or like) yourself( or ourselve).' " ( Luke 10:27 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and parenthesis parts also for and in Christ Jesus, my Savior and Lord ( Jesus) in Christ too. In Jesus'name, i pray and share by faith in Christ with❤ only in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( Luke 10:27)..Amen.❤
God's blessings unto you ! Thanks so much for your encouragement for it comes in the right time. The enemy is trying hard. God is good all the time and He alone is good.🙏🙏💕
I've lived the Christian life for 17 years so far. I've never felt any type of joy in my suffering. I should have by now. When I read these exhortations in the bible, they are just words on paper to me.
What about in hindsight? Haven't you felt any resemblance of joy to have lived through suffering by the grace of God?
this hits hard
@@Sheri77 No. Pain is still pain not matter how you dress it up. What I have felt looking back is the gratefulness those sufferings are over. Like a woman after she gives birth.
@@Pacifica74 gratitude is a pathway to joy, they are connected.
Trying to be purposely mindful to be grateful during suffering can be difficult, can be part of the suffering I think. But the sooner we allow ourselves to think and verbally express gratitude, that will lead us to joy, or happiness for being thankful.
Wow beautiful I love this so much ❤️
Thank you for sharing this important message.
Our faith in Him is never in vain! Our suffering is purposed and what we must undergo since He who made us knows us best. There is so much pure milk of God's Word sensitively expounded here. Thank you. Many would have been helped in Hawaii that day, hearing Pastor John. These presentations are so helpful. Eyes, minds and hearts on our suffering Lord who is glorified and with us !
Why am I being forced to exist? Why would God make that choice for me and bring me into all of this? I didn’t ask for existence or an eternal conscience, this isn’t fair.
If it has to be "forced" then it's not of love. You can't have it both ways, God.
John Piper makes a very good point that the New Testament connects suffering and joy over and over again.
At first sight, suffering and joy seem to contradict each other, and I would suggest this is one of the main reasons why so-called Prosperity Gospel teaching exists. Many Christians can't understand how suffering and joy can fit together, they see that the Bible teaches joy, so they assume that Christians who are following Jesus closely shouldn't suffer. And then they explain away a multitude of biblical passages which teach that Christians can expect to suffer.
Basically, they exalt their own ability to understand above biblical revelation.
I have never felt any joy with suffering and never will. Once I learned that God actually WANTS me to suffer and even sends it my way, I closed him off completely. I shredded my Bible, shredded my gospel pamphlets, and closed my mouth from sharing the word completely, once and for all.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 I am very sorry to hear that, not only that you have suffered (I assume significantly) but also because you haven't understood what was going on.
God's will for Christians to suffer is similar to the will of parents of a child who is seriously ill with cancer to suffer while undergoing chemotherapy. The parents know that the chemo is a horrible experience, yet they know that it is going to do their kid a lot of good. So it is their will that their kid suffers under the chemo.
You seem to imagine that God sadistically delights in the sufferings of Christians, but nothing could be further from the truth. It pains God to see his children suffer, yet he does it so as to work for their good through it all.
I would encourage you to consider that your thinking on this issue might be too simplistic. You aren't seeing things right. You're not going deep enough.
I also have suffered terribly at many times in my life, but I have seen a little bit deeper than you have. I am well aware that God is billions of times bigger than I am, with a vastly deeper understanding. And God has to be good. So, if at first sight, it seems that God is treating me badly, I always become persuaded that he can't be.
I would encourage you also to return to the Lord, trusting that he is good and that he cares about you. And it isn't as if God holds suffering at arm's length anyway. The sufferings of Jesus, the God-Man on the cross are way, way beyond what any of us have been through.
(By the way, ten out of ten for the name 'oswaldcobblepot'.)
@maxaplin4204 What's even more disappointing is that an all capable "God" created no other avenue to navigate through a problem other than a slow, painful, horrific "chemotherapy" process of suffering, when he could have created a better alternative. But pain and suffering IS what God wants and he DOES intentionally inflict you with it. So don't tell me God is not a cruel sadist, because his actions prove it. I can't change the fact that God is a cruel monster, but what I CAN do is CLOSE MY MOUTH and prevent the Gospel from proceeding from my lips. I have been, and will continue to allow every lost man that God brings my way to pass on without hearing the message, so as long as it BURNS A HOLE IN GOD'S HEART, this is what I will do.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 It's too simplistic to say that because God allows suffering he must be a sadist. You are very overconfident of your ability to see the big picture.
The degree of bitterness you have is also quite something. You seem perfectly happy for people - who obviously have not wronged you in any way - to miss out on salvation just so you can inflict greater pain on God. That is very warped. You are prioritising hurting God over helping people.
Your attitude reminds me of the examples we sometimes see of a man who has been wronged by his wife, who hurts his own children to hurt his wife in revenge. His mindset is so full of hatred that he is prepared to see his own children suffer as long as his wife suffers. You seem to be prioritising hate over love, which is no way to live. It is destructive for everyone involved, not least yourself.
Our life our choice. God doesn't want to see you suffer, he wants you to believe in him, and stop the suffering. ❤🤗😇
Look……
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Its is that when we hold fast in faith to Jesus through suffering that we glorify God. I hope when you have the time you would read the book of Job and the book of Philippians. Peace and love to you.
@aletheia8054 So in other words, God's will is to torture his own children.
I wish I understood better …. I will pray on it & re-listen … Thankyou💕
GoD is more precious then whAt i lose
AnD GOD is more precious then whAt I gAin
AnD so is every person ALL SO
THAT is the meAning of these words
BecAusE it does include GOD
TO LOVE GOD AND TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF IS THE WHOLE OF THE LAW
in the New Testament
Please pray for me, I am under a lot of stress at work.
I prayed for you, hoping it gets better for you or another opportunity comes your way
@@wendyjones1136 thank you Wendy
Hallelujah
He doesn’t will that we suffer but He allows it and promises to use it for good. We have nothing to fear and we ultimately have eternal life! That’s how we can suffer joyfully - He doesn’t willingly afflict. Also we have the promise of discipline. Determinism is false.
For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.
Lamentations 3:33
Discipline happens to make us more Holy.
In the context of an adult Christian this makes sense, and is biblical.
I struggle with understanding the point of suffering in abused young children. Any thoughts on how this can promote God's glory or make anyone more holy?
Whatever, I’m comfortable with myself, even if I’m a loser and a failure to god. I’m not a soldier, a warrior or a tough strong christian, I’m just this boring worthless me, it’s who I am. I hate the system that everything is always for the strong and tough and it’s those people that give people like me a bad name. I enjoy life whether god likes it or not, too bad he can’t be happy for me and accept the way I am.
AND for someone thAt you hAve hurt
Including God
❤❤❤
BecausE hurting yourself is true pAin
This was extremely comforting. I shared it on my Facebook and with a mom that lost her little 8 year old boy Marcus to brain cancer. I looked for the full sermon I could not find the RUclips channel. Why would you not put the link in the description of this video? If you could please do that, it would be great. Thank you.
In what way is this comforting? I found it just the absolute opposite. I hated the video. It’s very very insulting to people like me. But of course god only cares for the strong and tough anyway, that which I’m not. I hate god.
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It has brought me much closer to His Majesty.
No, it hasn't.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 Get behind me Lucifer. On your belly you will go.
@@michaelschaffran3948 Oh yeah? Guess what that didn't work. Curse you and your God to Hell.
its cAlled drinking Hennesy to stAy wArm in the winter
ANd A wArrior does not hurt himself
ONLY his enemy which is the devil
All bad things happen for good reasons. We have to train to be strong. You don't just become strong. We have trials, because we wanted to be the strongest of the strongest. The harder our lives the stronger we become. I started training at birth. We all did, we just chose different paths. There are no trials it is learning, building soldiers of the future. Those who can do it to the end shall be the strongest of the strongest. 😇🤗💯
Do be quiet,
That’s your own opinion, that’s why you didn’t quote a scripture to say bad things happen for a good reason. Because it’s not true.
Some people are dealings with horrible things and you’re saying it’s for good reasons, even though you don’t know them or the suffering or the reasons.
Keep telling yourself that. A good father always protects his own from evil. A deadbeat father like God sits back and watches.
AND the wAges of sin is the world
AND it does meAn hurting yourself ALSO
The Abode of SAtAN is in the heAvenly reAlm
Am I allowed to use this when I do something that dissatisfies another person? Or is this another "rules for thee but not for me" ?
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time
Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord,
that Satan also came among them
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places
The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it"
Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour
Bathing us in one truth from the New Testament
1) Romans 5:3
2) James 1:2
3) 1 Peter 4:13
4) Hebrews 10:34
5) Act 5:41
6) 2 Corinthian 12:9
7) Philippians 2:17
8) Colossians 1:24
9) 1 Thessalonians 1:6
10) 2 Corinthians 8:1, 4
Because a father that doesn't beat (discipline) his children, doesn't love them. We wouldn't learn.
Tell that to all the kids who cried out to God for help and got nothing as they were being raped and beaten. "That was God disciplining you because he loves you." You are equally as SICK as that deadbeat who calls himself God.
Jesus came to save the world and undo the works of the devil. His disciples healed people, cast out demons, raised the dead and Jesus said, greater things than this, you will do, even calm storms and move mountains. So, what happened? Did Jesus lie, did he fail? Of course not, many Christians have done miracles and continue to do miracles. My hypothesis for why the world isn't as perfect as Jesus said it could be is this, as Jesus warned, wolves have crept in, false teachers abound, lies replaced truth. So who is harmed, but those causing the problems. Sad indeed. Feed the sheep and let the little child lead you, instead of feeding the sheep to the wolves.
Unwanted singleness is suffering
Blessed are those who are persecuted on account of me you will face persecution you can't love God and MAMMON -(wealth) either you will love one and hate the other or love neither.. if you teach we are saved by grace ALONE BY FAITH ALONE how do you claim not to love WEALTH CREATED TEACHING US TO DESIRE GOD?? WOE TO WHO?? WHO MUST LEAVE THEIR WEALTH & GIVE IT AWAY TO POOR TO BE GREAT IN KINGDOM AND WHO WILL BE SAVED BY GRACE BUT SUFFER LOSS IN PURGATORY OF 1 COR 3:15 NOR BE ONE OF THOSE TOLD WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT?? WOE TO WHO BY GRACE ALONE NEGLECTING GREATEST 2 COMMANDS SUMMARIZING ALL LAW AND PROPHETS BY GRACE ALONE??
You mean like single people whose affliction of unwanted singleness is treated like nothingC and in fact, not only are they
Insulted and criticised for the assumptions that people have about singleness, but they’re not allowed to be sad about being single or that they’re being treated poorly by married people because.
Can’t win. Meanwhile married people moan about anything and everything. Including things CHOSE.
And they’re treated like martyrs.
I stopped listening to several pastors/teachers a few years ago when I heard them teaching the narrative of the liberal Left. This will be the first time in 3-4 years listening to Desiring God. I don't remember the details, and can't even remember the names, just the faces, of those teachers. It saddens me and makes me sick when I see Christians who know what sanctification is, and especially teachers and preachers, allowing the doctrines of the world into their hearts, their churches, and their lives.
I believe that for some it's coming from an honest, but misled, attempt to do the right thing. For others, it's because they want the world to love them and THEIR church, and to have their churches full. I've missed some of these pastors. But, a little leavine leavines the whole loaf. I guess I have decided to not listen to this after all. 😢
That title is a lie.
No, it’s not
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
God doesn't WI suffering on anyone. 😢
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Yes he does. And once you learn that it's ultimately God who orchestrates all your suffering, you'll turn your back.
Desiring God, God will allow what we allow. If we allow sickness pain and suffering, instead of taking our God given authority and commanding them to go,
Then God will allow it.
But God wants everyone to be free from suffering.
The choice is ours, Not God's.
This is heresy and a tenant of the prosperity gospel. There is no “name it and claim it”.
@th6252 I know John Piper is a heretic. he must believe that God is a sinful dictator who is the author of every bad and evil things.
As for health and prosperity, anyone who knows the Bible will know that it teaches it.
But most Christians have been religiously brainwashed instead of Biblically brought up, as you have proved.
As for "Name it and claim it"
Jesus said we can have what we say. And people are a living proof of it, because they have got what they have said, but sadly in having bad things.
The Biblical Greek for Confession,
As in Jesus being the Apostle and High Priest of our Confession,
Heb 3: 1.
is, "Agreeing with God and saying the same as God".
And God said Jesus has already healed us.
And God delights when His people prosper. He even gives His people the power to prosper.
But naughty people like you either don't know the Bible or you love calling God a liar.
Either way, shame on you.
@@th6252heresy indeed
So, the only time a child will be abused is if the child allows themselves to be abused?
Not only is this train of thought entirely unbiblical, but is utterly illogical.
Please say no to drugs.
@m____w____6981 I was talking about born again Christians allowing things to happen to them.
I thought you would have had the intelligence to know that.
As for bad thing happens to children.
(1) If the parents are Christians and know the Bible, they can protect their children by covering them with the blood of Jesus and their God given authority.
As for bad thing happening to other children and people.
If you knew the Bible, you would know that the devil is the god of this world, he is behind bad and evil things.
No. It is NEVER God's will that we suffer. Satan comes to steal, kill and to destroy. We are to STAND FIRM in our faith for the devil goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. God never puts suffering on you to teach you a lesson that is insane!
Yes. God’s children are supposed to suffer. The Bible just literally says so.
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
@@aletheia8054 Maybe you thrive on arguing with people about religion but I do not. I know what God's word says Hon and I don't need you to police my opinion on the matter.
@@hammerbrit69 Well, I’m not your hon. And God’s word literally says….
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
@@aletheia8054I reject Philippians 1:29 because I don't accept forced suffering. God can send it my way but all it will do is drive me further and further away from him. I will make sure of it.
@@oswaldcobblepot502 Ok
OSAS is false, and salvation is the central theme of Scripture, so you need to know this.
One sin is sufficient to damn a soul, even to the righteous. One sin cut the whole race off from God: "By one man sin entered into the world.... by one man's offense death reigned. ... by the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation.... by one man's disobedience many were made [constituted] sinners" (Rom. 5:12-21; Gen. 2:17; 3:1-19). One sin, whether committed before or after a person is saved, will have the same effect that the one original sin had. "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity . . . All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned . . . in the sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die .... for his iniquity that he bath done shall he die" (Ezek. 18:24- 26). Again "The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression.... for the iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it (Ezek. 33:12-20).
One sin cursed the whole race (Rom. 5:12-21); Cain (Gen. 4:8-13; 1 John 3:12); Pharaoh and Egypt (Ex. 3:2; Rom. 9:15-23); Nadab and Abihu (Lev. 10:1-7); Achan (Josh. 7); Gehazi (2 Ki. 5:20-27); Judas (Acts 1:25); Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11); and many others (1 Tim. 1:19, 20; 2:14; 5:11, 12, 15, 20; 6:10; 2 Tim. 2:18, 26; 4:10; Heb. 4:11; 1 Cor. 10:1-18; Jas. 2:10; etc.).
One sin caused Lucifer and one third of the angels to fall (Isa. 14:12-14). One sin caused angels to be sent to Hell (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6, 7).
God revealed that one sin would cut men off from Him. This is His own law and He cannot be just and truthful if He does not enforce it (Gen. 2:17; Ezek. 3:18-21; 18:4, 13, 18, 20, 24, 26; 33:9, 12, 13, 18; John 8:34; Rom. 6:23; 8:12-13; Gal. 6:7, 8; Jas. 2:10; 1 John 3:8). Many times God promised to "cut off" any man that committed certain sins (Gen. 17:14; Ex. 9:15; 12:15, 19; 30:23, 38; 31:14; Lev. 7:20- 21, 25, 27; 17:4-14; 18:29; 19:8; 20:3-18; 22:3; 23:29; Num. 9:13; 15:30, 31; 19:13, 20; Ezek. 14:8; Mal. 2:12; Rom. 11:22, 24). The phrase "cut off" means destroyed in death and “cut off from my presence" (Lev. 22:3; Ps. 109:13-15; Zec. 13:8; Matt. 24:51; Luke 12:46; Rom. 11:22-24).
Sin committed is as much sin one time as it is another. It is as much sin to the saved as to the unsaved. It is the sin itself that is sin, and the time it is committed does not make it unrighteousness at one time and righteousness at another, or sin to one and not to another. Any transgression of the law is sin, whether before or after one is saved, and the penalty for the broken law must be enforced without exception, as well after salvation as before. To reason that sin is not sin when committed by saints, or if committed after salvation, is poor reasoning, and the very devil himself would blush at being accused of such utter lack of intelligence.
Whenever one sins he must, for the time being, cease to be holy. He must stand condemned and must incur the full penalty of the law that the one sin of Adam incurred, or God would be a respecter of persons and a party to selfishness and sin. If He broke the law which He and all free wills are obligated to keep, He would be a sinner. If man does not incur the penalty, then the law is abrogated and he has no rule of duty- consequently, he cannot be either holy or sinful. The penalty cannot be abrogated unless the law itself it abrogated, for precept without penalty is no law. It is only counsel or advice. If God's law is merely advice, then there are no sinners to be saved, there is no need of a Saviour, and the whole plan of the Bible is a sham.
A man is damned for breaking the law of God and for his own sins, and that 👉 the sin of rejecting Jesus is merely the last sin that seals the doom of man for his own sins and for original sin. 👈 Only past sins are forgiven (Rom.3:25; 2 Pt.1:8-9; Eze.18:24-26). If you fall into temptation, following the devil and your flesh, then repent again for justification with all sincereity (Eze.18:30-32; 1 Jn.1:9; Rev.2:5, 16, 21-22; 3:3, 19), not giving God lip service so you can get away with living after your fleshly desires... that will not work (Gal.6:7-8). Temptation will always be the lot of the child of God, but no sin need be committed and no self-condemnation need be indulged in just because of the presence of temptation (Heb. 2:18; 4:14-16; 1 Cor. 10:12-13; 1 Pet. 1:6-7; 4:12; 5:8-9; James 1:2-12; 4:7).
Yes, it’s false. It’s not once saved always saved. It’s always saved.
@@aletheia8054
That implies you are a universalist
@@aletheia8054
It also shows that you don’t care what Scripture says since so many were given to you
@@millionsvanished Mighty quick to judge there ain’t ya?
@@aletheia8054
No. I just understand language.
Stop conflating God (from Genesis 1) with the LORD (from Genesis 2) and the Bible will make a lot more sense.
No, they are 2 different ways of referring to the one true God.
@@maxaplin4204
Deciever of the whole world.
@@ready1fire1aim1 You would need to be a bit more specific. Who or what is a deceiver of the whole world?
@@maxaplin4204
Genesis 2 character Yahweh Elohim. Usually translated as LORD God since the Tetragrammaton grammatically blocks adding the "of".
But just as Genesis 1 is Ruach Elohim and we say Spirit of God (nobody says Spirit God thats not how English works), it's the same for Genesis 2 Yahweh Elohim so we should add the 'of' to LORD of God usurper character that we first read about in the 2nd creation account in Genesis 2.
Also known as the LORD your God deciever character later in the Bible. He says that a lot when not genociding, ordering deaths of children, accepting child sacrifice, condoning slavery and making you kill your relatives, friends and neighbors.
Genesis 2 guy Yahweh is the bad guy and his Spirit of the LORD is the perverse Spirit and angel of darkness.
@@maxaplin4204
Also, Yahweh was adopted (from the broader Levantine polytheism). Let that sink in haha.
Yahweh got kicked out of Heaven (off Heavenly Mt Saphon) in the Baal (title meaning Lord) Cycle. His epithets were the Dragon, the Twisting Serpent and the Seven-headed Monster.
Yahweh was anthropomorphized on earth in the OT.
He's a tool for knowing Good from Evil which is a major recurring theme throughout OT, NT and Quran. At the time of the crucifixion Genesis 1 left the body so that it was the human Genesis 2 that was crucified. That spiritual warfare cost Yahweh his Book of Revelation hell on earth nonsense and his earthly body.
Now Yahweh is Allah of the Quran and is transcendent or whatever.
If you want a cushy life, with no suffering, Christianity is not for you. It cost Jesus and others their lives. Suffering is how you learn from adversity, like the butterfly that needed to struggle when emerging from its cocoon, or it wasn't strong enough to survive.
All you're saying is that Jesus and anyone who follows him are masochists. And that I'm a bad person for not adopting such a self-loathing perspective.
There are other ways to learn without forcing someone to suffer against their will. Only a cruel tyrant operates like that. A loving father is supposed to protect his own from evil. Not sit back like a coward and "allow" it like God the deadbeat father does.
🔴Sick demented title. I won't even waste my time.