In a way, I left the doc feeling sorry for him. The amount of pressure his parents put in him. Never having a childhood where he was allowed to make mistakes and learn lessons. It was kind of inevitable honestly.
It's got to be incredibly difficult to be in a position of power, man or woman, with people throwing themselves at you all day, every day. It's not just limited to sports, politicians, CEO's and whatever other celebrities in any area. We only hear about the one's in the public eye, we don't hear about the CEO from whatever Fortune 500 company being caught with however many mistresses. We would have never heard about Jeffrey Epstein if he didn't have high profile friends (disgusting individual). Anyway, I'm not here to make excuses for them what they did was wrong but it's also something the average person will never understand. Ron White had a great quote about Tiger and said that nobody ever mentions all the strange he turned down and one of his wife's friends had an affair and she said it happened 1 time, he had 1 opportunity. It's easier to turn it down 1 time rather than 5,000,000 times. Just my $0.02
Enjoyed this section of the podcast and I agree with Rick 100%. It should have been called “Eldrick.” Hard to see your childhood idol in a different light but in a way it made him more human. My fiancé didn’t really take a liking too the film or Tiger as well. But this would be another example of what can happen to a person when they grow up in the lime light too quickly. He made his mistakes later in his life. Generally you learn from your mistakes young and learn from there. Still a big fan of Tiger. Especially in today’s golf world. I’d say he has learned from his mistakes pretty well.
Personally, I feel that anyone holding any sports person up as a role model for our kids is being completely unfair. They are after all only human. More than capable of making the same mistakes that the rest of us make. Sure, admire their performances in the sports arenas and encourage all to aim to replicate or improve on those perfmances. Anything they do in their personal lives should be left there and they allowed to deal with them like all of the rest of us are. I admire Tiger for his sports performances. He is one of a kind and it will be a long time before those performances are bested. As for his personal life, I feel for the guy. An area that undoubtably his parents did not do a good enough job of teaching him how to behave. Will his personal judgements affect my thoughts on him as a sportsman? No, and nor should they in my opinion. Would I aim or recomend anyone to replicate his personal life? Never. I hope that I do my job as a parent and teach my own kids how to live their lives in a way they can be pround of.
Tiger Woods screwed up his personal life really badly, particularly with the serial episodes of infidelity with very expensive hookers and women who wanted a piece of him. His error was that he forgot, like many celebrities do, that he is human, and except for the best golf game ever played, he's not all that special after all, being merely human. His ex wife signed on to that lifestyle, after all. He done her wrong, but she came out of that one of the wealthiest women in the world. The fact that she remarried to an even bigger fortune says a bit about her mercenary tendencies. Gold diggers gotta dig, you know. Tiger owned up to his faults and past. He's trying to be the best dad he can, and I think Earl's legacy is best seen in Tiger's work after his divorce and the collapse of his endorsement empire, to rehabilitate himself in his kid's eyes more than anything else.
Agree 100%. Plus I think to be in the sport elite you have to be so competitive that chances are good that you are really not gonna be happy. I mean, this people train and porsue their goals beyond the obsession line. Is that a good recipe for a balanced life and happiness? I seriously doubt it.
Thanks Rick. You finally gave me the incentive to watch the documentaries. Wow!!! I still don't know what to think but I'm grateful to have watched it, thanks to your comments.
So much shit in here it's insane I'm sorry! He is an elite sportsman. Like any other sportsman, musician, etc... you don't idolise them because how good of a father/mother they are, you idolise them because of what they achieve professionally. I've always loved him because he has made my love this sport more than any other, and that'll never change! You don't like someone famous for it's background stuff! Everyone makes mistakes, he apologised for them and that is it! Life goes on! He still has a very good relationship with his exwife. I'm sure that you guys have made mistakes during your lives but that doesn't gonna make someone love you or hate you more. And I'm pretty sure Tiger has had a pretty tough background life despite all the early success! He is the greatest and we'll miss him when he isn't around us any more. I can't believe someone who has cheered for him for almost 25 years know sees him in any other way, that is stupid.
Well said!! .. and same thing with Kobe! I grew up a Lakers fan starting in 1988, and when he started his career ten years later, I was blessed to watch his whole career as the guy on my team whom grown and became legendary... When he got hit with the rape case, it sucked, but it doesn't scratch what he did on court. We're all human and nobody is perfect
Each period, Each sport has had idols that leveraged the individuals' passion. Tiger is one among those. His charisma, attitude and behaviour raised the performance to another level. Wish him a full recovery despite we' all can suspect it might take some time.
It was tough viewing that an individual can treat people so shabby , I’d a sense of dislike a little more , the firing of his caddy Sw was shocking too , and the sense of entitlement and getting people to do your dirty business also , what saves him is people only think of the golf and are so quick not to think of the other antics.
That might've been what I thought was the most unforgivable actions by him; as terrible as it is to treat your wife like that you get why one cheats. To just give people who love you the total cold shoulder is just disgusting.
Documentaries are always made with the filmmakers biases included. It’s not excuse making for tiger, but they chose to portray him in a more negative light on purpose. They did suggest he is a nuanced person, but he seems like a very good father now, which wasn’t discussed. He seems like a person who had more demons than we’ll ever know and has battled through them. None of us can ever know what it’s like to be a top 5 famous person in the world. It’s impossible. I’m not saying it’s excusable to be a sex addict. I’m saying none of us can imagine the pressure and living that experience. The film maker chose to make Tiger seem dirty rather than human. I felt gross watching it and felt empathy for a broken soul yearning for something more. Finally, millions of people all across the world of every race have embraced Tiger Woods. The film makers decided to use Tiger as a pawn for their ideology. Tigers father suggests throughout the documentary that he hopes tiger can be a racial healer. Tiger has been that. He’s paved the way for plenty of minority golfers to succeed and be loved. He’s made millions doing that. But continually shoving the racial narrative down the viewers throat was one of the major negatives of the film for me.
Focused way more on his past rather than his comeback in my opinion. THEY BROKE DOWN THE GATES AT EAST LAKE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Tiger is and will always be the 🐐
In my opinion they should’ve included much more footage of golf tournaments, stretched the docuseries out to 3 or 4 episodes. They definitely rushed through some of the actual golf parts.
To keep it short, we are a product of our upbringing, other gods of sports were his running mates in Vagas, and the documentary allowed me to see tiger as a human and not an invincible higher being, i.e. God or whatever. But to recognize his growth after all how he is more personable now.
Tiger lived a very sheltered structured life up until he was on his own (without Earl) so it was no surprise when all the goodies that come along with being someone like Tiger Woods the Mega Star he would indulge in them. (Kid in the candy shop for the first time if you may) I don’t hold it against him, because I have a sense of why and it’s perfectly understandable.
I like the documentary. It gave me a better understanding of tiger. I don’t think anything less then tiger, I still like him. He was basically a billionaire at age 30 with the weight of the world on his shoulders. I think most people would have problems with that kind of pressure.
I'm surprised you guys didn't discuss how he completely cut out friends/loved ones/his caddy. People who had done so much for him and been a huge part of his life and success, and he cut them out like it was nothing
yeah, that was totally bizarre. And stranger still is they seem to maintain their loyalty to him to some degree. It's hard to determine if they view him as a child requiring protection, or perhaps it's a some weird twist on Stockholm syndrome.
I was a bit shocked as well...however, the first thing that came to my mind was, his problem was like a drug addict. I also thought about the many many entertainers, sports figures that has/had this addiction.
It was a smear piece. People look at these celebrities as these perfect god-like creatures. They’re not. Behind the money and the fame they’re just as fragile and mortal as the rest of us. They get caught up believing they’re the former rather than the latter.
Does Tiger’s off course behaviour matter? The golf ball doesn’t care about the character of the player hitting it. Why do some people believe that golf is a metaphor for life? The idea of competitive sport is to find the best team or player not to find the best human being.
There have been rumors that Earl came from Military Intelligence, which I think is true. Now, just think back on Army Intel projects from the early 1960s & connect the possible "DOTS".
He's dad said he was going to do bigger things than golf and Tiger says his foundation is going to be bigger than his golf,if that is true that means his dad will end up being correct. Tiger also has said he loved base ball but started going to golf with his dad and fell in love with it.He then said to his dad I want to play golf so his dad said fine but you must put everything into it so that's not forcing him its just making him practise just like I did with my son. If I'm spending big money on golf equipment you better bloody use them.
Rick, you should read the Tiger Woods biography they put out a couple of years ago. It shows a bigger picture of Tiger's life than this HBO special did. The HBO special was very kind to Tiger, in my estimation (after reading the book).
The guy personal life shouldn't make a difference. I admire him for his accomplishments and everything golf. The question is was his relationship faults his or his father's. Knowing his father personal life is it hard to imagine?
Great discussion once again. Just love the podcasts. It’s like Rick said - there are two people - tiger the supreme golfer and Eldrick the not so nice person who has acted horribly to family and friends.
I find it interesting that someone could watch the full doc and come away hating him more and not seeing that he is the product of a seriously detrimental pressure cooker of an upbringing.
His dad destroyed him in the same way as many other child stars parents have (MJ etc). Very telling that he was forced to dump his 1st girlfriend and that when he told his teachers he wanted to try other sports his dad said no. He is human and made mistakes but his father played a big part in that
Still doesn't justify what he did to his wife his kids or his caddy and friend. He's an adult and despite his upbringing still knew right from wrong. A bigger asshole of a man will be hard to find.
@@brianangell5317 There are so many bigger assholes, you just aren't looking hard enough. Cheating is SO common nowadays. Getting caught, not so much. Also, I agree with Allan, having a horrible upbringing like that is OF COURSE going to set you up to fuck up at some point. Bad parents + pressure + stardom at an early age + no rules that come with fame and money = recipe for disaster.
Geez...all of these people in life having affairs, but what about Tiger!? Seems like some affairs are like water of a duck's back...or maybe it's a swans back.
Real question.. Am I weird for this? I've always found it weird how enthralled people get in the personal lives of celebrities. Ive struggled with this concept since I was a child when I'd hear adults talking about who some random celeb was dating or their relationship with their parents, children etc, and then to developed DEEP real love/hate opinions about them based on the sliver of a person we get was/is just strange. This isn't just a Tiger thing for me, I struggle with this concept when considering people's reactions to celebs whose work I'm completely indifferent about. Its just really odd to me. I've always viewed celebs and athletes as people whose job it is to be famous, but who are just people at the end of it all, that they are as fallible as the people who observe them on screen and develope love/hate relationship with pixilated versions of them. I struggle with differentiating that behavior from something like a person developing intense love/hate relationships with Mario Brothers, Batman, or James Bond.
The cheating was to due to Tiger being brought up with no social life. What little he had his parents controlled. Not making excuses for him but he was attempting to make up for all the experiences his parents stole from him
I enjoy this kind of chat as much as the next man- but with Tiger I feel he makes his desire for privacy clear in a respectable enough way- that the documentary makes me uncomfortable. Sure if its the Kardashians who live off putting it all out for show- talk about them until the cows come home. But if someone has made a commitment to deal with his struggles privately and projects that to the public- I think it should be respected
If acted this same way without a wife and kids, would it upset you less? His dad didnt set the greatest example in that way, but Jordan and Barkley introduced him to what world. Also you guys*and myself) probably have no idea how closed off your world becomes when youre that well known, One of the most interesting things I found about TIger was that he would scuba dive to escape that, which was something Jerry Garcia did as well. Maybe the only thing they have in common.
A lot of it was also manipulated for effect, Phil at the Masters as an example, he said that comment on the 13th, the narrator then stated that Phil capitulated but they were showing shots from the previous 12 holes? Made me mistrust a lot of the information presented and lost a lot of credibility in my eyes
I felt like it was definitely a smear piece on him and ignored some important information about him. I didn’t like the high school girlfriend having an hour in there also, seemed very unnecessary
first ep was up there with last dance, then 2nd ep just giving loads of shine to strippers and gutter press.... real shame. they couldv literally done a last dance on tiger, loads of tournament footage (surprisingly little in this doc)
I rolled up to the range last week (before the States got hit with all this ice/white crap) listening to the RS podcast. After I got to my hitting bay, some old man next to me struck up a conversation and asked if I've ever heard of RS while recommended his videos. You got people across the pond in the Midwest talking about you. Think you made it buddy.
Tiger is a god that's the thing, he will be the best anyone has ever been at golf. Forever. No one will reach his level again, training like that breaks the body we now know. Likely that poor Bryson will follow, though I hope not. The documentary tried and failed understanding the man. As did his friends, with their so called support. When you win as much as he did, you feel differently. When you work as hard as he did, you earn different things. So family man can bash the god from the couch, but he should stick to what he knows. Be a sweet man, leave the winning to the winners. Tiger is a great dad, like his father. His wife took sail with a ton of money, no need to feel super sorry for her. His kids are fine.
You cant imagine being the most popular person on the planet. The pressures from family and the entire golfing community. Oh and by the way being black.
Not condoning Earl's or Tiger's actions, but I really felt like this was none of our business. Its Tiger and his family's problem. Not mine. I definitely felt bad for watching it and learning these details. Made me sad for all involved, including Tiger. I also felt like they stopped the personal story with the crash. What about the last several years? He seems to be a good dad. Why didn't they share that with world? Answer - not dirty enough.
@@bobmoore4010 I know he won A major afterwards but I think after Y.E. Yang beat him at the PGA he didn’t know how to handle it mentally, then the tabloid stuff came out and his body broke down. He had those good years from 2010-2014 where he still won a lot but never a major and I think that was why.
Nearly every child prodigy who fail to have a proper childhood / teen years will at sometime rebel at play out adolescence in later life . I couldn’t give two Flying hoots what Tiger does in the bedroom .. honestly He should be solely judged on what he does on the golf course . He is without doubt one of the greatest sportsman to have ever lived .. and there can be no arguments in that .
"I can't imagine lying to my wife's face like that" ..lol yes you can but you don't have those kinds of temptations so I guess you don't have to worry Rick
There are a lot more professional golfers today with childhoods just the same as tigers, but they have something he hasn’t got, a personality, great golfer you can never take that away from him. I hate him playing any televised tournaments now, the leaders could be 5 or6 shots clear playing out of their skins , tiger will be playing average golf at best then he’ll hit one miracle shot the cameras stay on him, the commentators “ tiger making his move now watch this leader board change now the leaders will be looking over their shoulders now the tiger is roaring” the he goes back to average golf but the cameras stay with him, this spoils my enjoyment of the coverage
Opinions are like anuses; everybody has one, and they all stink. Stick to club tests, comparisons and instruction. Leave human bashing to politicians and movie critics.
I agree that the cheating on his wife was wrong but he is only human and still the greatest golfer I have ever seen. I still think he is a positive influence for many people. He has overcome so much. One can only imagine all he has been through.
Watched a few of your podcasts. Like the subjects and the casual atmosphere. But, your co-host, talks too fast and it’s difficult to understand. Especially if you are not used to the accents. Speaking for people like me from Montreal, Canada.
I haven’t seen it yet but I don’t think it would change my opinion of him as my opinion of him is purely based on his professional career and his incredible achievements! it would not surprise me to find out that he is a horrible human being that only thinks of himself but then what do I care “HE’S TIGER WOODS”
The whole thing was a bit of a soap really. Earl was a dick, his wife was a doormat, tiger was a messed up kid who could play golf like a god. Pretty much the stuff we all knew anyway. Golfer, one of the best. Person, forgettable.
I’ve never played golf but heard it was good and watched it and after I came out liking him a lot. He’s definitely the GOAT of golf and Ik it’s fucked up to cheat but like fuck it if I was him I’d probably get bored with my wife too fuck it I’m going to Vegas baby
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In a way, I left the doc feeling sorry for him. The amount of pressure his parents put in him. Never having a childhood where he was allowed to make mistakes and learn lessons. It was kind of inevitable honestly.
Yep, the upbringing was horrible for him. I wonder if he sees it that way.
It's got to be incredibly difficult to be in a position of power, man or woman, with people throwing themselves at you all day, every day. It's not just limited to sports, politicians, CEO's and whatever other celebrities in any area. We only hear about the one's in the public eye, we don't hear about the CEO from whatever Fortune 500 company being caught with however many mistresses. We would have never heard about Jeffrey Epstein if he didn't have high profile friends (disgusting individual). Anyway, I'm not here to make excuses for them what they did was wrong but it's also something the average person will never understand. Ron White had a great quote about Tiger and said that nobody ever mentions all the strange he turned down and one of his wife's friends had an affair and she said it happened 1 time, he had 1 opportunity. It's easier to turn it down 1 time rather than 5,000,000 times. Just my $0.02
Enjoyed this section of the podcast and I agree with Rick 100%. It should have been called “Eldrick.” Hard to see your childhood idol in a different light but in a way it made him more human. My fiancé didn’t really take a liking too the film or Tiger as well. But this would be another example of what can happen to a person when they grow up in the lime light too quickly. He made his mistakes later in his life. Generally you learn from your mistakes young and learn from there. Still a big fan of Tiger. Especially in today’s golf world. I’d say he has learned from his mistakes pretty well.
No, nope, he hasn't learned anything.
Personally, I feel that anyone holding any sports person up as a role model for our kids is being completely unfair. They are after all only human. More than capable of making the same mistakes that the rest of us make. Sure, admire their performances in the sports arenas and encourage all to aim to replicate or improve on those perfmances.
Anything they do in their personal lives should be left there and they allowed to deal with them like all of the rest of us are.
I admire Tiger for his sports performances. He is one of a kind and it will be a long time before those performances are bested.
As for his personal life, I feel for the guy. An area that undoubtably his parents did not do a good enough job of teaching him how to behave.
Will his personal judgements affect my thoughts on him as a sportsman? No, and nor should they in my opinion.
Would I aim or recomend anyone to replicate his personal life? Never. I hope that I do my job as a parent and teach my own kids how to live their lives in a way they can be pround of.
Tiger Woods screwed up his personal life really badly, particularly with the serial episodes of infidelity with very expensive hookers and women who wanted a piece of him. His error was that he forgot, like many celebrities do, that he is human, and except for the best golf game ever played, he's not all that special after all, being merely human.
His ex wife signed on to that lifestyle, after all. He done her wrong, but she came out of that one of the wealthiest women in the world. The fact that she remarried to an even bigger fortune says a bit about her mercenary tendencies. Gold diggers gotta dig, you know.
Tiger owned up to his faults and past. He's trying to be the best dad he can, and I think Earl's legacy is best seen in Tiger's work after his divorce and the collapse of his endorsement empire, to rehabilitate himself in his kid's eyes more than anything else.
Agree!
Agree 100%. Plus I think to be in the sport elite you have to be so competitive that chances are good that you are really not gonna be happy. I mean, this people train and porsue their goals beyond the obsession line. Is that a good recipe for a balanced life and happiness? I seriously doubt it.
The hard thing to do is to love Tiger even more. And that’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to love him even more.
Lindsey Fouriron 😂. Not made it to the clubhouse just yet but that's the best thing I've heard from Guy
Thanks Rick. You finally gave me the incentive to watch the documentaries. Wow!!! I still don't know what to think but I'm grateful to have watched it, thanks to your comments.
I didn’t learn anything new but it was still really enjoyable, was a great watch 🐅😁
So much shit in here it's insane I'm sorry! He is an elite sportsman. Like any other sportsman, musician, etc... you don't idolise them because how good of a father/mother they are, you idolise them because of what they achieve professionally. I've always loved him because he has made my love this sport more than any other, and that'll never change! You don't like someone famous for it's background stuff! Everyone makes mistakes, he apologised for them and that is it! Life goes on! He still has a very good relationship with his exwife. I'm sure that you guys have made mistakes during your lives but that doesn't gonna make someone love you or hate you more. And I'm pretty sure Tiger has had a pretty tough background life despite all the early success! He is the greatest and we'll miss him when he isn't around us any more. I can't believe someone who has cheered for him for almost 25 years know sees him in any other way, that is stupid.
Well said!! .. and same thing with Kobe!
I grew up a Lakers fan starting in 1988, and when he started his career ten years later, I was blessed to watch his whole career as the guy on my team whom grown and became legendary... When he got hit with the rape case, it sucked, but it doesn't scratch what he did on court.
We're all human and nobody is perfect
Each period, Each sport has had idols that leveraged the individuals' passion. Tiger is one among those. His charisma, attitude and behaviour raised the performance to another level. Wish him a full recovery despite we' all can suspect it might take some time.
It was tough viewing that an individual can treat people so shabby , I’d a sense of dislike a little more , the firing of his caddy Sw was shocking too , and the sense of entitlement and getting people to do your dirty business also , what saves him is people only think of the golf and are so quick not to think of the other antics.
the caddie deserved to be fired.
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Are you serious ???
@@pb12661 on what basis? Do you have some info that wasn’t in the documentary? Seems they were pretty tight before?
What do you think about how Steve Williams was treated? Those two were so close with Tiger even being his best man at his wedding!
Yuh that was cold iono how I feel about that , I gotta hear tigers side
It was horrible for us normal people, but, tiger is not normal. He had a fucked up childhood.
That might've been what I thought was the most unforgivable actions by him; as terrible as it is to treat your wife like that you get why one cheats. To just give people who love you the total cold shoulder is just disgusting.
It real Michael Jackson story, childhood removed, pressure, pressure by driven parents.
Any wonder he snapped they way he did.
There's more than one documentary on Tiger. Help me out here.
Been listening to these podcasts for hours today!
Documentaries are always made with the filmmakers biases included. It’s not excuse making for tiger, but they chose to portray him in a more negative light on purpose. They did suggest he is a nuanced person, but he seems like a very good father now, which wasn’t discussed. He seems like a person who had more demons than we’ll ever know and has battled through them.
None of us can ever know what it’s like to be a top 5 famous person in the world. It’s impossible. I’m not saying it’s excusable to be a sex addict. I’m saying none of us can imagine the pressure and living that experience. The film maker chose to make Tiger seem dirty rather than human. I felt gross watching it and felt empathy for a broken soul yearning for something more.
Finally, millions of people all across the world of every race have embraced Tiger Woods. The film makers decided to use Tiger as a pawn for their ideology. Tigers father suggests throughout the documentary that he hopes tiger can be a racial healer. Tiger has been that. He’s paved the way for plenty of minority golfers to succeed and be loved. He’s made millions doing that. But continually shoving the racial narrative down the viewers throat was one of the major negatives of the film for me.
LES GO SAM THEY HATIN ON OUR GUY 😤 FUCK the media
all because he associated with Trump. I refuse to watch it. I know it's a hit piece.
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I’ve tried watching this but HBO is difficult to view in UK 🇬🇧 How do you guys watch it.
Hulu Hbo max add on
It’s on NOW TV for another 4 days
The pirate life is for me (also dont live in USA)
Sky Tv.
Focused way more on his past rather than his comeback in my opinion. THEY BROKE DOWN THE GATES AT EAST LAKE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Tiger is and will always be the 🐐
If you watch the documentary called “Tiger Back” it’s more about the golf and his return. I think it was a better watch.
Agreed.
In my opinion they should’ve included much more footage of golf tournaments, stretched the docuseries out to 3 or 4 episodes. They definitely rushed through some of the actual golf parts.
To keep it short, we are a product of our upbringing, other gods of sports were his running mates in Vagas, and the documentary allowed me to see tiger as a human and not an invincible higher being, i.e. God or whatever. But to recognize his growth after all how he is more personable now.
Tiger lived a very sheltered structured life up until he was on his own (without Earl) so it was no surprise when all the goodies that come along with being someone like Tiger Woods the Mega Star he would indulge in them. (Kid in the candy shop for the first time if you may) I don’t hold it against him, because I have a sense of why and it’s perfectly understandable.
I like the documentary. It gave me a better understanding of tiger. I don’t think anything less then tiger, I still like him. He was basically a billionaire at age 30 with the weight of the world on his shoulders. I think most people would have problems with that kind of pressure.
I think your take on Tiger’s dad is spot on @rickshiels. Very similar to the Jutanagarn sisters from Thailand.
Where can I watch this doc?
I'm surprised you guys didn't discuss how he completely cut out friends/loved ones/his caddy. People who had done so much for him and been a huge part of his life and success, and he cut them out like it was nothing
We knew most of what it was going to be about, but that came as a big shock
Needed to get past that part of his life. Had to break ties
yeah, that was totally bizarre. And stranger still is they seem to maintain their loyalty to him to some degree. It's hard to determine if they view him as a child requiring protection, or perhaps it's a some weird twist on Stockholm syndrome.
Well I understand getting rid of the caddy. the other people I didn't get
@@Golfzilla70 I disagree..if they still had loyalty to him, they wouldn’t have taken part in this documentary
Lindsay 4iron 😂 💀
I was a bit shocked as well...however, the first thing that came to my mind was, his problem was like a drug addict. I also thought about the many many entertainers, sports figures that has/had this addiction.
Where can we watch it? I cant find it anywhere in the uk???
It was a smear piece. People look at these celebrities as these perfect god-like creatures. They’re not. Behind the money and the fame they’re just as fragile and mortal as the rest of us. They get caught up believing they’re the former rather than the latter.
Does Tiger’s off course behaviour matter? The golf ball doesn’t care about the character of the player hitting it. Why do some people believe that golf is a metaphor for life?
The idea of competitive sport is to find the best team or player not to find the best human being.
I´m wearing the same Hoodie as Rick which makes me feel great. :D Keep up the great work, enjoying your podcast as well as your other channel! :)
It was completely one sided. They told his story like a super market tabloid.
Or......they actually told the real story, not the lie we get told daily about this guy......
There have been rumors that Earl came from Military Intelligence, which I think is true. Now, just think back on Army Intel projects from the early 1960s & connect the possible "DOTS".
He's dad said he was going to do bigger things than golf and Tiger says his foundation is going to be bigger than his golf,if that is true that means his dad will end up being correct.
Tiger also has said he loved base ball but started going to golf with his dad and fell in love with it.He then said to his dad I want to play golf so his dad said fine but you must put everything into it so that's not forcing him its just making him practise just like I did with my son.
If I'm spending big money on golf equipment you better bloody use them.
Rick, you should read the Tiger Woods biography they put out a couple of years ago. It shows a bigger picture of Tiger's life than this HBO special did. The HBO special was very kind to Tiger, in my estimation (after reading the book).
I read the book as well. Would watching the doc tell me anything new?
The guy personal life shouldn't make a difference. I admire him for his accomplishments and everything golf. The question is was his relationship faults his or his father's. Knowing his father personal life is it hard to imagine?
Where can I watch the documentary
Hbo max
been looking and can only see how to watch it if you're in the US
NOWTV, Sky Documentaries
Tigers father bred tiger to make himself money. That’s just my opinion.
I 100% agree with that. That man was an asshole
Where can I watch this in uk Rick? RUclips Amazon etc
Sky tv
Great discussion once again. Just love the podcasts. It’s like Rick said - there are two people - tiger the supreme golfer and Eldrick the not so nice person who has acted horribly to family and friends.
I find it interesting that someone could watch the full doc and come away hating him more and not seeing that he is the product of a seriously detrimental pressure cooker of an upbringing.
I mean true, but that doesn't really change the fact that he turned his back on people who loved him over and over again is stll inexcusable.
Eldrick... interesting take... I like that.
His dad destroyed him in the same way as many other child stars parents have (MJ etc). Very telling that he was forced to dump his 1st girlfriend and that when he told his teachers he wanted to try other sports his dad said no. He is human and made mistakes but his father played a big part in that
Still doesn't justify what he did to his wife his kids or his caddy and friend. He's an adult and despite his upbringing still knew right from wrong. A bigger asshole of a man will be hard to find.
@@brianangell5317 There are so many bigger assholes, you just aren't looking hard enough. Cheating is SO common nowadays. Getting caught, not so much.
Also, I agree with Allan, having a horrible upbringing like that is OF COURSE going to set you up to fuck up at some point.
Bad parents + pressure + stardom at an early age + no rules that come with fame and money = recipe for disaster.
Where can I watch the tiger documentary?
HBO
Geez...all of these people in life having affairs, but what about Tiger!?
Seems like some affairs are like water of a duck's back...or maybe it's a swans back.
Real question.. Am I weird for this? I've always found it weird how enthralled people get in the personal lives of celebrities. Ive struggled with this concept since I was a child when I'd hear adults talking about who some random celeb was dating or their relationship with their parents, children etc, and then to developed DEEP real love/hate opinions about them based on the sliver of a person we get was/is just strange. This isn't just a Tiger thing for me, I struggle with this concept when considering people's reactions to celebs whose work I'm completely indifferent about. Its just really odd to me. I've always viewed celebs and athletes as people whose job it is to be famous, but who are just people at the end of it all, that they are as fallible as the people who observe them on screen and develope love/hate relationship with pixilated versions of them. I struggle with differentiating that behavior from something like a person developing intense love/hate relationships with Mario Brothers, Batman, or James Bond.
I dont care what anybody says! I'm still a Tiger fan.
Every one is
“ everyone” is?? LOL...yeah, okay.
in 66 years, i've still never met a perfect person.
WHERE DO YOU WATCH THE FULL VERSION
Hbo max
Sky also.
how can we watch it in the uk?
Sky.
The cheating was to due to Tiger being brought up with no social life. What little he had his parents controlled. Not making excuses for him but he was attempting to make up for all the experiences his parents stole from him
The reporter’s in the documentary made me furious
I enjoy this kind of chat as much as the next man- but with Tiger I feel he makes his desire for privacy clear in a respectable enough way- that the documentary makes me uncomfortable. Sure if its the Kardashians who live off putting it all out for show- talk about them until the cows come home. But if someone has made a commitment to deal with his struggles privately and projects that to the public- I think it should be respected
If acted this same way without a wife and kids, would it upset you less? His dad didnt set the greatest example in that way, but Jordan and Barkley introduced him to what world. Also you guys*and myself) probably have no idea how closed off your world becomes when youre that well known, One of the most interesting things I found about TIger was that he would scuba dive to escape that, which was something Jerry Garcia did as well. Maybe the only thing they have in common.
A lot of it was also manipulated for effect, Phil at the Masters as an example, he said that comment on the 13th, the narrator then stated that Phil capitulated but they were showing shots from the previous 12 holes? Made me mistrust a lot of the information presented and lost a lot of credibility in my eyes
How did you watch it in UK?
It’s on Sky Sports Documentaries. Just go to Catch Up tv. Or if you have a Sky Q box, just ask it to play it for you. Hope that helps.
I felt like it was definitely a smear piece on him and ignored some important information about him. I didn’t like the high school girlfriend having an hour in there also, seemed very unnecessary
Rick, is Serena Williams not the female Tiger woods? Similar father relationships.
Can’t wait for movie, will smith play Serena & Venus’ dad
why haven’t i discovered this a long time ago? great entertainment rick!
first ep was up there with last dance, then 2nd ep just giving loads of shine to strippers and gutter press.... real shame. they couldv literally done a last dance on tiger, loads of tournament footage (surprisingly little in this doc)
My top 2 favorite golfers; #1: Rick Shiels and #2: Tiger Woods.
Like father like son. The foul apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I rolled up to the range last week (before the States got hit with all this ice/white crap) listening to the RS podcast. After I got to my hitting bay, some old man next to me struck up a conversation and asked if I've ever heard of RS while recommended his videos. You got people across the pond in the Midwest talking about you. Think you made it buddy.
Tiger is a god that's the thing, he will be the best anyone has ever been at golf. Forever. No one will reach his level again, training like that breaks the body we now know. Likely that poor Bryson will follow, though I hope not. The documentary tried and failed understanding the man. As did his friends, with their so called support. When you win as much as he did, you feel differently. When you work as hard as he did, you earn different things. So family man can bash the god from the couch, but he should stick to what he knows. Be a sweet man, leave the winning to the winners. Tiger is a great dad, like his father. His wife took sail with a ton of money, no need to feel super sorry for her. His kids are fine.
Thats a great point about the name... Eldric would have been better
Is it tiger’s prowl?
You cant imagine being the most popular person on the planet. The pressures from family and the entire golfing community. Oh and by the way being black.
Oh Please!
Interesting take.
I was more disappointed in MJ helping him go astray in Vegas.
why? dont take life too seriously bud
Agree with Rick
People making comments on a Documentary? I hang out with guys who knew Earl! and of course he never used drugs to help his golf game😉
Eldrick would’ve been perfect... damn
Rick shiels midlife crisis...waiting
Not condoning Earl's or Tiger's actions, but I really felt like this was none of our business. Its Tiger and his family's problem. Not mine. I definitely felt bad for watching it and learning these details. Made me sad for all involved, including Tiger. I also felt like they stopped the personal story with the crash. What about the last several years? He seems to be a good dad. Why didn't they share that with world? Answer - not dirty enough.
And, how does this help his family now? Answer - it doesn't. It hurts them. Especially Elin and the kids.
I think losing Earl really sent Tiger into a spiral.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC I think so too.
@@bobmoore4010 I know he won A major afterwards but I think after Y.E. Yang beat him at the PGA he didn’t know how to handle it mentally, then the tabloid stuff came out and his body broke down. He had those good years from 2010-2014 where he still won a lot but never a major and I think that was why.
Nearly every child prodigy who fail to have a proper childhood / teen years will at sometime rebel at play out adolescence in later life .
I couldn’t give two Flying hoots what Tiger does in the bedroom .. honestly
He should be solely judged on what he does on the golf course . He is without doubt one of the greatest sportsman to have ever lived .. and there can be no arguments in that .
"I can't imagine lying to my wife's face like that" ..lol yes you can but you don't have those kinds of temptations so I guess you don't have to worry Rick
He’s still a god in my eyes..maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t care what he did in his private life
God? SMH
@@JJG86 a golf god
Hi Rick don’t have community olb iPad
There are a lot more professional golfers today with childhoods just the same as tigers, but they have something he hasn’t got, a personality, great golfer you can never take that away from him. I hate him playing any televised tournaments now, the leaders could be 5 or6 shots clear playing out of their skins , tiger will be playing average golf at best then he’ll hit one miracle shot the cameras stay on him, the commentators “ tiger making his move now watch this leader board change now the leaders will be looking over their shoulders now the tiger is roaring” the he goes back to average golf but the cameras stay with him, this spoils my enjoyment of the coverage
How can us brits watch it?
Sky documentaries
Is there any truth to the rumors about Elin Nordegren’s affair with another golfer while she was employed as a nanny?
I kinda love Tiger even more after this! After seeing the human side of Tiger!
The only people tiger will ever love are his mother and his kids, everyone else is expendable
Interesting
Topbloke made a hate documentary on Rick 😂 Rick can you address that? And how he copied your videos to make them his own.
I listened to the audio book. 16hrs. Made the TV doco look like trash. Do yourself a favour and do the book, way more in depth
I'm sorry but i dont like the RS logo
Opinions are like anuses; everybody has one, and they all stink. Stick to club tests, comparisons and instruction. Leave human bashing to politicians and movie critics.
Who's here after the car crash?
That is the most ugly color couch I have ever seen.. WTF were you thinking?
I agree that the cheating on his wife was wrong but he is only human and still the greatest golfer I have ever seen. I still think he is a positive influence for many people. He has overcome so much. One can only imagine all he has been through.
Watched a few of your podcasts. Like the subjects and the casual atmosphere. But, your co-host, talks too fast and it’s difficult to understand. Especially if you are not used to the accents. Speaking for people like me from Montreal, Canada.
I haven’t seen it yet but I don’t think it would change my opinion of him as my opinion of him is purely based on his professional career and his incredible achievements! it would not surprise me to find out that he is a horrible human being that only thinks of himself but then what do I care “HE’S TIGER WOODS”
The whole thing was a bit of a soap really. Earl was a dick, his wife was a doormat, tiger was a messed up kid who could play golf like a god. Pretty much the stuff we all knew anyway. Golfer, one of the best. Person, forgettable.
This was pointless...
So there’s no redemption for wrongs...🤔
I agree....never a fan of his....
I’ve never played golf but heard it was good and watched it and after I came out liking him a lot. He’s definitely the GOAT of golf and Ik it’s fucked up to cheat but like fuck it if I was him I’d probably get bored with my wife too fuck it I’m going to Vegas baby
His high school girlfriend now looks quite a bit like Lindsey Vonn ?