If they made the thing lighter and/or reduced the space above the slit then everything would probably just topple over when you put a tablet/iPad in there.
I have had this device for a few years now, used it with my iPad and iPhone. I bought it specifically because it was nearly full-sized, hefty, with proper spacing between keys like an Enhanced 101, because typing on a tiny cramped keyboard does not match my touch typing muscle memory. In fact, every flaw you listed is a feature that I targeted. Different strokes for different folks.
the 6 key on mine randomly stopped working one day. any idea how i can fix it? it physically functions normally, it just doesn't respond, if that makes sense
@@grawakendream8980 Not sure exactly what you mean, but if your keys aren't working, then it's possible that cleaning the keyboard could help. Most keyboards can be dismantled (carefully, and with photographs beforehand so you know how to re-assemble it) so you can clean the contacts for the switches. Or to give you access to replace a broken switch. It takes dexterity and patience, but it may be possible. Generally I'd advise doing searches for videos on keyboard repair, cleaning, and maintenance.
Literally every negative point you made is one of the reasons why I AM buying the keyboard 😂😂😂 They cater to different tastes I guess. But aside from that, quality of the video and the content itself is great. Very professional. Keep up the great work.
Fair enough! Appreciate the kind words and yeah the keyboard could be perfect for some and not for others but again appreciate watching and for the kind words! Means a lot
@@TechBarnYT Kindly help me to buy the best wireless multifunctional, multi device connectivity (Mac, IOS, Android, & Windows) backlight keyboard....thanks
Well put together video but ya he definitely bought wrong product for himself. This is more of a make sure you get the right product for yourself video rather than a product review.
So I was curious about this keyboard and decided to watch a review and yours was the first to pop up. Almost all of the reasons you don't like this keyboard are the reasons I now want to buy this.
imagine if it was made thin and light weight, do you think it can withstand when your device is mounted? sometimes you need to think logically. it was made like that with a purpose.
"The keys are so spaced out it doesn't make sense." What? I'v owned the K480 for over 5 years. I just took out a ruler and measured from the centre of the "A" key to the centre of the "L" key and got exactly 6 inches. That's the same number as the apple keyboard on my Mac mini and the same as the keyboard on my gaming PC.
I've been using this keyboard since 2018. Its perfect for at home, on the go with my surface pro, or even with my phone at my home station, where i can easily switch to any of the three on the fly. Its just about the same size of my surface pro and fits perfectly into the extra slot in my laptop bag. I've taken it with my around the world. Very durable. I've had to clean it out a few times. comes apart easy, despite the number of screws. The keys are responsive even if its using a silicon membrane. I'm very satisfied with this keyboard, even if I do alot of typing. I occasionally miss the number keys, but its never been an issue.
I agree with you on the spaces between the keys, But today I bought my second one, as my 3 year old son poured water over the one I bought over 3 years ago, it was working perfectly up til then, and the battery life is great.
Dude I have been looking online to see if anyone else had any issues with the actual typing experience, as a guy who recently bought this keyboard and are considering returning it because of the typing experience. And so far you hit the nail on the head, not necessarily the spacing, but god damn the keys feel so hard to push down I end up typing at a snails pace, and even bizarrely I find that tapping on the edge results in it not being registered, and you need to hit smack dab in the center of the key for it to register which just crippled my typing efficiency. I don't know if anyone else also has this problem, cause none of the reviews I've seen so far (save for maybe this video) be it on Amazon or elsewhere have brought that up. So thanks, glad to know I'm not alone in that opinion.
@Milind Bebarta yeah, but even then It's a bit too slow compared to what I'm used to - but as a neat caveat, because it makes me type slower, it helps me when I'm writing a story in actually thinking things out.
i guess people more used to newer laptop keyboards will find this harder to type on. the typing experience on this is more like the older wired keyboards we grew up with back in the 90s.
@tempeleng funny I actually have an old keyboard and I swear I can type faster on it. That being said, I'm used to it now. I find the slowness works for some stuff
I purchased this keyboard because at the time I did not have a pc and needed to type papers on a cell phone. This is a great use case scenario as it worked well for me (though I did have to take my case off of my phone to make it fit). By the way, the keyboard is heavy so that it does not tip over while using heavier tablets in portrait mode. The keys could be better, but I don't think it is that bad. I would say that it is actually really good for rubber dome keyboards. I am still able to hit 90-100wpm on this keyboard vs 100-110wpm on a mechanical keyboard. Now that I am in a different place in life and I have a real computer, I will say that the biggest reason that I do not continue to use it in my setup is that I use the F keys a lot in windows and those are setup as secondary buttons to the media keys rather than primary buttons. Wanna close something out? alt + fn +f4. That's annoying. But if you're typing on Android, it's a lot better that way as you need the media keys a lot more. MSRP is $34.99 on this one, you can usually find it on sale locally for $25-$30, I really don't think that there's a multi-mobile device keyboard that can compete on any level with this one at this price point.
The size of this keyboard is good and the keys are well spaced. However, the chunkiness not withstanding, the issue with this keyboard is that typing on it is so hard - every time I type a few lines, I end up missing letters because keys tend to not register unless your fingers don't hit them in a certain way. I got faster speeds when using the tiny K230.
smaller and lighter may result in toppling when a device "ipad" is insert into the bracket. it comes from a product design perspective and not estatic only. if it is smaller than the weight will have to increase to counter balance it.
I work in Mobile Application Development. I've been using this keyboard for over 5 years, I use it in my workstation with a Mac and multiple devices such as iPads/Tablets/iPhone, etc, I was the first one in the company to request this keyboard as a "concept test" for "standard keyboard" for everyone else. Every new developer in my team receives one of these and all of them are more than happy with it, it's just matter of perspective.. I also have a G Skill Rip Jaws KM750 for my personal setup and I have to say this: Despite the obvious differences on the switch from cherry brown to membrane keyboard, I love both of them, I have no struggle to change from one to another and I found very comfortable this Logitech K480. If I have to say one negative thing is the cleaning, since is very tricky to disassemble it and clean. Obvious you can clean the surface but to clean the keys and the membrane and all of it, it's just chaotic (just like almost every membrane keyboard). So, for personal daily keyboard/gaming I would not recommend Logitech K480, but for work? ABSOLUTELY.
I was not planning on buying this keyboard and came here to bolster my decision. But watching your video, I think I am ordering one for myself. Thanks :P
I have been using this keyboard, for about 3 years with 3 devices; I use a Logitech Pebble mouse also with my iPad. The K480 can hold my iPad in portrait mode & my iPhone SE2 in portrait mode side by side, allowing me to switch the keyboard between the 2 devices. I also have the K380 as my desktop keyboard with a 2018 Mac mini & a Logitech M590 2-device mouse. Not much/any distance in key placement/spacing & key travel between the K380 & K480 to me; I chose both for low cost, compactness & similarity to the keyboard on my old, Late 2011, 13 inch MacBook Pro that got me thru school & beyond.
The needed that "empty space above the slot" for weight distribution. With a tablet hanging backwards in the slant, you need extra heft up there. If it wasn't for that forehead, any tablet you put in the thing would make the keyboard tip upwards and fall over. Basic physics.
I got mine at Goodwill for $5. It's paired with my iPhone, iPad and whatever computer I"m working on--either Windows or Mac. I use a lot of apps including video and graphics--to many to learn a whole bunch of keyboard shortcuts, so use the Touch Portal app to program macros/shortcuts to control the computer with my iPad. So my iPad sits in the slot in the kb in front of my monitor setup. Or if I'm writing on the computer I might have a different messaging app open on each device if I'm needed for work. For carrying I don't find the size/weight troublesome at all as an iPad companion. Key action felt a bit clumsy at first but not too bad, and I'm well used to it now.
I love this keyboard and am using it right now to comment . Easy setup , keys feel great to me . The weight was surprising but then again it has to hold up and IPad or tablet and you’d be more ticked off if it tipped over. Good video, short and sweet.
Counterbalance. Yup, counterbalance was the subject the day you missed physics class. I think I could be a produect reviewer if all I had to do was thoughlessly shoot from the hip without ever considering the reason WHY a product was designed the way it was. The good news is, Logitech did not listen to The Little Engineer Who Couldn't when designing the K480. It is a sturdy keyboard that....remains flat on the desk (maybe job 1 of ANY keyboard) even with an iPad inserted in the groove. Imagine how difficult the typing would be with the underside of the keyboard facing facing you and perpendicular to the desktop. Possibly the most thoughtness (useless) tech review on the web. There, I said it. The harsh truth about this review.
I am referring to one of the commentators about using a metal body to decrease the size; Well in my opinion if they use the metal body just to decrease the size then the metal body can actually create a weight on it.. Then it will get back to square to those who doesn't like to carry heavy bag... I noticed people have a habit to put a lot of unnecessary item inside the bsg.. Then just remove them.. Take only what you need.
Not sure why but on Amazon, Logitech Store has 2 different pages for the K480. From what I've seen, they look identical, except for the price. One is originally $57.94, currently discounted to $48.99 while the other is originally $49.99, currently discounted to $29.99. For $30, I think it's a decent keyboard, but it only makes sense if you actually need to use the cradle. If not, it's way too bulky of a keyboard like you've mentioned.
I was also surprised by the weight when I opened the package but that didn't kill it for me. What did was the noise. Being autistic and sound sensitive, it's extremely hard to use for me. I was going to replace my Logi Mini with it but I absolutely cannot due to that.
3:46 Bruh... do you know how physics work? If you don't have that extra space at the top, an iPad would fall backwards due to the lack of support and the weight of the iPad itself.
The only genuine harsh truth is that you have no business, whatsoever, doing product reviews if you can say something so stupid as those keys feel "empty and heavy."
Every single thing you complain about is there for a very good reason. Weight and size of it is so you can fit few devices or 13 inch tablet that also needs to stay there without falling of or keyboard jumping around. This is almost perfect keyboard in every single way. As good as it gets!
i was about to buy the logitech keys to go, but found that it is only compatible with apple (yep im an android guy ) devices. then i searched for the k480 or the k380 for replacement, but this is just outrageous. There is no appeal nor portability feature for the k480 and the k380 need a stand for your device T_T , i mean they're just bulky and thicc (in a bad way ;) ), plus when u know that 5 or 4 years earlier, there was only one version of the keys to go and it was for pc and android. but now its only for apple. Your video has put the final nail on the coffin for me. I really hope that they redesign it(k480) to be more compact and overall astetic, or just bring the keys to go to be able to function with android and Win. Great video btw, it looked really professionaly, keep on uping your game my guy
I totally agree with you the typing experience is terrible, one of the worst to be honest. Took me a helluva time to get use to it. So many times when I hit the BACK key it stuck if I don’t hit it down the perfect angle. The bar where you are suppose to have iPad inserted into is too wide and my iPad fell out so many times, finally my iPad dropped on the floor and broke. If you are trusting the keyboard to hold your iPad tightly in the bar while you are holding the keyboard instead of the iPad, well DON’T, I made the same mistake so many times. Now I have a broken iPad. However, back to value for money, if it wasn’t partially responsible for my broken iPad, it’s still is a good multi-feature keyboard for day to day use, it does the job, but that’s it.
Stuff like this is good for using around the house or somewhere like a hotel or something. It stops everything from just tumbling off your lap. If you're gonna be all over the place then get a keyboard case.
@@TechBarnYT fr, never give up you have a long journey ahead of you. You may not have much or anything right now but it starts paying off. (Jk, that’s pretty damn good)
@@TechBarnYT it really shouldn’t though. Reality doesn’t change wether or not people acknowledge it, you would have been ripped either way. I don’t know where I am going with this 😂
Not to be mean but felt like a case of reviewer not understanding the point of the product (or physics, in regards to weight and the necessity of the spacing on top). Otherwise good video and presentation.
The keyboard is really bad! The keys get stuck if you press them at an angle. Bad quality. Returned it and got the Logitech MX keys - best keyboard ever!
1. It’s heavy on purpose, I love how much balanced it is and my ipad has never toppled over 2. I agree Keys sound is a personal preference but for the and features anyone can compromise with it, I am not saying sound is bad imo sound is pretty good and typing experience is amazing as well it took about a week for me to get comfortable with it but now it feels like a charm. 3. BUILD QUALITY IS BAD after about an year of use the rubber of the dial came off, the silicon phone holder is cracking/small bits of are coming off and the inside part is really hard to clean moreover if you hold the keyboard and apply pressure on the sides there is a squeaking sound which does feel cheap 4. Logitech branding part is long on top but again it serves a purpose of maintaining the centre of mass and aligns the centre of mass of tab/ipad which nullify the torque produced hence ipad doesn’t fall off and even if you try to push the top of the device up to a certain angle whole keyboard will come back to original position OVERALL THE DEVICE IS GREAT AND WORTH BUYING
The size (specially the “empty space” above the device slot) and weight are intended to hold a tablet without it tiping over. The keys I never understood why they didn't share it between the K480 and K380, since they are aimed at the same audience, just eith the choice between compact vs built-in device holder
Just like Logitech, you neglected to indicate which versions of Bluetooth this keyboard works with. Really stupid question: Which button should one use to pair with KaiOS cell phone ?
On the keyboard spacing the distance is exactly the same as my MacBook Air. I type roughly the same speed on both. Nice and solidly weighted, and can hold my Galaxy Tab S6 Lite and my Samsung phone at the same time. I use this for traveling, and no longer bring my MacBook with me.
I just bought this for $29 at Best Buy. I love the bulkiness because I’ll be using with an 11” iPad Pro as a desk top when that particular function is needed. It also feels pretty good in my lap. I do not get the impression that this is for use outside the home or office.
You're not wrong about the typing but I quite like the typing on it since it has spaced out keys since I have what I would consider quite chunky & large hands. I also like the sounds of the keys since I am a chicken pecking typer and I don't type with the sheer speed of a super car. Regardless you do have some good points on this keyboard. I will admit that it could be better. I am glad to know that I have typed this coment on this exact keyboard
I type around 8-10 hours a day and I've been using this for my professional work. The keys are a little hard to press but trust me, you get used to it. I can say this is a good keyboard if you are tight on budget. I bought this when I was in Uni because I wanted it for my ipad but I got so used to it that I'm using it for my work without any issues at all.
I have it as a matter of fact I am using it now it is amazing, I use it for school everyday I love the keypad ,I love the sound it makes I recommend it is also really easy to change devises
i'm guessing it's heavy to balance the device you can stand up in the slot? Bulky? lol. it's tiny and can fit in any bag. i picked one up at a thrift store for 5 bucks and i love it
I am returning this for the exact same reason - the weight and the size. It needs the weight but the design is so obsolete for 2020 and 21 and now 22 soon. I thought the make an opinion video on this but as it's already here - don't need too :)
I bought this keyboard since I cannot afford a Smart Keyboard Folio for my iPad, and with my limited space of my desk, I can able to switch Bluetooths between Windows and iPad. You're just mad lmao
Basically I've been using this particular keyboard for years, and haven't found anything wrong with it. But given I found this at a local Charity Shop for $3AU while the retail stores had it for $59-79AU, speaks volumes towards my good luck. I did need to replace an old Bluetooth keyboard, so this was the perfect deal. Talk about good timing!
I bought my K480 second hand in mid 2017, from the local branch of a national pawnbroking chain, for use with Android 10.1in tablets. The difference between the dark grey underside and black top, is not something I especially paid attention to. The bright yellow of the dial and the device slot though, to me that has always looked glaring ugly. That bright yellow should have been the same light grey as used on the white K480. Its weight has to be substantial, as it is able to easily handle a 10.1in tablet, in portrait mode, without toppling over backwards. Removing the rear overhang would likely unbalance the keyboard for use with tablets in portrait mode. The typing feel has never been what I could call nice. The keypress and break point of the keys feels like an inexpensive PC-AT keyboard from the late 1990s/early 2000s that you'd have bought from Target or KMart. I've always liked the key spacing of the K480, as I came to it from full size PC-AT keyboards. The feel of the sculpted hollows of the keytops is nice as my fingerpads drop straight into the hollows. I find flat key top, scissor action, notebook style keyboards unpleasant to use. A K480 with proper mechanical key mechanisms would be a joy to use. The dial, to me feels ok, with clear detent stops, but it would have benefited from ridging on the left edge of its rim, to aid gripping when you slide your finger or thumb on it to change devices. Would I recommend the K480? That comes down to what you'd use the keyboard with. For folks who have a tablet and case, no. The K380 is the better option there. Folks like me who don't use a case on their tablet, or for phone users, the device slot on the K480 is an absolute essential thing to have. For users in these groups, K480, no ifs, buts, or maybes.
I don‘t find any answers on the net about how to do a screeshot with this, iPad pro (IOS15…). Someone here with the same problem, that the button locks/unlocks the ipad?
I agree that it's heavy, but I don't think that we can expect that it could hold the tablet and phone and not be heavy at the same time.. It is just the law of physics... 😎 Greetings from Croatia! 😇👍
Logitech is a well known company and i think they have done a fantastic marketing job coming up with the requirement specifications of this keyboard. Its exactly what I needed. I process emails best on outlook mobile version instead of desktop. Switching to bluetooth keyboard with the dial is intelligent design. The weight and sturdiness ensures there is no toppling of mobile phone. The keys are sufficiently sized - the keyboard is portable size and the keys are desktop keyboard size. Tried to make best tradeoff. I am looking forward to future premium versions of this design, something that is also mentioned in this video.
im not able to make this work with win10 pc, im able to connect it by entering 6 digit code but most of the keys are not working like start button, button r etc...nothing works...can someone help?
Thank youuuuu! The key clicks are a deal break for me. I have this keyboard in my cart right now. I’m glad I decided to watch your review before purchasing.
The keys feels nothing like a typewriter. I will agree that they feel a bit cheap. I got mine brand new off of Facebook Marketplace for $20 so for that price I thought it was worth it. I have a an 11” iPad Pro that I use uncased and I’m not a fan of how is sits in the slot in landscape mode.
Hi! Could you please tell me which slim keyboard have you shown in your video? It looks really nice and sleek, and I'm sure that the keypress experience is great!
Well I recall logitech had a more premium model a few years ago, comes with a tablet slot too. I can no longer find it on their website. Too bad you are a few years too late.
How can I adjust power save mode time setting, I do not use this keyboard often. Just couple of tiems a week! But its battery won't go 6months. Do I have to push power button on the back and turn on and off everyday ?
This Keyboard is AWESOME THE Keys are Perfectly Spaced for people who know how to type not for chicken pecking with their thumb Awesome Keyboard made for what it’s said on the Box
How else would you fit a 10 inch tablet in the slot and it needs weight to balance the tablet/phone from toppling over. This review misses the mark sorry.
The keyboard is chunky because it’s meant to hold up an entire iPad Pro. It needs to be stable.
Exactly
Or... They could build a metallic body and distribute the weight while making it more premium, including rechargeable lithium battery.
Exactly!!! Sometimes a product needs to be designed not to be slim to do a specific thing
You got it, nice answer!
@@jeinnerabdel then the price would be way higher
If they made the thing lighter and/or reduced the space above the slit then everything would probably just topple over when you put a tablet/iPad in there.
exactly.
I have had this device for a few years now, used it with my iPad and iPhone. I bought it specifically because it was nearly full-sized, hefty, with proper spacing between keys like an Enhanced 101, because typing on a tiny cramped keyboard does not match my touch typing muscle memory. In fact, every flaw you listed is a feature that I targeted. Different strokes for different folks.
the 6 key on mine randomly stopped working one day. any idea how i can fix it? it physically functions normally, it just doesn't respond, if that makes sense
@@grawakendream8980 Not sure exactly what you mean, but if your keys aren't working, then it's possible that cleaning the keyboard could help. Most keyboards can be dismantled (carefully, and with photographs beforehand so you know how to re-assemble it) so you can clean the contacts for the switches. Or to give you access to replace a broken switch. It takes dexterity and patience, but it may be possible. Generally I'd advise doing searches for videos on keyboard repair, cleaning, and maintenance.
Did the letters on the keycaps started to fade?
@@SONIA-u7y Keys are visible fine, but I don't use the keyboard full time like my desktop.
I agree - every "flaw" he listed are great features.
Literally every negative point you made is one of the reasons why I AM buying the keyboard 😂😂😂 They cater to different tastes I guess. But aside from that, quality of the video and the content itself is great. Very professional. Keep up the great work.
Fair enough! Appreciate the kind words and yeah the keyboard could be perfect for some and not for others but again appreciate watching and for the kind words! Means a lot
That is exactly what I was thinking as well!
@@TechBarnYT Kindly help me to buy the best wireless multifunctional, multi device connectivity (Mac, IOS, Android, & Windows) backlight keyboard....thanks
Omg me too! I'm getting two for my kids for their homeschooling... Your negative points are my positive reasons hahaha
Well put together video but ya he definitely bought wrong product for himself. This is more of a make sure you get the right product for yourself video rather than a product review.
So I was curious about this keyboard and decided to watch a review and yours was the first to pop up. Almost all of the reasons you don't like this keyboard are the reasons I now want to buy this.
imagine if it was made thin and light weight, do you think it can withstand when your device is mounted? sometimes you need to think logically. it was made like that with a purpose.
Is this some kind of prank video where you describe all the benefits of the device as disadvantages??
"The keys are so spaced out it doesn't make sense." What? I'v owned the K480 for over 5 years. I just took out a ruler and measured from the centre of the "A" key to the centre of the "L" key and got exactly 6 inches. That's the same number as the apple keyboard on my Mac mini and the same as the keyboard on my gaming PC.
Yeah those are standard values, idk what this guy is saying smh 🤦
His every negative point is my plus point to buy this keyboard… lol
I've been using this keyboard since 2018. Its perfect for at home, on the go with my surface pro, or even with my phone at my home station, where i can easily switch to any of the three on the fly. Its just about the same size of my surface pro and fits perfectly into the extra slot in my laptop bag. I've taken it with my around the world. Very durable. I've had to clean it out a few times. comes apart easy, despite the number of screws. The keys are responsive even if its using a silicon membrane. I'm very satisfied with this keyboard, even if I do alot of typing. I occasionally miss the number keys, but its never been an issue.
wow....You applied reverse psychology on me 🤣🤣🤣 ...I love this keyboard that I ordered one today 🤭
I agree with you on the spaces between the keys, But today I bought my second one, as my 3 year old son poured water over the one I bought over 3 years ago, it was working perfectly up til then, and the battery life is great.
what did you do with your son?
Dude I have been looking online to see if anyone else had any issues with the actual typing experience, as a guy who recently bought this keyboard and are considering returning it because of the typing experience. And so far you hit the nail on the head, not necessarily the spacing, but god damn the keys feel so hard to push down I end up typing at a snails pace, and even bizarrely I find that tapping on the edge results in it not being registered, and you need to hit smack dab in the center of the key for it to register which just crippled my typing efficiency. I don't know if anyone else also has this problem, cause none of the reviews I've seen so far (save for maybe this video) be it on Amazon or elsewhere have brought that up. So thanks, glad to know I'm not alone in that opinion.
The keys are a little harder to press but once you get used to it, it won't bother you anymore. I actually type quite fast on this keyboard.
@Milind Bebarta yeah, but even then It's a bit too slow compared to what I'm used to - but as a neat caveat, because it makes me type slower, it helps me when I'm writing a story in actually thinking things out.
i guess people more used to newer laptop keyboards will find this harder to type on. the typing experience on this is more like the older wired keyboards we grew up with back in the 90s.
@tempeleng funny I actually have an old keyboard and I swear I can type faster on it. That being said, I'm used to it now. I find the slowness works for some stuff
I purchased this keyboard because at the time I did not have a pc and needed to type papers on a cell phone. This is a great use case scenario as it worked well for me (though I did have to take my case off of my phone to make it fit). By the way, the keyboard is heavy so that it does not tip over while using heavier tablets in portrait mode. The keys could be better, but I don't think it is that bad. I would say that it is actually really good for rubber dome keyboards. I am still able to hit 90-100wpm on this keyboard vs 100-110wpm on a mechanical keyboard. Now that I am in a different place in life and I have a real computer, I will say that the biggest reason that I do not continue to use it in my setup is that I use the F keys a lot in windows and those are setup as secondary buttons to the media keys rather than primary buttons. Wanna close something out? alt + fn +f4. That's annoying. But if you're typing on Android, it's a lot better that way as you need the media keys a lot more. MSRP is $34.99 on this one, you can usually find it on sale locally for $25-$30, I really don't think that there's a multi-mobile device keyboard that can compete on any level with this one at this price point.
K380 or K480, which keyboard has bigger keycaps? Which one is more comfortable to type on? I need to get one of these to paid up with my MacBook.
The size of this keyboard is good and the keys are well spaced. However, the chunkiness not withstanding, the issue with this keyboard is that typing on it is so hard - every time I type a few lines, I end up missing letters because keys tend to not register unless your fingers don't hit them in a certain way. I got faster speeds when using the tiny K230.
smaller and lighter may result in toppling when a device "ipad" is insert into the bracket. it comes from a product design perspective and not estatic only. if it is smaller than the weight will have to increase to counter balance it.
I work in Mobile Application Development. I've been using this keyboard for over 5 years, I use it in my workstation with a Mac and multiple devices such as iPads/Tablets/iPhone, etc, I was the first one in the company to request this keyboard as a "concept test" for "standard keyboard" for everyone else. Every new developer in my team receives one of these and all of them are more than happy with it, it's just matter of perspective.. I also have a G Skill Rip Jaws KM750 for my personal setup and I have to say this: Despite the obvious differences on the switch from cherry brown to membrane keyboard, I love both of them, I have no struggle to change from one to another and I found very comfortable this Logitech K480. If I have to say one negative thing is the cleaning, since is very tricky to disassemble it and clean. Obvious you can clean the surface but to clean the keys and the membrane and all of it, it's just chaotic (just like almost every membrane keyboard).
So, for personal daily keyboard/gaming I would not recommend Logitech K480, but for work? ABSOLUTELY.
I was not planning on buying this keyboard and came here to bolster my decision. But watching your video, I think I am ordering one for myself.
Thanks :P
Hope you enjoy it!
I have been using this keyboard, for about 3 years with 3 devices; I use a Logitech Pebble mouse also with my iPad. The K480 can hold my iPad in portrait mode & my iPhone SE2 in portrait mode side by side, allowing me to switch the keyboard between the 2 devices. I also have the K380 as my desktop keyboard with a 2018 Mac mini & a Logitech M590 2-device mouse. Not much/any distance in key placement/spacing & key travel between the K380 & K480 to me; I chose both for low cost, compactness & similarity to the keyboard on my old, Late 2011, 13 inch MacBook Pro that got me thru school & beyond.
The needed that "empty space above the slot" for weight distribution. With a tablet hanging backwards in the slant, you need extra heft up there. If it wasn't for that forehead, any tablet you put in the thing would make the keyboard tip upwards and fall over. Basic physics.
I really loved the video. Short, sweet, to the point and simple. I liked and subscribed. Really impressed . 👏
Thanks for the sub!
The Weight is Given Because it Has To Hold and Balance The Weight of Ipad
Planning to buy this.. I get you but.. if the top was cut off, the device would flip the keyboard over 😂, so that definitely has its own use.
This man will complain about literally anything
it's not necessarily chunky, It has to have some weight in order to hold heavier tablets. No offense.
I got mine at Goodwill for $5. It's paired with my iPhone, iPad and whatever computer I"m working on--either Windows or Mac. I use a lot of apps including video and graphics--to many to learn a whole bunch of keyboard shortcuts, so use the Touch Portal app to program macros/shortcuts to control the computer with my iPad. So my iPad sits in the slot in the kb in front of my monitor setup. Or if I'm writing on the computer I might have a different messaging app open on each device if I'm needed for work. For carrying I don't find the size/weight troublesome at all as an iPad companion. Key action felt a bit clumsy at first but not too bad, and I'm well used to it now.
I have this keyboard and use it like for almost 6 months, totally love it.
I love this keyboard and am using it right now to comment . Easy setup , keys feel great to me . The weight was surprising but then again it has to hold up and IPad or tablet and you’d be more ticked off if it tipped over. Good video, short and sweet.
Counterbalance. Yup, counterbalance was the subject the day you missed physics class. I think I could be a produect reviewer if all I had to do was thoughlessly shoot from the hip without ever considering the reason WHY a product was designed the way it was. The good news is, Logitech did not listen to The Little Engineer Who Couldn't when designing the K480. It is a sturdy keyboard that....remains flat on the desk (maybe job 1 of ANY keyboard) even with an iPad inserted in the groove. Imagine how difficult the typing would be with the underside of the keyboard facing facing you and perpendicular to the desktop. Possibly the most thoughtness (useless) tech review on the web. There, I said it. The harsh truth about this review.
I am referring to one of the commentators about using a metal body to decrease the size; Well in my opinion if they use the metal body just to decrease the size then the metal body can actually create a weight on it.. Then it will get back to square to those who doesn't like to carry heavy bag... I noticed people have a habit to put a lot of unnecessary item inside the bsg.. Then just remove them.. Take only what you need.
Not sure why but on Amazon, Logitech Store has 2 different pages for the K480. From what I've seen, they look identical, except for the price. One is originally $57.94, currently discounted to $48.99 while the other is originally $49.99, currently discounted to $29.99. For $30, I think it's a decent keyboard, but it only makes sense if you actually need to use the cradle. If not, it's way too bulky of a keyboard like you've mentioned.
I was also surprised by the weight when I opened the package but that didn't kill it for me. What did was the noise. Being autistic and sound sensitive, it's extremely hard to use for me. I was going to replace my Logi Mini with it but I absolutely cannot due to that.
3:46 Bruh... do you know how physics work? If you don't have that extra space at the top, an iPad would fall backwards due to the lack of support and the weight of the iPad itself.
The keyboard is that big for counter weight of a tablet.
The only genuine harsh truth is that you have no business, whatsoever, doing product reviews if you can say something so stupid as those keys feel "empty and heavy."
Every single thing you complain about is there for a very good reason. Weight and size of it is so you can fit few devices or 13 inch tablet that also needs to stay there without falling of or keyboard jumping around. This is almost perfect keyboard in every single way. As good as it gets!
i was about to buy the logitech keys to go, but found that it is only compatible with apple (yep im an android guy ) devices. then i searched for the k480 or the k380 for replacement, but this is just outrageous. There is no appeal nor portability feature for the k480 and the k380 need a stand for your device T_T , i mean they're just bulky and thicc (in a bad way ;) ), plus when u know that 5 or 4 years earlier, there was only one version of the keys to go and it was for pc and android. but now its only for apple. Your video has put the final nail on the coffin for me. I really hope that they redesign it(k480) to be more compact and overall astetic, or just bring the keys to go to be able to function with android and Win.
Great video btw, it looked really professionaly, keep on uping your game my guy
I totally agree with you the typing experience is terrible, one of the worst to be honest. Took me a helluva time to get use to it. So many times when I hit the BACK key it stuck if I don’t hit it down the perfect angle. The bar where you are suppose to have iPad inserted into is too wide and my iPad fell out so many times, finally my iPad dropped on the floor and broke. If you are trusting the keyboard to hold your iPad tightly in the bar while you are holding the keyboard instead of the iPad, well DON’T, I made the same mistake so many times. Now I have a broken iPad. However, back to value for money, if it wasn’t partially responsible for my broken iPad, it’s still is a good multi-feature keyboard for day to day use, it does the job, but that’s it.
Stuff like this is good for using around the house or somewhere like a hotel or something. It stops everything from just tumbling off your lap. If you're gonna be all over the place then get a keyboard case.
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Chunky? Empty space behind? Bro skipped Physics class.
Not to be mean but felt like a case of reviewer not understanding the point of the product (or physics, in regards to weight and the necessity of the spacing on top). Otherwise good video and presentation.
The space above the tablet holder has to be there or it will flip over when you put a large tablet into it
I just bought this keyboard a few hrs ago 😂
Me too XD
same here :)
The keyboard is really bad! The keys get stuck if you press them at an angle. Bad quality. Returned it and got the Logitech MX keys - best keyboard ever!
I have this too. I was shocked when I first saw it’s size. But I still love it. It works amazingly.
Me too
Bro listing selling points🤣
People complaining about size... since when ergonomics are a bad thing.
Came here doing research before purchase. Subscribed because the video is so well done. I love to sub before the channel gets huge. Keep it up.
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Logitech K380 has the same "spaced out keys" you complaining about bruh what you smoking? 😒
1. It’s heavy on purpose, I love how much balanced it is and my ipad has never toppled over
2. I agree Keys sound is a personal preference but for the and features anyone can compromise with it, I am not saying sound is bad imo sound is pretty good and typing experience is amazing as well it took about a week for me to get comfortable with it but now it feels like a charm.
3. BUILD QUALITY IS BAD after about an year of use the rubber of the dial came off, the silicon phone holder is cracking/small bits of are coming off and the inside part is really hard to clean moreover if you hold the keyboard and apply pressure on the sides there is a squeaking sound which does feel cheap
4. Logitech branding part is long on top but again it serves a purpose of maintaining the centre of mass and aligns the centre of mass of tab/ipad which nullify the torque produced hence ipad doesn’t fall off and even if you try to push the top of the device up to a certain angle whole keyboard will come back to original position
OVERALL THE DEVICE IS GREAT AND WORTH BUYING
The size (specially the “empty space” above the device slot) and weight are intended to hold a tablet without it tiping over. The keys I never understood why they didn't share it between the K480 and K380, since they are aimed at the same audience, just eith the choice between compact vs built-in device holder
What's that thin one you're using?
all the flaws you listed are the pros I like lol. The weight is for stability to my opinion, how an iPad would stand without weight?
Just like Logitech, you neglected to indicate which versions of Bluetooth this keyboard works with.
Really stupid question: Which button should one use to pair with KaiOS cell phone ?
1:21 good chance to show off the ceps, amiryt?
My Ipad Pro slips and tumbles when I’m using this for longer periods. Hate it.
The use of the K480 keypad is not as comfortable as the notebook keypad. I was a bit disappointed and kind of regret buying it.
On the keyboard spacing the distance is exactly the same as my MacBook Air. I type roughly the same speed on both. Nice and solidly weighted, and can hold my Galaxy Tab S6 Lite and my Samsung phone at the same time. I use this for traveling, and no longer bring my MacBook with me.
This is what happnes when a Apple FanBoy compares alternative products.
This keyboard has a faulty design in electronic circuit, after using for 1 or 2 years, it would drain battery very quickly.
I just bought this for $29 at Best Buy. I love the bulkiness because I’ll be using with an 11” iPad Pro as a desk top when that particular function is needed. It also feels pretty good in my lap. I do not get the impression that this is for use outside the home or office.
There’s also more room on the back to balance an iPad.
You're not wrong about the typing but I quite like the typing on it since it has spaced out keys since I have what I would consider quite chunky & large hands. I also like the sounds of the keys since I am a chicken pecking typer and I don't type with the sheer speed of a super car. Regardless you do have some good points on this keyboard. I will admit that it could be better. I am glad to know that I have typed this coment on this exact keyboard
I type around 8-10 hours a day and I've been using this for my professional work. The keys are a little hard to press but trust me, you get used to it. I can say this is a good keyboard if you are tight on budget. I bought this when I was in Uni because I wanted it for my ipad but I got so used to it that I'm using it for my work without any issues at all.
Thanks for this vid. Everything you mentioned is 1 deal breaker on top of another!
I have it as a matter of fact I am using it now it is amazing, I use it for school everyday I love the keypad ,I love the sound it makes I recommend it is also really easy to change devises
i'm guessing it's heavy to balance the device you can stand up in the slot?
Bulky? lol. it's tiny and can fit in any bag.
i picked one up at a thrift store for 5 bucks and i love it
I feel the keys are pretty tactile in comparison to its counterparts
I am returning this for the exact same reason - the weight and the size. It needs the weight but the design is so obsolete for 2020 and 21 and now 22 soon. I thought the make an opinion video on this but as it's already here - don't need too :)
I bought this keyboard since I cannot afford a Smart Keyboard Folio for my iPad, and with my limited space of my desk, I can able to switch Bluetooths between Windows and iPad.
You're just mad lmao
Basically I've been using this particular keyboard for years, and haven't found anything wrong with it. But given I found this at a local Charity Shop for $3AU while the retail stores had it for $59-79AU, speaks volumes towards my good luck. I did need to replace an old Bluetooth keyboard, so this was the perfect deal. Talk about good timing!
I bought my K480 second hand in mid 2017, from the local branch of a national pawnbroking chain, for use with Android 10.1in tablets.
The difference between the dark grey underside and black top, is not something I especially paid attention to. The bright yellow of the dial and the device slot though, to me that has always looked glaring ugly. That bright yellow should have been the same light grey as used on the white K480.
Its weight has to be substantial, as it is able to easily handle a 10.1in tablet, in portrait mode, without toppling over backwards. Removing the rear overhang would likely unbalance the keyboard for use with tablets in portrait mode.
The typing feel has never been what I could call nice. The keypress and break point of the keys feels like an inexpensive PC-AT keyboard from the late 1990s/early 2000s that you'd have bought from Target or KMart.
I've always liked the key spacing of the K480, as I came to it from full size PC-AT keyboards. The feel of the sculpted hollows of the keytops is nice as my fingerpads drop straight into the hollows. I find flat key top, scissor action, notebook style keyboards unpleasant to use. A K480 with proper mechanical key mechanisms would be a joy to use.
The dial, to me feels ok, with clear detent stops, but it would have benefited from ridging on the left edge of its rim, to aid gripping when you slide your finger or thumb on it to change devices.
Would I recommend the K480? That comes down to what you'd use the keyboard with. For folks who have a tablet and case, no. The K380 is the better option there.
Folks like me who don't use a case on their tablet, or for phone users, the device slot on the K480 is an absolute essential thing to have. For users in these groups, K480, no ifs, buts, or maybes.
I just want the K380 with a dial and the Fn key on the far left.
"If they made it a totally different keyboard that feels and looks different with my design points, I'd totally buy it." I sure hope so?
I don‘t find any answers on the net about how to do a screeshot with this, iPad pro (IOS15…). Someone here with the same problem, that the button locks/unlocks the ipad?
Nah, dude. I'm using this very keyboard right now. It IS hard to type, but accuracy is on point. That what matters most to me.
I agree that it's heavy, but I don't think that we can expect that it could hold the tablet and phone and not be heavy at the same time.. It is just the law of physics... 😎
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Isn’t it suppose to be like a type writer ?
Logitech is a well known company and i think they have done a fantastic marketing job coming up with the requirement specifications of this keyboard. Its exactly what I needed. I process emails best on outlook mobile version instead of desktop. Switching to bluetooth keyboard with the dial is intelligent design. The weight and sturdiness ensures there is no toppling of mobile phone. The keys are sufficiently sized - the keyboard is portable size and the keys are desktop keyboard size. Tried to make best tradeoff. I am looking forward to future premium versions of this design, something that is also mentioned in this video.
Not durable too, mine died after one fall (74cm).
The quality of this video is fcking awesome! Keep it up
I think the weight is a must! Otherwise, your tablet will knock it over...
im not able to make this work with win10 pc, im able to connect it by entering 6 digit code but most of the keys are not working like start button, button r etc...nothing works...can someone help?
I have this. Too bulky and i dont like the power button placement.
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Thank youuuuu! The key clicks are a deal break for me. I have this keyboard in my cart right now. I’m glad I decided to watch your review before purchasing.
The keys feels nothing like a typewriter. I will agree that they feel a bit cheap. I got mine brand new off of Facebook Marketplace for $20 so for that price I thought it was worth it. I have a an 11” iPad Pro that I use uncased and I’m not a fan of how is sits in the slot in landscape mode.
Just bought the 480. I wanted something like the slot to hold up my tablet. I have the 380 but I have to prop tablet against something to use.
can u tell me the exact size of the slot in inches my man??
Hi! Could you please tell me which slim keyboard have you shown in your video? It looks really nice and sleek, and I'm sure that the keypress experience is great!
I believe it’s the mini. Is K380 better than keys Mini? Which ones has a better typing experience in your opinion?
Hi great review. Is it possible to pair it with smart tv via bluetooth or logitech unifying receiver? Thanks
I just brought 2 keyboards for home after seeing your review. Those negative features attracted me. Thanks again.
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Well I recall logitech had a more premium model a few years ago, comes with a tablet slot too. I can no longer find it on their website. Too bad you are a few years too late.
What stupid reasons to hate a product 😂 man use it then review it,not just after taking it out of box
So what should I buy
i am kinda torn between the k380 and the k480 the k380 is smaller and lighter but the k480 has the stand slot
How can I adjust power save mode time setting, I do not use this keyboard often. Just couple of tiems a week! But its battery won't go 6months. Do I have to push power button on the back and turn on and off everyday ?
This Keyboard is AWESOME THE Keys are Perfectly Spaced for people who know how to type not for chicken pecking with their thumb
Awesome Keyboard made for what it’s said on the Box
How else would you fit a 10 inch tablet in the slot and it needs weight to balance the tablet/phone from toppling over. This review misses the mark sorry.
Which one the another keyboard??
You made this video without basic common sense
What I hate about it is that when ur trying to pair it with a Kindle it tells u to input the code but gets u less than a few seconds to input it 😭🥴