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it's kinda simple tbh. all samsung has to do is releasing 24' 1440p and 27' 4k QD-Oleds and they will sell like hot cake. Samsungs own fault right there.
yeah and anyone using youtube to base judgement on it, go see one in person if you are thinking about getting one. youtube doesn't show just how good the contrast and colors really are. qd oled is the only way to go.
@@veilmontTV same, I was hesitant about spending so much on a monitor and thought it wouldn't be that much better, but it really is. And it makes movies better. Well worth the money.
1. You're right that Samsung Electronics never believed in QD-Oled and considers Microled the true successor of LCD. 2. Samsung Display will not go back to LCD miniled production they sold their patents and manufacturing to TCL CSOT. 3. If QD Oled is not seen as competitive in the tv and monitor space Samsung Display will probably speed up development on QD-Oled's successor QNED(Quantum Nanorod Emitting Diode not to be confused with LG Electronics' LCD branding).
QNED is the same as QDEL, right? It's a technology that seems to have changed names a couple of times already (not long ago this was referred to as Nano-LED).
@@GAG091186 No I don't think so. QDEL is Quantum Dot Electro Luminescence which is where the Quantum dots themselves emit light . With QNED it's another material used other than oled to emit light and the Quantum Dots convert the light to red and green and passes through the blue light.
@@FrowningTaco OK, thanks for the clarification. I've actually heard about QNED on the Stop the FOMO RUclips channel quite some time ago, but I just assumed that QNED was the same as QDEL, aka rebranding, as LG just took the QNED name for their MiniLED TVs.
@@GAG091186 No, QNED uses blue galliium nitride nanorod particles that are in the 100s of nm range in size and still uses a color filter, whereas quantum nanodots are just a few nm in size and offer the purest reproduction of each respective wavelength and don't use a color filter at all.
@@GAG091186 it should be noted that Sharp has QDEL technology that they are readying for production, they showed off their tech at CES this year (Digital Trends did a video)
Thinking of getting a LG G4 instead of a monitor next black friday since i mostly play singleplayer games nowadays. it absolutely blew everything else away when i saw it at the store this week. including tv's and monitors.
Samsung did themselves no favors by waiting so long to even get in the OLED TV market in the first place. LG had nearly a decade to themselves in that market allowing them to absolutely dominate the market share in the OLED TV market. Most people when they hear OLED TV, they think about LG.
Samsung stopped caring about making the best product a few years ago. They have made it their priority to make the most profit per unit. Even at the expense of better quality and a better product. Happened with their phones and their warranty.
I have a Sony QD Oled, A Sony LED and a LG Oled as tv's .. And the QD Oled is my absolute favorite to watch movies and series on. It just looks better. At least for the money I paid for it, here in the Netherlands (price at release was 4400 euro, when it went to 4K a few monts later, I made a deal for a huge discount of 700 off it, as well.), I got what I expected... the best TV A95K at that year. I am also in the market for a Asus QD Oled monitor, as a add-on. It would be a shame if QD Oled would stop. Its beautiful to look at, it really is.
@@avpedmond1923 I don't have issues with TV watching. I wouldn't let the TV stand on a a channel like CNN with all that static stuff displayed all day every day, but with normal watching or streaming I have no issues. For gaming I use the LG C2 (W)OLED. I game a lot and long at nights on a console. No issues there. On the LG C2, I do a pixel refresh or how you wanna call it from time to time, just to be sure. QD Oled for PC use .... I have the Asus on my shortlist, but as a add-on to my normal 32 inch LED monitor. Why throw a monitor away, if I can use it then for displaying the browser, and other stuff I have on screen all the time. PC and OLED, you need to be careful. The Asus or whatever brand I might use will be used from gaming and other content on PC only.
i just got my 32inch QD-Oled Monitor from MSI wich is the only one that is somewhat available in Europe at the moment and i have to say i am very happy with it. Colors response times, just the usual quality of an Oled! As someone who only had WOLED so far i must say that the amount of light the QD Oled absorbs is quite irritating. as soon as their is the slightest bit of daylight (not talking about reflections, just ambient light) in the room the entire display looks grey. It is not a dealbreaker for me but its definitely a lot more annoying then i thought because it takes away that inky black look i am used to on my WOLED.
I have more faith in QD-OLED because strictly the logistics behind it. I doubt Samsung would invest so heavily into OLEDS just to then back track and go back to LCD anyway in less than 3-4 years. Especially since the monitor side right now is seeing resounding success. All of the technical issues are already being solved soon. Brightness/burnin etc. I just don’t believe that Samsung would abandon their really only large market segment to LG just because of some changes. It’s worth it to them to stay in the game.
I just wanna point out that your first point (that Samsung Electronics buying LG WOLED displays means they don’t believe in QD-OLED) is in disagreement with an analysis from Linus on LMG Clips that I just watched. Linus’ take was that Samsung Electronics (different from Samsung Display) was buying WOLEDs from LG Display because they’re cheaper than QD-OLED and they felt that this might put pressure on Samsung Display to drive down the cost of QD-OLED, which would be a win/win for Samsung Electronics. I’m curious what you think of this take.
It should be noted that Samsung Electronics and Display have been in a large disagreement for some time now. Samsung Display is the result of the S-LCD joint-venture between Sony and Samsung, which Samsung bought in 2012. Around the same time, Samsung Electronics adapted the AMOLED technology from what was then their Mobile Display division to the large screen with little success (low yield), this led them to abandon the technology quickly, but Samsung Display continued development. LG found great succes with their WOLED tech, and was quick to adapt it and Samsung Electonics began smearing the OLED name with their QLED branding, which led to a large chasm between Electronics and Display as Display was already all-in on the development of AMOLED tech. Electronics then started developing mini-LED on it's own (this is now handled by Samsung Semiconductor), potentially because it doesn't share the same belief in the future of this technology as Display does. Samsung Electronics doesn't use the QD-OLED branding on any of it's TVs. There are still a lot of issues and increased complexity with QD-OLED tech that is keeping the price high. QD-OLED uses blue OLEDs, which are notorious for their lower efficiency than other OLED compounds. To make any sort of brightness happen they have to stack multiple layers together. This is not a solved issue even then as you can see in RTings their OLED burn-in tests that QD-OLED does do a lot worse when it comes to burning in compared to WOLED. I don't think it's some sort of tactical move to drive down the cost of QD-OLED, as that's simply not possible in the current state despite moving to inkjet. A higher efficiency emitter was supposed to come out, but it's been postponed in to Q2 2025. Sony abandoning QD OLED before, and a lack of other TV manufacturers jumping in on the technology might indicate that that lack of belief might not be unfounded and there could be some serious reliability issues later on.
@@verttisyrjala2897 I’m concerned about longevity. Want it to last and it’s not a good sign that after a few years Samsung may not make any more. How do you get parts or replacement if there is an issue?
Sorry bro but this whole video is clickbait and I basically wasted 10 minutes of my time. Do you actually believe Samsung will abandon a technology that is superior than LG's WOLED panels? Have you actually seen an S95D TV? You are blasting it's anti-glare screen without seeing it. Most reviewers that saw it absolutely love the anti-glare matting.
after doing my own research i decided mini LED is better for my own use case. OLED does look amazing but mini LED ticks all of the boxes for me (and its cheaper)
Im prettt happy about getting the s89c 77 inch for only 1799! In usa its guaranteed qd oled gen 2 and will take a macro shot with my phone to check pixels just in case
I think QDEL will overtake both types of OLED As long as there isnt some major flaw they arent talking about QDEL is -Single layer(supposedly) with the light and color being created on the same layer -CHEAP AF being able to use existing LCD manufacturing lines with very little modofication(no need to have a vacuum sealed production line, high heat, or special gasses, the real reason i think it will take over is cost, imagine a 25 inch 1440p240hz QDEL thats only $300 and has color/contrast just as good as QD-OLED) -(Possibly) easy to create a pixel layout that follows the standard LCD to help with the annoying fringing around text.
I dont see QD-OLED going anywhere. Samsung doesn't just develop new technology like this for funsies. I think they will continue to refine the tech, and once more of its flaws are sorted out it will be the only choice for panel makers When a casual sees both side by side, the wow factor comes from QD-OLED colors, not from black levels. With some optimization of lighting conditions you get both.
Burn-in is a problem they've not been able to resolve for countless years now ever since non-QD OLED panels began entering the market in TV's. I don't see them resolving it anytime soon.
The fact that Samsung Electronics is purchasing panels from LG Display is just as much geopolitical as it is pragmatic for both entities. Just this year Samsung Electronics is punishing BOE by not purchasing their ADS Pro panels due to some trade secret infringement. LG Display is facing tough times as they have the capability to ramp up production of OLED panels but LG Electronics is not a sufficient seller in the space to sell enough units for their production. So in comes the highest volume player in TVs, Samsung Electronics to buy panels from LG Display to get their production plants to where they need to be to turn a profit. Also for Samsung Electronics, buying panels from their South Korean competitor is better than getting increasingly priced gouged by the Chinese panel makers especially in light of the trade secret fiasco. Your opinion on the S95D, which is purely based on the panel coating is also not evidence of Samsung Electronics nerfing QD OLED. The S95D has been independently measured at 1700-1800 nits 10% window sustained and 2100 nits 2% window. If you’ve been keeping tabs in the first 3 years of the technology, the flagship product implementing it has had a 40% improvement year over year. If anything the anti glare coating is a move to popularize QD OLED displays to a wider audience. Multiple reviewers have stated that the finish on the S95D is also not cheap and plasticky looking like most matte coatings, but its own new implementation that still looks ultra premium. If anything, QD OLED is so good and relatively cheaper to manufacture that it may have stalled the production of other future display tech like micro LED, QDEL etc. from getting into the mainstream consumer space for a decade. Your channel is also dedicated to reviewing about products from 5 or 6 partners of Samsung Display in the monitor space, so manufacturers are buying QD OLED. Also the Sony A95L is fairly widely known to be a 2 Year carryover so the panels are being bought but they’re going into a 2023 model which is why you don’t see QD OLED tech in the 2024 lineup although it will be sold concurrently with it and remain the flagship along with their new Mini LED model. As mentioned above LG Electronics has enough supply of OLED panels and pressure to sell them from their display arm that they cannot purchase from Samsung display even if their wanted to. If you’re looking to be an objective reviewer and a serious player in the testing and recommendation space, you have to start checking more of your biases at the door and accept there are more reasons that companies make decisions that are not driven by absolute performance or to please enthusiasts. Ultimately you gain consumers by making the best product but you cease to exists if you don’t make money on it. All your points in this video I think were invalid in proving your click baity title. You can do better.
I'm just sitting here wondering why the old and flawed Neo G7 and G8 are still the best 4K HDR LCD monitors, and Samsung won't seize their lead in this category and release an updated version that fixes their issues. OLED is cool and all, but for as long as it won't reach over 400 nits in most scenarios and suffers from burn-in, mini-LEDs will have a purpose. They shouldn't be completely abandoned in the OLED gold rush.
Blue light of quantum dot was oled killer since the day one. I never considered to buy any samsung qd-oled ever. It is way too expensive, no dolby vision, no adequate gaming features implemented.
Dear friend @@XeqtrM1 As you know, samsung declared war against Dolby Vision brand and license since the very beginning. Therefore, none of the samsung qd-oled TV's have Dolby Vision support.
Not saying that your 2025 predictions are incorrect but some of your evidence is. While yes there is the original sense of a panel lottery in place(i.e. whether or not Samsung Electronics actually may not give you the panel you were aiming for, which is a at least 2 decades old of a practice), where Samsung Electronics may use WOLED panels from LG Display, not just Sony is using that panel tech in 2024. I wouldn't call that supporting evidence. The Samsung S95D *is* using the latest QD-OLED panel at least for some sizes. There will be plenty of S90D as well that are using last years generation of QD-OLED. Also, the A95K from Sony is a 2022 model. The A95L is a 2023 model and is expected to carry over for all of 2024, or least until summer. That also uses QD-OLED from Samsung Display and are still very much in production. Sony has not abandoned QD-OLED for this year. And now there are other branded computer monitors based on QD-OLED that have an improved subpixel layout for text. Koren Samsung Display wants to make QD-OLED because they are no longer interested in LCD which is dominated by Chinese panel makers that can use cheaper labor to make profit. Samsung Electronic has been reluctant to adopt QD-OLED because they spent a decade attacking LG OLED for burn-in. They have to slowly reverse their marketing.
All Samsung needs to do is fix black level raise under light which they already have a fix for but aren't doing yet. With that out of the way I think QD-OLED is the objectively better buy for 99% of people.
Let's see how much actually 4000-nit content actually shows up. I worry about the content before I upgrade the hardware. If we start seeing an influx of 4000-nit content, especially on streaming services, I'll likely upgrade.
Samsung Display sold to Sony at huge price , Samsung TVs dumped them on the market . No trust for a 3rd party- I mean 77" QD-OLED for USD 1900 in the States . I read this story a few days ago . Yes workers went to other projects . But they will keep production , probably improve yields etc and tweak. Also probably in a holding pattern, waiting Blue Pho-LED . Apparently both Samsung and LG promising 4000Nits on display side ( not on TVS ) . This is because they want to stack 4 layers. So depends what workers , developers/scientists or project/manufacturing. Maybe some went to develop their own MLA , Samsung likes to copy. So TVs will continue , probably most boost will be in the Monitor space , Samsung needs to up sizes to compete with LG in 42" to 48" , though more 36" needed . Same for MLA+ LG Display probably sells 65" for OK price , but big price for 77" and 83" Yields is everything the Japan Oled consortium struggled for years . TSMC is the best at getting yields with things that take 300 steps plus . Every step needs to be like 99.9% successful and that would only give 74% success rate ie .999 to power of 300 Given that things that were incredibly hard 30 years ago , 2 bit companies can do easy now with right tools
Hey. Wanted to buy ROG PG34WCDM, but following your advice, and not. Would you recommend something instead though? Curved, 34 UW, and has hdmi 2.1? Or should I wait until Samsung releases its gen 3 OLEDS? Thank you in advance.
what's wrong with the PG34WCDM let me guess the matte coating believe me I had the PG27aqdm and the MSI MPG271QRX next to each other you can hardly see a difference but what I can tell you the black values during the day are shit on the QD OLED and if you don't If you happen to be sitting in a darkroom, I would advise you to use a matte coating
Could be possible they are trying to add a actual different model to their portfolio. Since they pretty much have two versions that are near identical and a flagship, along with being able to see which one is really the future.
it'd be sad if QD-oled's gone, since WOLED has severe color volume problems, but the average consumer doesn't care about that. But truth to be told if QD-OLED was to go away i'd just be looking at mini/microled instead. Absolutely done with WOLEDs.
Dude we're all still waiting on your tutorial on how to buff out the matte finish on monitors....whats going on dude and why are you not responding to our requests???
@@thedisplayguy DUDE? You reviewed all these monitors have you not? How do you not have a SINGLE matte monitor in your possession and you're a monitor reviewer??? Something isn't right here. Are you faking these reviews and you don;t actually have any monitors at all??? How do you not have an old matte monitor laying around and you're a techtuber?? I have three. Just buy a $200 matte monitor and make a video.
My opinion why Manufacturers dont buy qd oled tv panels. Reported very fragile coating of Qd oled panels. Only heard such problems about Qd oled panels.
You are working on a false assumption. Samsung can still have QD OLED even using OLED panels manufactured by LG. QD OLED has a blue pixel emissive layer and a QD color conversion layer for the red and green pixels. For a large enough customer like Samsung a company like LG used to manufacturing panels for other companies would definitely be willing to make a custom line of blue pixel only panels for Samsung to integrate with their QD color conversion layer tech. Given rumors abound that Samsung are having problems integrating the more efficient, longer life blue PHOLED tech that was recently announced it is possible that Samsung are going to just buy this part from LG in the interim.
I don’t think QDOLED is dying soon not with the way Sony adapts the technology especially with their new chips coming out this year. They’re definitely going to destroy Samsung QDLED. I was going to get the S 95D just because I have a bright room but the controversy with this TV just makes me want to check for the G4 or the 95 M
here i am getting ready to buy a new qd oled model every year to get next years models with dp2.1 and then the year after with higher peak brightness and so on , my poor wallet. maybe we never get to see them. also i do not find the roadmaps for samsung and lg display for 2025 anymore?
LG has first move advantage, better pricing, and better availability. I mean you go on their website and can instantly get 15% off anything with a promo code that's worked for months now - plus cashback using credit card offers and other sites. They'd have had my business with their 27" monitor already if the coating on that one wasn't so egregious. Pricing is good on some models, but Samsung QD-OLED monitors just can't get it together with their availability. QD-OLED colors are better but not everyone can live with that magenta tint. I do think in general the tech will be short-lived. I don't know what it is but my eyes agree more with W-OLED in terms of eye strain and comfort.
Samsung doesn’t have a qd oled problem it has a marketing problem. It’s hard to compete when every reviewer downplays all lg flaws and over exaggerates Samsung and Sony flaws. LG has the influencers all in their pocket. No other explanation for the c3 outselling the s90c. Performance isn’t even in the same realm yet lg sales are sky high because of the influencers.
Only thing QD is superior on now is their colour saturation, other manufacturers have caught up with the brightness and surpassed it, they figure the colour saturation, QD won't be that special anymore.
1. Samsung electonics and samsung display are two different companies. Samsung electronics using Woled and Qdoled is no different than Sony doing the same thing. 2. Sony makes a Qdoled! The A95L! This is such uninformed trash.
@CDSparks Sony is not abandoning Qdoled. The A95L released late last year, it will continue to be manufactured until they release a newer version in 2025.
Dont listen to his conclusions TFT central already listed and other websites long time ago go a 2025 oled monitor roadmaps, they will work with lg for sure but will never abandon this tech, monitors and tv are so good looking they cant take the risk of producing less beautiful colors because people will automatically feel the downgrade and will never go back. Monitor is a god damn niche and qd oled here are selling rly well they cant risk to sell us future downgrade as we will automatically see it and they wont make any profit.. His channel is a litteral clickbait nothing is official and yet he is writing bulshit title to make views like 95% of his channel
"leaves red tint in black scene"....No it doesn't, and if it does, then either your monitor is defective and/or your colour settings are severely out of whack.
Samsung Display QD-OLED for TV's have 2 huge problems because they only sell from 2 TV manufacturer's. Samsung Electronics (problem 1): Lack of QC, shoddy build quality (s89 in particular but s90 too), only 1 year limited warranty which doesn't include burn-in and even when it qualifies they try to weasel out of. Firmware updates nerfing performance. Basically the Samsung disease that is Samsung. Sony (problem 2): Sony makes excellent products but because Samsung Display is overcharging for the panel they are priced completely out of their class. When factoring sales outlets, literally twice as much as their competition. Sony has officially abandoned qd-oled panel technology going forward (most likely due to this) and has said they are going with mini-led for 4k nits and to regather profit margins. Meanwhile the LG G4 has now already eclipsed the only 6 month old A95L. Sony also plans to sell a WOLED panel later this year to fill their market niche for these consumers. This is essentially the death nail for qd-oled tech in the high end television markets.
This is the perfect answer, and exactly why I got the g4 this year. The torture I went through with the s95c, my god. I dont even really consider a samsung an option anymore and sonys prices are absurd, plus they launch late.
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it's kinda simple tbh. all samsung has to do is releasing 24' 1440p and 27' 4k QD-Oleds and they will sell like hot cake.
Samsungs own fault right there.
Qd-oled panels might have their problems but their colors are better than anything else
yeah and anyone using youtube to base judgement on it, go see one in person if you are thinking about getting one. youtube doesn't show just how good the contrast and colors really are. qd oled is the only way to go.
Agree
@@tomgreene5388 woled better
@tomgreene5388 I've had my aw3225qf for just about three months and I'm still blown away by the colors and contrast constantly.
@@veilmontTV same, I was hesitant about spending so much on a monitor and thought it wouldn't be that much better, but it really is. And it makes movies better. Well worth the money.
1. You're right that Samsung Electronics never believed in QD-Oled and considers Microled the true successor of LCD.
2. Samsung Display will not go back to LCD miniled production they sold their patents and manufacturing to TCL CSOT.
3. If QD Oled is not seen as competitive in the tv and monitor space Samsung Display will probably speed up development on QD-Oled's successor QNED(Quantum Nanorod Emitting Diode not to be confused with LG Electronics' LCD branding).
QNED is the same as QDEL, right? It's a technology that seems to have changed names a couple of times already (not long ago this was referred to as Nano-LED).
@@GAG091186 No I don't think so. QDEL is Quantum Dot Electro Luminescence which is where the Quantum dots themselves emit light . With QNED it's another material used other than oled to emit light and the Quantum Dots convert the light to red and green and passes through the blue light.
@@FrowningTaco OK, thanks for the clarification. I've actually heard about QNED on the Stop the FOMO RUclips channel quite some time ago, but I just assumed that QNED was the same as QDEL, aka rebranding, as LG just took the QNED name for their MiniLED TVs.
@@GAG091186 No, QNED uses blue galliium nitride nanorod particles that are in the 100s of nm range in size and still uses a color filter, whereas quantum nanodots are just a few nm in size and offer the purest reproduction of each respective wavelength and don't use a color filter at all.
@@GAG091186 it should be noted that Sharp has QDEL technology that they are readying for production, they showed off their tech at CES this year (Digital Trends did a video)
you gotta dial the clickbait back a bit man jesus
How else to get views 😂
Stop panicking 😂😂😂 keep cool calm & collected at all times
Thinking of getting a LG G4 instead of a monitor next black friday since i mostly play singleplayer games nowadays. it absolutely blew everything else away when i saw it at the store this week. including tv's and monitors.
Get a monitor
Get the G4
Samsung did themselves no favors by waiting so long to even get in the OLED TV market in the first place. LG had nearly a decade to themselves in that market allowing them to absolutely dominate the market share in the OLED TV market. Most people when they hear OLED TV, they think about LG.
They were actually around at the same time they just left and came back
Samsung stopped caring about making the best product a few years ago. They have made it their priority to make the most profit per unit. Even at the expense of better quality and a better product. Happened with their phones and their warranty.
I'm an optimist. This means they're invested fully in microLED.
There have been no breakthroughs in micro LED. Micro LED might never happen
I have a Sony QD Oled, A Sony LED and a LG Oled as tv's .. And the QD Oled is my absolute favorite to watch movies and series on. It just looks better. At least for the money I paid for it, here in the Netherlands (price at release was 4400 euro, when it went to 4K a few monts later, I made a deal for a huge discount of 700 off it, as well.), I got what I expected... the best TV A95K at that year. I am also in the market for a Asus QD Oled monitor, as a add-on. It would be a shame if QD Oled would stop. Its beautiful to look at, it really is.
QD OLED is really amazing, but how about the burn in problem if using the Tv or Gaming Monitor 8 hours more per day ? Can it handle ?
@@avpedmond1923 I don't have issues with TV watching. I wouldn't let the TV stand on a a channel like CNN with all that static stuff displayed all day every day, but with normal watching or streaming I have no issues. For gaming I use the LG C2 (W)OLED. I game a lot and long at nights on a console. No issues there. On the LG C2, I do a pixel refresh or how you wanna call it from time to time, just to be sure. QD Oled for PC use .... I have the Asus on my shortlist, but as a add-on to my normal 32 inch LED monitor. Why throw a monitor away, if I can use it then for displaying the browser, and other stuff I have on screen all the time. PC and OLED, you need to be careful. The Asus or whatever brand I might use will be used from gaming and other content on PC only.
Mini led monitors are actually more expensive in my country than QD-OLED one. Amoled monitors will hardly able to able replace qd oled anytime soon.
i just got my 32inch QD-Oled Monitor from MSI wich is the only one that is somewhat available in Europe at the moment and i have to say i am very happy with it. Colors response times, just the usual quality of an Oled! As someone who only had WOLED so far i must say that the amount of light the QD Oled absorbs is quite irritating. as soon as their is the slightest bit of daylight (not talking about reflections, just ambient light) in the room the entire display looks grey. It is not a dealbreaker for me but its definitely a lot more annoying then i thought because it takes away that inky black look i am used to on my WOLED.
I have more faith in QD-OLED because strictly the logistics behind it. I doubt Samsung would invest so heavily into OLEDS just to then back track and go back to LCD anyway in less than 3-4 years. Especially since the monitor side right now is seeing resounding success. All of the technical issues are already being solved soon. Brightness/burnin etc.
I just don’t believe that Samsung would abandon their really only large market segment to LG just because of some changes.
It’s worth it to them to stay in the game.
I just wanna point out that your first point (that Samsung Electronics buying LG WOLED displays means they don’t believe in QD-OLED) is in disagreement with an analysis from Linus on LMG Clips that I just watched. Linus’ take was that Samsung Electronics (different from Samsung Display) was buying WOLEDs from LG Display because they’re cheaper than QD-OLED and they felt that this might put pressure on Samsung Display to drive down the cost of QD-OLED, which would be a win/win for Samsung Electronics.
I’m curious what you think of this take.
It should be noted that Samsung Electronics and Display have been in a large disagreement for some time now. Samsung Display is the result of the S-LCD joint-venture between Sony and Samsung, which Samsung bought in 2012. Around the same time, Samsung Electronics adapted the AMOLED technology from what was then their Mobile Display division to the large screen with little success (low yield), this led them to abandon the technology quickly, but Samsung Display continued development.
LG found great succes with their WOLED tech, and was quick to adapt it and Samsung Electonics began smearing the OLED name with their QLED branding, which led to a large chasm between Electronics and Display as Display was already all-in on the development of AMOLED tech. Electronics then started developing mini-LED on it's own (this is now handled by Samsung Semiconductor), potentially because it doesn't share the same belief in the future of this technology as Display does. Samsung Electronics doesn't use the QD-OLED branding on any of it's TVs.
There are still a lot of issues and increased complexity with QD-OLED tech that is keeping the price high. QD-OLED uses blue OLEDs, which are notorious for their lower efficiency than other OLED compounds. To make any sort of brightness happen they have to stack multiple layers together. This is not a solved issue even then as you can see in RTings their OLED burn-in tests that QD-OLED does do a lot worse when it comes to burning in compared to WOLED.
I don't think it's some sort of tactical move to drive down the cost of QD-OLED, as that's simply not possible in the current state despite moving to inkjet. A higher efficiency emitter was supposed to come out, but it's been postponed in to Q2 2025. Sony abandoning QD OLED before, and a lack of other TV manufacturers jumping in on the technology might indicate that that lack of belief might not be unfounded and there could be some serious reliability issues later on.
So would you not recommend buying a QD OLED now? I was considering the S90C.
Me too idk what to do now
@@jordanchance4939 problem is I can’t afford the G4, I need a 77 inch
That's not what he is saying. Qd-oled is undoubtedly still better than woled. The S90C is an incredible TV.
@@verttisyrjala2897 I’m concerned about longevity. Want it to last and it’s not a good sign that after a few years Samsung may not make any more. How do you get parts or replacement if there is an issue?
Sorry bro but this whole video is clickbait and I basically wasted 10 minutes of my time. Do you actually believe Samsung will abandon a technology that is superior than LG's WOLED panels? Have you actually seen an S95D TV? You are blasting it's anti-glare screen without seeing it. Most reviewers that saw it absolutely love the anti-glare matting.
Its better than lg matte on monitors
Yes, samsung will abandon it if there isn't a market.
after doing my own research i decided mini LED is better for my own use case. OLED does look amazing but mini LED ticks all of the boxes for me (and its cheaper)
But the blooming?
@@edwinwebber5776That’s why I’m loving my QD OLED I hated the blooming lol
@@edwinwebber5776blooming is the least of your concern. BURN IN should be the major concern for QD OLED
Im prettt happy about getting the s89c 77 inch for only 1799! In usa its guaranteed qd oled gen 2 and will take a macro shot with my phone to check pixels just in case
I think QDEL will overtake both types of OLED
As long as there isnt some major flaw they arent talking about QDEL is
-Single layer(supposedly) with the light and color being created on the same layer
-CHEAP AF being able to use existing LCD manufacturing lines with very little modofication(no need to have a vacuum sealed production line, high heat, or special gasses, the real reason i think it will take over is cost, imagine a 25 inch 1440p240hz QDEL thats only $300 and has color/contrast just as good as QD-OLED)
-(Possibly) easy to create a pixel layout that follows the standard LCD to help with the annoying fringing around text.
Why people are not talking about the new QDEL display that SHARP has created which is considered to be the pinnacle of display technology
I dont see QD-OLED going anywhere. Samsung doesn't just develop new technology like this for funsies.
I think they will continue to refine the tech, and once more of its flaws are sorted out it will be the only choice for panel makers
When a casual sees both side by side, the wow factor comes from QD-OLED colors, not from black levels. With some optimization of lighting conditions you get both.
Burn-in is a problem they've not been able to resolve for countless years now ever since non-QD OLED panels began entering the market in TV's. I don't see them resolving it anytime soon.
@@JynxedKoma clearly an issue so large that they can't seem to sell them... oh wait they've been sold out the second they become available for months
The fact that Samsung Electronics is purchasing panels from LG Display is just as much geopolitical as it is pragmatic for both entities.
Just this year Samsung Electronics is punishing BOE by not purchasing their ADS Pro panels due to some trade secret infringement.
LG Display is facing tough times as they have the capability to ramp up production of OLED panels but LG Electronics is not a sufficient seller in the space to sell enough units for their production. So in comes the highest volume player in TVs, Samsung Electronics to buy panels from LG Display to get their production plants to where they need to be to turn a profit.
Also for Samsung Electronics, buying panels from their South Korean competitor is better than getting increasingly priced gouged by the Chinese panel makers especially in light of the trade secret fiasco.
Your opinion on the S95D, which is purely based on the panel coating is also not evidence of Samsung Electronics nerfing QD OLED. The S95D has been independently measured at 1700-1800 nits 10% window sustained and 2100 nits 2% window. If you’ve been keeping tabs in the first 3 years of the technology, the flagship product implementing it has had a 40% improvement year over year. If anything the anti glare coating is a move to popularize QD OLED displays to a wider audience. Multiple reviewers have stated that the finish on the S95D is also not cheap and plasticky looking like most matte coatings, but its own new implementation that still looks ultra premium.
If anything, QD OLED is so good and relatively cheaper to manufacture that it may have stalled the production of other future display tech like micro LED, QDEL etc. from getting into the mainstream consumer space for a decade.
Your channel is also dedicated to reviewing about products from 5 or 6 partners of Samsung Display in the monitor space, so manufacturers are buying QD OLED. Also the Sony A95L is fairly widely known to be a 2 Year carryover so the panels are being bought but they’re going into a 2023 model which is why you don’t see QD OLED tech in the 2024 lineup although it will be sold concurrently with it and remain the flagship along with their new Mini LED model. As mentioned above LG Electronics has enough supply of OLED panels and pressure to sell them from their display arm that they cannot purchase from Samsung display even if their wanted to.
If you’re looking to be an objective reviewer and a serious player in the testing and recommendation space, you have to start checking more of your biases at the door and accept there are more reasons that companies make decisions that are not driven by absolute performance or to please enthusiasts.
Ultimately you gain consumers by making the best product but you cease to exists if you don’t make money on it.
All your points in this video I think were invalid in proving your click baity title.
You can do better.
I'm just sitting here wondering why the old and flawed Neo G7 and G8 are still the best 4K HDR LCD monitors, and Samsung won't seize their lead in this category and release an updated version that fixes their issues.
OLED is cool and all, but for as long as it won't reach over 400 nits in most scenarios and suffers from burn-in, mini-LEDs will have a purpose. They shouldn't be completely abandoned in the OLED gold rush.
Blue light of quantum dot was oled killer since the day one.
I never considered to buy any samsung qd-oled ever.
It is way too expensive, no dolby vision, no adequate gaming features implemented.
What you mean some qd OLED monitors do have Dolby vision
Dear friend @@XeqtrM1
As you know, samsung declared war against Dolby Vision brand and license since the very beginning. Therefore, none of the samsung qd-oled TV's have Dolby Vision support.
@@ozanozkirmizi47 ok... watching on alienware 3225 with dolby certificate...
Not saying that your 2025 predictions are incorrect but some of your evidence is. While yes there is the original sense of a panel lottery in place(i.e. whether or not Samsung Electronics actually may not give you the panel you were aiming for, which is a at least 2 decades old of a practice), where Samsung Electronics may use WOLED panels from LG Display, not just Sony is using that panel tech in 2024. I wouldn't call that supporting evidence. The Samsung S95D *is* using the latest QD-OLED panel at least for some sizes. There will be plenty of S90D as well that are using last years generation of QD-OLED. Also, the A95K from Sony is a 2022 model. The A95L is a 2023 model and is expected to carry over for all of 2024, or least until summer. That also uses QD-OLED from Samsung Display and are still very much in production. Sony has not abandoned QD-OLED for this year. And now there are other branded computer monitors based on QD-OLED that have an improved subpixel layout for text. Koren Samsung Display wants to make QD-OLED because they are no longer interested in LCD which is dominated by Chinese panel makers that can use cheaper labor to make profit. Samsung Electronic has been reluctant to adopt QD-OLED because they spent a decade attacking LG OLED for burn-in. They have to slowly reverse their marketing.
All Samsung needs to do is fix black level raise under light which they already have a fix for but aren't doing yet. With that out of the way I think QD-OLED is the objectively better buy for 99% of people.
Now I am stressing out because I was about to get a 4K 240 Hz qd-oled monitor and I am concerned I should give something else instead
Wait for microLED to get in the consumer market
@@zaryl2k yeah in the year 2030+ ? Are you seriously giving this retarded advice?
4:22 the cable moved
Thanks for bringing the news
Let's see how much actually 4000-nit content actually shows up. I worry about the content before I upgrade the hardware. If we start seeing an influx of 4000-nit content, especially on streaming services, I'll likely upgrade.
Samsung Display sold to Sony at huge price , Samsung TVs dumped them on the market . No trust for a 3rd party- I mean 77" QD-OLED for USD 1900 in the States . I read this story a few days ago . Yes workers went to other projects . But they will keep production , probably improve yields etc and tweak. Also probably in a holding pattern, waiting Blue Pho-LED . Apparently both Samsung and LG promising 4000Nits on display side ( not on TVS ) . This is because they want to stack 4 layers.
So depends what workers , developers/scientists or project/manufacturing.
Maybe some went to develop their own MLA , Samsung likes to copy.
So TVs will continue , probably most boost will be in the Monitor space , Samsung needs to up sizes to compete with LG in 42" to 48" , though more 36" needed .
Same for MLA+ LG Display probably sells 65" for OK price , but big price for 77" and 83"
Yields is everything the Japan Oled consortium struggled for years . TSMC is the best at getting yields with things that take 300 steps plus . Every step needs to be like 99.9% successful and that would only give 74% success rate ie .999 to power of 300
Given that things that were incredibly hard 30 years ago , 2 bit companies can do easy now with right tools
Not gonna panic yet.. if this happens LG better figure out a way to make colors pop like QD OLED.. otherwise we are going backwards instead of forward
Hi. I am thinking about buying the asus 540hz but so should i wait for the 480hz oled if I’m running hdmi or display port to usb c
Hey.
Wanted to buy ROG PG34WCDM, but following your advice, and not. Would you recommend something instead though? Curved, 34 UW, and has hdmi 2.1? Or should I wait until Samsung releases its gen 3 OLEDS? Thank you in advance.
what's wrong with the PG34WCDM let me guess the matte coating believe me I had the PG27aqdm and the MSI MPG271QRX next to each other you can hardly see a difference but what I can tell you the black values during the day are shit on the QD OLED and if you don't If you happen to be sitting in a darkroom, I would advise you to use a matte coating
@@0rda Yeah, he was almost spitting while describing how bad PG34s matte is in one of his videos ^^
@@vladpryshlyak2025 You can also try the monitor for yourself. If you don't like it, send it back
Could be possible they are trying to add a actual different model to their portfolio. Since they pretty much have two versions that are near identical and a flagship, along with being able to see which one is really the future.
it'd be sad if QD-oled's gone, since WOLED has severe color volume problems, but the average consumer doesn't care about that.
But truth to be told if QD-OLED was to go away i'd just be looking at mini/microled instead. Absolutely done with WOLEDs.
What do you think about the Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDM?
8:15 I thought there was a hair on my phone.
Dude we're all still waiting on your tutorial on how to buff out the matte finish on monitors....whats going on dude and why are you not responding to our requests???
I don’t have any matte monitors at the moment. Probably this would happen when I get either a 32” 4K OLED G8 or the ASUS Matte LG OLED. No promises.
@@thedisplayguy DUDE? You reviewed all these monitors have you not? How do you not have a SINGLE matte monitor in your possession and you're a monitor reviewer??? Something isn't right here. Are you faking these reviews and you don;t actually have any monitors at all??? How do you not have an old matte monitor laying around and you're a techtuber?? I have three. Just buy a $200 matte monitor and make a video.
Sony is pushing miniLED as a flagship product now too.
My opinion why Manufacturers dont buy qd oled tv panels.
Reported very fragile coating of Qd oled panels. Only heard such problems about Qd oled panels.
The choice I made here in my setups:
AW3225QF for PC
QN90B for console and media
Didn't samsung figure out how to prevent burn in using new materials? So they could jus implement them into qd-oled
You are working on a false assumption.
Samsung can still have QD OLED even using OLED panels manufactured by LG.
QD OLED has a blue pixel emissive layer and a QD color conversion layer for the red and green pixels.
For a large enough customer like Samsung a company like LG used to manufacturing panels for other companies would definitely be willing to make a custom line of blue pixel only panels for Samsung to integrate with their QD color conversion layer tech.
Given rumors abound that Samsung are having problems integrating the more efficient, longer life blue PHOLED tech that was recently announced it is possible that Samsung are going to just buy this part from LG in the interim.
I don’t think QDOLED is dying soon not with the way Sony adapts the technology especially with their new chips coming out this year. They’re definitely going to destroy Samsung QDLED. I was going to get the S 95D just because I have a bright room but the controversy with this TV just makes me want to check for the G4 or the 95 M
here i am getting ready to buy a new qd oled model every year to get next years models with dp2.1 and then the year after with higher peak brightness and so on , my poor wallet. maybe we never get to see them. also i do not find the roadmaps for samsung and lg display for 2025 anymore?
Ah well. There goes my dream for a 45inch Ultrawide QD-OLED 🙃
LG has first move advantage, better pricing, and better availability. I mean you go on their website and can instantly get 15% off anything with a promo code that's worked for months now - plus cashback using credit card offers and other sites. They'd have had my business with their 27" monitor already if the coating on that one wasn't so egregious. Pricing is good on some models, but Samsung QD-OLED monitors just can't get it together with their availability.
QD-OLED colors are better but not everyone can live with that magenta tint. I do think in general the tech will be short-lived. I don't know what it is but my eyes agree more with W-OLED in terms of eye strain and comfort.
I hope not! Loving QD OLED monitors!! Unless they come out with something better I want them to stay
I just got the g9 oled now starting to think I should return for the g9 57inch mini led
Laughs in s90c.
So I should cancel my gigabyte aorus fo32u2p?
No man just get it, you will have a collector monitor
Sure, in few years maybe but now QD-OLEDs are the best.
I need a good oled tv not too expensive any recommendations anyone ? And why would you recommend it please anyone?
S89C
Lg c3
The cat looks most concerned if QD OLED will still be around~
Samsung doesn’t have a qd oled problem it has a marketing problem. It’s hard to compete when every reviewer downplays all lg flaws and over exaggerates Samsung and Sony flaws. LG has the influencers all in their pocket. No other explanation for the c3 outselling the s90c. Performance isn’t even in the same realm yet lg sales are sky high because of the influencers.
Some folks don’t want a 55 inch, gamers want 42 and smaller which is cheaper than buying a 27 inch monitor which is dimmer.
Only thing QD is superior on now is their colour saturation, other manufacturers have caught up with the brightness and surpassed it, they figure the colour saturation, QD won't be that special anymore.
1. Samsung electonics and samsung display are two different companies. Samsung electronics using Woled and Qdoled is no different than Sony doing the same thing.
2. Sony makes a Qdoled! The A95L!
This is such uninformed trash.
Sony made a TV that included a Samsung Display qd-oled panel. To his point, Sony is abondoning the qd-oled panel tech also.
@CDSparks Sony is not abandoning Qdoled. The A95L released late last year, it will continue to be manufactured until they release a newer version in 2025.
Another possibility is that Samsung are close to breaking ground on blue nanorod LED tech again.
Dont listen to his conclusions TFT central already listed and other websites long time ago go a 2025 oled monitor roadmaps, they will work with lg for sure but will never abandon this tech, monitors and tv are so good looking they cant take the risk of producing less beautiful colors because people will automatically feel the downgrade and will never go back. Monitor is a god damn niche and qd oled here are selling rly well they cant risk to sell us future downgrade as we will automatically see it and they wont make any profit.. His channel is a litteral clickbait nothing is official and yet he is writing bulshit title to make views like 95% of his channel
Bro where’s that g4 review 😊
Qd oled leaves red tint in black scene and I dont like it WOLED has pure black black
"leaves red tint in black scene"....No it doesn't, and if it does, then either your monitor is defective and/or your colour settings are severely out of whack.
@@JynxedKoma i dunno bout you but i can see it on this video it has that red or pinky color at dark
How the hell did I get unsubscribed
Next Generation OLED
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2X Peak Brightness, 3X Lifetime
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oled 0
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MiniLED sucks compared to QD-OLED.
MicroLED will crush all.
Keep dreaming...
@JynxedKoma I will, thanks bud 👍
fk... this video. never clicking this guy.
OLED is a dead tech already.
QD-OLED is garbage. WOLED is much better.
😂
Both are great
Said no one EVER!
@@NexGenTek nah
Bro is an LG fan, and he ain't good hiding it
Samsung Display QD-OLED for TV's have 2 huge problems because they only sell from 2 TV manufacturer's.
Samsung Electronics (problem 1):
Lack of QC, shoddy build quality (s89 in particular but s90 too), only 1 year limited warranty which doesn't include burn-in and even when it qualifies they try to weasel out of. Firmware updates nerfing performance. Basically the Samsung disease that is Samsung.
Sony (problem 2):
Sony makes excellent products but because Samsung Display is overcharging for the panel they are priced completely out of their class. When factoring sales outlets, literally twice as much as their competition. Sony has officially abandoned qd-oled panel technology going forward (most likely due to this) and has said they are going with mini-led for 4k nits and to regather profit margins. Meanwhile the LG G4 has now already eclipsed the only 6 month old A95L. Sony also plans to sell a WOLED panel later this year to fill their market niche for these consumers.
This is essentially the death nail for qd-oled tech in the high end television markets.
Lol sony doesn't sell much anyway n Secondly they always overcharged..remember the a90j. S89c n s90c are brilliant..
This is the perfect answer, and exactly why I got the g4 this year. The torture I went through with the s95c, my god. I dont even really consider a samsung an option anymore and sonys prices are absurd, plus they launch late.
G4 game mode is bad compared to s95c lol
@@xen9235 dont care, 4 faults in 8 months. Samsung is irrelevant
That’s why they tried on gaming monitors and if sells well at least they could still prolong qd oled’s life