Controversial one today! We expect much debate on this topic so give us your thoughts in the comments and remember: We are speaking to average weekend warriors. If you are a gun rider, then tell us why the 300 RR is better suited for you!
I bought an Xtrainer and upgraded the suspension. I thought the original was really bad. I don't know, maybe I should just set it up differently. But as I already wrote in another video, I previously drove a test one with a better suspension and I was really impressed. The reason why I took the Xtrainer instead of the RR or Racing is that I am far from a professional rider and I did not want a wild motorcycle, and the fact that it has a lower seat than the RR or Racing also contributed to this decision. Although I'm not very small, it's still good to have a lower motorcycle on challenging and hilly terrain so you can get on the ground.
I'm no racer by any means and I've never ridden a x trainer, but my 16 300rr is an awesome bike in the slow stuff for me. I've put about 140 hours on it in the 3 years I've owned it (I got it with 5 hours on it), and I love it now as much as when I first got it, if not more. I'm 5'11 and touch the ground comfortably with both feet. I agonised over whether I'd get an x trainer or a rr, and I finally decided on an rr because I'm about 110kg and I worried that the suspension on the x trainer would not cope with a bigger rider as well as the rr. I have a shock spring to suit my weight, and aside from protection gear my rr is stock as a rock. Is the bike too much for me? It's certainly capable of far more than I am. Am I intimidated by it? Not for a second. Would I trade it for an x trainer? Highly unlikely. To each their own though. Nice vid gents. P.S My 300 is my slow riding bike. I have a 480rr for the more open stuff. Life is good 😁
G’day Bill. That’s incredible to have put 135 hours on a bike! Not many people get to know a bike that well. I’m glad the 300RR is working for you. The 480RR must be a weapon in open terrain.
@@HardUNduro I've been riding 40 years and I'd have to say that 300 is the all time favourite, and I was a staunch 4T man before I got it. I was wondering if those older Beta's were lower to the ground than the new ones. I used to ride with a fella who had a TPI KTM 300 and it was much taller than my 300. I've never ridden a newer Beta 300. My 480 is a 23 model though and it's noticeably taller than my 300. The 480 is a beast in the open, but it's surprisingly nimble in the tight stuff too. A very versatile bike.
@@bushybill7189we were staunch 4T riders too. I’ve never heard if the older Beta models were lower, but the new 300RR was a lot taller than an XT naturally. Love that you have two bikes to choose from and thanks for watching!
Exactly the video I was looking for. I'm 58 and have a 2021 XT. In body size, I'm pretty much right between the size of both of you. Was considering moving to the 300RR and this put that thought to bed for me. I'm now more convinced that the XT is the bike for me. Thank you for posting this video!
Thanks, we are very glad to hear that. Have you done any Mods to your XT? We now think the perfect solution is what Furz has done in his ‘pimped’ Xtrainer video. Then the suspension and power is set to your preference and you still get change from any other Enduro bike!
Love my Xtrainer. I understand that it’s a marketing thing but it grinds my gears when people call the Xtrainer a “beginner bike.” Same people who are nearly killing themselves on other bikes. It’s a wonderful bike for all levels if its unique (wonderful) characteristics are what you are looking for.
Great video! I had a 22 XTrainer and apart from the usual modifications (mainly bash plate, radiator guards etc.) I replaced the standard exhaust with the one from the 300 rr. According to Dyno it gained almost exactly 10 hp more. What was surprising was that the good-natured character and the torque in the lower range were retained. I'm a two-stroke rider and have had everything from 250 to 300 , carby, TPI, KTM, GasGas (real ones), beta, but the Trainer's engine was the best I've ever owned. Like you I am a weekend warrior, just a lot older and maybe a tiny little bit quicker. I now have a 23 300 RR Race Edition and that is very similar to the standard RR just that it has no OI. Unfortunately you haven't tested the RR in its "rain mode" which makes the engine quite a bit softer. However, the main disadvantages of the XTrainer are the small tank (Beta claimed 8.5 liters but in fact it were 8.2 liters @ 20° C) and the suspension that was kinda intimidating when going over 35 kph. I also did not like the limited space when working on the bike, for instance taking the carb out. I installed an Öhlins rear shock (awesome!) and a Kayaba 48 fork with Andreani triple clamps. That allowed me to go really fast but due to differences in rake and steer angle the XTrainer lost all its agility. The RR 300 needs a bit of attention suspension wise, as the KYB of the 2023 ( I currently own) is still too firm. If that is done I think the RR 300 is more versatile and can do everything from slow to fast. The XTrainer is the better choice for very tough, tight and tricky trails and especially uphills and climbs that have a very high underdaks browning factor. Best is to have both. What would I buy next, the XTrainer or the RR?.Probably the XTrainer. Or a Rieju Ranger which is an XTrainer with a few more HP and a better suspension (Kayaba 46 forks). Keep up the good work!
G’day Steve. Thanks for that reply. You have a lot of experience with the Betas and that’s some great information! Can I clarify you didn’t do any re-jetting when you put the RR pipe on your XT? We have heard this a few times now, and if so I might eventually do this to our standard XT if the low end stays good natured as you mention. We will have to test a Rieju Ranger soon I think!
@@HardUNduro G'day mate! The 300 RR pipe requires to go one size up on the main if you keep the original needle. What was very surprising is, that the XTrainer revved harder and further but the RR pipe did not sacrifice the low down torque and the user friendly throttle response. It kept this smooth way to pick up when you roll on the throttle. If you can keep the borrowed (?) 300 I'd say you could just take its pipe off and put it on the XTrainer for a short test. If you don't rev the nuts out of it, it will even work with the original main jet. I am sure you will be surprised how well it will behave. If you try it you could do another video 🙂 And do not hesitate to say it feels bad and picks up lousy and the bloody Austrian who gave you the hint is a wanker. Just in case that's your impression LOL. cu Steve
@@Steveman61that’s great, thanks for letting us know. Keeping that smooth application of the throttle is what I definitely don’t want to loose. When Furz put the Motoes pipe and JD jetting on his it kept the low down power but the throttle was way more responsive which he likes, but I would definitely be keen to try your suggestion on mine!
I have owned wr400 and 426. Husburg 450 and 350. I just replaced my 2018 Ktm300 tpi with a 2023 Beta 300 X trainer. I am now wondering where it has been all my life. I have never ridden a bike that I have felt so at home straight away. I can ride it way faster all day and never feel worn out. Some say its suspension is limited at higher speed, but I find it very stable. Every one that has ridden mine are shocked at how good it feels.
Hey Russel. You hit the nail on the head and this is exactly what we found. Most people that have had a test run on the xtrainer have been very surprised at how good the bike is despite what some may say. The suspension is definitely an issue with speed and if you don't spring it to your weight. 💪 Thanks for watching.
Take it out on more open higher speed trails with some woops and jumps. I have a 22 XT and I find it really down on power for a 300 Also I find the XT harsh on small bumps and way too soft on small jumps. I had a Yamaha DT200 2 stroke dual purpose years ago and it had better suspension and more power than the XT. It was impressive.
Hello friends! Your video applies exactly to me! During the enduro holiday in Bosnia, we tested the RR for days. It was a good experience. At home I bought a new XTrainer because I thought it was absolutely enough for me. In fact, I'm thrilled how much easier it is to drive! I'm 176 cm and 80 kg Thank you!!! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I'm 5'3" on a good day and have my mind made up that it'll be a lowered X-trainer for me! I just subbed to your channel for all the X-trainer content! I'm currently on a TTR 230 and have been riding for 1 year.
I've got a 23 x trainer with a cheap lowering link, I'm short, fat and useless. But the x trainer is absolutely brilliant. I ride rocks and streams with no issues whatsoever
You can’t really compare the suspension seeing as it’s fully clicker adjustable. Did you try different settings? Or try the different map settings? Definitely agree on the height though. Even the 200rr is tall as anything. Also I’m not trying to bust ya balls. But get some decent tracks to ride on. That was all slow, tight, sandy shit. Right conditions and set up and I think you would have a different opinion. Peace fellas. 👍
I’m 5”11 as well and I totally agree with what you said. I’ve got the Xtrainer after comparing 2 bikes for about half a year and the only 2 things I’m not satisfied with are the plastic being too fragile and the front forks. There are no after market plastics shrouds for 2023+ Xtrainer and the fork upgrade cost like $2700 USD to fully install which is pricey I mostly ride on very gnarly trails with hills and many big rocks or so unlike the video is mostly flat ground
Spot on. Yes the plastics are terrible. We installed polisport plastics for the white one but still no replacement tank shrouds. The DFX suspension made a huge difference and was reasonably priced for the forks and the shock. Thanks. 👍👍💪
I've seen in several videos and forums that say going to a heavier weight fork oil helps a bit. Certainly not as good as a fork upgrade, but cheap and may get you by for a while. Also, if you've got some hours on the bike, probably needs to be changed anyhow.
@@HardUNduro ah okay. It would have been interesting to see if the compression was backed off 4-5 clicks front and rear to see if it rode more plush. The RR might be set with a stiff set up on the clickers
Good question. I think if you dont have hill to lug up and you like to riding semi flat maybey the 200. Lots of things to take into account. If you're a bigger guy like me I would never take the 200. 💪👍
I think they're very different bikes so I would definitely suggest trying to ride each at some stage. If you have hills I would go the bigger engine as I believe it would lug easier. The 200s are fun but you have to gear a lot more in my opinion. 💪💪👍
That tight tree branch section is a good measure for comparing the different riding types. Combination of height mixed with width. You might need to compare the two on a more open section of track. Seems like the RR is setup more for open enduro/motocross.
Great comparison fellas. I’m like both of you where I would be more than happy with the Xtrainer. You both looked stuffed riding the RR even after a relatively short test ride.
Good vid,I ride the RR as the XT definitely lacks performance i need and to small.At 6'2" and 115 lbs before gear the RR definitely fits me better.I have used yhe RR in hard enduro and hare scrambles and it was a great pick.My bike has upgraded suspension because i found the stock stuff wanting a little.
Thanks Jeff. Yes I would agree that those like yourself who are tall the Xtrainer would be possibly too small in size. RR is an awesome bike. Cheers 💪💪🙏👍
I bought a 22MY XT thinking it would be my perfect bike, I'm 5'9" and around 168lb. I trail ride, single track that ranges from difficult to fast flowing. I gave it a shot but just couldn't get on with the breathless power delivery, found the small frame size uncomfortable ergonomically, the suspension was fine in slow stuff but hitting stones etc on faster tasks it was harsh and unforgiving. I started with exhausts, power valve springs, jets etc trying to make it feel like a proper 300 2t, mostly that worked out ok. By this time i knew it just wasn't the bike i was hoping for and the frame size was always going to be just too small. I decided not to spend a lot money on the suspension and traded it for a standard 23MY RR300. I put a skid plate and some radiator guards on the RR and i love it, Just as much if not more bottom end, but a lot more mid and top should you wish to use it, power delivery is easy to control. Frame size is larger, much more comfortable. The suspension is just so much better, still feels compliant going slow but absorbs hard hits much better. So many riders buy XTs and then spend a fortune on them, unless you are seriously vertically challenged or on limited budget (You might spend more on the XT in the long run) I'd never advice buying an XT over an RR. There really isn't that much difference in the heights, I'm 5'9” 60yo and not even an averagely talented trail rider and i can cope fine (I have an EXC200 which is much taller so maybe when i get on the RR it feels lower) Interesting review though, thanks for the content.
Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I agree with a lot of what you mention. ALs stock bike suspension is partially ok in slow but any speed its terrible hence why I modified the other Xtainer suspension and its a world of difference everywhere. Once modified, Furz bike felt a lot more powerful and responsive everywhere. Everyone I've spoken to says the 15% smaller frame and seat height gives a lot more confidence when riding, which is huge. I would have my 2020 ktm 300 (half tbi/tpi) over the 300RR. I didn't really like the RR geometry and cockpit. Having said that we're going to review the new 300 XPro beta that replaces the RR soon so stand by for that, it may change my mind. Each to their own though, and as long as we all get out on whatever bike we have, that's the important thing. Hope you get some sunshine soon 🌞. Cheers 👍👍💪💪
Awesome! I got the opportunity to ride the 300RR Race Edition, the 390RR Race Edition (4 stroke), the 200RR Race Edition, and the XTrainer before pulling the trigger. I never have had the opportunity to ride a standard RR. I ended up buying the XTrainer, basically for every detail you covered. My bike is still mostly stock, besides linkage guard, hand guards, and springs for my weight. But as my skills grow, I could see getting a pipe, jet kit, and less restrictive air filter cage to get that 300RR sort of power. Might do something like the hot rod XTrainer from last week. I picked my XTrainer back up from the shop today. The shift shaft and barrel and some other things were replaced. Upon inspection of the removed parts, there was nothing obviously wrong with them. But the new parts are in place and fully assembled and the test rider told me he couldn't replicate the problem it was having before. So they believe that maybe the shift shaft or shift drum wasn't fully seated correctly in original assembly. Who knows? I am looking forward to taking it out and giving it a good rip this weekend. The shop told me if I have any issues, let them know and they'll try to get Beta to just replace my engine. Hopefully it's all good now.
That’s incredible to have tried all of those bikes before you committed. We have heard really good things about the 200RR also which I think you have mentioned before too. Yeah the ‘Pimped’ Xtrainer is definitely the best combination in our opinion, and best value for money! I hope your XT is sorted now and you can rack up some hours on it!
Great content! I spent a lot of time in rain mode on my 22 300rr in the beginning. Took some time to find good fork settings, too. 110mm oil level, springs for my weight, clickers,l soft, bleed the air sitting on the bike...i may try 10wt on the comp leg next. No xtrainers available in Texas when I bought. At 5'9" I would have liked to sit on an XT! I fell a lot at the start, cause i couldn't touch easy. My son says my 300 feels small compared to his Husky TC250, an MX weapon for sure. I guess it's all relative.
just picked up a 2024 xtrainer last Friday haven't got it to the trails yet but putting around my tiny back yard with the dog chasing :) me I'm surprised how well it can go at a snail's pace compared to the yz250x i had. can't wait to get out and give it a whirl.
Exactly how we felt. It was so evident getting back on the Xtrainer afterwards how much more comfortable it is for us these days! Such a great opportunity to compare both together.
The thing is, you can add a fatty/performance pipe and get all the benefits of the rr on the xt. You want that added bit of snap in the throttle to help pop your front end up over downed trees etc. That last second bit of power can save you from a surprise obstacle. Personally, i own the 23 xt, and I've modified it with a fatty pipe. I would recommend anyone who is a more advanced rider to get the xt and exchange the pipe. I have a few videos of it on my channel.
Great suggestion! This is something we are trying to organise currently with some coaching videos. We certainly have some room to improve haha. What skills would you most like to see?
I tried the xtrainer around my private north eastern woods loop I didn’t even make it to the 2nd section that thing nose dives hard for me I’m around 160/71kg?(not a natural metric system guy). The rider triangle is wrong on the xtrainer too, I also ride my good buddy’s 200rr with revolved Sachs fork and I can ride really fast through heavy rock gardens or fast single track on that no issue. The RR series geometry is setup really well, instantly putts you in correct attack position. I wouldn’t recommend the xtrainer for anyone who is over 5’7 and 140/68kg. It’s truly abysmal that they don’t putt compression base valve in those forks it wouldn’t cost them that much more at all.
Yea the standard suspension is not good at all. We did the DFX kit all round and it transformed the bike. Excellent slow technical trail bike once set-up right tho. Cheers 👍
Great one guys, this is just what I needed! Also, where about is this? I’m guessing out the back of Anglesea somewhere? I’m newish to the Bellarine and have been looking somewhere slower/more interesting to ride like this!
Thanks Jeremy. Glad you liked it. Anglesea would be a great place for you to have a ride. There are some great tracks though the whole area. Anywhere along the north end you will see parking spots.
Hi Craig. To be honest we don’t do many long rides but I have been very impressed by the consumption. We often do around 40kms (25 miles) and it’s using way under half a tank, maybe around a third. We might have to go and run a tank out so we can answer that question. There are some great discussions on this FB group if you’re interested. facebook.com/groups/BetaXTrainer/permalink/5408565499234352/?mibextid=W9rl1R
@@prezzzrockwe discussed it today after this thread started and it’s something we will try to do soon. Especially since we can cover one standard Xtrainer with oil injection and one with a pipe, re-jetting and oil delete and see how different they are for total distance and who gets to tow who back to the cars!!
My mate leant me his spare KTM 300 for weekend of enduro. I’d never ridden a dirt bike before in my life. I managed to just about keep up with them as a rank amateur. I appreciate all the advice you guys offer, but it’s really not that serious. If you can ride a bike, you can ride any bike. Just get whatever bike you like and go and enjoy yourself.
@@HardUNduro exactly. I just re-read my message and I don’t feel like I made my point well. But you got it. Basically all I’m trying to say is any bike that gets you out on the trails and enjoying yourself is good enough.
Personally I haven't ridden the 200, I think it would have its place on a track or similar. I think for hard enduro I would choose the xtrrainer for the 300cc lug and smaller frame. Cheers
@@HardUNduro Thanks. I like both. Unfortunately the dealer where I live only has the 200 in stock. I will say I'm slightly concerned about the xtrainer dimensions and suspension given that I'm a larger rider in height and weight.
Great video guys and just what I needed. I bought a 23 xtrainer and always had a bit of doubt since. But this together with the pimped xtrainer put that to bed. I’m a noob rider and honestly couldn’t handle the “race” bikes. The xtrainer is the bike for my abilities and a good bike to help me grow as a rider. I love that this is not two pro racers reviewing bikes, but two average weekend warriors like many of us. New sub from me.
G’day. Really great to hear you have been able to use a couple of videos to help know the Xtrainer was the right choice for you! This is exactly why we decided to do the channel. Thanks for the feedback!
A would touch either there always falling apart brake are crap they sell a lot in the uk as well and then u see them online shortly after for sale or all the videos of people out on them have problems
Controversial one today! We expect much debate on this topic so give us your thoughts in the comments and remember: We are speaking to average weekend warriors. If you are a gun rider, then tell us why the 300 RR is better suited for you!
I bought an Xtrainer and upgraded the suspension. I thought the original was really bad. I don't know, maybe I should just set it up differently. But as I already wrote in another video, I previously drove a test one with a better suspension and I was really impressed. The reason why I took the Xtrainer instead of the RR or Racing is that I am far from a professional rider and I did not want a wild motorcycle, and the fact that it has a lower seat than the RR or Racing also contributed to this decision. Although I'm not very small, it's still good to have a lower motorcycle on challenging and hilly terrain so you can get on the ground.
That's great, we felt the same. What suspension upgrades did you do?
I'm no racer by any means and I've never ridden a x trainer, but my 16 300rr is an awesome bike in the slow stuff for me. I've put about 140 hours on it in the 3 years I've owned it (I got it with 5 hours on it), and I love it now as much as when I first got it, if not more. I'm 5'11 and touch the ground comfortably with both feet. I agonised over whether I'd get an x trainer or a rr, and I finally decided on an rr because I'm about 110kg and I worried that the suspension on the x trainer would not cope with a bigger rider as well as the rr. I have a shock spring to suit my weight, and aside from protection gear my rr is stock as a rock. Is the bike too much for me? It's certainly capable of far more than I am. Am I intimidated by it? Not for a second. Would I trade it for an x trainer? Highly unlikely. To each their own though. Nice vid gents. P.S My 300 is my slow riding bike. I have a 480rr for the more open stuff. Life is good 😁
G’day Bill. That’s incredible to have put 135 hours on a bike! Not many people get to know a bike that well. I’m glad the 300RR is working for you. The 480RR must be a weapon in open terrain.
@@HardUNduro I've been riding 40 years and I'd have to say that 300 is the all time favourite, and I was a staunch 4T man before I got it. I was wondering if those older Beta's were lower to the ground than the new ones. I used to ride with a fella who had a TPI KTM 300 and it was much taller than my 300. I've never ridden a newer Beta 300. My 480 is a 23 model though and it's noticeably taller than my 300. The 480 is a beast in the open, but it's surprisingly nimble in the tight stuff too. A very versatile bike.
@@bushybill7189we were staunch 4T riders too. I’ve never heard if the older Beta models were lower, but the new 300RR was a lot taller than an XT naturally. Love that you have two bikes to choose from and thanks for watching!
Exactly the video I was looking for. I'm 58 and have a 2021 XT. In body size, I'm pretty much right between the size of both of you. Was considering moving to the 300RR and this put that thought to bed for me. I'm now more convinced that the XT is the bike for me. Thank you for posting this video!
Thanks, we are very glad to hear that. Have you done any Mods to your XT? We now think the perfect solution is what Furz has done in his ‘pimped’ Xtrainer video. Then the suspension and power is set to your preference and you still get change from any other Enduro bike!
Only very slow riding. Is that the right element for the RR?
The RR loves to go fast. And if you're very capable it can handle the technical also. 👍👍💪
This is what I love about your channel,
Real blokes out riding bikes.
Had my D Trainer for 4 years now and i love it.
Thanks Dave , appreciate the kind words and thanks for watching. Legend! 💪💪👍👍🥇
Love my Xtrainer. I understand that it’s a marketing thing but it grinds my gears when people call the Xtrainer a “beginner bike.” Same people who are nearly killing themselves on other bikes. It’s a wonderful bike for all levels if its unique (wonderful) characteristics are what you are looking for.
We totally agree. We have ridden all types/brands/sizes and love the xtrainer. I'll take any bike I can tho haha
Great video! I had a 22 XTrainer and apart from the usual modifications (mainly bash plate, radiator guards etc.) I replaced the standard exhaust with the one from the 300 rr. According to Dyno it gained almost exactly 10 hp more. What was surprising was that the good-natured character and the torque in the lower range were retained. I'm a two-stroke rider and have had everything from 250 to 300 , carby, TPI, KTM, GasGas (real ones), beta, but the Trainer's engine was the best I've ever owned. Like you I am a weekend warrior, just a lot older and maybe a tiny little bit quicker.
I now have a 23 300 RR Race Edition and that is very similar to the standard RR just that it has no OI. Unfortunately you haven't tested the RR in its "rain mode" which makes the engine quite a bit softer. However, the main disadvantages of the XTrainer are the small tank (Beta claimed 8.5 liters but in fact it were 8.2 liters @ 20° C) and the suspension that was kinda intimidating when going over 35 kph. I also did not like the limited space when working on the bike, for instance taking the carb out. I installed an Öhlins rear shock (awesome!) and a Kayaba 48 fork with Andreani triple clamps. That allowed me to go really fast but due to differences in rake and steer angle the XTrainer lost all its agility.
The RR 300 needs a bit of attention suspension wise, as the KYB of the 2023 ( I currently own) is still too firm. If that is done I think the RR 300 is more versatile and can do everything from slow to fast. The XTrainer is the better choice for very tough, tight and tricky trails and especially uphills and climbs that have a very high underdaks browning factor. Best is to have both. What would I buy next, the XTrainer or the RR?.Probably the XTrainer. Or a Rieju Ranger which is an XTrainer with a few more HP and a better suspension (Kayaba 46 forks).
Keep up the good work!
G’day Steve. Thanks for that reply. You have a lot of experience with the Betas and that’s some great information! Can I clarify you didn’t do any re-jetting when you put the RR pipe on your XT? We have heard this a few times now, and if so I might eventually do this to our standard XT if the low end stays good natured as you mention. We will have to test a Rieju Ranger soon I think!
@@HardUNduro G'day mate! The 300 RR pipe requires to go one size up on the main if you keep the original needle. What was very surprising is, that the XTrainer revved harder and further but the RR pipe did not sacrifice the low down torque and the user friendly throttle response. It kept this smooth way to pick up when you roll on the throttle. If you can keep the borrowed (?) 300 I'd say you could just take its pipe off and put it on the XTrainer for a short test. If you don't rev the nuts out of it, it will even work with the original main jet. I am sure you will be surprised how well it will behave. If you try it you could do another video 🙂 And do not hesitate to say it feels bad and picks up lousy and the bloody Austrian who gave you the hint is a wanker. Just in case that's your impression LOL. cu Steve
@@Steveman61that’s great, thanks for letting us know. Keeping that smooth application of the throttle is what I definitely don’t want to loose. When Furz put the Motoes pipe and JD jetting on his it kept the low down power but the throttle was way more responsive which he likes, but I would definitely be keen to try your suggestion on mine!
I have owned wr400 and 426. Husburg 450 and 350. I just replaced my 2018 Ktm300 tpi with a 2023 Beta 300 X trainer. I am now wondering where it has been all my life. I have never ridden a bike that I have felt so at home straight away. I can ride it way faster all day and never feel worn out. Some say its suspension is limited at higher speed, but I find it very stable. Every one that has ridden mine are shocked at how good it feels.
Hey Russel. You hit the nail on the head and this is exactly what we found. Most people that have had a test run on the xtrainer have been very surprised at how good the bike is despite what some may say. The suspension is definitely an issue with speed and if you don't spring it to your weight. 💪 Thanks for watching.
Take it out on more open higher speed trails with some woops and jumps. I have a 22 XT and I find it really down on power for a 300
Also I find the XT harsh on small bumps and way too soft on small jumps. I had a Yamaha DT200 2 stroke dual purpose years ago and it had better suspension and more power than the XT. It was impressive.
Agree with you on the standard Xt. All the mods we did on our other XT fixed all the issues you mentioned. Cheers 🙏👍
Hard to tell when only putting around, need speed for the suspension to start working properly
Hello friends! Your video applies exactly to me! During the enduro holiday in Bosnia, we tested the RR for days. It was a good experience. At home I bought a new XTrainer because I thought it was absolutely enough for me. In fact, I'm thrilled how much easier it is to drive! I'm 176 cm and 80 kg
Thank you!!! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
G’day. Very glad to hear you are enjoying your Xtrainer and you are right in the zone for it to suit you perfectly. Thanks for watching!
I'm 5'3" on a good day and have my mind made up that it'll be a lowered X-trainer for me! I just subbed to your channel for all the X-trainer content! I'm currently on a TTR 230 and have been riding for 1 year.
G’day. That’s great to hear. Let us know how you go with a lowered Xtrainer and how you go about it!
I've got a 23 x trainer with a cheap lowering link, I'm short, fat and useless. But the x trainer is absolutely brilliant. I ride rocks and streams with no issues whatsoever
@@Lee-pt8pkhow short are you
5, 7. 5,8 something like that
Can you guys please do just a video of Al doing funny facial expressions... ! Gold 🥇🥇
I think it’s time that tables were turned onto Furz!!
You can’t really compare the suspension seeing as it’s fully clicker adjustable. Did you try different settings? Or try the different map settings? Definitely agree on the height though. Even the 200rr is tall as anything. Also I’m not trying to bust ya balls. But get some decent tracks to ride on. That was all slow, tight, sandy shit. Right conditions and set up and I think you would have a different opinion. Peace fellas. 👍
Cheers yea we were definitely limited on time and locations sadly. 👍🙏
I’m 5”11 as well and I totally agree with what you said.
I’ve got the Xtrainer after comparing 2 bikes for about half a year and the only 2 things I’m not satisfied with are the plastic being too fragile and the front forks.
There are no after market plastics shrouds for 2023+ Xtrainer and the fork upgrade cost like $2700 USD to fully install which is pricey
I mostly ride on very gnarly trails with hills and many big rocks or so unlike the video is mostly flat ground
Spot on. Yes the plastics are terrible. We installed polisport plastics for the white one but still no replacement tank shrouds. The DFX suspension made a huge difference and was reasonably priced for the forks and the shock. Thanks. 👍👍💪
I've seen in several videos and forums that say going to a heavier weight fork oil helps a bit. Certainly not as good as a fork upgrade, but cheap and may get you by for a while. Also, if you've got some hours on the bike, probably needs to be changed anyhow.
Did you back off the compression dampening on the RR to see if you could soften it up to suit you?
Hey Stephen. No we have just done these comparisons as the bikes come.
@@HardUNduro ah okay. It would have been interesting to see if the compression was backed off 4-5 clicks front and rear to see if it rode more plush. The RR might be set with a stiff set up on the clickers
No doubt it would have but it starts out very stiff.
Also bleeding the air from the forks and backing down the preload.
Im 6'2 320lbs should i consider the RR?
Hi, yes definitely, it's a bit taller and probably more suited to your height. Also the suspension is better straight up. Cheers 👍👍
Thoughts on the Xtrainer and and say a sheep 300sef 4t
I’d love to see a comparison
We would love to see what the Sherco 300 4-stroke is like. We do know someone buying one so might be a chance in the near future!
The Xtrainer should defiling lug better but the 3004t is so smooth with the power delivery
For sure. I do miss a bit of engine braking on the 2-Stroke too.
should I get a 23 Beta 200RR or the Xtrainer? I'm new to dirt bikes but had a road bike before and I have 3+ years of technical MTB.
Good question. I think if you dont have hill to lug up and you like to riding semi flat maybey the 200. Lots of things to take into account. If you're a bigger guy like me I would never take the 200. 💪👍
@@HardUNduroim sorry as I lacked information. Im a short guy 5’6, 155lbs. New england area with some hills and technical single trails
I think they're very different bikes so I would definitely suggest trying to ride each at some stage. If you have hills I would go the bigger engine as I believe it would lug easier. The 200s are fun but you have to gear a lot more in my opinion. 💪💪👍
Thanks a lot! I know which one to get now
No problem. If you can get to a dealer it is still definitely worth trying them first. Enjoy!
That tight tree branch section is a good measure for comparing the different riding types. Combination of height mixed with width.
You might need to compare the two on a more open section of track. Seems like the RR is setup more for open enduro/motocross.
It definitely went better in open sections but still seems to be very firm in the suspension.
Great comparison fellas. I’m like both of you where I would be more than happy with the Xtrainer. You both looked stuffed riding the RR even after a relatively short test ride.
Yeah it was hard work on the RR for a couple of hacks haha. It’s definitely a weapon in the right hands but the Xtrainer suits us through and through!
Good vid,I ride the RR as the XT definitely lacks performance i need and to small.At 6'2" and 115 lbs before gear the RR definitely fits me better.I have used yhe RR in hard enduro and hare scrambles and it was a great pick.My bike has upgraded suspension because i found the stock stuff wanting a little.
Thanks Jeff. Yes I would agree that those like yourself who are tall the Xtrainer would be possibly too small in size. RR is an awesome bike. Cheers 💪💪🙏👍
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I bought a 22MY XT thinking it would be my perfect bike, I'm 5'9" and around 168lb. I trail ride, single track that ranges from difficult to fast flowing. I gave it a shot but just couldn't get on with the breathless power delivery, found the small frame size uncomfortable ergonomically, the suspension was fine in slow stuff but hitting stones etc on faster tasks it was harsh and unforgiving. I started with exhausts, power valve springs, jets etc trying to make it feel like a proper 300 2t, mostly that worked out ok. By this time i knew it just wasn't the bike i was hoping for and the frame size was always going to be just too small.
I decided not to spend a lot money on the suspension and traded it for a standard 23MY RR300. I put a skid plate and some radiator guards on the RR and i love it, Just as much if not more bottom end, but a lot more mid and top should you wish to use it, power delivery is easy to control. Frame size is larger, much more comfortable. The suspension is just so much better, still feels compliant going slow but absorbs hard hits much better.
So many riders buy XTs and then spend a fortune on them, unless you are seriously vertically challenged or on limited budget (You might spend more on the XT in the long run) I'd never advice buying an XT over an RR. There really isn't that much difference in the heights, I'm 5'9” 60yo and not even an averagely talented trail rider and i can cope fine (I have an EXC200 which is much taller so maybe when i get on the RR it feels lower)
Interesting review though, thanks for the content.
Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I agree with a lot of what you mention. ALs stock bike suspension is partially ok in slow but any speed its terrible hence why I modified the other Xtainer suspension and its a world of difference everywhere.
Once modified, Furz bike felt a lot more powerful and responsive everywhere.
Everyone I've spoken to says the 15% smaller frame and seat height gives a lot more confidence when riding, which is huge.
I would have my 2020 ktm 300 (half tbi/tpi) over the 300RR. I didn't really like the RR geometry and cockpit. Having said that we're going to review the new 300 XPro beta that replaces the RR soon so stand by for that, it may change my mind.
Each to their own though, and as long as we all get out on whatever bike we have, that's the important thing.
Hope you get some sunshine soon 🌞. Cheers 👍👍💪💪
Awesome! I got the opportunity to ride the 300RR Race Edition, the 390RR Race Edition (4 stroke), the 200RR Race Edition, and the XTrainer before pulling the trigger. I never have had the opportunity to ride a standard RR. I ended up buying the XTrainer, basically for every detail you covered. My bike is still mostly stock, besides linkage guard, hand guards, and springs for my weight. But as my skills grow, I could see getting a pipe, jet kit, and less restrictive air filter cage to get that 300RR sort of power. Might do something like the hot rod XTrainer from last week.
I picked my XTrainer back up from the shop today. The shift shaft and barrel and some other things were replaced. Upon inspection of the removed parts, there was nothing obviously wrong with them. But the new parts are in place and fully assembled and the test rider told me he couldn't replicate the problem it was having before. So they believe that maybe the shift shaft or shift drum wasn't fully seated correctly in original assembly. Who knows? I am looking forward to taking it out and giving it a good rip this weekend. The shop told me if I have any issues, let them know and they'll try to get Beta to just replace my engine. Hopefully it's all good now.
That’s incredible to have tried all of those bikes before you committed. We have heard really good things about the 200RR also which I think you have mentioned before too. Yeah the ‘Pimped’ Xtrainer is definitely the best combination in our opinion, and best value for money! I hope your XT is sorted now and you can rack up some hours on it!
Bata was in Moab last week I'm 60. I rode the rr it was great thanks Bata you guys are awesome . The bike was easy to figure out 😊
Great content!
I spent a lot of time in rain mode on my 22 300rr in the beginning. Took some time to find good fork settings, too. 110mm oil level, springs for my weight, clickers,l soft, bleed the air sitting on the bike...i may try 10wt on the comp leg next.
No xtrainers available in Texas when I bought. At 5'9" I would have liked to sit on an XT! I fell a lot at the start, cause i couldn't touch easy.
My son says my 300 feels small compared to his Husky TC250, an MX weapon for sure. I guess it's all relative.
Ahh yes, we forgot to test rain mode. Maybe next time. A dialled in 300 RR is a beast for sure. 💪💪👍
just picked up a 2024 xtrainer last Friday haven't got it to the trails yet but putting around my tiny back yard with the dog chasing :) me I'm surprised how well it can go at a snail's pace compared to the yz250x i had. can't wait to get out and give it a whirl.
No doubt you will love it. Hopefully more confidence inspiring. Thanks 👍💪
There is no way I could handle a full size bike these days.
Exactly how we felt. It was so evident getting back on the Xtrainer afterwards how much more comfortable it is for us these days! Such a great opportunity to compare both together.
I'd die on a 300RR. I couldn't agree with you more, 90% of weekend riders do not need a 300 for single track.
Haha we felt the same Fred. The RR is no doubt an amazing bike if you have the ability to use it to its potential. But we do not!
I’ve got one - a gas gas - and I’m just as susceptible at crashing on a kx100 than I am on an overpowered two stroke making almost 50 hp.
The thing is, you can add a fatty/performance pipe and get all the benefits of the rr on the xt. You want that added bit of snap in the throttle to help pop your front end up over downed trees etc. That last second bit of power can save you from a surprise obstacle. Personally, i own the 23 xt, and I've modified it with a fatty pipe. I would recommend anyone who is a more advanced rider to get the xt and exchange the pipe.
I have a few videos of it on my channel.
Spot on. We have done exactly this to one of our XTrainer’s in our ‘pimped’ video. The power response difference was huge.
They did modded Xtraiber here :
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I used to ride a Husky WR300 2013 model. That thing was a weapon and not much fun on tight trails.
Thank you for this video.
No worries. Thanks for watching!
Really enjoy your videos! I would love to see you two focusing on riding videos and doing drills to improve your riding skills.
Great suggestion! This is something we are trying to organise currently with some coaching videos. We certainly have some room to improve haha. What skills would you most like to see?
bike/body balance, clutch work@@HardUNduro
@@theibaultexcellent, that will definitely be part of our coaching video. I’m also keen to show how bad we are at trying to do first gear wheelies!
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I tried the xtrainer around my private north eastern woods loop I didn’t even make it to the 2nd section that thing nose dives hard for me I’m around 160/71kg?(not a natural metric system guy). The rider triangle is wrong on the xtrainer too, I also ride my good buddy’s 200rr with revolved Sachs fork and I can ride really fast through heavy rock gardens or fast single track on that no issue. The RR series geometry is setup really well, instantly putts you in correct attack position. I wouldn’t recommend the xtrainer for anyone who is over 5’7 and 140/68kg. It’s truly abysmal that they don’t putt compression base valve in those forks it wouldn’t cost them that much more at all.
Yea the standard suspension is not good at all. We did the DFX kit all round and it transformed the bike. Excellent slow technical trail bike once set-up right tho. Cheers 👍
Great one guys, this is just what I needed!
Also, where about is this? I’m guessing out the back of Anglesea somewhere? I’m newish to the Bellarine and have been looking somewhere slower/more interesting to ride like this!
Thanks Jeremy. Glad you liked it. Anglesea would be a great place for you to have a ride. There are some great tracks though the whole area. Anywhere along the north end you will see parking spots.
Niestety Beta xtraier 2023 ma bardzo dużą wadę silnika ! D wszyscy pozbywaja się tego motocykla zanim zrobią 60 mtg
What's the defect? We have had no issues and haven't heard anything. The 24 seems fine. Cheers
Hey guys .. looking at a cross trainer this year , what sort of k's you getting out of a tank of fuel on slow technical stuff ?
Hi Craig. To be honest we don’t do many long rides but I have been very impressed by the consumption. We often do around 40kms (25 miles) and it’s using way under half a tank, maybe around a third. We might have to go and run a tank out so we can answer that question. There are some great discussions on this FB group if you’re interested. facebook.com/groups/BetaXTrainer/permalink/5408565499234352/?mibextid=W9rl1R
Thanks mate , that's a good indication for me , keep up the great videos
@@craigseymour6200no worries. Let us know if you want to see any other topics covered!
Consumption test would be great! I see this topic a lot in Beta forums. I don't think I've seen actual test done yet. @@HardUNduro
@@prezzzrockwe discussed it today after this thread started and it’s something we will try to do soon. Especially since we can cover one standard Xtrainer with oil injection and one with a pipe, re-jetting and oil delete and see how different they are for total distance and who gets to tow who back to the cars!!
Great unbiased comparison review lads, can’t wait for you to try mine mate and see what you think. Looking forward to a ride together .
Thanks. Yeah I’m really look forward to riding with you and also seeing what the Reiju is like. It’s going to happen real soon!
If you're fast enough to actually need the RR you probably don't need to ask.
Definitely true. We are not that fast so did want to ask.
That is an excellent point. I'm torn between the xtrainer and the 200 rr.
My mate leant me his spare KTM 300 for weekend of enduro. I’d never ridden a dirt bike before in my life. I managed to just about keep up with them as a rank amateur.
I appreciate all the advice you guys offer, but it’s really not that serious. If you can ride a bike, you can ride any bike. Just get whatever bike you like and go and enjoy yourself.
Most important thing is to get out and ride and have fun. Thanks for watching. 👍👍
@@HardUNduro exactly. I just re-read my message and I don’t feel like I made my point well. But you got it. Basically all I’m trying to say is any bike that gets you out on the trails and enjoying yourself is good enough.
Did you try adjusting suspension on RR to soften it up
Sadly it was on loan for a short time so we didn't get to stuff around with the suspension. No doubt it would have made a difference.
I want to see this test with the new xpro in the mix
100% so do we. We're expecting to get a demo model in September some time, so hang in there as we will definitely do a solid review. Cheers 👍
Can you register a xtrainer in aus or only rr
You can register both. Rec Reg needs less than full Reg You just need the correct lights, indicators etc. Ours are always registered Rec.
What do you all think about the xtrainer vs the 200 rr?
Personally I haven't ridden the 200, I think it would have its place on a track or similar. I think for hard enduro I would choose the xtrrainer for the 300cc lug and smaller frame. Cheers
@@HardUNduro Thanks. I like both. Unfortunately the dealer where I live only has the 200 in stock. I will say I'm slightly concerned about the xtrainer dimensions and suspension given that I'm a larger rider in height and weight.
I'm only 5'6" and it's tough for me finding smaller bikes. I installed a lower seat and lowering link in my 125X. It helps but not enough.
Hang in there. Do lots of balance practise and drills. 👍👍💪
Great video guys and just what I needed. I bought a 23 xtrainer and always had a bit of doubt since. But this together with the pimped xtrainer put that to bed. I’m a noob rider and honestly couldn’t handle the “race” bikes. The xtrainer is the bike for my abilities and a good bike to help me grow as a rider. I love that this is not two pro racers reviewing bikes, but two average weekend warriors like many of us. New sub from me.
G’day. Really great to hear you have been able to use a couple of videos to help know the Xtrainer was the right choice for you! This is exactly why we decided to do the channel. Thanks for the feedback!
Nice bicycle trail, tbh engine is not required here
Thanks for watching. 🙏
A would touch either there always falling apart brake are crap they sell a lot in the uk as well and then u see them online shortly after for sale or all the videos of people out on them have problems
So far so good. Time will tell. Cheers.