I have the vanish and love it. I also have the. XOP sticks which I also really like. I like how they’re made to attack right to the back of the vanish stand.
I use the lone wolf sticks and a millennium stand but basically the same concept. I’m considering 1 or 2 wild edge steps for next year. Just to get me that extra 3 feet or so. I don’t always need it but sometimes I would like that extra little bit of height.
I liked everything on your set up, except taking the stand up on your back, if something ever went wrong and you fell with that on your back,it wouldn't be good. I pull mine up on para cord once at hunting height.
im really torn between a lock on or a saddle. im in the south and we have plenty of straigt climbable trees so i currently hunt out of a summit openshot weighs about 15 pounds TW. im skeptical of the comfort aspect with a lock on Vs a climber so im leaning more towards a saddle.
If I didnt have a bad back I wouldn't have invested in a saddle so soon. Although now that I've sat in one for a season I don't know how I went in a "regular" stand all this time! Haha! I was a climber guy exclusively for almost 15 years. Still killed a lot of deer but always had one or two perfect spots that just didn't have perfect trees. A loc on is a great way to go, especially as the saddle system I truly think isn't for everybody. But man is it the most lightweight system to get into any tree at any height that I have found.
Another great Video. You're thoughts on the xop quick connect? I like the idea of it, but not sure about the added weight and it just being one more thing to worry about dragging up the tree.
I have full intentions of purchasing the bracket system down the road. To me, it looks like the bee's knees. The ability to hang a stand without having to hold its weight while I get the straps around the tree. Seems pretty slick!
Just my opinion. Millennium m100u is amazing!!! Way more comfort than xop. If u get the chance give a try. I’m a centre Hall native. Live in Kansas now. Hunt a ton of private land so don’t really run and gun that much. If I did I would still use the millennium. As always WE ARE!!!!!
I actually have gone to wearing Hisea neoprene/rubber boots and then using Arctic Shield Boot Covers. Keep me plenty toast but then I don't have to fiddle with toe warmers or super thick boots.
@@averagejackarchery if you don’t mind will you send me the exact boots you order like I said I bought the muck boots but for 190.00 if not going to keep my feet warm you know and they are big and bulky.
I'll be honest I didn't try it. But I will say it's a much fatter design than a LW and the flange is a lot smaller in diameter. It might be possible, but my guess is not, or it would need a different diameter rope than 8mm. The versa buttons were a cheap enough addition, less than $30 for 4 shipped, that I wanted to have them as they're tried and tested already.
Hank I did not switch buttons. I used it all season with GM accessory 8mm cord and the api sticks. I’m 250 pounds and they held me fine. I don’t think we can post pics here or I would. You can email me if you’d like and I’d share pics
Price mostly. But also, I prefer the fixed double step instead of a folding side to side style. I also knew I was going to go with a LW Versa Button rope mod, so that was extra money right out the door as well.
Mine too have the slightest bit of slop. But definitely not a dangerous amount by any means. I still prefer it over the possibility of a step getting kicked up and not straight out like with an XOP or Lone Wolf.
I haven't officially timed it, and this is still my first season, so I'm sure I'll progress faster as I use it more. Right now it takes on average 15-20minutes from arriving at the tree to nocking an arrow. Definitely not too bad time-wise!
Iv never used them b4. But why do ppl use them it's way more work and takes more time than a sit down climbers I think my stand is 14lbs. But jw do u prefer them over sit down ones?
It will not unfortunately. The API button is not flanged enough to allow ropes to pinch onto themselves. Believe me I tried a few different sizes but the flare of the button is too shallow and the rope slips off over the top once compressed.
XOP does not recommend what you did after attaching your second lower strap when you did a second cam lock on the stand. There official video recommends to ABSOLUTELY NOT do that second cam lock that you did. You should watch the official XOP website video... as they tell us what you did was dangerous & an improper way to set-up their stand.
I have the vanish and love it. I also have the. XOP sticks which I also really like. I like how they’re made to attack right to the back of the vanish stand.
Great video. Glad your young and excited about hunting. Even in the coldest temps. Been there done that in my younger years.
Concise and complete, you put together a good instructional hang and hunt vid.
Great video,love your enthusiasm, you can tell you put a lot of thought into it!!! Hope you shoot a monster!!!
A lot of videos on this topic. Nothing new here from other videos. But good to see someone else using these techniques.
I use the lone wolf sticks and a millennium stand but basically the same concept. I’m considering 1 or 2 wild edge steps for next year. Just to get me that extra 3 feet or so. I don’t always need it but sometimes I would like that extra little bit of height.
Great video and very informative, keep up the great work
Nice! Stay warm!
Can you go into further detail about your lineman rope and tether rope setup? Video was awesome!
As always great video. Thank you!
Great Video. I’ve been enjoying my API sticks as well!
The Budget Sportsman where did you get API sticks?
This is awesome! I want to do the same thing!
I liked everything on your set up, except taking the stand up on your back, if something ever went wrong and you fell with that on your back,it wouldn't be good. I pull mine up on para cord once at hunting height.
im really torn between a lock on or a saddle. im in the south and we have plenty of straigt climbable trees so i currently hunt out of a summit openshot weighs about 15 pounds TW. im skeptical of the comfort aspect with a lock on Vs a climber so im leaning more towards a saddle.
If I didnt have a bad back I wouldn't have invested in a saddle so soon. Although now that I've sat in one for a season I don't know how I went in a "regular" stand all this time! Haha! I was a climber guy exclusively for almost 15 years. Still killed a lot of deer but always had one or two perfect spots that just didn't have perfect trees. A loc on is a great way to go, especially as the saddle system I truly think isn't for everybody. But man is it the most lightweight system to get into any tree at any height that I have found.
Another great Video. You're thoughts on the xop quick connect? I like the idea of it, but not sure about the added weight and it just being one more thing to worry about dragging up the tree.
I have full intentions of purchasing the bracket system down the road. To me, it looks like the bee's knees. The ability to hang a stand without having to hold its weight while I get the straps around the tree. Seems pretty slick!
@@averagejackarchery It's on my Amazon wish list maybe Santa will come through.
Great job!
Hey carry the stand upside down, so if you fall the teeth wont hurt your neck. My dads friend did that
Great Video!
Use one aider and move it from step to step. That's the way I do it. Then take aider off top step, throw it in pocket when get in stand
Good idea!
Do you have a video showing how to do this?
I’ve never heard of this technique and I’d be interested to see how it works.
Thank you
I dont have a video no. Check out David Tom's page. Hes a saddle hunter and has a video on how to do it
I know this is an older video but I’m looking at buying the vanish stand. We are about the same hight and build. How was it for you comfort wise?
Zero complaints. Great hang and hunt stand.
Thanks. I just ordered it and there sticks. I appreciate your videos. Keep up the good work
Just my opinion. Millennium m100u is amazing!!! Way more comfort than xop. If u get the chance give a try. I’m a centre Hall native. Live in Kansas now. Hunt a ton of private land so don’t really run and gun that much. If I did I would still use the millennium. As always WE ARE!!!!!
PENN STATE!!! :)
Your a good human
Do you have to use the LW versa button for the rope mod to work with api sticks or will the ones that come with the sticks work fine?
You have to use the LW buttons as the API sticks' buttons are too deep and won't pinch the rope properly.
Thanks!
What boots do you wear? They keep your feet warm?
I actually have gone to wearing Hisea neoprene/rubber boots and then using Arctic Shield Boot Covers. Keep me plenty toast but then I don't have to fiddle with toe warmers or super thick boots.
@@averagejackarchery sounds like a good idea!
@@averagejackarchery I bought a pair of muck boots but had a lot of people say can’t keep their feet warm. Which pair do you get?
@@averagejackarchery if you don’t mind will you send me the exact boots you order like I said I bought the muck boots but for 190.00 if not going to keep my feet warm you know and they are big and bulky.
@@stevenhicks815 I have the Hisea Apollo Hunting Boots.
nice video! would the api button work with the rope mod? Is the lone wolf button required?
I'll be honest I didn't try it. But I will say it's a much fatter design than a LW and the flange is a lot smaller in diameter. It might be possible, but my guess is not, or it would need a different diameter rope than 8mm. The versa buttons were a cheap enough addition, less than $30 for 4 shipped, that I wanted to have them as they're tried and tested already.
I have API huntin sticks and did the rope mod. Works fine with 8mm accessory cord. They may or may not work for you, try at your own risk.
@@bradleygregg7522 did you change the button or keep the api button. thx
Hank I did not switch buttons. I used it all season with GM accessory 8mm cord and the api sticks. I’m 250 pounds and they held me fine. I don’t think we can post pics here or I would. You can email me if you’d like and I’d share pics
@@bradleygregg7522 would love to see pics... jamesfranklinbruce@hotmail.com Thanks!
Appreciate the video, I am a climber user as well, but my new Vanish showed up today. One question-Why did you chose API sticks over the XOP?
Price mostly. But also, I prefer the fixed double step instead of a folding side to side style. I also knew I was going to go with a LW Versa Button rope mod, so that was extra money right out the door as well.
Found the api sticks to be a poor design due to the wiggle in the steps. Does that happen with yours too?
Mine too have the slightest bit of slop. But definitely not a dangerous amount by any means. I still prefer it over the possibility of a step getting kicked up and not straight out like with an XOP or Lone Wolf.
@@averagejackarchery they get the job done. Good luck out there
How long does it take you to get set up when all goes well?
I haven't officially timed it, and this is still my first season, so I'm sure I'll progress faster as I use it more. Right now it takes on average 15-20minutes from arriving at the tree to nocking an arrow. Definitely not too bad time-wise!
what static line and cord did you use from REI?
Follow the links in the description to help you out! I used 13mm static line, and 8mm accessory cord.
Iv never used them b4. But why do ppl use them it's way more work and takes more time than a sit down climbers I think my stand is 14lbs. But jw do u prefer them over sit down ones?
The major advantage that I have found is you can climb any tree with this setup. A climber limits you to straight trees without branches.
Will the rope mod work with the API stock button?
It will not unfortunately. The API button is not flanged enough to allow ropes to pinch onto themselves. Believe me I tried a few different sizes but the flare of the button is too shallow and the rope slips off over the top once compressed.
Average Jack Archery that is for the info
Average Jack Archery do the lone wolf buttons come with the hardware?
@@curryconley4294 Yes. Bolt, nut, and washer are included.
XOP does not recommend what you did after attaching your second lower strap when you did a second cam lock on the stand. There official video recommends to ABSOLUTELY NOT do that second cam lock that you did. You should watch the official XOP website video... as they tell us what you did was dangerous & an improper way to set-up their stand.
210lbs? how frigging tall are you because you look to be about 175 tops.
6'4". During the holiday season I can push 220# 🤣