This movie was so mesmerizing. I loved it and I thought it was different. And I had no problem with the use of red. This movie was interesting bc it doesnt treat the audience like they're idiots. Movies are NOT required to answer all the questions.
@@easywriter3000 it’s told from Eva’s perspective as she’s remembering moments in Kevin’s life trying to figure out where she went wrong as a mother. She visits him during his anniversary asking him why he did it, he replies “I used to think I know, now I'm not so sure” and hugs her. Eva walks away believing it was not her fault, she still loves him and awaits the day he comes home.
It seems as though what disappoints the pink shirt guy about the movie was the point of the movie. The uncertainty of nature and the inevitable mistakes of nurture. He's trying to neatly wrap that all up into something that can be put in a sound bite. Maybe he should review action movies?
+Zan G SO agreed. I was sitting here thinking...does he not understand that the purpose of a good movie is to raise questions, NOT spoon feed you every single answer?
I think Alonso really missed the point in his critique here. If the movie had a "perspective" like he wanted, that itself would be a cop-out. The mother and son are not really separate phenomena. If he was just "born bad," was that not perhaps exacerbated by her lack of warmth or connection with him? Or if she was just a "bad mother," would that explain or be to blame for everything about how he turned out, especially when she had no problems with her second child? The questions are connected to each other and it really is a chicken-or-the-egg situation. I always wondered if the "problem" with Kevin was that he was too much like his mother... Often parents and children who are too much alike are the ones who butt heads the most. And maybe while Kevin could fool everyone else (his father especially), his mother was the only person who saw him for who he truly was (and vice versa). Even in real life situations like this, there is no simple "answer" and the film acknowledges that.
LRN_News, you completely missed the fact that he was raised by an immature mother. Kevin becomes a psychopath in his childhood because of the way he's raised. And I don't believe that sociopaths/psychopaths are born that way. I think you clearly didn't pay attention to the way his mother treated him as he grew up straight out of the womb. There was absolutely no nurturing of Kevin directly from the beginning where his father is holding him and his mother stares blankly in the hospital bed. Sure, his father holds onto him, but that's not enough; both parents must teach their children early what is what. Getting attention from both parents is a must from birth. As she strolls him around town she ignores his cries, she even does a terrible evil by allowing his cries to be covered up by the jackhammer in the middle of the street. Do you know what that can do to a child? Clearly you don't know because you claim he was like this from birth. A mother that refuses to take care of their child is more likely than not to raise a sociopath/psychopath. And his father only ever cared for him when he was around and saw that the boy needed to be rocked into a better mood. Neither parent took their son's needs seriously. They acted as if everything was okay when Kevin would tell his father to get out of his room. Mommy was especially excited because Kevin was finally showing mommy affection. You see, Kevin did something that even his own mother wouldn't do; showed affection when she was reading to him. If you're predisposed to do things of a murderous nature, the way in which you are treated from birth does a great deal in swaying which way your emotions will go. If you're treated with affection, you'll likely become a police officer or a fire fighter. If you're treated as Kevin was in this movie...? You'll end up either in the back of a police officer's cruiser or the one that causes the fire fighter's job in the first place. To think that Kevin was born evil is to be ignorant of his upbringing.
Lance Lust psychopathy is basically an area of your brain that is not functioning properly, they are born that way. Just like a person that is born with a deformity, it happens with brains too.
we always need something to blame and look for the reasons; the second guy from the left is a prime example of this. He just can't seem to fathom why the movie didn't take a "stance" for what happened (which I think is very much intentional) and his unease is evident (which again, i think is intentional). It was a very good movie.
Not only that, but if you fast forward, you would be convinced the function didn't work. Their conversation is so redundant, that it could have been cut down to a 30-second clip and you would understand everything they got from the film- or didn't get.
Yeah, exactly. Not liking the movie is one thing and that's totally fine. But I feel like he completely missed the point entirely. At one point he says: "This movie to me; I didn't know what it was trying to say, IT didn't know what it was trying to say about why kids turn violent. Is it the parents' fault, are they just born that way?" I think the whole point of the movie is that we don't know. Life isn't always black and white, it's almost always gray. Sometimes things just don't make sense. So how do we deal/cope with those things that we can't make sense of? That's what the movie was about. This whole thing that he felt was "missing" was the entire point of the movie itself. Obviously he's entitled to his opinion and he doesn't have to like the movie just because I do. This is certainly not a film for everyone, I get that. But his opinion does feel slightly ignorant here. Hopefully he's re-watched it since this interview, which is now 8 years old.
I find myself looking for more of his reviews just so I can hate him some more. How does he get work?????? Not only is he quite stupid, he's very ill-mannered.
Why would the movie fail if it shows that sociopaths are born, not raised that way? The Bad Seed makes the same point. This movie simply illustrates that point. Are you saying that by lacking some cautionary tale with a moral message of advice on how to prevent tragedy, a movie fails? Does every film have to give answers to the questions it poses? Seems to me that Mr. Pink shirt needs to stick with Disney movies that provide such moral training and keep his ample ass out of grown up fair,
jay44571, Kevin's mother matured in the years that she failed to raise Kevin. That maturity allowed her insight as how not to treat a child. Instead of standing in the street with jackhammers covering up Kevin's cries for affection, she learned that that wasn't the way to treat a child. She didn't dump her daughter with the resentment she felt towards life as she did with Kevin. Watch the movie again and pay attention to the beginning where she raises Kevin without bonding. Learning as you grow, that's how her daughter was able to mature. The mother simply wasn't ready when having Kevin, but was when raising her daughter.
the movie is awesome!! and it is probably the only book adaptation that really works! they are so far off! to me is so obvious how much he resents her and wants to punish her. thats the only reason why she is still around, he wants her to suffer. and she obviously feels guilty for not being able to turn things around and raise a good kid, that is why she stays in the city and takes whatever people throw at her.
the whole point of the movie is to try figuring out whether the mom has any responsability regarding Kevin's actions. the constant questioning: "am I to be blamed for all this?" "should I deserve the treatment I'm reciving from the community?" "was I really that bad as a mother?" "should I burn in hell?" "or maybe... it's just not my fault?" and by the end, that last scene, it kind of tells you that there is no simple answer to the question. Alonso totally failed at this review.
Gino Fáctàp The mother naturally asks this, it is understandable that the mother would feel that way about the way her son turned out. But there is IN FACT a simple answer. The simple answer is that it's not her fault, her son was born a psychopath, he was born with a brain wired differently, he didn't feel guilt, empathy, remorse etc A normal person, regardless of how they were brought up, would never be able to do shit like this without guilt and remorse.
Spent the entire video wanting to shake my monitor and tell Pink Shirt: the point of the movie is in the title, They Needed to talk about Kevin... but never really did.
If you're going to review the movie, at least do a little research. This movie is so much more than just nurture vs. nature. Possibly the biggest portion of the book and film that they never even mention is the unreliable narrator. Ramsay even stated that this was *the main reason* why she was skeptical about releasing the rights to the movie and whether you could accurately and effectively reproduce the novel into a film. Coming from somebody who had never read or heard of this book or the author, it's *extremely* clear within minutes of the film beginning that Swinton's character is not providing a reliable narrator and that what we are being shown is not necessarily the entire truth. This will probably be the most accurate thing we'll see to a realistic portrayal of a mother raising a sociopath/psychopath as told be the mother. Amazing film that is really disturbing the more you actually think about it. Just like with all great stories, I find more intriguing questions with successive viewings of this film.
She definitely wasnt a terrible parent for getting so stressed with her child's constant crying. When a loving mother is trying with her all might to find a remedy for her child's demands. That would drive someone crazy.
Exactly. Ever care for a colicky baby? Enough to drive a person insane. Combine that with a "father" who enables the young boy's antisocial, sadistic behavior, and then add a pediatrician who denies the mother any referral for help, and it's a recipe for disaster. And it's happening all over.
A lot women fear becoming mothers because their kid may turn out to be like Kevin. Tilda's character possible fear reason of becoming a mother became reality. It doesn't matter if she was a good mother or a bad mother, Kevin was a bad seed period. If she would have been the best mother in the world, Kevin was gone & lost from the beginning. That is what makes this movie so scary. She stuck with him even after she knew he was lost and stayed by his side even after he proved he was a monster. So that is a bad mother? What was this movie trying to say? Dislikes it because he can't understand it. One of the stupidest review comments I've ever hear any reviewer make, ever.
I thought these critics were smart but they really misinterpreted this film. I understood the film on my very first viewing. We never get a proper look at "What Kevin Did" as she's haunted by his actions unable to face the consequences of them. Thats why the first shot is of the curtains blowing in the wind, yet we only see what's outside at the very end as she finally accepts her fate. The blood on the house acted as a metaphor of her tarnished reputation due to the blood her son spilled but also as a constant reminder of Kevin. That's why at the end before she drives off to visit him in prison there is no visible blood stain on her house.
i think the book and the movie portray the mothers initial actions a little differently. I did not get the sense that she was a bad mother more so that kevin was just a psycopath. I feel like the only thing he actually responded to was when she physically threw him
I never got the feeling that the mother was bad. This is like a new version of" the Bad Seed" - Kevin was born that way. In the question of nature verses nurture, this (like "The Bad Seed" ) gives the chilling conclusion that nature creates Sociopaths and there's not much that nurturing can do about it.
It's a character examination/study film. Kevin is clearly a psychopath, or some similar disorder, and you watch the inevitable disaster coming as the mother tries to deal with it and the father ignores the problem;. It's not that hard guys common. Also, symbolism doesn't have to be subtle for the film to be good.
Shes a terrible mother? She fucking deals with that maniac the whole movie and still goes to see him after he kills everyone. She is the most forgiving mother I have ever seen.
At no point in the film did i think Matilda was a bad mother. She dealt with an impossible child and stuck with him, even when she had lost everything.
Imagine having a child like that, you can't and won't just assume that your child is a psychopath as your first concusion. Why, because first you don't want to think bad of your child, you think there is always hope. Second because technically you can't be deemed a psychopath until you are an adult. I have a son who so chillingly resembles kevin in his actions, and I try so hard to be a good mom. My husband and I struggle together to try and help him be good and we wait to see how he'll choose his day... My heart goes out to all parents who share in these experiences. Its not easy and there is no answers or conclusions.
+Elizabeth Erickson I liked especially that she is not a naturally nurturing person. For some people, parenting is instinctual (even when it's difficult). But to see someone who struggles with every single decision who then *on top of that* has a kid who is difficult to connect with... If they turn out bad, the question will FOREVER be was it nature or nurture? Plus, I think describing her as a "bad mother" is ridiculous. She wasn't a great or warm mother, but there is a whole gulf between "not good" and "bad" or "terrible." Anyway... I always wondered if the real "problem" with Kevin was that he was just like his mother...
I thought that he was a bad seed, but what it left out was, wtf was the matter with the father. I was wondering why he killed everyone but her. Was it to torture her? I agree, that there was so much...missing.
At the beginning of the movie we saw her smile by saying: " you stole my baby, help me to catch him... Murderer...and a group of crazy people were holding her like a trophy. At the end of the movie she asked her son why he did it, and his answer was he thought that he knew it before, but not anymore. This was the most part of the movie that other people think was about the murderer, but I think this was about covering up, and his answer was so meaningful: which mother would sacrifice her son?!
They are wrong. This movie was a commentary on the difficulties Of parenthood. Kevin was sort of a bad seed but Eva didn't help at all. It is difficult to be happy when you know that your mother (the person that is supposed to love you more than any one) doesn't want you. By acting out, Kevin received attention
honestly loved the ending, " i used to think i knew, now im not so sure" it denies the viewer a reason for his senseless violence because there is no plausible cause for what he did. we see his mother finally reach out and hold him and that's all truly he ever sought out, she's finally connected . she was disconnected from him from the start and we view kevin from her eyes, which is unreliable due to her lack of motherly connection, so we see him as an antagonist when all he really was, was a child acting out in desperation for a reaction. but the point is even though shes a bad mother she isn't inherently evil or that hes just a bad seed . I think the point of the movie is to show nothing is black or white and no one is born evil or good, we already know that what kevin did was wrong and both of them will be punished forever and they know it. the morality of his actions doesnt need to be spoon fed to us as we already know that killing is wrong. i think the director had faith that we would understand that. it was a discussion on kevin, not what kevin did. i also think it could be commentary on how not everyone is cut out for parenthood, despite the fact that it is expected of all women that we will one day be mothers.
If Eva's "bad mothering" was the sole reason for Kevin's development then this world would be full of sociopaths ( as it is full ov overwhelmed, frustrated, unfulfilled, "stuck" mothers), but the average is (and has been for a long time) estimated between 2-10%. Even among SEVERLY abused and neglected children only a very small portion turn out to be sociopaths (compare that to Kevin's rather priviledged upbringing).
Ben is right Kevin is a fucking BAD seed. The mom tried really hard, yes she's not perfect. But Kevin was a demon posing as a child and needed to be destroyed. And Tilda was great in this movie.
So you missed the fact that this is about a boy born with Psychopathy, and the family trying to cope with the fact their son is a Psychopath of the highest degree. Holy fuck it doesn't take a genius to get the plot.
I have a feeling, that it is usually helpful if people who discuss the film - understand it in the first place. Asking questions "what for?" over and over, when it's obvious, is not only highly unprofessional but as well - daft.
This was a great movie where we see a great love of a son for his mother. Was not so difficult to understand that he was not a killer, even his sister called him a friend because she loved him. Sometimes he was jealous watching his mother showing more affection for his sister, but this was not a reason at all to kill her or his father who he loved. But his love for the mother was so strong such that sometimes wanted her all for himself, also sometimes he wanted to show her what does it mean
The point of the movie is to point out psychopathy in particular children that show signs of it because psychopathy isn't something that's diagnosed until someone is at least 18
The fact is that a kid CAN definitely be a sociopath/psychopath. They don't all become serial killers either. It's a long story, but I knew a kid that I'm pretty sure is a sociopath. I was around him when he was 14-17 years old. He was extremely manipulative and knew exactly how to play with peoples' emotions. He knew how to push buttons to make people feel sorry for him and get them to do what he wanted, and he would plan it far in advance. Sometimes he would plot things days or even weeks ahead of time. He was just downright evil. I'm not talking about normal teenage kid stuff, he could say and do some incredibly cruel things. Also, he always had this creepy wooden look on his face, with no emotion. He would often just sit there, not talking and look straight ahead with no feeling. He would play on his phone and then go back to looking around with that creepy wooden expression. I'm pretty sure that he was born this way. I know for a fact that he was not abused. He is 20 now. I haven't talked to him in a couple of years, and I have no intention to. It was the first time I had ever encountered a real sociopath, and it was a chilling experience.
ct92404 not the first time, in fact every time you go shopping or do whatever in town, you probably walk by 10 psychopaths on average. If you know about 20 people there's a 25% change one of them falls into the anti-social personality disorder spectrum. Narcissist, psychopath, Sociopath.
Hey Guy in the Pink Shirt 👚...in case you didn’t get the memo...this movie is about growth and forgiveness. The point of the film is summed up in that final embrace between mother and son. Both bad seeds? Perhaps. Their relationship seemed doomed from the start but even after so many horrific incidents, they are still tied to each other. They share the same DNA. The mom sees herself in Kevin. She recognizes her shortcomings in the past (so does he) and each show the promise of a new beginning and have found that that love was always there and that it is not too late for them to foster this newfound love for each other. Even a serial killer has the right to set himself on a different path and try to be a better person. She never gave up on Kevin and never will. The mind of a serial killer is a very complex thing. It’s not black and white, as you wish every film would be. Go back to your Marvel movies and commercial vinyl from Barnes and Nobles. On the outside it seems that you will never appreciate films that transcend beyond the surface level. But who knows, maybe one day, like Kevin, you will see the light and learn to appreciate the grey areas of life in film, and film in life. Be patient, be kind, dig deeper. Cheers!
From 2:53 to 4:08, you laid down the plot of the movie, good fucking job. Where exactly in your synopsis did you explain why those things were bad? And making weird animal noises after summarizing the movie does not count as justification, snob. Even though you didn't guess the message of the story correctly (stories can be analyzed in many different ways, it's all about perspective), doesn't give you the right to dismiss the fact that this movie had you intrigued as hell the entire time. This movie is about the relationship between a mother and her son that she honestly was not meant to have. It successfully shows how a boy can intimidate his own mother starting at even an infant. And that is damn impressive.
She clearly didn't like her son and he FELT that his who!e life. Can you imagine the hurt and resentment that builds inside someone growing up with that? I feel terrible for the son and have zero sympathy for the mother. There's this weird thing in our society where we expect to gain things from babies...like fulfillment, affection, approval...and we blame a child if rearing them isn't easy. Its totally irrational. What a burden to put on a helpless child. It's so narcissistic and evil to create a life and not recognize our responsibility towards them and the immense impact we have on their life. We set the tone for how they view EVERYTHING. Thinking you can just go through the motions and not pay attention to what a child needs is insane. And we can't predetermine what their needs will be. A "good" mother figures that out along the way and adapts accordingly and provides what is necessary even if it goes against her "plans" and her selfish agenda. Motherhood is not meant to be easy; its serious heavy shit. You have no idea who your children will be. Anything can happen
You guys are missing the point which is; turning a blind eye , and a deaf ear to your bad seed will be the death of you. Did you not notice the Father behavior when the mother was trying to tell him, “ there’s something wrong with Kelvin”
I can see where the movie can get tricky to understand if they didn't read the book! They leave out alot of good details from the book, like before Kevin is born she starts to regret wanting a baby, and then gets postpartum depression. That she wasn't happy that there was a thing just living inside her for 9 months, or bothered that now her breast were feeders instead of being nice and perky! Maybe Kevin picked up on all that since before being born! It also explains why her relationship with Celia was a better one. She was excited to have Celia, she never had those negative thoughts she had while being pregnant with Kevin and the movie doesn't show that, so people that didn't read the book kinda have to guess on what's going on. Also wish they would of added a little more to the part where Celia loses her eye... and how he was only interested in Robin Hood nothing else!
I think the underlying theme of this movies is that this boy has been at war with his mother from the day he was born. They were butting heads from day one. And eventually, the BOY WINS, but, sadly, in this game when you win, you lose in the most extreme way. I think that is the purpose of the ending. The boy finally realizes that this is one War he REALLY DID NOT want to win. But who is there in the end? Once he realizes the disaster of his mistake, who is there for him? Who indeed?
this movie is about the fact that sociopathy is not diagnosable and considering the mom had no idea how to be a parent....she didnt know up from down and the end show that no matter what she understands she is a mother and she will not abandon him despite the fact that he should have been put to freakin death
This is one of the most disturbing movies ever made, and I could never watch it again. That said it was really good. These viewers are silly to be asking for a clear answer. The movie is asking you to debate.
I think that Eva was a psychopath child and not Kevin, he was just covering for his mother crime. As we saw he voluntary was caught and not at the place of crime, making more acceptable that he was the killer and avoiding his mother as a suspicious one. Why I think so? She was not happy as a child, so when she was pregnant (the scene where the other pregnant women pet their belly), also not happy having a child (the moment of giving birth: stop resisting). She was disable (when baby was crying
She's not sticking around to experience the rancour of the community. Oh my god that reviewer is shitting me. The story CLEARLY explains that she needed to sell the house to pay for court costs, and because the house has been damaged by angry people, unfortunately she has to stay there and fix it up, to get the money she needs. You can see this at the end when the house is repaired and she leaves it. If you are going to review films then you should really pay attention to their plot.
she only laughed because she didn't know what to do. Kevin was a smart child (he knew perfectly to count) missing the love of his mother and desperately looking for it, also struggling to gain it (when she said was sorry she hit him he covered her up and went to bathroom by himself). Before Kevin was caught we listened to a message that she have done to her husband to meet and talked to him about their divorce and the custody of their daughter, that I think was the moment of crime.
I don't think Alonso gets the complexities of antisocial/conduct disorder type behaivors in children/teens at all. This movie did an incredible job showing the nuances of it all and plus.... Tilda is awesome
You can't say that the movie isn't good because you don't understand it. If it's to ambitious for you, if it's too good for you to get what's happening, you better don't say anything, because the film is AMAZING. And that's only your problem if you do not understand such a great one.
I don't understand how people let their children run things. If you can't handle your child, get help. They weren't poor, they could have got some counseling. They all could have learned something and perhaps kept him from becoming a killer. There are a lot of bad people who never get around to actually becoming murderers.
the ambiguity that Alonso speaks of is similar to the book, and i think it works wonderfully in both forms of the story. he doesn't know what he's talking about and for once I agree with Ben haha. I though this film was astounding. And Tilda did deserve the Oscar, but oh well, go Michelle!
suffering when you do not pay attention to other feelings and necessities. My conclusion is that whatever happened the most important for Kevin was to feel the mother's love and we saw this clearly at the end of the movie where he wanted to stay in her arms forever! However this is my opinion and I will respect all the other opinions.
they never bring up the color blue as a symbol or the theme of guilt. They also never brought up the lack of connection or bond made by the mother and son which later led to the build up of the entire film. However i do believe the rating is fair as the movie was good and not amazing.
I can relate to picky movie watchers. Yes, Alonso makes a few valid points, but it also occurred to me that he wasn't really paying attention. He says that "for some reason" she decided to get married and have a kid. Obviously she loved the John C. Reilly character and their having Kevin was the result of a drunken night on the town. Obviously she wasn't happy about having a child. She may have intentionally had that idea in mind, but regretted it soon after. Get rid of Alonso. He's a hack.
the movie is about what its like to be the mother of a child your not sure you like. its also about the moral ambiguity of youth violence, how you can't tell if he loves his family or not, if he misses is family or not, or if he feels remorse or not, or who to blame. you don't understand what psychopathy is, psychopathy is as a result of your psyche, you lack remorse, but your still capable of empathy and emotions, also, your assuming the child is a psychopath, he could be a sociopath.
The festival at the beginning is not in Italy, it is in Spain. Seems to me that it is a gigantic waste of good food...I actually agree with Alonso in that if Kevin is just a "bad seed" then most of the movie is kind of pointless. It would have been better if the actions of the mother led to Kevin turning out the way he did. Just my opinion. Pretty damn good movie overall though. 8/10.
You didn't know what the movie was trying to say about violence like this? That's kind of the point. It's not necessarily one thing that will make a person do terrible things like shoot kids at a school. It's a complex issue, and part of the point of the movie was showing that it can't be answered definitively.
So when ge hears ghat his parents are splitting, kevin diss what he does because it would gave been expected of him to go with his dad. In the book, Eva is hurt by the fact that her husband wants a child " I thought I was enough" all in all, I think this movie was great!
no one gets it at all. somehow everyyyyone thinks that the movie is only considering whether or not eva was to blame for kevin, whether she was a bad mother, etc. NO ONE seems to realise that she has a room ready for him at her (paint-spattered) house, and she goes to visit him regularly; DESPITE everything, she loves him. and, obviously, it was all the dad's fault. he refused to talk about kevin and address his problems. kevin got no help for his behaviour... and wound up a murdering sociopath.
the way christie just nonchalantly rolls off the term metaphore. makes me think that the way I obsess about comprehending and grasping the "high concept" themes of a film, is all wrong. Film is to be studied, yes, but above all...enjoyed?
I really liked this movie because it balances a lot of preconceptions that people about this kind of killers. Everybody always has an idea but usually the situation is not even close to be clear about the reasons. Anders Breivik for example, if you try to find his reasons you'll end up in a maze, because every thing they find about him, it's not really absolute to say, yeah, that's why he did it. Actually, not even this killers know their own reasons.
I can understand how you might be at a bit of a loss with this movie if you haven't read the book. The book is amazing. The movie did a really great job of trying to translate it onto the screen.
This movie was so mesmerizing. I loved it and I thought it was different. And I had no problem with the use of red. This movie was interesting bc it doesnt treat the audience like they're idiots. Movies are NOT required to answer all the questions.
mbear1 Agreed. And the red...it’s called Production Design
The red is symbolic
guy in pink shirt - useless. "for some reason gets married" cos she loved him? none of his criticims make any sense, and are pretty lazy.
Katherine he is completely right great performances in an okay film and it's a shame
right? xhe had kevin because franklin wanted to be a parent and loved him in a way that she couldn't love her son
I beg to differ, guy in pink has a major point : there's no point of view in that movie. It doesn't come from anywhere, and leads nowhere.
@@easywriter3000 it’s told from Eva’s perspective as she’s remembering moments in Kevin’s life trying to figure out where she went wrong as a mother. She visits him during his anniversary asking him why he did it, he replies “I used to think I know, now I'm not so sure” and hugs her. Eva walks away believing it was not her fault, she still loves him and awaits the day he comes home.
It seems as though what disappoints the pink shirt guy about the movie was the point of the movie. The uncertainty of nature and the inevitable mistakes of nurture. He's trying to neatly wrap that all up into something that can be put in a sound bite. Maybe he should review action movies?
+Zan G SO agreed. I was sitting here thinking...does he not understand that the purpose of a good movie is to raise questions, NOT spoon feed you every single answer?
I think Alonso really missed the point in his critique here. If the movie had a "perspective" like he wanted, that itself would be a cop-out. The mother and son are not really separate phenomena. If he was just "born bad," was that not perhaps exacerbated by her lack of warmth or connection with him? Or if she was just a "bad mother," would that explain or be to blame for everything about how he turned out, especially when she had no problems with her second child? The questions are connected to each other and it really is a chicken-or-the-egg situation.
I always wondered if the "problem" with Kevin was that he was too much like his mother... Often parents and children who are too much alike are the ones who butt heads the most. And maybe while Kevin could fool everyone else (his father especially), his mother was the only person who saw him for who he truly was (and vice versa).
Even in real life situations like this, there is no simple "answer" and the film acknowledges that.
zammmerjammer the simple answer is that Kevin is a psychopath, nothing hard to understand.
Kevin was born a psychopath, they are born that way.
LRN_News, you completely missed the fact that he was raised by an immature mother.
Kevin becomes a psychopath in his childhood because of the way he's raised. And I don't believe that sociopaths/psychopaths are born that way.
I think you clearly didn't pay attention to the way his mother treated him as he grew up straight out of the womb. There was absolutely no nurturing of Kevin directly from the beginning where his father is holding him and his mother stares blankly in the hospital bed. Sure, his father holds onto him, but that's not enough; both parents must teach their children early what is what. Getting attention from both parents is a must from birth.
As she strolls him around town she ignores his cries, she even does a terrible evil by allowing his cries to be covered up by the jackhammer in the middle of the street. Do you know what that can do to a child? Clearly you don't know because you claim he was like this from birth.
A mother that refuses to take care of their child is more likely than not to raise a sociopath/psychopath. And his father only ever cared for him when he was around and saw that the boy needed to be rocked into a better mood. Neither parent took their son's needs seriously. They acted as if everything was okay when Kevin would tell his father to get out of his room. Mommy was especially excited because Kevin was finally showing mommy affection. You see, Kevin did something that even his own mother wouldn't do; showed affection when she was reading to him.
If you're predisposed to do things of a murderous nature, the way in which you are treated from birth does a great deal in swaying which way your emotions will go. If you're treated with affection, you'll likely become a police officer or a fire fighter. If you're treated as Kevin was in this movie...? You'll end up either in the back of a police officer's cruiser or the one that causes the fire fighter's job in the first place.
To think that Kevin was born evil is to be ignorant of his upbringing.
Lance Lust Sociopaths are made, psychopaths are born psychopaths.
Lance Lust psychopathy is basically an area of your brain that is not functioning properly, they are born that way.
Just like a person that is born with a deformity, it happens with brains too.
How does one know that for a fact? Have they studied this in utero?
we always need something to blame and look for the reasons; the second guy from the left is a prime example of this. He just can't seem to fathom why the movie didn't take a "stance" for what happened (which I think is very much intentional) and his unease is evident (which again, i think is intentional). It was a very good movie.
I would say a perfect movie.
The first 40 minutes were the most boring shit I've ever seen. The rest of the movie was good. Nowhere near perfect overall.
@@cerberu999 like how was boring? Because was there no one dying every 5 minutes? just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was bad.
It was very much intentional. It was supposed to be a “chicken or the egg” kind of thing. Was Kevin born evil? Or was it due to his parenting?
That guy strikes me as a snob like those 2 guys from back in the day siskel and ebert or whatever their names were
These critics completely missed the whole point of the movie.
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Lol ikr
Not only that, but if you fast forward, you would be convinced the function didn't work. Their conversation is so redundant, that it could have been cut down to a 30-second clip and you would understand everything they got from the film- or didn't get.
Miss Sadie well done
Ben gets it-- I can't believe how much everyone else managed to miss the point. What a brilliant film.
One of the best ever made in its genre. Or any.
Wtf is the guy in the pink shirt on about?? He missed the whole point
Yeah, exactly. Not liking the movie is one thing and that's totally fine. But I feel like he completely missed the point entirely. At one point he says:
"This movie to me; I didn't know what it was trying to say, IT didn't know what it was trying to say about why kids turn violent. Is it the parents' fault, are they just born that way?"
I think the whole point of the movie is that we don't know. Life isn't always black and white, it's almost always gray. Sometimes things just don't make sense. So how do we deal/cope with those things that we can't make sense of? That's what the movie was about. This whole thing that he felt was "missing" was the entire point of the movie itself.
Obviously he's entitled to his opinion and he doesn't have to like the movie just because I do. This is certainly not a film for everyone, I get that. But his opinion does feel slightly ignorant here. Hopefully he's re-watched it since this interview, which is now 8 years old.
average brain in this guy head...lazy to process
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One of the rare moments on WTF where Ben was the voice of reason and I am absolutely glad he was there (and actually saw the movie).
+IMortage I actually think Ben is pretty consistent in his reviews, honestly.
What is the guy in the pink shirt talking about?
I find myself looking for more of his reviews just so I can hate him some more. How does he get work?????? Not only is he quite stupid, he's very ill-mannered.
Agreed.
Though completely unpleasant to watch, this was a genuinely great picture. I'm confused by Alonsos reactions.
Why would the movie fail if it shows that sociopaths are born, not raised that way? The Bad Seed makes the same point. This movie simply illustrates that point. Are you saying that by lacking some cautionary tale with a moral message of advice on how to prevent tragedy, a movie fails? Does every film have to give answers to the questions it poses? Seems to me that Mr. Pink shirt needs to stick with Disney movies that provide such moral training and keep his ample ass out of grown up fair,
Susan Olsen Sociopaths are made, psychopaths are born that way.
Hes a stuck up gay asshole
If she was such a bad mother, why did the daughter come out so good.....and the reason she stayed after was so she can visit her son....
+jay44571 You did see the part in the movie where she broke his arm right.
DxSteve I don't care fuck her she didn't give him the love and care he deserved.
Cm Punk Alonso, is that you?
jay44571, Kevin's mother matured in the years that she failed to raise Kevin. That maturity allowed her insight as how not to treat a child. Instead of standing in the street with jackhammers covering up Kevin's cries for affection, she learned that that wasn't the way to treat a child.
She didn't dump her daughter with the resentment she felt towards life as she did with Kevin. Watch the movie again and pay attention to the beginning where she raises Kevin without bonding.
Learning as you grow, that's how her daughter was able to mature. The mother simply wasn't ready when having Kevin, but was when raising her daughter.
GREAT COMMENT
Does that guy in the pink ever let anyone else talk? No one even gets to finish their thought...
the movie is awesome!! and it is probably the only book adaptation that really works! they are so far off! to me is so obvious how much he resents her and wants to punish her. thats the only reason why she is still around, he wants her to suffer. and she obviously feels guilty for not being able to turn things around and raise a good kid, that is why she stays in the city and takes whatever people throw at her.
the whole point of the movie is to try figuring out whether the mom has any responsability regarding Kevin's actions.
the constant questioning: "am I to be blamed for all this?" "should I deserve the treatment I'm reciving from the community?" "was I really that bad as a mother?" "should I burn in hell?" "or maybe... it's just not my fault?"
and by the end, that last scene, it kind of tells you that there is no simple answer to the question.
Alonso totally failed at this review.
Gino Fáctàp The mother naturally asks this, it is understandable that the mother would feel that way about the way her son turned out.
But there is IN FACT a simple answer.
The simple answer is that it's not her fault, her son was born a psychopath, he was born with a brain wired differently, he didn't feel guilt, empathy, remorse etc
A normal person, regardless of how they were brought up, would never be able to do shit like this without guilt and remorse.
Pink shirt guy needs to watch the movie again.
Yeah. pink shirt should stick to X-Men movies.
Spent the entire video wanting to shake my monitor and tell Pink Shirt: the point of the movie is in the title, They Needed to talk about Kevin... but never really did.
This was a great comment
I like the concept of the show, but sometimes I wonder if I saw the same movie they are talking about...
I am just here for the comments.
@@asnider3155 thanks for reminding me that i wrote this comment.
If you're going to review the movie, at least do a little research. This movie is so much more than just nurture vs. nature. Possibly the biggest portion of the book and film that they never even mention is the unreliable narrator. Ramsay even stated that this was *the main reason* why she was skeptical about releasing the rights to the movie and whether you could accurately and effectively reproduce the novel into a film. Coming from somebody who had never read or heard of this book or the author, it's *extremely* clear within minutes of the film beginning that Swinton's character is not providing a reliable narrator and that what we are being shown is not necessarily the entire truth.
This will probably be the most accurate thing we'll see to a realistic portrayal of a mother raising a sociopath/psychopath as told be the mother.
Amazing film that is really disturbing the more you actually think about it. Just like with all great stories, I find more intriguing questions with successive viewings of this film.
She definitely wasnt a terrible parent for getting so stressed with her child's constant crying. When a loving mother is trying with her all might to find a remedy for her child's demands. That would drive someone crazy.
Exactly. Ever care for a colicky baby? Enough to drive a person insane.
Combine that with a "father" who enables the young boy's antisocial, sadistic behavior, and then add a pediatrician who denies the mother any referral for help, and it's a recipe for disaster.
And it's happening all over.
The guy in the pink shirt and the women disliked the movie because it doesn't spoonfeed them answers and makes them uncomfortable...kek
Silenthillbillie EXACTLY. They were expecting the average cookie cutter, moral to the story, moment of clarity bullshit.
A lot women fear becoming mothers because their kid may turn out to be like Kevin. Tilda's character possible fear reason of becoming a mother became reality. It doesn't matter if she was a good mother or a bad mother, Kevin was a bad seed period. If she would have been the best mother in the world, Kevin was gone & lost from the beginning. That is what makes this movie so scary. She stuck with him even after she knew he was lost and stayed by his side even after he proved he was a monster. So that is a bad mother? What was this movie trying to say? Dislikes it because he can't understand it. One of the stupidest review comments I've ever hear any reviewer make, ever.
Agreed!
I thought these critics were smart but they really misinterpreted this film. I understood the film on my very first viewing. We never get a proper look at "What Kevin Did" as she's haunted by his actions unable to face the consequences of them. Thats why the first shot is of the curtains blowing in the wind, yet we only see what's outside at the very end as she finally accepts her fate. The blood on the house acted as a metaphor of her tarnished reputation due to the blood her son spilled but also as a constant reminder of Kevin. That's why at the end before she drives off to visit him in prison there is no visible blood stain on her house.
What’s the point of guys with pink shirts who don’t understand movies?
They said that the mum is terrible... how was she a terrible mother?
she filled the child with hate for herself and didn't care about him
i think the book and the movie portray the mothers initial actions a little differently. I did not get the sense that she was a bad mother more so that kevin was just a psycopath. I feel like the only thing he actually responded to was when she physically threw him
I never got the feeling that the mother was bad. This is like a new version of" the Bad Seed" - Kevin was born that way. In the question of nature verses nurture, this (like "The Bad Seed" ) gives the chilling conclusion that nature creates Sociopaths and there's not much that nurturing can do about it.
It's a character examination/study film. Kevin is clearly a psychopath, or some similar disorder, and you watch the inevitable disaster coming as the mother tries to deal with it and the father ignores the problem;. It's not that hard guys common. Also, symbolism doesn't have to be subtle for the film to be good.
c'mon
[Lonzo leans back arrogantly] "...this move is not good." [Christie makes unintelligent mean high school girl face] "It's not good."
okee, next video
Shes a terrible mother? She fucking deals with that maniac the whole movie and still goes to see him after he kills everyone. She is the most forgiving mother I have ever seen.
At no point in the film did i think Matilda was a bad mother. She dealt with an impossible child and stuck with him, even when she had lost everything.
wtf is this dude talking about. It's a cop out to not have a point of view? It's a fucking art piece not a news article.
The guy with the grey hair is on a warpath just speaking rapidly not thinking about what he's saying. . .
Imagine having a child like that, you can't and won't just assume that your child is a psychopath as your first concusion. Why, because first you don't want to think bad of your child, you think there is always hope. Second because technically you can't be deemed a psychopath until you are an adult. I have a son who so chillingly resembles kevin in his actions, and I try so hard to be a good mom. My husband and I struggle together to try and help him be good and we wait to see how he'll choose his day... My heart goes out to all parents who share in these experiences. Its not easy and there is no answers or conclusions.
+Elizabeth Erickson I liked especially that she is not a naturally nurturing person. For some people, parenting is instinctual (even when it's difficult). But to see someone who struggles with every single decision who then *on top of that* has a kid who is difficult to connect with... If they turn out bad, the question will FOREVER be was it nature or nurture?
Plus, I think describing her as a "bad mother" is ridiculous. She wasn't a great or warm mother, but there is a whole gulf between "not good" and "bad" or "terrible."
Anyway... I always wondered if the real "problem" with Kevin was that he was just like his mother...
Elizabeth, how are you doing now?
I thought that he was a bad seed, but what it left out was, wtf was the matter with the father. I was wondering why he killed everyone but her. Was it to torture her? I agree, that there was so much...missing.
At the beginning of the movie we saw her smile by saying: " you stole my baby, help me to catch him... Murderer...and a group of crazy people were holding her like a trophy. At the end of the movie she asked her son why he did it, and his answer was he thought that he knew it before, but not anymore. This was the most part of the movie that other people think was about the murderer, but I think this was about covering up, and his answer was so meaningful: which mother would sacrifice her son?!
I completely agree with the guy in the white shirt and black jacket!
They are wrong. This movie was a commentary on the difficulties Of parenthood. Kevin was sort of a bad seed but Eva didn't help at all. It is difficult to be happy when you know that your mother (the person that is supposed to love you more than any one) doesn't want you. By acting out, Kevin received attention
honestly loved the ending, " i used to think i knew, now im not so sure" it denies the viewer a reason for his senseless violence because there is no plausible cause for what he did. we see his mother finally reach out and hold him and that's all truly he ever sought out, she's finally connected . she was disconnected from him from the start and we view kevin from her eyes, which is unreliable due to her lack of motherly connection, so we see him as an antagonist when all he really was, was a child acting out in desperation for a reaction. but the point is even though shes a bad mother she isn't inherently evil or that hes just a bad seed . I think the point of the movie is to show nothing is black or white and no one is born evil or good, we already know that what kevin did was wrong and both of them will be punished forever and they know it. the morality of his actions doesnt need to be spoon fed to us as we already know that killing is wrong. i think the director had faith that we would understand that. it was a discussion on kevin, not what kevin did. i also think it could be commentary on how not everyone is cut out for parenthood, despite the fact that it is expected of all women that we will one day be mothers.
Pink shirt. If you don't understand let other people talk and maybe you'll figure it out.
If Eva's "bad mothering" was the sole reason for Kevin's development then this world would be full of sociopaths ( as it is full ov overwhelmed, frustrated, unfulfilled, "stuck" mothers), but the average is (and has been for a long time) estimated between 2-10%. Even among SEVERLY abused and neglected children only a very small portion turn out to be sociopaths (compare that to Kevin's rather priviledged upbringing).
I love the whole complexity of the film went over the guy who hated it's head and then when they lay it out for him, he still can't accept it xD
Ben is right Kevin is a fucking BAD seed. The mom tried really hard, yes she's not perfect. But Kevin was a demon posing as a child and needed to be destroyed. And Tilda was great in this movie.
So you missed the fact that this is about a boy born with Psychopathy, and the family trying to cope with the fact their son is a Psychopath of the highest degree. Holy fuck it doesn't take a genius to get the plot.
I have a feeling, that it is usually helpful if people who discuss the film - understand it in the first place. Asking questions "what for?" over and over, when it's obvious, is not only highly unprofessional but as well - daft.
I think Kevin needed a stronger father figure in his life.
This was a great movie where we see a great love of a son for his mother. Was not so difficult to understand that he was not a killer, even his sister called him a friend because she loved him. Sometimes he was jealous watching his mother showing more affection for his sister, but this was not a reason at all to kill her or his father who he loved. But his love for the mother was so strong such that sometimes wanted her all for himself, also sometimes he wanted to show her what does it mean
The point of the movie is to point out psychopathy in particular children that show signs of it because psychopathy isn't something that's diagnosed until someone is at least 18
The fact is that a kid CAN definitely be a sociopath/psychopath. They don't all become serial killers either. It's a long story, but I knew a kid that I'm pretty sure is a sociopath. I was around him when he was 14-17 years old. He was extremely manipulative and knew exactly how to play with peoples' emotions. He knew how to push buttons to make people feel sorry for him and get them to do what he wanted, and he would plan it far in advance. Sometimes he would plot things days or even weeks ahead of time. He was just downright evil. I'm not talking about normal teenage kid stuff, he could say and do some incredibly cruel things. Also, he always had this creepy wooden look on his face, with no emotion. He would often just sit there, not talking and look straight ahead with no feeling. He would play on his phone and then go back to looking around with that creepy wooden expression. I'm pretty sure that he was born this way. I know for a fact that he was not abused. He is 20 now. I haven't talked to him in a couple of years, and I have no intention to. It was the first time I had ever encountered a real sociopath, and it was a chilling experience.
ct92404 not the first time, in fact every time you go shopping or do whatever in town, you probably walk by 10 psychopaths on average.
If you know about 20 people there's a 25% change one of them falls into the anti-social personality disorder spectrum.
Narcissist, psychopath, Sociopath.
did matt not see the flick or what?
Hey Guy in the Pink Shirt 👚...in case you didn’t get the memo...this movie is about growth and forgiveness. The point of the film is summed up in that final embrace between mother and son. Both bad seeds? Perhaps. Their relationship seemed doomed from the start but even after so many horrific incidents, they are still tied to each other. They share the same DNA. The mom sees herself in Kevin. She recognizes her shortcomings in the past (so does he) and each show the promise of a new beginning and have found that that love was always there and that it is not too late for them to foster this newfound love for each other. Even a serial killer has the right to set himself on a different path and try to be a better person. She never gave up on Kevin and never will. The mind of a serial killer is a very complex thing. It’s not black and white, as you wish every film would be. Go back to your Marvel movies and commercial vinyl from Barnes and Nobles. On the outside it seems that you will never appreciate films that transcend beyond the surface level. But who knows, maybe one day, like Kevin, you will see the light and learn to appreciate the grey areas of life in film, and film in life. Be patient, be kind, dig deeper. Cheers!
From 2:53 to 4:08, you laid down the plot of the movie, good fucking job. Where exactly in your synopsis did you explain why those things were bad? And making weird animal noises after summarizing the movie does not count as justification, snob. Even though you didn't guess the message of the story correctly (stories can be analyzed in many different ways, it's all about perspective), doesn't give you the right to dismiss the fact that this movie had you intrigued as hell the entire time. This movie is about the relationship between a mother and her son that she honestly was not meant to have. It successfully shows how a boy can intimidate his own mother starting at even an infant. And that is damn impressive.
She clearly didn't like her son and he FELT that his who!e life. Can you imagine the hurt and resentment that builds inside someone growing up with that? I feel terrible for the son and have zero sympathy for the mother. There's this weird thing in our society where we expect to gain things from babies...like fulfillment, affection, approval...and we blame a child if rearing them isn't easy. Its totally irrational. What a burden to put on a helpless child. It's so narcissistic and evil to create a life and not recognize our responsibility towards them and the immense impact we have on their life. We set the tone for how they view EVERYTHING. Thinking you can just go through the motions and not pay attention to what a child needs is insane. And we can't predetermine what their needs will be. A "good" mother figures that out along the way and adapts accordingly and provides what is necessary even if it goes against her "plans" and her selfish agenda. Motherhood is not meant to be easy; its serious heavy shit. You have no idea who your children will be. Anything can happen
You guys are missing the point which is; turning a blind eye , and a deaf ear to your bad seed will be the death of you. Did you not notice the Father behavior when the mother was trying to tell him, “ there’s something wrong with Kelvin”
this movie to me was about the mother trying to deal with that and try to find life after what happened and her trying to love her son
I can see where the movie can get tricky to understand if they didn't read the book! They leave out alot of good details from the book, like before Kevin is born she starts to regret wanting a baby, and then gets postpartum depression. That she wasn't happy that there was a thing just living inside her for 9 months, or bothered that now her breast were feeders instead of being nice and perky! Maybe Kevin picked up on all that since before being born! It also explains why her relationship with Celia was a better one. She was excited to have Celia, she never had those negative thoughts she had while being pregnant with Kevin and the movie doesn't show that, so people that didn't read the book kinda have to guess on what's going on. Also wish they would of added a little more to the part where Celia loses her eye... and how he was only interested in Robin Hood nothing else!
Apparently not a good day for wearing pink.
I think the underlying theme of this movies is that this boy has been at war with his mother from the day he was born. They were butting heads from day one.
And eventually, the BOY WINS, but, sadly, in this game when you win, you lose in the most extreme way. I think that is the purpose of the ending. The boy finally realizes that this is one War he REALLY DID NOT want to win. But who is there in the end? Once he realizes the disaster of his mistake, who is there for him? Who indeed?
Used to respect them till this review
It's not a spoiler. It's more or less given away in the trailer. Swinton herself even said it wasn't a spoiler on NPR.
this movie is about the fact that sociopathy is not diagnosable and considering the mom had no idea how to be a parent....she didnt know up from down and the end show that no matter what she understands she is a mother and she will not abandon him despite the fact that he should have been put to freakin death
This is one of the most disturbing movies ever made, and I could never watch it again. That said it was really good. These viewers are silly to be asking for a clear answer. The movie is asking you to debate.
He is Sociopathic.
That is what the story is about.
He isn't just a difficult kid.
He is actually evil.
hey dude the tomato festival in Spain not in Italy
I think that Eva was a psychopath child and not Kevin, he was just covering for his mother crime. As we saw he voluntary was caught and not at the place of crime, making more acceptable that he was the killer and avoiding his mother as a suspicious one. Why I think so? She was not happy as a child, so when she was pregnant (the scene where the other pregnant women pet their belly), also not happy having a child (the moment of giving birth: stop resisting). She was disable (when baby was crying
She's not sticking around to experience the rancour of the community. Oh my god that reviewer is shitting me.
The story CLEARLY explains that she needed to sell the house to pay for court costs, and because the house has been damaged by angry people, unfortunately she has to stay there and fix it up, to get the money she needs.
You can see this at the end when the house is repaired and she leaves it.
If you are going to review films then you should really pay attention to their plot.
she only laughed because she didn't know what to do. Kevin was a smart child (he knew perfectly to count) missing the love of his mother and desperately looking for it, also struggling to gain it (when she said was sorry she hit him he covered her up and went to bathroom by himself). Before Kevin was caught we listened to a message that she have done to her husband to meet and talked to him about their divorce and the custody of their daughter, that I think was the moment of crime.
So all the dislikes were against Alonso but all the likes were for Ben that's how to conduct a debate
I dont think she was a "terrible mom"! She tried so many times to bond with him!!!
I don't think Alonso gets the complexities of antisocial/conduct disorder type behaivors in children/teens at all. This movie did an incredible job showing the nuances of it all and plus.... Tilda is awesome
You can't say that the movie isn't good because you don't understand it. If it's to ambitious for you, if it's too good for you to get what's happening, you better don't say anything, because the film is AMAZING. And that's only your problem if you do not understand such a great one.
Did that guy second from the left even watch the movie!
I don't understand how people let their children run things. If you can't handle your child, get help. They weren't poor, they could have got some counseling. They all could have learned something and perhaps kept him from becoming a killer. There are a lot of bad people who never get around to actually becoming murderers.
lwgoinghome the father didn't see anything wrong with him.
This was one of the most powerful and unnerving films I saw in 2011. These guys are on crack.
the ambiguity that Alonso speaks of is similar to the book, and i think it works wonderfully in both forms of the story. he doesn't know what he's talking about and for once I agree with Ben haha. I though this film was astounding. And Tilda did deserve the Oscar, but oh well, go Michelle!
suffering when you do not pay attention to other feelings and necessities. My conclusion is that whatever happened the most important for Kevin was to feel the mother's love and we saw this clearly at the end of the movie where he wanted to stay in her arms forever! However this is my opinion and I will respect all the other opinions.
they never bring up the color blue as a symbol or the theme of guilt. They also never brought up the lack of connection or bond made by the mother and son which later led to the build up of the entire film. However i do believe the rating is fair as the movie was good and not amazing.
I can relate to picky movie watchers. Yes, Alonso makes a few valid points, but it also occurred to me that he wasn't really paying attention. He says that "for some reason" she decided to get married and have a kid. Obviously she loved the John C. Reilly character and their having Kevin was the result of a drunken night on the town. Obviously she wasn't happy about having a child. She may have intentionally had that idea in mind, but regretted it soon after. Get rid of Alonso. He's a hack.
I like how the mother gets pwned throughout the entire movie.
He shot some people with his bow and arrows at his school and then locked himself in the gym.
Well, I just wasted over 8 minuets of my life watching people talk absolute bollocks.
I would have left to so I agree,but my point was she was still a decent mother for not giving up on the impossible.
the movie is about what its like to be the mother of a child your not sure you like. its also about the moral ambiguity of youth violence, how you can't tell if he loves his family or not, if he misses is family or not, or if he feels remorse or not, or who to blame.
you don't understand what psychopathy is, psychopathy is as a result of your psyche, you lack remorse, but your still capable of empathy and emotions, also, your assuming the child is a psychopath, he could be a sociopath.
what song was on in the beginning
Dorky pink shirt guy has no depth!
Alonzo, you dissapointed me this time.
The festival at the beginning is not in Italy, it is in Spain. Seems to me that it is a gigantic waste of good food...I actually agree with Alonso in that if Kevin is just a "bad seed" then most of the movie is kind of pointless. It would have been better if the actions of the mother led to Kevin turning out the way he did. Just my opinion. Pretty damn good movie overall though. 8/10.
You didn't know what the movie was trying to say about violence like this? That's kind of the point. It's not necessarily one thing that will make a person do terrible things like shoot kids at a school. It's a complex issue, and part of the point of the movie was showing that it can't be answered definitively.
Some people, most* people, like their movies spoon-fed.
Alonso is so picky. He's usually my movie barometer. If he hates it, I'll usually like it.
It's good to hear the views of the general public and not just film critics. Although it would be nice to have some film critics next time.
So when ge hears ghat his parents are splitting, kevin diss what he does because it would gave been expected of him to go with his dad. In the book, Eva is hurt by the fact that her husband wants a child " I thought I was enough" all in all, I think this movie was great!
no one gets it at all. somehow everyyyyone thinks that the movie is only considering whether or not eva was to blame for kevin, whether she was a bad mother, etc. NO ONE seems to realise that she has a room ready for him at her (paint-spattered) house, and she goes to visit him regularly; DESPITE everything, she loves him. and, obviously, it was all the dad's fault. he refused to talk about kevin and address his problems. kevin got no help for his behaviour... and wound up a murdering sociopath.
What the fuck is with every video on RUclips containing an ad that tries to brainwash me into voting for Ron Paul?
the way christie just nonchalantly rolls off the term metaphore. makes me think that the way I obsess about comprehending and grasping the "high concept" themes of a film, is all wrong. Film is to be studied, yes, but above all...enjoyed?
I really liked this movie because it balances a lot of preconceptions that people about this kind of killers. Everybody always has an idea but usually the situation is not even close to be clear about the reasons.
Anders Breivik for example, if you try to find his reasons you'll end up in a maze, because every thing they find about him, it's not really absolute to say, yeah, that's why he did it.
Actually, not even this killers know their own reasons.
I can understand how you might be at a bit of a loss with this movie if you haven't read the book. The book is amazing. The movie did a really great job of trying to translate it onto the screen.
he killed some of his classmates for no reason.
I LOVED this movie, I found it to be absolutely brilliant.
I think Jasper Newell should have been nominated. Really great performance.