Triumph Live in Halifax, Nova Scotia January 16th, 1987

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  • @tmcoyles9676
    @tmcoyles9676 Год назад +8

    My sister was conceived at that show ….. rock on

  • @erichammond2466
    @erichammond2466 Год назад +11

    Underrated....great band...don't hear stuff like this nowadays....glad I was alive to hear true musicianship....miss those days.

  • @GordMcknob
    @GordMcknob Год назад +16

    I remember back in 1977 just reached the Canadian drinking age .... One of my buddy's Mother worked with I think it was Levines Wife.. She told us to go see this band Triumph , they were playing at one of our local bars the Knob Hill Hotel in Scarborough .. They totally blew us away ,, Rick was like a young guitar God 👌 I remember them playing songs off their new record Rock and Roll Machine ,, they also played a lot of Zeppelin numbers in their sets as well as I recall 👍

    • @bama1usaf
      @bama1usaf Год назад +2

      Thx. I love hearing tid bits first hand. 🤘

    • @TheGrapeofWrath1
      @TheGrapeofWrath1 3 месяца назад

      This is a great story. I wish I could have been there enjoying Triumph before their breakout!

  • @nashdest
    @nashdest Месяц назад +4

    I saw many triumph concerts in my life. Including sport of kings. My favorite was thunder 7 at Toronto maple leaf gardens. Love them and at 57yrs still listen to them.

  • @thomaswaters4963
    @thomaswaters4963 Год назад +17

    Now that's what I call a real rock and roll show!They don't make them like that anymore.Triumph was and still is one of the greatest bands of all time!

  • @dr.stevenpennym.d.3241
    @dr.stevenpennym.d.3241 Год назад +75

    They should be in the rock ‘n’ roll Hall of Fame

    • @VdamMusic
      @VdamMusic Год назад +13

      The RRHOF is a joke

    • @D.Lee.W
      @D.Lee.W Год назад +4

      Indeed they should be.

    • @lancedonohue2975
      @lancedonohue2975 Год назад +5

      RRHOF IS A JOKE

    • @karengarrison3666
      @karengarrison3666 Год назад +3

      Absolutely right! 💯

    • @geester2123
      @geester2123 Год назад +4

      What ???? Not over N.W.A. and Jay Z and other assorted garbage that doesn’t fit the genre. RRHF is a rigged joke.

  • @barrygerenski6259
    @barrygerenski6259 Год назад +12

    Rock shows were so much fun back then. Miss those days

  • @jimboslice5647
    @jimboslice5647 Год назад +9

    "Follow You Heart" is such a great song! Was one of my favorite Triumph songs of all time:
    People say
    Don't ever look behind
    Happiness is just a state of mind
    Rock and roll lives and breathes in the hearts of the young
    So carry on
    You're runnin' on borrowed time
    Tryin' hard to survive
    Keep on runnin'
    Your time is comin'
    Keep your dreams alive
    Follow your heart (you got to follow your heart)
    Living for today, forget about tomorrow

  • @kennycab3374
    @kennycab3374 Год назад +6

    You will say they are not underrated, but amongst the monsters of rock they were for sure. My first underrated rock band is Great White, second is April Wine, and 3rd most underrated band is Triumph. If you were interested in my number 4 pick it was UFO.

  • @ricardomarramarra4121
    @ricardomarramarra4121 Год назад +10

    One of the best bands of the early eighties !

  • @gareldmarks224
    @gareldmarks224 Год назад +9

    It's tragic what happened in that band. Rik is such an unfathomable talent . He really deserves to be a superstar

  • @bshef3424
    @bshef3424 Год назад +7

    ..."Lay it on the Line".....top 5 BEST rock Songs EVER??....

  • @smedleybutler8787
    @smedleybutler8787 Год назад +9

    I was at that show ..they really laid it on the line.

  • @MichaelSRQ
    @MichaelSRQ Год назад +7

    I got to see Triumph twice front row center: once in 1985, then in 1986. Both concerts in Ft. Myers, Florida. I still have the legit set list given to me by one of the security personnel who needed to be on guard for the pyro explosions. I have it framed on my wall. Amazing shows!

  • @marcusmartinez5713
    @marcusmartinez5713 Год назад +4

    They were a rock ‘n’ roll group one of the best..

  • @YAMISOOLD2009
    @YAMISOOLD2009 Год назад +5

    Thanks so much for posting that! I have it on dvd but haven't watched it in quite a while! I saw them on this tour in September of '86. This took me back!

  • @dschamber7190
    @dschamber7190 6 месяцев назад +16

    How this band didn't get more commercial and world wide success is almost criminal... there wasn't many bands in this era or since that had the Double Lead Vocal Attack that Rik Emmett and Gil Moore had.... add to that the fact that Rik Emmett was a premier lead guitarist and they all had awesome stage presence and showmanship.... they had the song writing talents and Gil owned Metal Works Studio....... someone tell me how they didn't get to the level of Rush and other top acts?!!? lol

    • @liveklassics5112
      @liveklassics5112  6 месяцев назад +2

      Well said. I did have the opportunity in '85 or '86 to see them live and they did not disappoint.

    • @markcar915
      @markcar915 3 месяца назад +1

      Saw Triumph 12 times. Love those guys. They had great songs and high energy concerts. The best!!

    • @DanielFaith-g1d
      @DanielFaith-g1d 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@markcar915me too I saw them about 4 times all in Toronto they were great one of best Rock shows ever and I saw all the best bands from Ozzy to Priest Areosmith Motley Crue,Dio.etc..
      nobody was better than Triumph.

    • @SeanRoberts-my8lh
      @SeanRoberts-my8lh 2 месяца назад +1

      they were big enough and lasted longer than most bands. Sounds like a success to me.

    • @JS-wl3gi
      @JS-wl3gi 2 месяца назад

      Thier music has aged well. I still listen to them.

  • @johnkiser6851
    @johnkiser6851 Год назад +3

    Awesome! Should be in Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. I think this is the tour where Rick Santers joined them on guitar. Santers was an awesome band in its own right.

  • @debracole6587
    @debracole6587 Год назад +12

    Rick Emmett is one of the most under rated musicians there is. His talent goes beyond rock.

    • @RikEmmett08
      @RikEmmett08 2 месяца назад +1

      ✌🏻✌🏻❣🎸

  • @gareldmarks224
    @gareldmarks224 Год назад +5

    Holy frapp.. talented boys. But if you know anything about the band Rik was done dirty . So amazing together

  • @vestel777
    @vestel777 Год назад +2

    To bad this Concert wasn’t released on CD and or Blu-ray or possibly 4K with a Dolby ATMOS Audio Mix.

  • @matiasromero328
    @matiasromero328 Год назад +17

    What a great recording!

  • @daviddeaton1575
    @daviddeaton1575 Месяц назад +1

    ❤ Saw this band play around 83 in US They where really great some of this looks pre recorded to me but still great 😊

  • @JRTrilling
    @JRTrilling Месяц назад +2

    This was my first Triumph tour, and it was mind blowing the performance these 3 put on. The stage show was also one of the best back then.

  • @65vaughn
    @65vaughn Год назад +5

    Rick Santers is awesome addition to this band .

  • @MikeRenaud-q4o
    @MikeRenaud-q4o Месяц назад +1

    I love the slow motion in this it's awesome.

  • @gareldmarks224
    @gareldmarks224 Год назад +3

    Damnit he was done dirty

  • @cjshardcorepunkmusicvault8474
    @cjshardcorepunkmusicvault8474 Год назад +15

    Rush & Triumph - Canada's greatest rock exports. What were the chances that they would both be trio's?

    • @Albertojedi
      @Albertojedi Год назад +1

      Both are great bands but I always preferred Triumph over Rush.

    • @jim6025
      @jim6025 Год назад +1

      Love both but I like RUSH first and then Triumph

    • @franciscocas8555
      @franciscocas8555 Год назад +1

      Don't forget about Saga....

    • @benm9193
      @benm9193 Год назад

      April Wine was another phenomenal band from Canada!

    • @jimnorthrup8373
      @jimnorthrup8373 2 месяца назад

      What nobody's heard of Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush?

  • @mortomike6124
    @mortomike6124 Год назад +8

    Still, they were a great band/musicians, and underrated. Whether you dislike the video content or not.

  • @Jeffrey.Seelman
    @Jeffrey.Seelman Год назад +4

    This is a great concert. Every song. Thanks from Wisconsin.

  • @patrickriley195
    @patrickriley195 2 месяца назад +3

    My first concert was Triumph, Thunder 7 tour 1985, Reunion Arena, Molly Hatchet opened and there wasn’t a cellphone in sight!

  • @lorettahookano6139
    @lorettahookano6139 2 месяца назад +9

    Gil is such an underrated drummer & singer !

    • @RikEmmett08
      @RikEmmett08 2 месяца назад +1

      ✌🏻✌🏻❣🎸

    • @jim6025
      @jim6025 2 месяца назад

      I love Gills voice

    • @javiermoretti1825
      @javiermoretti1825 Месяц назад +1

      Underrated for good reason. He's an adequate drummer, but he's no Neil Peart.

    • @The_Story_Channel
      @The_Story_Channel Месяц назад

      @@javiermoretti1825 That says nothing, very few if any can be compared to the professor, the one thing Gil Moore had that Neil did not was a decent voice and not many can play the drums well and sing decent at the same time, it is trickier than it appears.

  • @MrCrrispy
    @MrCrrispy Год назад +10

    Awesome sound quality and nice picture for the era, thanks

  • @seantitchener280
    @seantitchener280 Год назад +4

    Canada's 2nd best power trio!❤

    • @chrismoller4272
      @chrismoller4272 Месяц назад

      Noo that would be Mahogany Rush my friend

    • @seantitchener280
      @seantitchener280 Месяц назад

      @@chrismoller4272 Whilst I would agree that Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush were indeed a fine band, I don't think that they ever performed as a trio?🤔

  • @tracezachdaniels4264
    @tracezachdaniels4264 Год назад +4

    GREAT JOB ALL...THANX 4 MAKING Tee with LIONS NAMED LEO the music worldwide.
    LOVE YOU ALL...!!!

  • @tonyn3227
    @tonyn3227 3 месяца назад +4

    Such a great talented band, from Canada, and yet rush was much bigger.

  • @jeffgriffie8757
    @jeffgriffie8757 Год назад +4

    Just Freaking Awesome/!!!!

  • @chrismoller4272
    @chrismoller4272 Месяц назад +1

    Rick is a major talent but they reached the end of thier shelf life. Always the best show on the road

  • @johnsmith-wd5sq
    @johnsmith-wd5sq Год назад +1

    I saw them in the 80's at the New haven coliseum in Ct. What a Great band! One of the best nights of my life!

  • @williamweiss6128
    @williamweiss6128 Год назад +7

    Killer vocals.

  • @daviddinu1089
    @daviddinu1089 Год назад +4

    Anyone from Toronto? Saw them at the CNE Grandstand in the late 70's. Great show.

  • @micolfortuna4723
    @micolfortuna4723 Год назад +9

    One of the greatest Rock Bands in all of Rock History.

  • @DanielFaith-g1d
    @DanielFaith-g1d 3 месяца назад +2

    Awesome I just watched this whole concert again it took me back in time like I was in a time Machine Loved every minute of it I saw Triumph 4 times in Toronto there so great love you guys,and all the Triumph fans out there.I saw Triumph in 1985- 87-88 90 then saw Rik Emmett by himself still put on a great show my heart will always be in the 80s where I grew up in Toronto saw many bands and at all he popular Rock bars like the Gas Works,Rock n Roll Heaven,Larrys Hideaway Nags Head North so many Rock joint and great times Im still rockin all the best everyone be strong and safe 🎸🎤🎶🤟

  • @DenisPopov888
    @DenisPopov888 2 месяца назад +4

    Great show. Excellent sound, both Rik and Gil are awesome singers, and BTW Mike sings as well! They are all great and tight. Very good guitar / bass/drums interplay. Additional keys are a great welcome

  • @tracezachdaniels4264
    @tracezachdaniels4264 Год назад +4

    SOME of my mentors....and in 1987 TRAXTER was born..and got to meet rick and all in bakersfield ca..ooowee

    • @RikEmmett08
      @RikEmmett08 2 месяца назад +1

      ✌🏻✌🏻❣🎸

  • @stevengoodman3498
    @stevengoodman3498 Год назад +11

    Thanks for posting this. First time i saw Triumph was opening for AC/DC right before Bon Scott died in late 70s. I was hooked from the first moment i saw them and a fan ever since! Incredible group of musicians.

    • @kennycab3374
      @kennycab3374 Год назад

      Awesome. I saw over 500 concerts in my life, and fuck me for not seeing Triumph, ACDC, or the Stones, but I saw everyone else you could think of. So weird I never seen those 3 though. Uhggggggg

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise 2 месяца назад +1

    When I was a kid I lived near this Portuguese club where a cover band rehearsed and they tried for ages to put Follow Your Heart into their set but nobody in the band could hit the high notes in that line "you've got to follow your heart". They had the rest of the song down but they never quite got that part.

  • @davidbaumgarten8339
    @davidbaumgarten8339 Год назад +8

    This is AWESOME!! I had seen Triumph 3 times,glad to see this again 🤘🤘👍👍👍👍

    • @ericdumais5636
      @ericdumais5636 Год назад +1

      Don’t know if in nova scotia it was helix as special guest i saw this tour in montreal it was a fantastik show !!!

  • @karengarrison3666
    @karengarrison3666 Год назад +5

    I've just subscribed!
    Love Triumph, saw them years ago.
    Can't wait to see upcoming posts from you! ❤

  • @TheRealDannAlexander
    @TheRealDannAlexander Год назад +3

    What a great sound. And I know the venue well. It’s a five minute drive from my home.

  • @miagames4159
    @miagames4159 Год назад +5

    i was there🤘

  • @tomschlaerth8547
    @tomschlaerth8547 Год назад +7

    This is great. I remember seeing this tour fresh out of highschool. Thanks for posting

  • @glennsorensen309
    @glennsorensen309 Год назад +9

    I was at that concert
    Seen them 4 times what an awesome band

    • @ras124
      @ras124 Год назад

      Yeah, ok

  • @cafarchio
    @cafarchio Год назад +8

    January 16, my birthday. Thank you for sharing this, Triumph is great!

  • @dalenwindsor
    @dalenwindsor 8 месяцев назад +2

    Wow. Dr Feelgood concert and stage was incredible. Now I see where it came from. Same opening with the laser guy. Similar lighting rig.

    • @lanceanderson202
      @lanceanderson202 Месяц назад

      Yes.i was thinking the same thing.Triumph live in 87 then Crüe Dr Feelgood tour in 89. .very interesting

  • @brettaxelson6163
    @brettaxelson6163 3 месяца назад +1

    "Tears In The Rain" is a great opening number and kicks ass!!

  • @janerollings8955
    @janerollings8955 4 месяца назад +1

    The good old days of Rock and Roll, one of the best bands ever ❤added to those bands are Cinderella, Mr Big, Poison, so many great bands so underrated.

    • @RikEmmett08
      @RikEmmett08 2 месяца назад +1

      ✌🏻✌🏻❣🎸

  • @georgekaptur5160
    @georgekaptur5160 Год назад +14

    Remember kids, the Bic lighter at a live concert was required

    • @cango5679
      @cango5679 Год назад +3

      now they light up the mobile screen with a insta pic of a bic lighter... 😞

  • @samharper8293
    @samharper8293 Год назад +10

    Just stumbled upon this channel and I want to shout out a big Thank You to @LiveClassics for this trip back through memory lane!! In 87 I was 27, so as you can guess, I’ve lived through one of the greatest decades to ever exist. Our generation brought Sex, Drugs & Rock & Roll to the Party and haven’t looked back.. I have a collage of old ticket stubs from the mid 70’s moving forward. Some were as low as $10.50 for festival seating. Priceless…. 🔥🔥🔥

    • @liveklassics5112
      @liveklassics5112  Год назад +3

      I was 18 in 1987 and I remember paying $40 for Pink Floyd tickets and thought this is so much money 🤑🤑🤑

    • @AnthonyJD3
      @AnthonyJD3 Год назад +1

      I remember a couple of times before that when Don King announced the Jacksons’s Victory tour, the ticket price was 35 dollars and I thought that was shocking. Now 350 dollars doesn’t even mean you are in the first couple of rows

  • @kcrich1310
    @kcrich1310 2 месяца назад +1

    Holy Fuck! Those guys put on a show! Rik Emmit is talented as fuck.......

  • @jhg1234
    @jhg1234 Месяц назад +1

    I saw this show 11/27/86. they had a power outage on the stage towards the end of the show. we had to sit and wait till they got it back on. other than that it was a great show

  • @gareldmarks224
    @gareldmarks224 Год назад +2

    Look at the performance of lay I on the line

  • @lmn1966
    @lmn1966 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you so much for this incredible band concert! 💕 seen them many times.

  • @dandomangue3507
    @dandomangue3507 Месяц назад +1

    Pn÷and of the most talented bands to com the along all great musicians ❤

  • @darren4497
    @darren4497 Месяц назад +1

    My sister took me to this show.

  • @roller2di1970
    @roller2di1970 Год назад +6

    So awesome - thanks for sharing!!

  • @tmcoyles9676
    @tmcoyles9676 Год назад +2

    At least they had a motorcycle named after them !

  • @nemesis196304
    @nemesis196304 Месяц назад +1

    Back in the day I had always had wished that Rush, Triumph and Max Webster had done a tour together. Oh well.

  • @eduardgevorgyan3315
    @eduardgevorgyan3315 3 месяца назад +1

    AMAZING CONCERT !

  • @kevincvitkovich7823
    @kevincvitkovich7823 Год назад +1

    I was there. Great show

  • @gerarddobinson566
    @gerarddobinson566 Год назад +6

    Amazing bank.

    • @liveklassics5112
      @liveklassics5112  Год назад +1

      I'm guessing you mean "band" to which I say "Hell Yeah!"

  • @mode1charlie170
    @mode1charlie170 Год назад +10

    I was 19 and was at this concert….great times!

    • @geester2123
      @geester2123 Год назад +1

      I was 21 at this show. Great time to be young. I remember staying after as they recorded a video. “ Just One Night “ I think but not sure.

    • @Solar55
      @Solar55 Год назад +1

      I was 21 as well. I remember the post concert video shoot !

  • @chriskelly6559
    @chriskelly6559 Год назад +13

    This was when you watched the band and not your effin phone.

  • @scottfox7642
    @scottfox7642 Год назад +3

    25:46 "FOLLOW YOUR HEART"

  • @tarcy-m-4505
    @tarcy-m-4505 Месяц назад +1

    I really liked Triumph, but it wasn't very popular here in Japan. Triumph is the best!

  • @gareldmarks224
    @gareldmarks224 Год назад +2

    Then midsommersnight day dream right after that

  • @zetrobueno8687
    @zetrobueno8687 Год назад +2

    1:03:07 Spellbound

  • @barrygerenski6259
    @barrygerenski6259 Год назад +3

    The other Canadian power trio

  • @cemetarygates2800
    @cemetarygates2800 Год назад +2

    Saw this tour.
    Appreciate the memories.

  • @tracezachdaniels4264
    @tracezachdaniels4264 Год назад +2

    and also inspired LIONS NAMED LEO aahh yeah

  • @colinlawrence36
    @colinlawrence36 2 месяца назад

    saw them on their Allied Forces tour with opening band Santers. Only 4000 showed up and those that didn't missed an amazing show. It was as if they were labelled a poor mans Rush which was so not true

  • @LiveeyePhoto
    @LiveeyePhoto 2 месяца назад +1

    They remind me so much of rush, only a little heavyer

  • @free1982
    @free1982 Год назад +3

    Nice Trio Band👌🤩

  • @robertalsup6959
    @robertalsup6959 2 месяца назад +1

    Amazing!!! And it's so refreshing to see NO CELL PHONES!!!

  • @lawsonteixeira7536
    @lawsonteixeira7536 Месяц назад +1

    🤘🏽🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷🔥🤘🏽

  • @jb1934
    @jb1934 Год назад +3

    were those jackson guitars? don't see that a lot. kind of reminds me of dokken, an 80's power pop band with an A-list guitar-player, which never quite made it to the overall A-list.

    • @laidlaw3
      @laidlaw3 Год назад +2

      Yamaha RGX series

    • @Dr._J
      @Dr._J Год назад

      Power Pop, wtf is wrong with you?

    • @jeffwarren4938
      @jeffwarren4938 6 месяцев назад +1

      Saw Dokken open for Dio in '84 or so..give or take. Not bad...good guitarist....Dio killed it...awesome show.

  • @readmore4178
    @readmore4178 Год назад

    Love it. But, this doesn’t sound live.

  • @douglasveragino9706
    @douglasveragino9706 Год назад +2

  • @JohnStraussmusic
    @JohnStraussmusic Год назад +3

    just 3 guys and no backing tracks

  • @DanielFaith-g1d
    @DanielFaith-g1d 3 месяца назад +1

    Triumph and Gil Moore were the first band to come out with Pyrotechnics and lazers greatest rock show on earth one time .

  • @1970borntorun
    @1970borntorun Год назад +3

    Such a shame such a wonderful and talented Band got so soft and commercial for the Sport of Kings record and lost their hardcore fanbase.

  • @steveopc81
    @steveopc81 Месяц назад +1

    If you don’t like this… I don’t want to know you.

  • @genesiocarreiro
    @genesiocarreiro Месяц назад

    🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

  • @anthonyrichard461
    @anthonyrichard461 Год назад +2

    Always thought Triumph was a 3 piece band?

    • @radiowave
      @radiowave Год назад

      They are.. I had seen them 3 times B4 this..was disappointed to see another guitarist on tour..

    • @Yes-gz9qs
      @Yes-gz9qs Год назад +2

      They were before Sport of Kings but then decided to add a guitarist live because the arrangments Guitar\Keyboards on that album were a bit more complex. CHEERS!

    • @Darin.Pearson
      @Darin.Pearson Год назад +2

      Triumph is a three member band. Rick Santers played some live performances so they didn't have to add pre-recorded keyboards and secondary guitar parts.

    • @bama1usaf
      @bama1usaf Год назад

      Awesome I wondered the same. Makes sense.

    • @anthonyrichard461
      @anthonyrichard461 Год назад

      Thanks
      Thats what I thought and saw live video of the early days that I thought would have been nearly impossible for a three man band to pull off.
      @@Darin.Pearson

  • @davefrancis4529
    @davefrancis4529 Год назад +2

    Sneaking suspicion this was pre-recorded, in particular when drummer sings. There are few mystery cymbal strikes too and they seem to make sure all drum fills are filmed from a distance. I want to be wrong but I don’t think I am.

    • @richardhullah2974
      @richardhullah2974 Год назад +1

      Yep it sounds too polished to be completely live

    • @chrislano8531
      @chrislano8531 Год назад

      Obvious at 3:21

    • @gordmoodie3861
      @gordmoodie3861 Год назад +1

      They definitely did some overdubs for the DVD release. I don't know why, I have the original VHS release of this show and the original board recordings were fine. It's glaringly obvious during the first song where Moore's cymbal fills are not there in places. Kinda disappointing because Triumph was always a group that prided itself on their live shows; and there was absolutely no reason I could hear on the original tape that the DVD release needed to be overdubbed.

    • @Yes-gz9qs
      @Yes-gz9qs Год назад

      Yep. Was dissapointed when I bought this and watched it. It has been heavily dubbed and the live sound seems too good to be true 😮

    • @TheGrapeofWrath1
      @TheGrapeofWrath1 3 месяца назад

      I think you're unquestionably correct, but it's not something that every band doesn't do. At least Emmett's voice isn't autotuned. If you want the exact experience of any band, you have to find a bootleg, which are notoriously poor quality. Or you can go to the show, which is unfortunately impossible unless you have the keys to a certain DeLorean. Be well.

  • @metaljimmy217
    @metaljimmy217 9 месяцев назад +1

    GOTTA BE THREE PIECE !!

  • @luvradios
    @luvradios Год назад +2

    Why in the hell is "Never Surrender" not in this set list? Was it preformed during the tour but not recorded for this?

  • @gregroland9503
    @gregroland9503 Год назад +1

    Frehleyizhere27

  • @schmitty139
    @schmitty139 10 месяцев назад +1

    Alright..Alright, so yall can rock north of the border..🇨🇦🫱🫲🇺🇸

  • @rhoeft3617
    @rhoeft3617 Год назад +2

    80s spandex = today's yoga pants.
    Hey 80's Rik, try on these yoga pants.
    80's Rik: WTF??!!!!