Why do some cards say "Even if Not"? - Advanced Rulings
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- Have you ever seen a card like Blue-Eyes Jet Dragon which says (even if not) in parentheses? The reason card say this is actually because of the really unique ruling that is so niche, they just printed on cards in which applies to so its easier to understand.
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And once again, the existence of Duel Academy is justified.
No it totally makes sense .
@@thecomradewardaThat's what he's saying.
@@spartanq7781 no no what I’m say is that it is a very simple concept.
@@thecomradewarda no its not cause its not in a rulebook or on the card. these kind of stipulations should only be on cards that deal with opponents field or cards. there are no cards that interfere with this so "if not" is irrelevant
Duel academy needs to hire DuelLogs as a full time teacher there
This is the kind of stuffs that would come out as final exam for term 6 just before you write your dissertation.
“Your opponent has no way of knowing if you had Jet Dragon in your hand already…” *Meanwhile, that one kid who uses Clear World field spell…*
Mind Crush users crying in the Background
"the final exam won't be hard"
The final exam:
The final exam you must beat a tier 0 deck with a deck from a 3rd rate duelist with a 4th rate deck.
@@joshwest9373 ah so any modern deck Vs blue eyes lol
Well, if Chazz could do it, we should be able to do it too
I see now why GX had you attend a specialized school for 3 years. Holy shit.
This is more or less basic things lol.
There are so obscure rulings in ygo.
Now we know why Kaiba made an academy to learn to play this game.
@@thecomradewarda shut up.
Kaiba might have been the rival of the series but had the best intentions in mind by teaching people how to play properly.
@@chrisb.2028 He made the academy because he wanted a worthy opponent since the Yami died
Pretending you already had jet dragon in hand isn’t lying, it’s playing as intended
You meant the policy that konami applie that allows legal cheating because of non-public location, because it would allow cheating to be legal in tournament they reverse it back the other way to prevent legal cheating
Kaiba I summon blue eyes eh jet dragon ...
Yes. Even if not=cheating but technically not cheating because you’re using public zones
@@xLatinAssazzin ¿ WHAT ?
This is the first time ive heard someone use "public place" and "private place" in a discussion about a card game.
Usually you'll hear it as "public knowledge", like for example I can confirm cards you searched from an effect like RotA since searches are public knowledge but you can then shuffle your hand so I don't know the exact location since I'm allowed to know the card exists there but not the exact position. Another example would be placing a card that got top decked face up as a short-hand to not have to manually confirm constantly or having a card that was placed face down by an effect like Failnaught or Ignition remain face up for player convenience.
I had no trouble understanding this card until I watched this. Thanks I guess?
Kaiba out here creating confusing, broken cards for himself 😂
I swear it was easier to get my bachelors than understand modern yugioh
Bad rulings out the ass with modern yugioh
This is also why the Electrumite-Astrograph combo is so effective, Astrograph triggers its own special summon effect out of electrumite destroys something to add it from the Extra deck to the hand, even if that destruction happened technically while it was in the extra deck
It's also why stick & chair was such a powerful combo back in the day.
-Normal star seraph scepter, activate its stratos effect to search the throne.
-Chain the effect of the throne in hand which activates if a star seraph was summoned.
-chain resolves. Throne specials itself & draws a card, then scepter searches throne no. 2.
-throne's effect isn't once per turn, and because you just summoned a star seraph (throne no.2), you get to special summon throne no.2 and draw another card.
-if either of the cards drawn by throne was throne no.3, then summon that too & draw an additional card.
-overlay your scepter +2 thrones into any rank 4 that could use 3 materials, then activate scepter's effect to pop a card & draw on xyz summon.
End result is a 2 card combo that drew 2-4 cards + an xyz monster, which isn't a lot today but was pretty huge back when it was printed irl.
Now I finally understand how primula the rikka fairy works with glamour, which is annoying because it doesn't have the "even if not" anywhere in the card.
I’m more confused than before I watched the video
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but simply put: cards in hand is private information, so you can always assume that you have that card in the first place to meet the trigger condition, even if it is (blatantly) not the case.
For example: You have no cards in your hand, then use Ahrima Tribute another DARK monster to search Darkest Diabolos. Diabolos will trigger it summoning effect, even though you know for sure Diabolos wans't there when your monster is Tributed (you have no cards in hand after all).
This is very confusing to imply so newer cards use the "even if not" clause to clarify things.
@@nguyenphamthanhgiang8951I STILL don't get it
@@theodorejenkins6066I agree
I don't get it either
I activate my special ability, gaslighting!
This reminds me of a kind of rules shenanigan I've been thinking about for years:
You can tribute set a monster that can normally be tribute summoned. An example would be Nobleman Eater Bug, which is a 5-star monster with a flip effect. Doing a tribute set triggers normal "when this card is tributed" effects.
So let's say you tribute set a monster, and you gain some sort of "when this card is tributed" effect. Then you bounce the tribute set monster back to your hand with something like Compulsory Evacuation Device, then shuffle it into your deck with something like Reload. The card that you tribute set is never revealed to your opponent, and is effectively lost in the deck. Your opponent would have no means to confirm if the tribute set monster was actually a monster that could be tribute summoned, and thus could not confirm that the "when this card is tributed" effect was legally activated. Using these cards could amount to a game action of unverified legality. I don't know how this would be resolved in a tournament setting.
....what?????
setting isn't summoning and cards have to specify if they include it
@@gothicbutterfly013if im not mistaken, what he said is:
You can pretend to tribute set a monster to activate the tributed monster effect on GY, and there is no way for your opponent to know if the set monster is truly a 5* monster if you use an effect to shuffle the set card in deck. Making this a illegal play (could use even a magic/trap for that)
@@some2043yes, setting wont activate the set monster effects, but a tribute set is allowed, so if a monster is sent to the GY by this tribute set, its effect will trigger in GY but theres no way for your opponent to know if you truly set a Dark Magician Girl or just a random Trap card if you shuffle it back to the deck.
Though i see no reason to use this cheating instead of a Link summon for example.
@@VGARL Hypothetically speaking, there's probably a few monster cards out there that could be improved if you added a "destroy this anytime you can normal summon" clause to it. Even in those cases, though, going minus for the effect would be kind of ridiculous
It's similar to how you can activate Salamangreat Gazelle's summoning effect if you added it off Cynet Mining, and used a Salamangreat as discard cost
The funny part is that it worked even when Gazelle was still at 1
"But we know there's only 1 Gazelle! How does it trigger?"
"Konami said so I dunno"
All rulings should be printed like this
Bruh, everytime I opened Log's ruling short comments, its always the same shit about duelist academy.
Dkayed: "it's legal, cheating-"
Fire King makes it kinda easier to understand: Searching for Sacred Fire King Garunix (which has the same trigger as Jet Dragon, just for monsters with FIRE as the original attribute) using Fire King Island already lets you Special Summon it, because you had to destroy a FIRE monster to search in the first place
Even funnier, if you have two in the board, you are inmune to effect destruction 😊
What's really funny is that no one reads Jet. So people just Harpy your back row. Then rage quit because nothing happened.
@@Spaz740when you use lightning storm
@@Spaz740 WHY GAME BUG?
Not really. As far as I know Jet Dragon doesn't protect other copies of itself.
@@Wortigon2000 It does, actually!
_Other cards you control cannot be destroyed by your opponent's card effects._
Of course it's Kaiba's Archetype that lets you screw the rules like this.
These 2 rulings apply to any and all cards that summon themselves from hand or gy with a trigger effect. Even the ones that don't have the "even if not" in parenthesis, from sky striker Raye to salamangreat gazelle.
Is that the reason why Astrograph Sorcerer triggers when added to the hand by Heavymetalfoes Electrumite?
Yep
(Even if not) is a unique ruling, is to make the card more understandable for everyone. But here we are with DuelLog saying, "It is kind of confusing" meaning it isn't understandable and contradicts itself to be understood.
Yugioh card text is so bloated exactly because of this, they put more words in it, in order for people to get all the information possible of how the card can work, in theory, a card does exactly what it's written in it, nothing else, and nothing more, in practice you still require in depth knowledge of certain concepts to use the card properly, public and not public knowledge is a concept that isn't taught very well, in theory all cards that are face up for your opponent to see what it is, is public knowledge, in reality you can know which card it is if it's set face down by another card, or if it was added to your hand and it's the only remaining card.
Wow, thanks a lot.
My reasoning for it was completely incorrect!
Nah, this makes it more confusing. It's just the same as why Gazelle 'sees' the Jaguar sent from hand as a cost to the GY when that same Gazelle has just been added to hand by Cynet Mining and the same case for Ixeep 'sees' the banished Fish when that same Ixeep is added with The Most Distant, Deepest Depths
Long story short, yugioh timing is "special"
A certain kind of Special...
@@Ramsey276one
A Special that is both Super AND Awesome?
Hi. When you highlight text it’s really confusing when you cut it out. Can you leave the text on the card as is so one can pause and read the effect?
Idk I like the cutout better
@@carter3012 i mean fine that you like it better but i cannot even read the card
@@maomaeramnon3870pause at start, read effect, fill in the blank
The site has a built in function called slowing the video speed or even better, the pause button
@@kingofgrim4761 yeah I get that. It’s more like „go back to the start. Pause the video. Read the text.“ shouldn’t even need all those extra steps. Most annoying part is when you read it while listening and then the part disappears
This is one kind of situation that MtG handles way more easily. (The stack would pause after Raigeki Break resolves and give you a chance to reveal/special summon, since everything doesn't have to resolve at once.)
The wax has me banished to the Shadow Realm, I'll have to come back later and watch this.
Altergiest multifaker also works the same I guess, but it's text is different
Those are definitely....words
Garunix also has an '(even if not) effect, as well as to combing with Fire King Island
machina fortress also has a similar thing where you can use himself as part of his discard cost because you can summon summon him this way from your hand or gy. It's like a ritual monster that was It's own spell and could sacrifice itself for the cost. It's awesome.
Also
"AND IF YOU DO"
Well if I didn't I wouldn't expect otherwise but *go off then*
XD
Hand is a private zone, so you can't prove it wasn't there. Even if there's a continuous effect revealing my hand, the top of my deck or if my hand was empty
that sounds very dumb
This gives me an idea for a new Kaiba themed card…
Remember that one scene where Kaiba and Mokuba just stole a car and gave the poor sod a check that was worth WAY more than what said card was worth?
I’m thinking of a card where you pay larger sums of LP to summon or search out monsters:
_Kaiba Corp. Kredit Kard_
Quick-Play Spell
_You can only activate this card while you control a face-up “Kaibaman”. Increase your LP by equal to the combined total ATK/DEF of all monsters you control, then declare the name of 1 monster you own, pay LP Equal to it’s original total ATK/DEF, and apply 1 of the following effects:_
⚪️Add the Declared monster to your hand from your deck or GY.
⚪️Special Summon the Declared monster from your hand or Deck.
⚪️Send the Declared monster to the GY from your hand or deck.
_You can only activate 1 “Kaiba Corp. Kredit Kard” per turn._
And while we’re at it, let’s give Kaibaman a Retrain:
_Kaibaman - HERO with Eyes of Blue_
Level 3
Warrior/Tuner/Effect
_While this card is face-up on the field or in the GY, its name becomes “Kaibaman”. If you control a face-up “Obelisk the Tormentor” or “Blue-Eyes” monster (Quick Effect): You can pay 900 LP; Special Summon this card from your hand or GY. Monsters you control can be treated as 2 tributes for the summon/set of your monsters, and also, Spell/Traps can be tributed for their summon/set. You can gain LP equal to any battle or effect damage you inflict on your opponent. You can tribute this card: apply 1 of the following effects. (Each of these effects of “Kaibaman - HERO with Eyes of Blue” can only be applied once per turn.)_
⚪️Special Summon 1 “Blue-Eyes” or “Eyes of Blue” monster from your hand or deck, and if you do, it’s name is treated as “Blue-Eyes White Dragon” while on the field.
⚪️Add 1 card to your hand from your deck or GY that mentions “Obelisk the Tormentor” in it’s name or effects, and if you do, you can conduct an additional normal summon/set this turn.
ATK/200 DEF/700
(For anyone wondering why the Kaibaman retrain is a HERO card, “Kaibaman” is just Kaiba’s personal Superhero OC, so I thought that would be funny, especially after Kaiba helped kickstart the event’s of GX and ARC-V by sending some of Jaiden’s cards into space to *_teach aliens how to duel… Successfully…)_*
Very informative video. Love this
But what if your opponnent had info of cards in your hand ? Like ceremonial Bell ? Or what if they used Mind Crush previously calling Jet Dragon ?
Still works because Konami said so. Even if you used Personal Spoofing to add Multifaker when Multifaker was at 1, it would still trigger in hand even though they couldn't have possibly had another one.
After your opponent stops checking your hand, then your hand becomes private knowledge again and they, presumably, could have forgotten or misremembered what was in the hand so there's no longer any 100% certainty that they know those cards are correct
Also it's ruled this way because otherwise you'd have to add a "unless your opponent has seen your hand recently with no unknown changes to it" and that is even messier to rule
The gamestate basically never knows your hand, even if your opponent can easily extrapolate it using logic because the card is limited or all the other possible copies are in the gy, etc. The gamestate just assumes the card could have been in your hand already.
Wow, I really need an explanation about this actually😂❤
The ruling is basically:
Your opponent can check if it was in grave, but can’t check if you already had another copy in hand when you searched, so we can’t rule on the one in hand, so we just allow it…
It's funnier to explain it with "Your opponent has no way to know you already had one copy in hand before you added" and bring as an example the interaction between Cynet Mining and the only copy of Salamangreat Gazelle. It's also funny explaining it with the card that created this ruling Green Baboon Defender of the Forest, and this example explains another ruling that says "you can activate only one trigger effect per chain of a monster that special summons itself and that lists the hand as one of the possible locations from which it can be summoned"
Instructions unclear. My board is negated and I can't play anything.
I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Basically, if a card is destroyed as chain link 2, and blue jet is THEN added to the hand as chain link 1, you can still special summon it bc the opponent cannot confirm whether it was there BEFORE the first card was destroyed to trigger the effect (they don't have the right to know/check your hand)
However, if the same scenario happens, but blue jet is instead sent to the GY, then its effect cannot activate because, here, the opponent CAN confirm that blue jet wasn't in the GY when the condition for its effect's activation was met (the destruction of the first card)
Now I'm even more confused
Omg thanks so much I wasn’t sure about how this worked
This Is Why Duel Academy Exists!
This took me 3 watches to understand
I'm probably just not understanding how the chain works but I don't think the text is even useful because it would be assumed that the previous card which calls it to that place would have fully resolved unless the next card activated in the stack canceled said card that called it there.
Thanks for this information
I play Rikka and this ruling comes up for us with Primula the Rikka Fairy. If you use Rikka Glamour to tribute a monster on your side of the field to search her and another level 4 Rikka, you can special summon her from the hand (she can special summon herself from the hand if a plant monster you control is tributed) for the same reason as Jet.
more like to specify timing, can get different outcomes depending on the chosen order what effects get chained. say if i use the excavated effects both sylvan flowerknight then Snapdrassinagon's i get to search and choose which which card gets excavated next, if in reverse order excavate the 1 card and then you pick the card that goes on top of the deck
The same thing happens with darkest Diabolos, sometimes i use ahrima's effect to search him by tributing a monster and Diabolos triggers on resolution.
Sacred fire king garunix also has this confusing sentence. People would use fire king island to destroy ponix and search for garunix, then they will summon garunix from the hand, even if he wasn't present in the hand when the destruction occured.
Garunix text says: "if your monster(s) that are originally FIRE is destroyed: you can special summon this card from your gy (if it was there when the monster was destroyed) or hand (even if not)."
The "even if not" part confuses many players and should be reworded to better clarify.
"if your monster(s) that are originally FIRE is destroyed: you can special summon this card from your gy (if it was there when the monster was destroyed) or hand (this card does not have to be present in the hand to use this effect. You can still activate this effect if this card was added to your hand after an effect or chain link resolves that involved your FIRE monster(s) getting destroyed)."
I do not understand how this is confusing. The (even if not) is clearly in reference to the prior (if it was there when..)
@@BatmannotBruceWayne1if that was the case, you would be able to summon it from the grave through its effect when it's not present in the grave. You can't. That only means both sentences in parenthesis are separate.
This was quite interesting. Cool to know
Same thing applies to face down cards. Like even if your opponent was the one to flip it face down, they now have to pretend like they don't know what that card is in regards to card affects
My favourite of these is Gazelle cus of when it was limited, the ruling of "the opponent couldnt know if you had it in hand before the trigger was fulfilled" still applying when theres no way you had a copy of it other than the one you searched is really funny to me
like its obvious why it is how it is, changing a ruling because of a banlist change would be really dumb, it just makes me laugh
Now I understand why Duel Academy AND an entire phd about the card game exists
Astrograph Sorecerer works in the same way, you destroy a pendulum scale with Eletromite to get Astrograph from the extra deck and use it's effect to special summon from the hand because a pendulum was destroyed as it was there on the trigger.
Yeah, this ruling is also a thing with Sacred Fire King Garunix and Dark Hole Dragon.
The more I learn how to play, the more I want this game to just go straight to Hell.
Damn, and I thought I knew it all... This game is VERY convoluted!! I love it!!
Thank you!!!
I think that's also how Primula interacts with Rikka Glamour's tribute effect where even if you searched Primula with Glamour, you can still special it from hand.
Though a Blue Eyes player would rarely use Foolish Burial when they have Dragon Shrine. Dragon Shrine is unlimited and potentially send 2 dragons to the graveyard while Foolish Burial is limited to 1 and can only send 1 monster the upside it can send any monster to the graveyard so it has more flexibility.
A true sleight of hand card
Ah, I see, so it's like how Astrograph Sorcerer can trigger its effect even if it wasn't in your hand when you destroyed a card with Electrumite to search it, I was so confused the first time I saw that something like that was possible but this helped me understand it at last.
Schrodinger's blue-eyes jet dragon
Note that all cards that summon themselves from hand work this way even if they don't include the text in parenthesis (this is why gazelle can be summoned when searched with cynet mining). The reminder text is just that Konami thought this distinction needed to be made clear in some cards or at some point, but the ruling applies regardless.
Same with cards that summon themselves from the gy needing to already be there, even if they don't have extra clarifying text.
This is also the reason why all dangers refer to themselves by name rather than terms like "this card" or the like
Jet Dragon is arguably the best support Blue-Eyes ever got next to Alternative
I literally thought that meant the trigger is live and eventually when the card got to my hand (even several turns later) I could activate it 😅.
The ammount i used this ruling to summon Gazelle from hand Is actualy criminal
Can you make a short video explaining the ruling for blue eyes tyrant dragon please? It’s the most complicated card I’ve ever seen. Half the time it is not even immune to traps
7:57 Get ready for a surprise, HUN!
Garunix has entered the chat (he was always there)
Thanks god to guide me into this video.
The classic Ahrima + darkest Diabolos combo
To put it in simpler terms the card has to "see" its activation requirements i order to trigger.
I learned this ruling from Darkest Diabolos, which has a similar trigger, but instead of destruction it cares about tributing. I wonder how messy this card would've been if it could be tribubed, since destruction always happens at resolution, where's tributing can happen as cost.
I consider Blue-Eyes Jet Dragon a machine type monster.
As a Clockwork Night enjoyer, so do i
So what I'm understanding is; "if" effects are allowed to trigger from the hand, deck, or extra deck (the "non-public" zones) even if they weren't in that specific zone during the Chain when its conditions were fulfilled
It’s all good cause I can just banish most of their monsters from the graveyard and their field, and constantly do that without missing a beat
Man my opponent really likes Raigeki Break.
You just made it so much more confusing 🤣
basicly if this card is in your hand before it goes anywhere it effect happens.
"Even if your hand was completely empty"
Konmai why.
SET0-KAIBA DID FLYED THIS
Now, lemme ask you this EXTREMELY specific question!
Would I styll be able to summon Jet Dragon if I did NOT have it in my hand prior, but I searched it via Melody (like in your 1st example),
BUT, in this case, earlier in the turn, MAD (Mutually Affured Destruction) was activated.
So my opp KNEW for 100% certain that I didn't have Jet Dragon in my hand prior to me activating Melody?
So, in that case, would I styll be able to summon Jet Dragon from my hand or nah?
Thnx in adv! Lol
clarifing ruling with confusing text
Ahhhhh.... Yu-gi-oh... Never change.
"Nuh-uh, it was in my hand the whole time"
Even if I have no cards in hand and my hand is revealed!
If its in hand, its just salad gazelle ruling with mining
.........What?!? I still can't even
Same deal with Sacred Fire King Garunix I believe.
I was very confused with the gy at the bottom lol
Finally, a rule that you can moake sence of.
oh so
jet dragon just cheats itself to the field then lmfao
Maybe I'm missing something, but I think there was no need to talk about the Blue-Eyes Jet Dragon being in the hand in this example, for it was sent to the GY to activate Melody before Raigeki Break destroyed a card.
Yugooh makes understanding legal talk easy
TOKEN COLLECTOR (I do believe has even if not)
Same applies to Sacred Fire King Garunix