Do You Pull In The Clutch When Trail Braking?
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No, you don't do anything with the clutch while trail braking. The clutch is totally irrelevant unless you're shifting, starting or stopping or doing slow speed turns.
Agree! Keep the engine connected to the rear tire.
Do you have a video on rev matching?
@@ECX1826 Yes, he has more than thousand videos.
I use an old bike Honda cbz extreme 150cc. I change gears with a half clutch, is it okay?
@@abielar250 no half clutch is not a good idea my mechanic told me that it wears out clutch more quickly
I know the answer!!! Clutch fully pulled in using rear brake and just jump off the bike and let it do its thing because it’s better at riding than most 💀
Correct. The bike will self regulate itself.
You don't even need to jump, the bike will do that for you after that. Bikes are so smart
@@Guitar806Can confirm. Fell off the bike once through a turn giving too much throttle and the bitch went at least another 50-100 feet on its own before hitting a wood post
No clutch when Trail breaking, butI have the habit to just tap the clutch before I change the direction to enter a tight corner, when at low speed. Don't know if it is technically right, but on a big 1200cc fully loaded bike it helps a lot.
Yep help better with controlling the bike and safer that way i do that idk if thats right or not haha
I know i have a bad habit of clutching in before going into a turn and just coasting through
Same here, def stopping doing that now!
Really? Omg!!
Dude, it's not a bad habit. It's dangerous. Anyone wondering if clutch should be pulled during trail braking should go straight for some training. Maybe also not try to trail brake, because it might be too hard concept for you.
Tons of stability comes from engine, and during the corner - from engine braking (+ potentially trail braking). Pulling the clutch will destabilize the bike so much. The only reason you're not crashing is you're probably very slow on those corners. Go and take a class for your own safety.
Me too. I need to break the bad habit.
It's a terrible habit. Why do you do this? The 1 time I did this (I'm new to riding) I asked myself why.. I was not able to downshift quick and smoothly enough before a turn.. it feels awkward and dangerous.. and why? .. there is better ways .. I would say the why is fear and panic response.
Ah, you are such a confidence builder! You make how to ride clear to all.
Best explanation yet of trail breaking it self cheers
Thank you thank you thank you very much. This has been my big question from the very first time. I been reading for two years and been watching your videos. Keep them coming really enjoy them.
Yes! I wanted to know this! I have a bad habit of using my clutch for a crutch 😢
Awesome thank you!
We in the UK learn to use the correct speed for the corner to stop in the distance we see to be clear on your own side of the road. We don't need to trail brake. That's for the race track not the public roads
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I find engine braking system so useful.😊
I agree with you about using the rear break and not using the clutch. But coming into tight slow corners that I want to slide into, I typically feather the clutch when I have dropped a gear or two and want to use hard engine breaking to slide the rear a bit and feather it out all the way at or just after apex rolling on throttle once the clutch is fully engaged and accelerate out.
Still not so consistent with it but I’m getting better at it.
It would make more sense to call it trailing off braking. Either way, I’m glad I was taught how to use trail of braking. It’s saved my bacon a couple of times. Now I just ride slower and don’t get into trouble.
Thanks
Thanks soo much for this short. It's helped my cornering tremendously!!! So simple yet so effective!!
Clutch only when you’re downshifting to rev match on the track to set yourself up for a corner exit for whatever gear is required for that corner exit, otherwise it’s hardly even applicable on street riding
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I was scared… thought you were going to say that we SHOULD be using the clutch during trail braking, as if we need another layer of complexity 😅
When I don’t pull the clutch, it typically stalls when I come to a stop
Thanks for answering Eddie much appreciated! Cheers!
What about pedal brake do you need to hold clutch?
Just press triangle
Nope, you need the combination of engine braking along with the slightly engaged front brake. You definitely don't want to completely free up the rear end! And, then apply the front brake! 😂. Unless, of course, if you're an experienced unicycle stuntman or an airplane wing walker... Maybe.. but otherwise, I would just lightly apply and release the front brake, thus `Trailbraking' 🤠
Sorry but you are totally wrong. You need to take some advanced rider courses or punch the guy who taught you that.
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I have new honda 100cc manual bike. I accidently increased throttle while holding clutch twice for just a few seconds. . Since that time I hv bn feeling softness in gearbox and a lit bit loss of compression in engine. Why is it so? What is the solution
When ur about to stall
Can we full release the throttle when we are at high speed? When i do that there is a sound coming from the front which i think indicaing the engine and bike speeds are not matching. Can someone suggest is it a habit to release the full throttle
If you pull in the clutch in a corner the bike changes balance and you will change your line arc.
I do change the gear in the middle of the corner. But I do it gently.
You really shouldn't for a couple reasons. A lot of turns have a small amount of dirt, rocks, sand or other debris that will make you loose traction. I would rather focus on staying upright than changing gears.
@@derfskittlers6125 My problem is that I've had extensive experience in the past, but didn't ride for about 20 years. Now I picked it up again, and i need a little more insight in the cornering itself. You are right, nut in a way, my coping also works. Besides, in the Netherlands the roads are close to perfect. Especially because roads are used (and maintained) a lot so they tend to be quite clean.
What's the knobby thing next to your left handlebar grip?
It's a roller for going through the menus on the dash.
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Do you have any videos on rev matching while going uphill? I ride a rebel 300, from CA where it’s no elevation and had no local hills at all.. however I recently moved to UT, 5k elevation and rolling hills.. I recently rode to the next town over, which had a steep hill, of-course going down was simple but going up, my little 300 was struggling. I’ve taken the course but I think I need to read the book again. If you have any videos that could help, I’d appreciate the link! Thanks MotoJitsu for all of the knowledge and funny videos
up or downhill is irrelevant, I have lots of videos on rev-matching.
@@MotoJitsu okay, I’m good at rev matching but I hear I have to drop a gear going uphill and I was kind of lost. Forgive me if I sound ignorant or confusing. And thanks for the response, I’ll search for some more videos of yours.
you "hear"? who cares what you hear. Go take formal high level courses from people who know what they're talking about.
@@MotoJitsu I took the basic course, which was my first ever time riding .. loved it. going to look for some great courses here because I’d love to learn as much as I can .
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So technically trail breaking is done with the rear brake, it makes the ass end squat while stay on the gas, making the turn more manageable.
No.
Msf course teaches you to pull the clutch when braking
Need video
Wait a second. People actually touch their clutch when braking and cornering? Why? Who in the world would even say to do that in the first place?
Some people are worried that when braking, they'll drop engine RPM enough to stall the bike mid corner.
@@NeoRimeOnline agreed. If you miscalculated the gear or the car in front of you slows down drastically after making their turn
@NeoRimeOnline holy molybdenum! Who rides that close to the stall limit on their bike?! Most bikes have a 6-14,000 rpm range, and most won't stall until under 1,000 rpm. If they're riding at the point when halving their speed takes them under 1,000rpm, that's one heck of a low-revving bike in the first place.
If they're riding slowly, then they're probably coming under the "slow speed manoeuvres" section, and only need to worry about the clutch at the lower end of that speed.
Ya, ya use clutch in the corner😂😂
What is trail braking?
Releasing the brake as you lean into a turn
I don't understand why you would be using the front brake going into a corner?? Aren't you supposed to do all your braking prior to entering the corner?? confused
Depends..
obviously unless you’re coming to a stop… right?? lol at least that’s what i do
So i have a question, if im coming up to a speed bump what do i do with the throttle and clutch, do i pull the clutch in but still keep a little gas on the throttle or do i just slow down but not too much and just go over it? Cause bumps here are steep so idk
I use an SLIGHT clutch engagement even on fast corners
It’s an assurance of power delivery!
Then I can add trail braking to dip the front wheel for traction.
Assurance of power delivery?
@@patrickmba7638
Yes, just like when you need to engage the clutch on slow U turns, but of course with a different level of engagement at high speed corners
@Abdul Abdelrahman For slow speeds, definitely, but for corners? Not seeing the need for it. But you do you..
@@patrickmba7638
Every rider has his own specific style motor friend
That why there are three position at the podium
I do me, you do you
Slow tight u-turn is the only time for this.
Can we use engine braking? Does it damages the engine ?
no its like letting go of the gas pedal on a car and letting it slow down by its self
The concept of trail braking is simple. But I find it difficult to trail brake while keeping throttle open. Any tips?
Ask this question first: why do you need your throttle open while turning?
It should be to just maintain speed. Otherwise you can be fully off throttle thought the turn before straightening up right and accelerating from the corner.
Next ask this: How am I holding the throttle? Is it like a complete noob grabbing at something palm down and over grasping with your fingers?
You should be holding the throttle lightly kinda like a snow cone and then you can actually get away with just holding the throttle with your palm and ring/pinkie fingers. This leaves your pointer and middle finger available for front brake actuation completely independent of the throttle twist.
Practice the proper hand motions while just sitting still in the garage/driveway. There are plenty of videos on just this; look up downshifting technique/ how to hold the throttle on a motorcycle.
To my understanding you don't. MotoJitsu have a new video with a hand camera for trail braking. Release throttle, brake, come off the brake gradually, then open the throttle after you have fully released the brake.
You dont throttle while trail braking. You only throttle after braking is done and you are past apex in most cases.
Even when those moto go guys are coming in mad hot? They are just on the brakes?
I never touch the clutch on my bike.
Vespa's are cool bikes. 😅
Nope
Obviously you’ve never raced 2-stroke machines that basically have zero engine breaking.
may ad you should also pull the clutch if youre making emergency swerves caus it makes the bike way easier to throw around do the lack of rotating forces of the engine!
God no, just don't
But I am from Europe and that's exactly how they teached me to swerve when I was learning to ride the bike for my licence...?? I am so confused... I have the bike for a month now and basically every maneuver I learned in riding school is considered dangerous here...
@@idagergely6235 I'm also from Europe and we have emergency swerve on 50km/h where I've been taught to just let of the gas and swerve. Anyway, the bike is much easier to throw around if you let off the gas as you'll start to engine brake, your front fork will become shorter and it allows for much better manoeuvrability. As per other comment I advice you to take some trainings as not only many times what they actually teach you in riding school is how to pass the exam. You have probably many misconceptions on what's what, just like I had. For me courses on a track were eye opening, I learned a lot there and I'm a huge fan of track riding now. Don't believe too much in everything you've learned so far, because many times you might have understood it incorrectly (just like I did).
@Ida Gergely In Germany we also learn to pull the clutch in for quick swerves and everyone ever tried it knows its the correct way. dont listen to people who say the opposite youre not going to swerve fast enough with the engine on higher revs and the clutch out
but defenitly not for cornering! motojistsu is absolutely right about that. just for the purpose of not hitting an object in your way you pull the clutch!
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