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Laurence The Worst Vicar (Part 1) [Bloodborne Lore]
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2023
- Laurence, the founder of Yharnam's Healing Church, is one of Bloodborne's most important characters, despite having almost no screen time or dialogue. In this episode, Sophie and Sin explore the events of Laurence's life, from Byrgenwerth to the Healing Church to Cainhurst.
Once the events of Laurence's life are laid out, Part 2 will discuss Laurence's character, motivations, and how his approach to science and enlightenment differed from that of Byrgenwerth.
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Part two? Yes 🙃
#5 is most important ✅️
yes please
12:54 Connoisseur! @SinclairLore
yes! @@IrvingIV
As a tall pale person who frequently moans and screams, pthumerians are so relatable.
Hi! not tall&pale here, but I never realized just how relatable Pthumerians are until now. That’s amazing.
What Sophie says about Laurence and Willem being fundamentally incapable of understanding that it's not only a biological relationship between a parent and a child that makes ascension into a great one possible, but also an emotional bond, is a very beautiful way to put it, and also accurate. Our character takes in the knowledge from three cords, which show the biological part, but then we also have the Doll, who gives our character the emotional part of the relationship. Those put together leads to our character ascending. Laurence and Willem had the tools to succeed, but they only saw children as a bunch of genes. Rom becomes vacuous, just a husk, because there's no "love" there, only the genetical makings of a Great One.
Mergo seems to be a successful Great One, as it has the right DNA and a loving mother. It would have been interesting to see what happens to Ariana's child, as it seems unlikely that Ariana could show it love. I'm probably overthinking this, it probably doesn't go that deep, but I really like the concept.
I don't Willum and Lawrence were wrong in their thinking but rather they lacked an understanding that is granted to us by witnessing their shortcomings. We look at their failures and go "oh, I can see the shape of the thing that is missing!" Willum is right in the process needs to be just right and they will need to advance themselves mentally to even stand a chance at figuring it out. Lawrence is right that there is no way to figure it out without a lot of trail and error. Where they and the institutions they founded went wrong was to approach it in a ironically bloodless way. There was no heart behind it. Just clinical detachment. That they would need the willing help of the entities that already operate on that plane of existence was beyond them. They thought they could force the issue if they just followed the right steps. Instead you need those greater beings to take an interest in you for some reason and help guide you into that final transition. And forming a parental bond is one such way. Probably not the only one but it highlights that there needs to be a healthy amount of give and take instead of one side giving all while the other just takes.
I call upon Flora of the moon to make this video get tons of likes!
1:39:10 This is the most brilliant revelation I think Sin has ever had.
I always liked the idea that Brador's Cleric Beast was Lawrence, but I also thought Lawrence was the Bloodletting Beast.
But since the Beast version of Lawrence we encounter in the nightmare changed to a version with antlers, it makes perfect sense that the scalp that Brador is wearing would change to match it. Because its the same scalp.
That also means that there are three different versions of Lawrence's head in the Hunter's Nightmare simultaneously, and I like that because it's funny.
EDIT: The reason I think Brador killed Beast!Lawrence (or at least took off his head, the worm is still keeping the rest of the body alive) is that it's mentioned that the Cleric Beast Brador is wearing was Brador's friend.
Brador is wearing the same Foreign Garb that the player wears at the start. And in the cut content for Bloodborne, the player character had a friend named Lawrence. From likes to reuse their old ideas even after they cut them.
At ~~13 minutes the word Sin is almost certainly looking for is connoisseur
Yes!!!
I was thinking aficionado
Iwas thinking Prospector as Pthumeria is under groundf , requiring prospectors to conduct assays of the ancient soil of Yharnam/ Pthumaru catacombs (also there is a Prospector costume set in the game)
Enthusiast is what came to mind for me
"the moral of the story... it's firstly always be yourself" absolutely sent meee 😂
Lol
1. commenting for the algorythm
2. i had a vision. for all the newcomers, I think that you should do a video much like the bloodborne iceberg explained but instead it's the snack covenant explained with all the inside jokes explained like dignity city and the slug that cannot tell a lie you know so that nobody feels left out. I might be a little wasted right now but I still feel that this could be a great idea.
Love you both 😘
What really sets FROM apart other RPG-ish games with as-elaborate worldbuilding is they mapped everything out (NPC motivations, faction history and interactions, the physics of the metaphysics and so on,) and then thought "hey, if we leave all this nonsense off-screen instead of having two hours of cutscenes and celebrity NPC Patrick Stewart lecture it to you at the start of the game it'll be better".
“Always believe in yourself, but not quite as much as this guy did” -Sophie 1:18:32 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Words to live by!
haven't watched for a long time, its wild how much different sophie's voice is!! as a trans girl myself its really inspirational
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I only stumbled across this podcast after Elden Ring. Naturally, i enjoy the Sophie/Sin dynamic and the infectious inside/recurring jokes. For what it's worth (which might be nothing), being a cis-het guy myself, i find Sophie's voice simply entrancing. 😍 I could listen to her speak forever.
Never missing a chance to take a jab at Alfred LMAO I love it!
sin they are clearly sending you four chopsticks so you can eat with both of your hands
Lmao
Will always watch more Sinclair Lore bloodborne content
So excited for more bloodborne lore. Recently discovered you two after Tarnished Archeologist plugged Sophie’s old shame vids. I’ve pretty much gone through all your bb videos since and have to say amazing work!
i still love going to bloodborne school even after all these years
Also, very beautiful conclusion at the end. Motherhood is the key of all keys in this story. Miyazaki told us that Great Ones not being able to retain childs is an analogy of current socieconomy where, the more busy you are with responsabilities and stuff (labour basically), the less capable of having a family you become. The Great Ones became so important and ascended that they sacrificed their hability to mantain their children. And they want it more than anything. Being able to fix that is what ends the Hunter's Nightmare and what makes you destroy the Moon Pressence (the cords for the insight + the blood echoes for the Moon Pressence + the bound with the Doll).
The way Sophie said that they (Lawrence and Wllem) viewed as something to quantify and use other than understanding the relationship mother and child was profound. Also, something about Queen Annalise's mask speaks volumes like her face is somehow a threat. It's almost as if Lawrence/Logarious cruelly put the mask on her as sort of like. "Well, if we can't kill you, then we will blind you." or something to that effect. She was someone to control and keep close watch on...
Always love new Sinclair Lore, I usually don't comment but I want youtube to show you girls more love! Thank you so much for all your content!
Long form content from y'all thank uuuu 🙏
Cant wait for part 2, which of course will come after Laurence the worst vicar project phantasm staring the slug who cannot tell a lie.
Still the best souls/reborn channel out there. Thank you for years of excellent content 🩷
There are a few better ones
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@@thebrickinthewall9838there is no better Reborn channel.
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@@thebrickinthewall9838 wait does VaatiVidya do Reborn content?
42:10 Sophie switching into the deep Cornish farmer voice had me on the floor lmfaooo
So excited for part two 💚💜 I think the word I’m looking for is comprehensive? This video is so comprehensive, it’s everything I’ve ever known and ever needed to know about Laurence all in one, AND THERES STILL MORE TO COME In so excited
I mean, I know how I achieved what Laurence and Willem never could. I looked up a guide online. If only Laurence and Willem had thought of that...
Lol
You know after the elden ring side of blood lore I actually love the Laurence being constantly on fire in the nightmare so much, it feels so ironic almost like oedon/kos were like :" oh yeah you want enlighment? To be the very best cleric there's ever been? Yeah yeah get the best bloodflame I can give you except your body can't handle it lmao" stop stealing kids peace out ✌🏻👽
I always thought it was somehow connected to the burning of Old Yharnam, like a symbolic punishment
@@xviii5780 oh wow that is also a really cool way of seeing it! I had it connected to the fire blood magic that the ptumerians can do since what he also did in cainhurst, that's why I thought that connection with elden ring afterwards, and also the fact that he transforms in the chalices just before queen yharnam and gets infested with that parasite that uses his body as a puppet is very karma to me, for all the things he did to unwilling patients. Yea both of Laurences forms we see feel like a very strong symbolic punishment, that's a great way of putting it 👌🏻
1:00:17 "common Laurence W" really got me
Good ol' Larry. You can always count on him to screw something up and make it hilarious, in an existentially terrifying way.
i definitely agree with sophie that the cainhurst-executioner conflict was probably originally much more important, particularly because of the very half-baked "covenant" system that can make co op partners hostile if theyre using the opposing group's rune. having that whole system tied to a purely optional questline is a little strange if it wasnt originally much more important
I want Bloodborne 2 solely to see The Little Slug That Cannot Tell A Lie™️ can appear in it.
Its always a good time when Sin and Sophie show up on the video list
The Micolash/"Kosmo" Kramer reference.....it's perfect.
I love your long videos so much!! The short ones are great for my commute, but I love really getting into a deep lore hole with y’all’s analysis. Plus your rapport and humor really cheers me up!
These videos are the best lore analysis there is imo. As an experienced bloodborne, idk how I would quench my thirst for more bloodborne if not for you guys
Great video. Would love to see one in the future where you specifically cover older “realms” such as Loran and your theories on how these ancient settings might have evidence of their own instances of raising up humans into great ones
The editing in this video!! 🤯
This made my day, i really gotta pay attention to your channel/discord announcements more!!
I’m not sure why either, but listening to you guys talk about bloodborne literally never gets old. Please part 2
I just played the game for the first time last week and it was amazing. even better to find out that you guys have done lore videos on it and just made this one recently! you guys are hilarious
Thanks, I always enjoy your content, its a perfect balance of fun and actual information. Sophie truly is a Bloodborne historian and Sin is truly a great mediator. Still baffled you guys dont get more coverage, but as it goes with true knowledge - you have to seek it proactively yourself, it wont get fed to you. KEEEP UPP!
My favorite part of Bloodborne was the sad montage of Laurence's life as Coldplay's 'The Scientist' played in the background.
The best place to discuss and learn about Bloodborne^_^
I love your channel! The way you decipher the enigma of each game…. Your Insight is the guiding flame, by which I am emboldened! Thank you
Those remake videos of older episodes are great! They really show how much you two have grown as content creators. So informative and fun to listen to. Keep it up!
I think the name/ occupation title that she was trying to think of, When she says: *"Entrepreneur"* Is the: *"PROSPECTOR'S".*
Lovely lore ♥♥♥
Keep making these forever!
great vid sin and sophie :)
Watching this channel has made me much better at understanding lore. I played through the first kingdom hearts again and I was able to half follow it
Hopefully this gains the traction it deserves
👏👏👏 as always, you’ve both done a fantastic job on this one
o algorithm, or some say AI, grant us views... GRANT US VIEWS
like you did for the vacuous vidya
Been replaying Bloodborne recently! Still so good :)
so comprehensive, so engaging, so inspiring. thank you for the work you do
This is my favorite episode so far. Laurence is in my opinion the most fascinating character in bloodborne.
We will do part 2 soon!
Fantastic episode! I didn't think about how "fear" became "seek", and it's amazing to hear how excited you get about the game still :)
Love Sophie's summary of what we do in the end
While i don't watch regularly, is it me or do both their voices sounds softer and softer ? It's cute...
I love that the Snack Covenant still exist after so much time
if i had a nickle for every sinclair lore bloodborne series that explains the whole story, i'd have two nickles, which is not much but it's weird tha-
*gunshots*
Please I need a part 2 this Video is so good im watching it for a second time right now
so thrilled for this video!
Seriously really enjoyed this video, and i look forward to part two (even though iv already seen the unedited version on patrion 🤭)
This is some deep lore !
Nowadays I barely have the time to listen to podcasts, but I try sometimes and you're always my first pick!
I like these long ones 🤪 Would love a part 2
Great video❤
Re: Vicar
In Catholicism the Pope is also referred to as the Vicar of Christ, so there’s that too
I lost it at the snail voice! 🐌
😂😂😂
Genuinely kicked my feet in excitement when I saw this on my homepage!!!
This video is teeming and glistening with big moon energy 🌕🌕🌕
"Laurence must have been cute or something" HELP MEEE
Listening to (and spending too much time swiveling my head to watch, despite the risk this puts on my _Nioh 2_ character, darn you clever edits) this amazing podcast, I am reminded of how right Sophie is when she talks about how much better her present-day content is. Great work, both of you! (And hey, if Maria can get a new wardrobe in the Nightmare, why not Brador? I bet he always thought he'd look spiffy in horns!)
"It's like the catholic church ... but also the Umbrella Corporation."
I think my favorite meme from the snack covenant is
"Thank you, Sophie."
"Thank you, [Sen]."
Lol
Always in the mood for more bloodborne lore 🦑
I’m Rewatching this cause I just love putting your videos on at work but am I tripping I could’ve sworn part 2 was out ??
Commenting for algorithm fuel! Yall are the best, keep on keeping on!
The interlude has left me reborn
very glad I found your channel! great stuff
SNACK covenant? this is a full entrée of lore
I don't think Laurence came into the city proclaiming he had the old blood or the blood of the ancestors or something like that, I think his approach is much more seemingly religious then and that is why he sets up the "healing church" and not "the hospital" or "the healing house" or something. He comes offering this miraculous healing blood to the people that can cure most ailments and imbue the imbiber with renewed vigor and strength, and dresses his institution, at least to the common people, as a religious one instead of a specifically scientifical one.
Considering how religiously fanatical some people in the church are, like Adella, and how they use all this imagery, holy shawls, inscriptions, the prayers and litanies, the worshipping of Laurence's skull, the very existance of the executioners, etc it seems along the way they lost themselves into their own cover story. Even Amelia, supposedly the current leader of the church is seen praying.
cochlea means snail. The structure of the ear is itself very mollusk like in shape.
when emperor Diocletian divided the Roman empire between East and West, he created a huge administrative apparatus within the provinces to make governance more efficient. he divided the provinces into smaller districts called Diocese. Later when emperor Constantine championed Christianity within the empire, he created a system where each Diocese was given a bishop for clerical administration, and a vicar for political matters. so vicar refers to something like a mayor or governor.
When did Old Yharam become old? How is old Yharnam still smoldering? How long did it take for the fire to build to a peak then fizzle to into smoldering coals?
On the 'healing' aspect of the Healing Church you mention, we do know that Gilbert was treated but it didn't cure him fully, and them obviously turned him into a beast eventually.
It feels weird to refer to the brutal killing the Hunter does as "healing", but when you look at the end of orphan of kos, returning Ludwig to his former glory, beating maria and relieving the doll's memories, freeing Gehrman, and killing the embodiment of Laurences sin, a lot of what we do is acts of mercy, undoing past mistakes and putting anguished souls to rest. By the end, we have presumably restored balance to the Great Ones by putting a stop to the church's meddling.
"the Living Failures are sort of as far as it got."
Is that true? I always assumed the Celestial Emissaries were a more evolved/successful version of the Living Failures and a result of the Choir's improved methods over time!
I feeeeeeeel like I'm part of the cult but I did not understand the pepsi man dancing in 80s space.
1:28:40 the knowledge that he killed Maria
You are awesome
Aww, thanks Sin! You two are even more awesome!
YOUR MOM. Also have a great day Ladies and thanks for the Lore. I will store it in the Lore folder in my brain.
I always thought the clerics got bigger transformations just because they took in a lot more blood, but repressing it makes sense considering how sudden the people-to-beast transformations always are
That final 60 seconds broke me 😂
very enjoyable video, i always like it when the mysterious laurence is discussed
Thanks!
Convinced Ingrid knows when shes on camera
great content as always, hope for more :)
Love you guys, here's one for the algorithm xx
Oh, my Gods, I love it.
Chug the old blood!
"no" "Thank you Soph-" "OH WAIT"
I recommend you all look up The Spirit Guarded Cave tale. Blew my freaking mind. The elements of the story definitely influenced BB and Artorias of the Abyss DLC. Essentially some civilization in between numerous warring factions decided to flee ( they thought running and eventually becoming slaves was better than dying ), but before doing so an Elder rose among them and made an important suggestion. Take all their sacred relics somewhere hidden and bury them.
The others agreed with this Wiseman's idea and begun the trek to find the perfect place. Eventually they traveled until the spirits around them began to guide them. This was in a magical forest that surrounded Mt Mureau ( I think that's the spelling ). They found a cave which was located in that very sacred mountain. They buried it all and eventually over time the generations to follow that descended from this tribe forgot why they settled around the mountain.
Fast forward years later. Words of the tale spread like the plague and many greedy souls, opportunistic thieves and treacherous treasure hunters began to reach this place.
The residents clearly took offense and begun to defend themselves.
This where some other old legend is intertwined- The Slumbering Hero/Mountain King.
Legend has it when these crimes were committed the spirits of the respected dead rose to aid their descendants.
Now ain't that sounding familiar? Sounding a lot like Manus/Oolacile and Loran with it's subterranean living spaces which are directly inside the mountain.
Manus an Elder had his grave pillaged and became outraged.
His descendants would become slaves to Gwyn.
And ain't the environment that leads to Manus interesting? It's like we're spelunking an uncharted cave system.
Labyrinth Watchers too stand out. Remember the biblical watchers? They're mentioned a bit in that tale. Some scholars theorized these Watchers vowed to protect these Holy Relics.
Now ain't that wild? Manus and Pthumerians had to be inspired by this!
Hell the Hamlet Massacre reminds me of Limmenkäinen Temple being raided by the Vatican with a splash of Lovecraft's Shadows of Innsmouth.
As for Laurence. Suspiciously close to Loran. Which may have been named after Laurentium. Maybe just maybe Laurence was only so adamant on Blood Healing because It's quite possibly "in his blood" or he was raised by a witness or survivor who romanticized the scourge outbreak of Loran. Ragiling the Bastard of Loran about the Moon and the magnificent blood of the Gods
Oh one last observation! Been playing a lot lately to cope with the poor job market and to gear up for the Return to Yharnam ( if I live to see it, things are rough atm ). Back to the topic. Those statues in Old Yharnam have chains around them. The reason why is rooted in some old pagan beliefs.
The honored dead would have statues made in their images. The people did this with the belief that the spirits would inhabit these statues and one day roam again! Just like how you see caskets and coffins chained up throughout "New" Yharnam. Shame they didn't double down on that idea! Imagine some weeping angels in BB, that'd be nightmare fuel.
Little slug