I like to imagine that the Queen cheated and put the key under the table, and not in the tray, which is why you only find it after knocking over the tables.
I personally think it's a meta-commentary from Toby. No one likes RNG based key-finding tbh. And as the game dev it'd mean he has to playtest and pray to the rng gods a little himself while doing it to see how bad it may be on the player. And as someone who's definitely played games himself, yeah nah, screw that. I like to see it as Toby literally saying "Yeah, I thought about it, almost did it, was a stupid idea, lemme save you"
yes, game development testing with RNG based things are annoying, normally you'd just test something for a a minute or less, and for RNG based things, its a nightmare just to find bugs and glitches players can do
Yeah, I think people forget that just because something has a one in two chance of happening doesn't mean it will happen every second time. I mean, the two keys in Vermillion city Gym in pokemon isn't actually that big odds - only one in 9, but that is infamous and can take literally minutes. There always needs to be "cheat" programed in which just fudges the dice roll to give the player what they're looking for after a while or it becomes seriously annoying (for the record, splooshkaboom in windwaker, despite being infamous in the speedrunner community passes in my opinion, because it's not actually RNG -- there IS a solution in every game, you just have to guess it correctly which means that in every game your actions only determine the outcome. In Vermillon Gym, the second key is only generated after you find the first one)
fun fact: the annoying dog is toby fox (the guy who made undertale and deltarune)'s avatar in the worlds, meaning this random dog is the literal god of the new world
You can't actually do it, sure you can still do like 10 damage at 9% health but as soon as he gets to 6% health there's a dialog that says something along the lines of "Spamton decided to heal with the pipis" so you'll be stuck at 6% health forever with no way to get it down, unless you cheat that is...
@@MercurySteel He meant by editing in the items. But yeah, no getting past the door. Room editing is a thing, but that's just gonna lead to fighting Spamton twice
I think if it were possible to find the key by luck, people wouldn't realize that there was a shortcut, and they would think you actually just had to search 60 tables, and then get pissed and call it a badly designed game. I saw something similar happen with Super Paper Mario.
Pretty sure we just found the meaning of life, the number 42 is probably a reference to hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. We can conclude from this that the true meaning of life in deltarune is to smash 42 tables with a table mounted dog.
There was this problem where nobody could find 3 cubes that sum to 42 until recently, if you look up "42 solved". Which means it's the 2 digit number that requires the largest cubes to find the answer to (well, if you exclude all the ones that are proven impossible anyway).
@@Solibrae that is actually related to a historical book, and if you go to page 142 it has massive lore implications or whatever. dont judge me I"ve binged watched like 30 deltarune theory videos, hell If I know which video it was originally from
I have an idea try to kill Spamton NEO on snowgrave route without asking for help. Unfortunately you can't kill them normally because if you try that they will heal immediately so you'll have to use some cheat to increase kris's attack.
@@omniscientomnipresent5500 they mean lowering his hp to 0 since he keeps recovering with pipis at 6%, not using snowgrave however i tried giving kris a really high amount of attack and kris will always do 10/8 damage when he increases his defense, even going overkill doesn't kill him since he recovers with pipis before he dies??
I actually done the exact same as you, Literally been wasting 15 min just trying to do the table and then noticed the odd 1 forcing me to drive. I was dying of laughter due i didn't expect that at all xD
No. You don't even need high damage. I tried this for my snowgrave run and it didn't work. I got them all to 20% hp (a single ralsei hit would take about 40-50%). Then, I attacked each of them in the same turn: ...they just healed with milk, except all at the same time.
Idk if this’ll work but find the dog and make a snapshot before touching it than revert to the snapshot after using him to find the key and go to that exact plate and click it
I was looking for this key doing the same thing: checking the same 3 places. I was really hoping that you could find it this way but after 10 minutes of trying I lost my hope :p
Yeah some guy ran a script for 8 hours to check the same tables Over and over because of course if it was possible it was bound to end up there eventually
@@leedlelel2373I can fix that, so lets say you found the key by chance, then annoying dog comes rushing with a table on his head and destroys the key and the party falls ontop of the dog, now it just breaks down the door and the rest is history
aaaaand what if you destroy 41 tables, pause the game (by hacking, of course), go into normal mode and then get the key? The variable of tables broken should be intact, right?
I have a new question. When you try throwing away Lancer and Roulx from your inventory in the Overworld it won't let you, so what if you hacked your inventory to remove them. Would they still appear in your Key Items in the Dark World?
Well, now I'm at a lost. I dropped Rouxls (or whatever his name is) in real world and it did work, but game did not react to that! I think I JusT got lucky to do it first try on second run
Once you snowgrave berdly, you are locked into the route. Your last chance to abort is by sparing berdly, so continuing on a “normal route” afterwards is imposssible.
@@Naut7 yeah i know, what i meant is, when you snowgrave berdly, you have to go on a new path at the north, the right path (where you normally go) is blocked by him (sorry if my english is bad, i'm from baguette country)
no, as it doesnt count the ones you check, just the ones you knock down when riding the table with toby, and the key isnt an item that goes in your inventory, meaning there's no way to get it without using a mod manager or something to trigger the sequence where toby knocks the door down after getting the key.
Can you try to fuse the thorn ring with the pureCrystal to create the TwistedSwd? I haven't seen anyone try it! Then again i have also never seen a pure crystal. It's most likely for later chapters!
@@user-sg4uk9qn7pdark crystals are special key items that you can only get by defeating secret bosses, the only secret bosses right now is jevil and spamton neo
what where to hapen if you dowload spamton onto the cd and then beat the game dose ay dilog change and is there anywhere in the serface that spamton could be downloaded into?
I like to imagine that the Queen cheated and put the key under the table, and not in the tray, which is why you only find it after knocking over the tables.
the platter doesnt open so that makes sense
youre a genie!
I really like this take
That makes perfect sense XD
Underta(b)le?
Coincidence? I think probably.
@@dracibatic2433 “he’s a genie in a bottle, baby!”🎶💃🎤
I spammed 3 tables next to each other thinking that I could maybe hit that 1 / 60 chance or something but, this proves me wrong
it's 1 / 20 chance
s a m e
same
Me too
Same
I literally was just looking for this now-
Well? You gonna keep talking or are you gonna keep us in suspense?
Now-
You literally were just looking for this then-
and then you found th-
same
I personally think it's a meta-commentary from Toby.
No one likes RNG based key-finding tbh. And as the game dev it'd mean he has to playtest and pray to the rng gods a little himself while doing it to see how bad it may be on the player. And as someone who's definitely played games himself, yeah nah, screw that. I like to see it as Toby literally saying "Yeah, I thought about it, almost did it, was a stupid idea, lemme save you"
yes, game development testing with RNG based things are annoying, normally you'd just test something for a a minute or less, and for RNG based things, its a nightmare just to find bugs and glitches players can do
Yeah, I think people forget that just because something has a one in two chance of happening doesn't mean it will happen every second time. I mean, the two keys in Vermillion city Gym in pokemon isn't actually that big odds - only one in 9, but that is infamous and can take literally minutes. There always needs to be "cheat" programed in which just fudges the dice roll to give the player what they're looking for after a while or it becomes seriously annoying (for the record, splooshkaboom in windwaker, despite being infamous in the speedrunner community passes in my opinion, because it's not actually RNG -- there IS a solution in every game, you just have to guess it correctly which means that in every game your actions only determine the outcome. In Vermillon Gym, the second key is only generated after you find the first one)
@@Musikur and if you didn't find it... it resets
Theory: annoying dog placed the key at the last spot you opened so the dog is a wizard
fun fact: the annoying dog is toby fox (the guy who made undertale and deltarune)'s avatar in the worlds, meaning this random dog is the literal god of the new world
The dog is JUST a wizard?
I opened the same metal plate thing like 9 times, untrue
You're a wizard, Toby
He's not a wizard, he's littelty a God lol.
Queen, that’s cheating you actually need to mix the key in, not have a dog magically make it.
Lmao
42. The answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Underrated bruh
Idea: killing spamton neo without calling for help on snowgrave
it's impossible, you only do 10 damage, and if you get him low he heals
You can't actually do it, sure you can still do like 10 damage at 9% health but as soon as he gets to 6% health there's a dialog that says something along the lines of "Spamton decided to heal with the pipis" so you'll be stuck at 6% health forever with no way to get it down, unless you cheat that is...
@@Lurnylurn exactly, cheat like you did by removing annoying dog
You can't
i hacked and tried
He will reheal him self
Maybe the real key was the friends we made along the way.
I’ve heard of that like 1 million times but pretty true
they just want us to ride the table XD
At the current moment I send this reply, you have 111 likes
What happens if you give yourself the loded disk and the key-gen, then do a weird run but facing spambot in the basement?
Can’t, he locks the basement in the weird route
You can't do both of them at the same time. You have to spare Berdly to buy the key.
If you do a snowgrave run then the basement door will be locked. You can talk to Spamton by interecting with the door.
@@MercurySteel He meant by editing in the items. But yeah, no getting past the door. Room editing is a thing, but that's just gonna lead to fighting Spamton twice
@@DarkLink1996.
Oh! you are right. I forgot this guy can edit the game files. That's the only way to do it.
I always thought the key spawned when you knocked down enough tables.
I think if it were possible to find the key by luck, people wouldn't realize that there was a shortcut, and they would think you actually just had to search 60 tables, and then get pissed and call it a badly designed game. I saw something similar happen with Super Paper Mario.
Are you talking about the section in super paper mario where you have to slave off your debt by opening her vault?
@@jordanburkert6208 yep. I saw a review where someone was like "there's a part where you have to run on a treadmill for an hour, wtf devs"
There is a shortcut, but there's still the super long code
@@tailpig6417 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Also, pen and paper? Note app? text document?
Pretty sure we just found the meaning of life, the number 42 is probably a reference to hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. We can conclude from this that the true meaning of life in deltarune is to smash 42 tables with a table mounted dog.
That's my favourite number actually
There was this problem where nobody could find 3 cubes that sum to 42 until recently, if you look up "42 solved". Which means it's the 2 digit number that requires the largest cubes to find the answer to (well, if you exclude all the ones that are proven impossible anyway).
Aha, so that's why the key always seems to be in a different place. Thanks for figuring this out and making this video!
I really hope it was intentional that *42* tables are broken before you can find the key
Well, the page Berdly reads at the beginning is 142.
@@Solibrae that is actually related to a historical book, and if you go to page 142 it has massive lore implications or whatever.
dont judge me I"ve binged watched like 30 deltarune theory videos, hell If I know which video it was originally from
@@vulblhotdiessfi Yes, The Tale of Two Cities. I think I've seen the same video.
@@Solibrae let's gooo you have
ask siri the meaning of life
spoiler:
it's 42
imagine how long does it take for toby to add every cutscene/routes whenever player do something opposite of the storyline.
There's a video on the internet, called "They didn't belive me, so I spent eight hours looking for a key", but I don't know if it's real
Strangely my friend claimed he found the key without the dog breaking it down. Not sure if it was legit or not
He's either trippin' or he's lying. Sounds like something I'd hear at the playground if I were still in elementary school
He's lying
Key doesn't spawn until the dog table knocks down a bunch of tables.
@@Trikovioz Very likely a lie, though I think Tem tweeted about finding the key in a table. But probably an edited image.
It's true, my uncle works at Nintendo and he said the same thing /s
I have an idea try to kill Spamton NEO on snowgrave route without asking for help.
Unfortunately you can't kill them normally because if you try that they will heal immediately so you'll have to use some cheat to increase kris's attack.
It doesn't work, there's a video of someone using snowgrave on him.
@@omniscientomnipresent5500 they mean lowering his hp to 0 since he keeps recovering with pipis at 6%, not using snowgrave
however i tried giving kris a really high amount of attack and kris will always do 10/8 damage when he increases his defense, even going overkill doesn't kill him since he recovers with pipis before he dies??
Staksi someone said it’s impossible because even at 0hp he never dies
Him*
a scene where you find the key but the dog still comes destroy the key and blast the door would be [Hyperlink Blocked]
uses math to prove his case, what a chad
glad we're in the timeline where using math is apparently a chad move LOL
So we need to use the OP doge... Interesting
man, here i was trying multiple times to avoid getting the key because i wanted to knock all the tables down.
I actually done the exact same as you, Literally been wasting 15 min just trying to do the table and then noticed the odd 1 forcing me to drive.
I was dying of laughter due i didn't expect that at all xD
Is posible kill the comedy trío (Sweet, cap y kk) with very high damage?
No. You don't even need high damage. I tried this for my snowgrave run and it didn't work.
I got them all to 20% hp (a single ralsei hit would take about 40-50%). Then, I attacked each of them in the same turn:
...they just healed with milk, except all at the same time.
Even when you modify your damage it is impossible to bring them to less than 1 hp and they all heal afterwards. There is a video on it.
The Pandora Palace and Spamton theme layering on each other is kinda distracting
Man,someone looks like spamton
I was actually curious about this when I reached this part
i literally wondered about this after playing chapter 2 on my switch
Chapter 2 out on switch!?
@@IStoleAllYourCookies Yeah
@@IStoleAllYourCookies yeah
@@IStoleAllYourCookies yes it's been out since yesterday's Nintendo direct
I saw one video that was completely unedited of somebody trying to find the key for 8 hours straight
Suffice to say _they never found it_
That is actually this dude. People didn't belive him so he made a script that was trying to find the key for 8 hours and failed.
@@irrelevantinformation7852 oh _wow_
I didn't know that it was this person-
What happens if you do Snowgrave but clip past the cones at the split in the path and go down the normal path and vice versa? I really want to know
Pretty sure that the loading zones are turned off
@@lgro00 someone was able to go down the normal route on snowgrave
@@TheFuriousNightFury oh, that's cool then, I'll check it out. Thanks for letting me know!
Thank you for covering these weird little what-ifs!
Pretty sure the key is under the platform that the platters are on
Idk if this’ll work but
find the dog and make a snapshot before touching it
than revert to the snapshot after using him to find the key and go to that exact plate and click it
I was looking for this key doing the same thing: checking the same 3 places. I was really hoping that you could find it this way but after 10 minutes of trying I lost my hope :p
0:43 cool it synced with the music
Something that i was thinking about, in the acid lake part you can turn all the little houses blue, does anything happen if you avoid all of them?
They turn blue no matter what when you pass next to them.
@@zack-ronald259 if you dont get close to them they don't turn blue
i tried it, sadly, nothing happens
@@taffymatt1366 thats a shame..
Yeah some guy ran a script for 8 hours to check the same tables Over and over because of course if it was possible it was bound to end up there eventually
The dog has the key, you just needed to throw him on tables enough on him
That's how I see it
Kind of disappointing. Having an incredibly low chance to actually find the key seems like such a Toby Fox thing to do, and a real missed opportunity
But then you wouldnt be able to break through the hallway (and would also miss the amazing toby dog moment)
@@leedlelel2373 Yeah but it would be pretty unlikely for anyone unless they kept trying.
@@leedlelel2373I can fix that, so lets say you found the key by chance, then annoying dog comes rushing with a table on his head and destroys the key and the party falls ontop of the dog, now it just breaks down the door and the rest is history
The fact is: You cant find the key even if you try forever, because the game remove the key, you can just find it with the dog and the key appear
lmao i also wanted to know this. its very interesting how you went about to prove this.
what if you get rid of the riding phase after they ride it?
I wonder if your not even able to hack the key into a certain place and open that one to see if the game would just break
aaaaand what if you destroy 41 tables, pause the game (by hacking, of course), go into normal mode and then get the key? The variable of tables broken should be intact, right?
I remember seeing an image on Twitter of someone finding the key without the dog
Most likely clickbait
It's impossible to do that
Toby is too powerful
Neat, good to know!
…what if you remove the limit for the amount of tables needed to be opened?
The key was RIGHT NEXT to the annoying dog when I found the dog. Im pissed af
why not remove the lids to see if it's under one of them?
I had the key appear around the area I was about to check, I was so mad.
someone went 9 hours to test that
Idea: after knocking down 40 tables glich your self off the table
Everyone: **actually watching**
Me: Be a [Big Shot]!
Queen is C H E A T E R of this puzzle
Suggestion:
Try making it so queen wont re roll, but it might crash the game. Still, maybe try it.
Okay but what happens if you knock over all the trays?
I have a new question. When you try throwing away Lancer and Roulx from your inventory in the Overworld it won't let you, so what if you hacked your inventory to remove them. Would they still appear in your Key Items in the Dark World?
Well, now I'm at a lost. I dropped Rouxls (or whatever his name is) in real world and it did work, but game did not react to that! I think I JusT got lucky to do it first try on second run
@@SpookerK try to drop ball of junk. It will work a little
@@deniktfa The ball of junk is your dark world inventory. The "Cards" item is both the Jack of Spades and the Rules Card when you examine it.
@@SpookerK WHAT?! All the time I thought that ball of junk is Rouxls. Funk this
How do you ride the table
What happens if you go past berdlys frozen body in snowgrave, can you continue?
I saw an 8 hour video of someone trying this
Safe to say they died
What about what happens if you perfect the queen in punch out
What happens if you start a Chapter 2 Playtrough without Chapter 1 data?
It goes normal except the thrash machine on acid pool is random
0:37 last time not found the key
0:41 found key at same place
ME: E
I have the theory that in reality there is no way to find the key, you can only find the dog, at the end of all he will break it when you find it
I swear I found the key without riding on the table, I didnt even know you could ride on the table, either I'm tripping balls or I'm extremely lucky
I dont believe it
someone on twitter found it by chance without the dog. i just don't know if it's really or not
Link to the tweet?
Cap
What if you code them all have the key?
What if you change the sprites of the tables so it can be transparent? *Sorry for my poor english xD*
What if you hack the key into appearing? Does it try to play the cutscene anyways?
Wont work, you have to interact with the dog
I tried to find the key in the same spot when they crushed it but no.
i saw a guy who was looking for a key for 8 hours
what if you got
spamtons broken gear and gave it to the blacksmith in castle town
It's not broken
Pov: the key actually under the table
So basically, the game is programmed to not actually spawn a key until you knock over enough tables with the dog.
Plot twist: the key is under the table
what happen if you remove berdly after snowgraving him, and continue on the normal path
Once you snowgrave berdly, you are locked into the route. Your last chance to abort is by sparing berdly, so continuing on a “normal route” afterwards is imposssible.
@@Naut7 yeah i know, what i meant is, when you snowgrave berdly, you have to go on a new path at the north, the right path (where you normally go) is blocked by him
(sorry if my english is bad, i'm from baguette country)
@@peperoni06460"baguette country" 💀
What if remove trays?
I wonder if there’s a way to hack the game to put a key in the first spot you look.
no, as it doesnt count the ones you check, just the ones you knock down when riding the table with toby, and the key isnt an item that goes in your inventory, meaning there's no way to get it without using a mod manager or something to trigger the sequence where toby knocks the door down after getting the key.
Guess what? Somome did it, for *8 hours staright* and found the key at the same place
problem solved! toby makes the key!
Of course, you just have to find the dog ;)
What if you knock down 39-41 tables and hack the game to search from there?
Still no key, Toby made it so that you HAVE to interact with the annoying dog (which is Toby Fox in-game character)
Can you try to fuse the thorn ring with the pureCrystal to create the TwistedSwd?
I haven't seen anyone try it!
Then again i have also never seen a pure crystal.
It's most likely for later chapters!
The pure crystal is unused
@@piplover6234 damn
@@piplover6234 It isn't unused.
Data-miners have found that it can only obtained when 7 dark crystals are fused together.
@@zack-ronald259 You Mean Shadow Crystals? Or Is There Another Item Called Dark Crystals???
@@user-sg4uk9qn7pdark crystals are special key items that you can only get by defeating secret bosses, the only secret bosses right now is jevil and spamton neo
0:44
[BOOM]
what where to hapen if you dowload spamton onto the cd and then beat the game dose ay dilog change and is there anywhere in the serface that spamton could be downloaded into?
are you having a stroke on your keyboard
@@sh1ftyy bruh shut
all your items in the light world turn into a ball of junk except eggs and cards
@@EpsilonLovesSharks darn
@@crowcoregames1785 And if you toss the ball of junk you loose all your darkworld inventory (outside key items )
that took me 1 hour to find the key without giving up
but tahk for da ti p
What a mean trick!
WAIT WHY'S THAT THE MUSIC
Music name, pls!
Wow so the answer to everything really is 42
Yes, the dog helps you
is that tobys dog under the table?
Undertale: what If u do a genocide run but before u fight sans, u kill secret boss So Sorry?
This impossible find the key in the normal form... right?
CAN YOU HACK AND BEAT CHAPTER 2 WITH SNOWGRAVE NOELLE ONLY?
Can you spare Giga Queen?
_Background music?_
Ost name is"Spamton"