It was OK.., but if anyone knows the lore of Dune, they will cry quietly that a much more interesting storyline was not chosen for the screen adaptation.
The fact that they skipped over the vorian atredies stuff was totally fine. Maybe we get flashbacks in s2. If you're talking about the god emporer red hearing. That was never actually happening in this show.
@@silver4831 To be fair even the original author's books became incredibly mixed in terms of reception/tone after the original book. I enjoyed the first four books, and intend to read the last book or two eventually myself, but past the first book the story basically goes off in a very strange direction. An interesting strange direction, but not one that really is well adapted to the big screen or shows. So I wasn't expecting much from this regardless.
I feel like princess Inez was the worst part of the show. Her acting was terrible. Her fight choreography was laughable. The character barely served any purpose.
The fight choreography in general was laughable. There's a shot in the final combat scene where a guy kicks the Swordmaster to the ground, then in the next shot is suddenly on his ass struggling to get up. How the fuck did they think that editing was acceptable?
36:11 I’m shocked no one mentioned the “club” when they were planting the bombs all over the low 7 foot ceiling and Desmond’s guys come in search and overturn the place and awkwardly miss them just sitting on the ceiling clearly blinking green in every room 😂
Yeah that was pretty stupid. But it's the same in literally every single movie and series, bombs just blinking red or green while trying to be secret. I understand it's for the audience to know what's going on but it comes off as they consider us too stupid to get it without the blinking lights. 🙄
You clearly missed that whole scene. Two guys went upstairs (or downstairs, I can’t remember) where the bombs were planted and Atreides kills them the moment THEY DO see the bombs. Nowhere else in the building contained bombs. I thought this was obvious but I guess not
The older actors are holding the show together, while the younger ones are clearly green (namely the Acolytes). Salusa Secondus is essentially a Balanciaga gala populated with Derek Zoolanders.
All of the Desmond explanations fail to mention why the hell he could resist the Voice. Valya herself wasn’t even resistant to it. Unless Desmond himself is entirely AI, there’s no way he should be immune
I'm still convinced that this whole story is the origin of the Kwisatz Haderach plan. Hart was exposed to the pure spice in the belly of the worm this gained a fuck ton of prescience abilities. I think by the end the sisterhood will use what happened to Hart as a guide for building their own super being. Problem is that they think they'll be able to control such a being which in the end they never could
The problem i have with this series is i dont care. I don't care what happens in the story because i couldn't care any less for any of the characters. Desmond hart was somewhat interesting at beginning but then he was just meh again. They really failed to make care anything for any sisterhood characters or the princess.
Travis really is the best part of Dune: Prophecy. He's such a fantastic actor. Vikings really suffered when he left the show & he was also great as Tarzan in WB33's short-lived show about the famed King of The Jungle and as Lothar in the Warcraft movie.
Bro was tortured for atleast a day. And was super refreshed when he was released, so much so that he whooped the rest of the army ass lol. They said shut down the palace and they still easily escaped to the ships lmao
This felt like bad fan fiction, the political maneuvering was amateurish, sets lacked people/grandeur as these are houses that rule entire planets aswell as lacking councilors and retainers and general pomp a noble house would have. Zero world building in the sense didnt get much from which house held what power wise only a limited this is a weak house etc. No spacing guild, no Mentats which every house would have especially since there isnt any thinking computers. Sisterhood felt like teen high drama. Best bit about the show was Desmand but even the Reveal was obvious episodes ago. Hopefully season 2 corrects alot of this but doubtful would have time.
I think the school of Mentats hasn't had time to develop yet? "Set 10,000 years before the events of Dune, the series commences eighty years after the human military defeated the thinking machine armies of Omnius" "The origin of the first Mentat is later explored in the Legends of Dune (2002-2004) prequels written by Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert. During the Butlerian Jihad, thinking machine leader Omnius sees humans as animals, but the independent robot Erasmus argues that any human can become brilliant"
This season was very uneven and suffered a lot from the writers presenting the character actions as clever, when they're actually dumb. Young Valya's brilliant plan was to murder Mother Dorotea...and then murder almost everyone else and then hide the bodies in the middle of the convent?? What even is the point of winning a succession fight if you have to murder nearly everyone? How was that covered up? For the first 5 episodes, it was plausible when Valya had only killed Dorotea, but this was ridiculous--and the writers present it like a clever twist 😵💫
Yes! The sisterhood is completely flat in this series. Who was even left after Valyas killing spree? Weren't there supposed to be truthsayers at every house etc? They just went along with this massacre? Aren't they all supposed to be highest genius level to weave the so called "plans within plans" etc? It's just silly writing and Valya comes off as a basic bloodthirsty psychopath, not an evil mastermind. And let's not mention the facedancer faceplant lol.
@@IrenicusFTW I haven't see this tv show but I think maybe the Bene Geserit is in a very early development stage, 10,000 years before the events of Dune.
Stuffing all bodies into a lake in the middle of the "monastery" was dumb af, but I don't think it was Valya's plan. At least mother Dorothea wasn't preplanned for sure imo. She just reacted to a situation unfolding.
It isn't about winning the fight. She preserved the breeding programme by purging the sisterhood, and she'd do it again as many times as it takes. Dumping the bodies in the nearest convenient pool makes a lot of sense when you consider these four skinny young women had to do the cleanup. Bodies weigh a lot. I'm all for critique, but those aren't examples of poor writing on the show.
@vanyadolly I agree about what she did to keep mother Raquela's project but it would be extremely stupid to leave the bodies (evidence of mass murder) there to be eventually found. Dune universe has anti-gravity technology already and even if not they had enough time to get rid of the evidence some other way, don't you think? 🤔
The first 3 episodes were kinda boring but the season did finish strong. I'm definitely interested in it now and excited for season 2. Desmond Hart kinda carrying the show for me.
Thats exactly how I felt, at least the series finished strong. Pretty much most TV series start weak and end weak im glad we got something that turned out better over time
This show should fbe about the Fremen and the beauty of their culture, showcasing their depth, traditions, and resilience. It shouldn’t reduce them to mere fanatics or caricatures. That’s why I’m disappointed with Dune: Part 2, it feels like it misses the opportunity to truly explore the richness of the Fremen way of life. I don’t care about Dune Part 3
@@jakewheeler6014 Yes and no. I’m currently rereading the books, and it’s clear the Fremen didn’t wait for Paul to save them. They already had a plan for transforming the planet. It seems you might not have fully delved into the books, as they aren’t solely about religion. Paul himself is often astonished by the depth of the Fremen’s knowledge and wisdom. From a technological perspective, Paul even acknowledges that nothing in the known universe comes close to what the Fremen can Build. And without all the rules, the fremen would be weak, survivel would be inposible without the „water Disziplin“
I endured this show only because of Emily Watson. And as a book fan I can't take any of this seriously. HBO should have simplified the material but instead they invented new plot lines and turned everything into convoluted mess. And I specifically dislike the show visuals, it looks like Villeneuve movies and GoT mixed together. The show takes place approx 10k yrs into the future (from 21st century) and 10k yrs before the Dune movies. Less than a 100 yrs after the galactic Machine\AI war. The visuals should be completely different, it should be more sci-fi. Why choose this specific time period and make everything look like Villeneuve movies? They should have taken more creative liberties with visuals.. and not the plot!
I really wish they would’ve done a more interesting time period like the Butlerian Rebellion. This one’s kinda boring, but some interesting parts. Worth a watch if you’ve got nothing better to watch.
That might yet happen in the future is there is enough interest, I should think other spinoffs may explore the other houses in different time periods, as long as they don't contradict the movies
6/10 for me, I felt like Valya was built up to be this incredible strategist but the last episode kinda undid a lot of that for me IMO. Also I think the Tula and Desmond thing was pretty obvious. I remember watching the one sex scene (trying not to spoil here) and telling my dad "yeah this is gonna come back". Also the whole sisterhood rebellion was obvious and the way it started for me was so dumb, sister Jen literally fell for the most cliche "loosen my cuffs it hurts" move. Also I felt like the radicalization of the other sisters wasn't really developed I guess it technically it isn't since we don't know how the dominos are gonna fall, I felt pretty underwhelmed with this finale, but I see potential in the show, It just needs more time to set everything up and possibly better writers.
@@danny234555 ikr, I felt like the Lila stuff was a poorly thought-out way to start the sister rebellion even though they could have used Sister Avila. Literally Tula leaves, Avila could have done something considering what we learned she witnessed in the last episode
THIS! the dumbification of characters so the writers can push the drama. Dumb sister unleashing who she knows to be a dangerous conciousness bomb who's no longer her friend because "straps too tight uwu". The sisters being unified against Valya by vague populistic rethoric when they are literally taught to avoid the trappings of rethoric and emotion? "the sisterhood has lost its way!". Bitch wasn't the sisterhood founded for galactic domination? don't crap on valya. She's been doing great. you were weak and cowardly and closed of mind. Valya, valya, valya. You magnificent truthsayer, voice user, prana bindu master.... couldn't see that javiccos concubine was dick whipped and wasn't going to kill him?. A smart Valya would have sent the face dancer to kill Javicco using the face of their hindu sister. Because what the fuck was the point of having her morph into Ynez. And OnThat Point!!! why did she turn into a random dying soldier to gently prick Desmond? why did she stab him only once? why was she semi unconscious or weakened at all (i assume it is because breaking and repairing your bones ehile melting your flesh for the transformation is taxing. but never explained so impact is lost.) A smart sister would have remained as Ynez. Would have remained restrained. And now she had an in with the queen. pretending to be scorned after the atreides betrayed her. pretending "he escaped with that fucking witch and left me hanging. literally hanging. after everything I risked for him". Boom! a great spy in the inner circle instead of a dumb hostage for Desmond. Why? why? why is that authors keep dumbifying smart characters instead of just keeping them decent? why can't they think this stuff for more than one brainstorming session? why do they keep hiring dumb asses as writers?
Yeah good question, maybe they'll explain it in the next season...? My guess is it could have been planted memories to make him believe it's a supernatural ability given to him by Shaj Hulud.
Once, entire petabytes of data were erased because the drives got vibrated too hard whule crossing a parking lot in a cart. Breathe hard upon a quantum computer and you decohere it. The more complex the computer, the more fragile it becomes. With that being said, lila smashed the monitor, the interface
@@EyeXombieSurely the crowbar would bounce off a number of times until the screws can't take the stress & the cover pops off to reveal the innards of the machine
The fact it turned out as well as it did is incredible. The showrunner replaced, directors replaced, main characters replaced, scripts we-written This year was rough with the new Max producers. Its the reason they cut 2 episodes from HoTD which neurted that season aswell. Lets hope the producers get their heads put their sand worm buckets. And see what they got.
That was a nicely succinct way of putting it. The show did feel amateurish. Its as if Denis Villeneuve left some rejected set designs behind and some of his animation crew behind, and then they got some cosplayers to come in and do a prequel accompanied by these visual artists.
@@alphacause Yep, I wouldn't mind Brian Herbert based stuff but this just proves the naysayers right when they say those 20 prequel/sequel books are slop and this series obviously cant stand on its own with just the Sisterhood of Dune source material. And even with the Villenueve films to market it with and ride on top of this isn't as good as it could be
It wasn't as bad as i thought it would be, but it wasn't very good either. Desmond hart was just a pawn created by a woman probably, the emperor was simp, and 20 plus imperial guards cant take down a man a woman
Right! If they had told us up front that this show would be multiple seasons then we wouldn’t have expected the show to move forward faster, and the finale to wrap things up much more neatly.
It feels to me like they made a show about the bene gesserit initiates and the intrigue of the sisterhood, and then The Acolyte came out and they saw the publics reaction to lesbian space witches and someone at HBO went "Reshoot the series, add in more game of thrones and cut out most of the lesbian space witches"
Spoiler about the AI of the Bene Geserit, I found it weird how their previous leader reveals it and destroys it. I mean why didn't she destroy it when she was their leader? She knew about it. What evil did it do? She should thank it for reviving her. (to the future AI overlords: I am supporting you, spare me)
This is part of the problem with the way Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson changed what should have been an ideological war of religious fanaticism to "grr Terminator robots massacring humans." The Jihad as depicted by Frank Herbert was a religious movement, and there's plenty in his books implying it wasn't necessarily a good thing. It's not about what they're doing with the AI or what its doing on its own, it's about the fanatical mindset that says "this thing is an abomination and should not exist," which persists even 10,000 years later. The way the Jihad is depicted in the Dune Encyclopedia is far better - it says the whole thing was less a unified movement and more of a disorganized chaos, more like gangs of thugs going from planet to planet, sometimes even fighting each other. Unfortunately one of the first things BH/KJA did was disrespect the DE and its author in order to pretend their work was better.
I really like the series until this last episode. I'm in the minority but I enjoyed the characters, details, and adding lore and context to the new movies. That being said, this last episode was sooooo lacking. This series needed to be 10 episodes minimum. 6 episodes is criminally lacking for fleshing out all these arcs. The cliffhanger and what, another 2 year wait for 6 more episodes? Yikes.
Streaming services need to stop forcing series to be 8 episodes, almost every single new streaming service TV show I can think of always has an unsatisfying ending due to the limited episodes
This was like watching a long ass slide show.....the pacing was appalling! The writers are following the "Show writers blueprint for dummies" with all the little mysteries that they try to rush through answers at the end. We literally saw the emperor get betrayed by his wife in one room, walk out the room and find out the mother superior has arrived and then get betrayed by her then get betrayed by his mistress in a the space of 10min total in scenes.....that's just terrible writing and pacing! Also how many characters are we actually invested in or even know their names??
YES and i dont think we'll get any of that so much that it will be brushed over in a matter of a minute in the next season. I just hope someone trys to make a series about all the wars that took place.
I recently tried The Expanse (after finishing the talletale game), but after fist 4 episodes I don't think I'll continue watching it. It didn't make a good impression on me, especially with all that hype surrounding it. 😒
expanse season 1-3 were amazing. I hated 4-6. Preferred the show when it was about the proto molecule and its mysteries rather than the last part with marco inaros. I liked miller too ( the alive one )
It wasn't what I wanted exactly, but it was better than fine. I mean, how could you make a show as good as those two movies, and even have it match the absurdity of how awesome the books are? I think this effort found its feet towards the end. Everything made sense (mostly), but I do think the Bene Gessert needed to put more hammer on the nail. Meaning: In the books, these women are dangerous, like really scary sometimes. While I appreciate putting them in danger more, I think seeing how bonkers crazy their plans can be and having it come together as bodies drop left and right should be leaned into more in the future. I really liked it.... yeah could have been more, a_ lot more,_ but I'd rather have a short season of them figuring things out than 8-10 episodes of them fumbling around with guess work. This way, they know what works, and needs to be adjusted, and any mistakes they make don't have to hold back the entire next season trying to *fix* them.
I get the feeling they made a mistake diving so deep into Bene Geserit training and their personal bullshit. Whole point of this faction is they are mysterious, unknowable and hide in the shadows, thinking on scale of entire humanity and thousands of years, rising above immediate concerns. When you show them as college students learning the tricks and engaging in petty feuds, it demystifying them, taking away that gravitas. Not to mention their tactics is so obvious and often not very smart. I constantly wondered why would anyone trust them, when truth seers have entire conversations in sign language in broad daylight in front of nobles they supposedly serve. Could you make your agenda any more transparent, oh mistresses of deception?
The sisterhood has always been in power even through their losses. They don't truly lose power until the god empower Leto 2 when he strips them of their access to spice thus being unable to create new reverend mothers
The worst thing for me was that I didn’t know that this was the finale .. i thought „ok now we get started“ and then I googled it that I need to wait 2 years ..
As a format, I'm hoping that networks will start changing and adapting. Something like this story would do well with a sort of mid-budget movie shot tight and close followed by a miniseries, and then a closing bigger-budget 90 minute movie that emphasizes the scope and scale of things to make a nice finale.... There are so many ways to present a series in video if there are no commercial breaks, mandatory lengths and no "seasons". Its a shame producers are so beholden to the TV model that is long dead at this point. They just want a dumping ground for stuff when it stops making streaming money... We need whole, complete, tight stories.
We know that using "The Voice" is a learned skill. It can be taught. So it obvious from the flashback that Valya taught her sisters (and Tula) how to use it.
God I hate the way they portray the Voice, even in the movies. It comes off as an angry scream when its always written like its all about control of your voice. And I hate when young Valya does it.
Yeah, every time they tried to put emphasis on her shouting "stop!" was massive cringe. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that it's something she can "just do."
I like it if you think about its the origin of the Voice. If you notice in the dune movies anytime someone uses the voice theres another persons voice enhancing it. When Paul uses it you hear the Reverend mother that taught Jessica behind it. When Jessica becomes a reverend mother you hear all the voices of the reverend mothers before her. When Paul awakens he has his own voice no enhancement and its powerful. Since shes the originator shes not gonna have a voice enhancer it’s just gonna be a guttural scream and i like that. Also when she’s young she only used it when shes under extreme stress. But her older self she uses it with ease. Shows that she has mastered it.
Show was boring af and completely uninteresting. Just like with most shows like this it feels so cheap even though they spend a bunch of money on it. Small amount of background cast that makes the world feel empty.
I hope in a few years tv writing will progress to telling more satisfying, and complete stories. Stop writing TV shows for what you might be able to do in the future if ratings are good, and instead focus on telling a complete story with each season. I'd love to see more 1 season shows, that just feel like a 6-10 hour movie. I look at it a lot like gaming lol, the death of live service forever games and resurgence of single-player games with solid design
I loved this show mainly cause it’s so damn interesting to me. Plus i love the new dune movies, they’re so deep and interesting and there’s many different view points of it. This series is the same. I feel like there this notion that everything has to have a satisfactory ending but its not how Frank Herbert writes, he had to write a second book to just to show how bad Paul as a person was cause no one got it. He always left it with an unsatisfactory ending. Thats why Tolkien hated the book there was no happy ending. This left me wanting more and thats good. Not everything needs a conclusion.
I think The Robot Overlord has infected Desmond, patient zero, with a nano virus that spreads like the flu. Basically anyone who's ever come into contact with him or people he's infected will catch this virus. That's why when he assassinates the kid, the sister, who is also infected burns worlds away because of her Bene Gesserit training. That sister took the virus home with her infecting all the other sisters except one. The one who doesn't have the same dream as all the other infected sisters. She's probably immune. I think Tula using Spice to help the young sister who took the water of life and started channeling the dead will tie in somehow in season 2 And with Desmond Harts bloodline revealed I think this show is about how they came to concieve of the Kwisatz Haderach.
After the revelation about Desmond's origins, I think the second season now has to explain how powerful a person can be thanks to the combination of the Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines. It will be necessary and interesting to explore the origins of this power and how Desmond will showcase that potential in a different timeline to give the Bene Gesserit a valid reason to desire a person like him in the future, who they can control since his birth, while also thinking about the wasted opportunity due to Tula's attempt to save her son from her sister's manipulation.
Knew this was going to be a big Nothing Burger. When you rush a show to production to try to capitalize on a movie's popularity, it's going to be meh at best. Just another piece of commercial "art" we didn't need, made only for commercial reasons. If there's no real vision behind it, you're going to have a mess on your hands.
pro-tip: anyone interested in watching the old version of Dune that David Lynch did, should look up the fan edits. I believe one is even on youtube. The fan edits do a lot for the movie, making them far more enjoyable, and even give you an appreciation for Lynch's vision of that world.
Dune is a series of books where the most compelling character moments are internal monologues. To me that's even harder to put on the silver screen than Lord of the Rings. To kill a Mockingbird and One Flew Over a Cuckoos nest had the same problem but it was much less material to edit for a screenplay in comparison to ALL the Dune literature there is.
Graveworm! Thanks Joe, I hadn’t listened to them in a couple years and just saw they released a new album last year because of your shirt. Best thing I got out of this Dune series.
The Bene Thelaxu provided gholas to the God Emporer. The 1st ghola was Hayt. These were recovered skin cells from Duncan Idaho. Duncan Idaho becomes the FINAL Kwitzach Haderach. That's all that mattered to me.
I think Valya is the mystery figure behind everything. And the AI (I don't remember the name) survived, because it was to easy to destroy, and it is very important for the plans of the Sisterhood.
The best comparison to what the King did is what Keanu Reeve's character did in Devils Advocate. Basically ending the whole manipulation by expressing one thing he has left. But, in that same comparison, that movie did it waaaay better
A slow "ok" show that got there in the end (for me at least). The finale was easily my fav episode, but man those world building visuals are up there with the best.
This show should fbe about the Fremen and the beauty of their culture, showcasing their depth, traditions, and resilience. It shouldn’t reduce them to mere fanatics or caricatures. That’s why I’m disappointed with Dune: Part 2, it feels like it misses the opportunity to truly explore the richness of the Fremen way of life. I don’t care about Dune Part 3
Oh so you wanted a documentary? I couldn't give a fk about the fremen. They are literally the least interesting part about all of dune. I wanna see how the harkonnen live, the spacing guild, the tleilaxu, the empire in other worlds.... Not some dumb desert where the people travel by sand worms, drink piss and are religious fanatics in either religion or weird rules/customs, surviving by terrorist attacks and claiming the world is theirs just because they are there. You just have a muslim fetish. The fremen suck. They are so backwards. Lots of the empire is backwards since they are regressing, with arrakis being the most corrupt and weird place of all. Literally worshipping worms because they make an enhancing drug. The empire sells it to travel the stars across the galaxy and have a massive empire spanning worlds. The fremen just want to have orgies and drink holy semen while high and throw a terrorist campaign of conquest to spread their religion. Fk that. Got enough of this trash at home. Go to London if you want the fremen.
@silver4831 yes. You wanna tell me that some weird clan of sand people that worship water is interesting? Because after hundreds or thousands of years they adapted to the environment? Wow. Don't give me the A.I. wars, the cool tech, the different worlds and tech of the many planets that aren't all sand, how the empire works, the tleilaxu shapeshifters, the harkonnen world and their weird lives, the spacing guild etc... Nah, the sand people worshipping a Jesus like messiah, drinking semen and piss, organizing terror attacks with guerrilla style tactics are way more interesting. Why? Because they have a suit that recycles piss and sweat. Wow.
@silver4831 because the books themselves try to play them off as some kind of cool thing in universe? I don't care 😆 The fremen are literally my least favorite part of dune as a whole. I don't care about Herbert's obsession with Arabs.
It really disappointed me... there was just too much plot armor and ridiculousness for me... I really thought it had potential and just kept getting worse for me
oh that's sad. Did you see how Indiana Jones & the Great Circle Jerk has a plane taking off without a runway? Like magic in a magical universe is realistic with respect to the magic of that universe. But a non-magical plane taking off without a runway is just dung. Just rewrite it & have them go to a runway & get the plane there
I love dune, I love the slowness and detail of the books. I can enjoy the slowness because it has gravitas, darkness and immersion. Sadly this show lacks the gravitas and immersion to make up for the boring story.
I want more Dune content, but this show was a big miss imo. way too much boring drama and artificial buildup. drama can be good, but this isn't. I really don't care about any of the characters
I hated this show just due to all the time jumps back and forth and back and forth. One episode looked like a game of thrones episode. I really like Dune and the universe but this was just garbage.
@@NotSoRandom_ perhaps to generous. I loved season 1 of game of thrones but it certainly wasn’t it at its best. Hoping Dune P has a similar trajectory without the tragic end
GoT season 1 basically had 99% of awesome actors/actresses. Even the children. Dune Proph is 50/50, half of the cast are too awkward to watch. Mainly the younger generation. Its like they werent acting at all and just talking like theyre still in downtown LA doing a commercial shoot.
This is a lot of words to say "It's just more boring crap that rolled off the crap conveyor belt." Pass. Also Denis Villeneuve's films were boring af too.
6/10 for me as a Dune fan. I enjoyed exploring the universe more but a lot of the acting fell short for me. Coupled with some lack luster dialogue and slow pacing, lost some points for me. The acting from Inez, the Queen, and acolytes imho was pretty bad.
Apparently anything written by the author that this series is based on isn’t great. Shame but HBO taking full advantage of what Denis has done with this IP.
I never read the Dune books, but as a show, Dune needs at least 10 or 13 episodes in order to flush out things that can't be rushed same goes to any super long and detailed books.
Honestly, I REALLY enjoyed this show. Writing could definitely be better, but acting is pretty good, set design, costumes, etc are PHENOMENAL, and the setting/time of the story is a great idea. Yeah, some definitive problems, but I enjoyed the show way more than I thought I would.
Perhaps my standards are just rock bottom after so many series lately being incoherent messes with constantly contradictory character motivations etc., but this series really grabbed me for every moment. And the final episode had me holding my breath for a long time - it was wild how long some scenes kept me wondering who would end up fatalities. And did feel fairly satisfactory to me. That said, I hadn't really thought of the the locations and characters likely to be follow more in S2, which I agree would be a bummer. Was hoping they'd still be secondary..
Smiles. I enjoyed the show and am glad to be getting a season 2. And after being told by all the haters all season long "oh you are so stupid for liking this crap and it's gonna be canceled, ha, ha". You don't have to watch it if you hate it so much but to try and kill it for those who do like it is pathetic.
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It was OK.., but if anyone knows the lore of Dune, they will cry quietly that a much more interesting storyline was not chosen for the screen adaptation.
Is it really crying when fans have more knowledge of the material
@@brandonbaerga4972 Brian Herbert's books suck. Any true dune fan should hate anything he's produced.
@@silver4831bro had some problems
The fact that they skipped over the vorian atredies stuff was totally fine. Maybe we get flashbacks in s2.
If you're talking about the god emporer red hearing.
That was never actually happening in this show.
@@silver4831 To be fair even the original author's books became incredibly mixed in terms of reception/tone after the original book.
I enjoyed the first four books, and intend to read the last book or two eventually myself, but past the first book the story basically goes off in a very strange direction.
An interesting strange direction, but not one that really is well adapted to the big screen or shows. So I wasn't expecting much from this regardless.
I feel like princess Inez was the worst part of the show. Her acting was terrible. Her fight choreography was laughable. The character barely served any purpose.
Yes but have you noticed how similar she looks to young Winona Rider from some angles?
The fight choreography in general was laughable. There's a shot in the final combat scene where a guy kicks the Swordmaster to the ground, then in the next shot is suddenly on his ass struggling to get up. How the fuck did they think that editing was acceptable?
@@Omega4Productionsabsolutely, the fight choreography was dog shit
36:11 I’m shocked no one mentioned the “club” when they were planting the bombs all over the low 7 foot ceiling and Desmond’s guys come in search and overturn the place and awkwardly miss them just sitting on the ceiling clearly blinking green in every room 😂
Yeah that was pretty stupid. But it's the same in literally every single movie and series, bombs just blinking red or green while trying to be secret. I understand it's for the audience to know what's going on but it comes off as they consider us too stupid to get it without the blinking lights. 🙄
They should of just hid her BG viel by hanging it on the ceiling, they never would of found it or proved anything.
Easy solution was to have them turned invisible but nope. That whole scene made me laugh.
You clearly missed that whole scene. Two guys went upstairs (or downstairs, I can’t remember) where the bombs were planted and Atreides kills them the moment THEY DO see the bombs. Nowhere else in the building contained bombs. I thought this was obvious but I guess not
25:41 Final verdict
Thx
Throughout heaven and earth you alone are the honored one
Thank you for this ❤
Alex at 19:45 😂
Thx
The older actors are holding the show together, while the younger ones are clearly green (namely the Acolytes). Salusa Secondus is essentially a Balanciaga gala populated with Derek Zoolanders.
Desmond unleashing the Magnum at the landsrad was cool. hehehehehe
That's one way to put it....
What do you mean they are green?
@@robertlemiesz7143 New or Unexperienced or Young
@robertlemiesz7143 like an unripe fruit. They are inexperienced.
All of the Desmond explanations fail to mention why the hell he could resist the Voice. Valya herself wasn’t even resistant to it. Unless Desmond himself is entirely AI, there’s no way he should be immune
Probably a S2 explanation there. Leaves some secrets not revealed I would guess.
There are characters in Dune that are resistant to the voice
I think it was just their explanation that “he’s some sort of genetic perfection blah blah…”
@@jbiz979 yeah, they specifically trained to resist the voice.
I'm still convinced that this whole story is the origin of the Kwisatz Haderach plan. Hart was exposed to the pure spice in the belly of the worm this gained a fuck ton of prescience abilities. I think by the end the sisterhood will use what happened to Hart as a guide for building their own super being. Problem is that they think they'll be able to control such a being which in the end they never could
The problem i have with this series is i dont care. I don't care what happens in the story because i couldn't care any less for any of the characters. Desmond hart was somewhat interesting at beginning but then he was just meh again. They really failed to make care anything for any sisterhood characters or the princess.
It’s disconnected from the movies
Agree. Its a decent show but I didn't care for any characters either. The first episode failed to setup the characters and story.
travis yet again in mid tv show but doing everything he can to save it
Travis really is the best part of Dune: Prophecy. He's such a fantastic actor. Vikings really suffered when he left the show & he was also great as Tarzan in WB33's short-lived show about the famed King of The Jungle and as Lothar in the Warcraft movie.
His character is literally the only reason I kept watching.
He is a great actor for real. I think he carried that other show raised by wolves really well also. Too bad it got cancelled
@@flatearth7800 Joe really loved Raised by Wolves. He was livid when that show got canceled🌋
The dude is amazing and deserves better.
Bro was tortured for atleast a day. And was super refreshed when he was released, so much so that he whooped the rest of the army ass lol. They said shut down the palace and they still easily escaped to the ships lmao
This felt like bad fan fiction, the political maneuvering was amateurish, sets lacked people/grandeur as these are houses that rule entire planets aswell as lacking councilors and retainers and general pomp a noble house would have. Zero world building in the sense didnt get much from which house held what power wise only a limited this is a weak house etc. No spacing guild, no Mentats which every house would have especially since there isnt any thinking computers. Sisterhood felt like teen high drama. Best bit about the show was Desmand but even the Reveal was obvious episodes ago. Hopefully season 2 corrects alot of this but doubtful would have time.
I think the school of Mentats hasn't had time to develop yet? "Set 10,000 years before the events of Dune, the series commences eighty years after the human military defeated the thinking machine armies of Omnius"
"The origin of the first Mentat is later explored in the Legends of Dune (2002-2004) prequels written by Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert. During the Butlerian Jihad, thinking machine leader Omnius sees humans as animals, but the independent robot Erasmus argues that any human can become brilliant"
@@alwaysdisputin9930 pretty certain one of the sisters mentioned she had mentat training.
@@fistimusmaximus6576 Brian's work IS bad fanfiction.
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does commenting on a comment also help? Also merry christmas
@Saviorprimo-incog maybe.
@@Saviorprimo-incogmaybe commenting to these comments is good. Merry Christmas!
@@Pab-B
What about commenting on a comment of a comment?? Merry Christmas!!
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I think the hooded figure is a Navigator. You know, the Spacing Guild is all behind this scheme. Because they've been known to be players too.
I'm guessing Tleilaxu Master. Like the sisters and the Tlielaxu are 2 sides of the same genetic coin.
Or it's Erasmus, but that would be too good. It's probably a Tleilaxu Master.
This season was very uneven and suffered a lot from the writers presenting the character actions as clever, when they're actually dumb. Young Valya's brilliant plan was to murder Mother Dorotea...and then murder almost everyone else and then hide the bodies in the middle of the convent?? What even is the point of winning a succession fight if you have to murder nearly everyone? How was that covered up? For the first 5 episodes, it was plausible when Valya had only killed Dorotea, but this was ridiculous--and the writers present it like a clever twist 😵💫
Yes! The sisterhood is completely flat in this series. Who was even left after Valyas killing spree? Weren't there supposed to be truthsayers at every house etc? They just went along with this massacre? Aren't they all supposed to be highest genius level to weave the so called "plans within plans" etc? It's just silly writing and Valya comes off as a basic bloodthirsty psychopath, not an evil mastermind. And let's not mention the facedancer faceplant lol.
@@IrenicusFTW I haven't see this tv show but I think maybe the Bene Geserit is in a very early development stage, 10,000 years before the events of Dune.
Stuffing all bodies into a lake in the middle of the "monastery" was dumb af, but I don't think it was Valya's plan. At least mother Dorothea wasn't preplanned for sure imo. She just reacted to a situation unfolding.
It isn't about winning the fight. She preserved the breeding programme by purging the sisterhood, and she'd do it again as many times as it takes.
Dumping the bodies in the nearest convenient pool makes a lot of sense when you consider these four skinny young women had to do the cleanup. Bodies weigh a lot.
I'm all for critique, but those aren't examples of poor writing on the show.
@vanyadolly I agree about what she did to keep mother Raquela's project but it would be extremely stupid to leave the bodies (evidence of mass murder) there to be eventually found. Dune universe has anti-gravity technology already and even if not they had enough time to get rid of the evidence some other way, don't you think? 🤔
This show was so boring I can’t even watch the reviews with entertaining people talking about it.
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Absolutely agree…there was a LOT going on. And I walked away with a lot more questions than answers. Did not feel like a complete finale to me.
“#1 on hbo” yeah because there is nothing else to watch on hbo
The first 3 episodes were kinda boring but the season did finish strong. I'm definitely interested in it now and excited for season 2. Desmond Hart kinda carrying the show for me.
Thats exactly how I felt, at least the series finished strong. Pretty much most TV series start weak and end weak im glad we got something that turned out better over time
It finished strong alright. Strong is gone. Lmao.
This show should fbe about the Fremen and the beauty of their culture, showcasing their depth, traditions, and resilience. It shouldn’t reduce them to mere fanatics or caricatures. That’s why I’m disappointed with Dune: Part 2, it feels like it misses the opportunity to truly explore the richness of the Fremen way of life.
I don’t care about Dune Part 3
@Ghostleeee They are fanatics in the books though.
@@jakewheeler6014
Yes and no.
I’m currently rereading the books, and it’s clear the Fremen didn’t wait for Paul to save them. They already had a plan for transforming the planet.
It seems you might not have fully delved into the books, as they aren’t solely about religion. Paul himself is often astonished by the depth of the Fremen’s knowledge and wisdom.
From a technological perspective, Paul even acknowledges that nothing in the known universe comes close to what the Fremen can Build.
And without all the rules, the fremen would be weak, survivel would be inposible without the „water Disziplin“
I endured this show only because of Emily Watson. And as a book fan I can't take any of this seriously.
HBO should have simplified the material but instead they invented new plot lines and turned everything into convoluted mess.
And I specifically dislike the show visuals, it looks like Villeneuve movies and GoT mixed together. The show takes place approx 10k yrs into the future (from 21st century) and 10k yrs before the Dune movies. Less than a 100 yrs after the galactic Machine\AI war. The visuals should be completely different, it should be more sci-fi. Why choose this specific time period and make everything look like Villeneuve movies? They should have taken more creative liberties with visuals.. and not the plot!
interesting point
I really wish they would’ve done a more interesting time period like the Butlerian Rebellion. This one’s kinda boring, but some interesting parts. Worth a watch if you’ve got nothing better to watch.
That might yet happen in the future is there is enough interest, I should think other spinoffs may explore the other houses in different time periods, as long as they don't contradict the movies
6/10 for me, I felt like Valya was built up to be this incredible strategist but the last episode kinda undid a lot of that for me IMO. Also I think the Tula and Desmond thing was pretty obvious. I remember watching the one sex scene (trying not to spoil here) and telling my dad "yeah this is gonna come back". Also the whole sisterhood rebellion was obvious and the way it started for me was so dumb, sister Jen literally fell for the most cliche "loosen my cuffs it hurts" move. Also I felt like the radicalization of the other sisters wasn't really developed I guess it technically it isn't since we don't know how the dominos are gonna fall, I felt pretty underwhelmed with this finale, but I see potential in the show, It just needs more time to set everything up and possibly better writers.
Yeah I think the Lila "takeover" could have been a whole episode. They definitely rushed it.
@@danny234555 ikr, I felt like the Lila stuff was a poorly thought-out way to start the sister rebellion even though they could have used Sister Avila. Literally Tula leaves, Avila could have done something considering what we learned she witnessed in the last episode
THIS! the dumbification of characters so the writers can push the drama. Dumb sister unleashing who she knows to be a dangerous conciousness bomb who's no longer her friend because "straps too tight uwu". The sisters being unified against Valya by vague populistic rethoric when they are literally taught to avoid the trappings of rethoric and emotion? "the sisterhood has lost its way!". Bitch wasn't the sisterhood founded for galactic domination? don't crap on valya. She's been doing great. you were weak and cowardly and closed of mind. Valya, valya, valya. You magnificent truthsayer, voice user, prana bindu master.... couldn't see that javiccos concubine was dick whipped and wasn't going to kill him?. A smart Valya would have sent the face dancer to kill Javicco using the face of their hindu sister. Because what the fuck was the point of having her morph into Ynez. And OnThat Point!!! why did she turn into a random dying soldier to gently prick Desmond? why did she stab him only once? why was she semi unconscious or weakened at all (i assume it is because breaking and repairing your bones ehile melting your flesh for the transformation is taxing. but never explained so impact is lost.) A smart sister would have remained as Ynez. Would have remained restrained. And now she had an in with the queen. pretending to be scorned after the atreides betrayed her. pretending "he escaped with that fucking witch and left me hanging. literally hanging. after everything I risked for him". Boom! a great spy in the inner circle instead of a dumb hostage for Desmond. Why? why? why is that authors keep dumbifying smart characters instead of just keeping them decent? why can't they think this stuff for more than one brainstorming session? why do they keep hiring dumb asses as writers?
How did he ended up from Worms mouth on to Robot operating table?
Yeah good question, maybe they'll explain it in the next season...? My guess is it could have been planted memories to make him believe it's a supernatural ability given to him by Shaj Hulud.
@@MaroshBRuNo Because 6 hours is not enough to get to that
@@vavan100 yeah maybe in season 3 they'll mention it with one sentence 😅
Did you actually believe Shai-Hulud spit out Desmond Hart because he didn't taste good?
High production value does not a good story make
Wisdom big in your words hidden is.
i loved it
Two hits with a crowbar destroys a super computer, apparently
Computer was taken down in one hit. It took two hits to get through the security door..
Gordon Freeman approves.
I mean.. Yeah. Computers aren't exactly built for combat. lol I don't know any computer you can beat with a crowbar and it would still work.
Once, entire petabytes of data were erased because the drives got vibrated too hard whule crossing a parking lot in a cart. Breathe hard upon a quantum computer and you decohere it. The more complex the computer, the more fragile it becomes. With that being said, lila smashed the monitor, the interface
@@EyeXombieSurely the crowbar would bounce off a number of times until the screws can't take the stress & the cover pops off to reveal the innards of the machine
The fact it turned out as well as it did is incredible. The showrunner replaced, directors replaced, main characters replaced, scripts we-written
This year was rough with the new Max producers. Its the reason they cut 2 episodes from HoTD which neurted that season aswell.
Lets hope the producers get their heads put their sand worm buckets. And see what they got.
When Tula was holding Valya and talking her through the virus I was SURE she was about to say… “fear is the little death that brings…” 😂
I'm just glad it's over. I now regret knowing this bit of the Bene Gesserit shoddy back story.
The CW presents: Dune High
That was a nicely succinct way of putting it. The show did feel amateurish. Its as if Denis Villeneuve left some rejected set designs behind and some of his animation crew behind, and then they got some cosplayers to come in and do a prequel accompanied by these visual artists.
@@alphacause
Yep, I wouldn't mind Brian Herbert based stuff but this just proves the naysayers right when they say those 20 prequel/sequel books are slop and this series obviously cant stand on its own with just the Sisterhood of Dune source material. And even with the Villenueve films to market it with and ride on top of this isn't as good as it could be
@@hypocriticalsatire3966and yet season 2 on the way! Too bad.
What show did you watch?
Idk why Sci-fi fans have such low standards. We'll never get another Battlestar Galactica or The Expanse in this climate.
It wasn't as bad as i thought it would be, but it wasn't very good either. Desmond hart was just a pawn created by a woman probably, the emperor was simp, and 20 plus imperial guards cant take down a man a woman
Right! If they had told us up front that this show would be multiple seasons then we wouldn’t have expected the show to move forward faster, and the finale to wrap things up much more neatly.
They were going for Frank Herbert, but they went deep into Brian Herbert instead...
It feels to me like they made a show about the bene gesserit initiates and the intrigue of the sisterhood, and then The Acolyte came out and they saw the publics reaction to lesbian space witches and someone at HBO went "Reshoot the series, add in more game of thrones and cut out most of the lesbian space witches"
Lesbian space witches? Obviously the show is not packaged for a geberal audience.
Spoiler about the AI of the Bene Geserit, I found it weird how their previous leader reveals it and destroys it. I mean why didn't she destroy it when she was their leader? She knew about it. What evil did it do? She should thank it for reviving her. (to the future AI overlords: I am supporting you, spare me)
She was going to destroy it, but valya used the voice on her and made her kill herself.
This is part of the problem with the way Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson changed what should have been an ideological war of religious fanaticism to "grr Terminator robots massacring humans." The Jihad as depicted by Frank Herbert was a religious movement, and there's plenty in his books implying it wasn't necessarily a good thing. It's not about what they're doing with the AI or what its doing on its own, it's about the fanatical mindset that says "this thing is an abomination and should not exist," which persists even 10,000 years later. The way the Jihad is depicted in the Dune Encyclopedia is far better - it says the whole thing was less a unified movement and more of a disorganized chaos, more like gangs of thugs going from planet to planet, sometimes even fighting each other.
Unfortunately one of the first things BH/KJA did was disrespect the DE and its author in order to pretend their work was better.
I really like the series until this last episode. I'm in the minority but I enjoyed the characters, details, and adding lore and context to the new movies.
That being said, this last episode was sooooo lacking.
This series needed to be 10 episodes minimum.
6 episodes is criminally lacking for fleshing out all these arcs.
The cliffhanger and what, another 2 year wait for 6 more episodes? Yikes.
Streaming services need to stop forcing series to be 8 episodes, almost every single new streaming service TV show I can think of always has an unsatisfying ending due to the limited episodes
This was like watching a long ass slide show.....the pacing was appalling! The writers are following the "Show writers blueprint for dummies" with all the little mysteries that they try to rush through answers at the end. We literally saw the emperor get betrayed by his wife in one room, walk out the room and find out the mother superior has arrived and then get betrayed by her then get betrayed by his mistress in a the space of 10min total in scenes.....that's just terrible writing and pacing! Also how many characters are we actually invested in or even know their names??
The princess and average swordmaster kills elite guards ordered by Desmond...that's bull,I gagged,plot Armour was strong there
Well she's a strong independent woman.
We need more tech, mentats, guild, and planet dune with fremen. Planetologies would be good.
YES and i dont think we'll get any of that so much that it will be brushed over in a matter of a minute in the next season. I just hope someone trys to make a series about all the wars that took place.
This was a good first season better than most other recent scy-fy shows.
Still a way to go to catch up with The Expanse.
But already miles ahead of The 100 air?
I recently tried The Expanse (after finishing the talletale game), but after fist 4 episodes I don't think I'll continue watching it. It didn't make a good impression on me, especially with all that hype surrounding it. 😒
@@MaroshBRuNo After season 1 the season keep getting better. I would stick with it. the expanse a brilliant sci for series
@@danasimpson1275 thnx, maybe I'll give it another chance...
expanse season 1-3 were amazing. I hated 4-6. Preferred the show when it was about the proto molecule and its mysteries rather than the last part with marco inaros. I liked miller too ( the alive one )
Angry Joe review as an early Christmas present?!
Im hesitant because I dont like a lot of Brian Herbert ideas
@@TheLongestTake Rightfully so.
Spaces witches were literally the most interesting thing in Dune, asides from the worm. How the heck did they make a coven of them boring?
It wasn't what I wanted exactly, but it was better than fine. I mean, how could you make a show as good as those two movies, and even have it match the absurdity of how awesome the books are? I think this effort found its feet towards the end. Everything made sense (mostly), but I do think the Bene Gessert needed to put more hammer on the nail. Meaning: In the books, these women are dangerous, like really scary sometimes. While I appreciate putting them in danger more, I think seeing how bonkers crazy their plans can be and having it come together as bodies drop left and right should be leaned into more in the future. I really liked it.... yeah could have been more, a_ lot more,_ but I'd rather have a short season of them figuring things out than 8-10 episodes of them fumbling around with guess work. This way, they know what works, and needs to be adjusted, and any mistakes they make don't have to hold back the entire next season trying to *fix* them.
I get the feeling they made a mistake diving so deep into Bene Geserit training and their personal bullshit. Whole point of this faction is they are mysterious, unknowable and hide in the shadows, thinking on scale of entire humanity and thousands of years, rising above immediate concerns. When you show them as college students learning the tricks and engaging in petty feuds, it demystifying them, taking away that gravitas. Not to mention their tactics is so obvious and often not very smart. I constantly wondered why would anyone trust them, when truth seers have entire conversations in sign language in broad daylight in front of nobles they supposedly serve. Could you make your agenda any more transparent, oh mistresses of deception?
The sisterhood has always been in power even through their losses. They don't truly lose power until the god empower Leto 2 when he strips them of their access to spice thus being unable to create new reverend mothers
The worst thing for me was that I didn’t know that this was the finale .. i thought „ok now we get started“ and then I googled it that I need to wait 2 years ..
I was disappointed with the finale. I thought the final episode was kinda cheese ball. 6/10 for the series
As a format, I'm hoping that networks will start changing and adapting. Something like this story would do well with a sort of mid-budget movie shot tight and close followed by a miniseries, and then a closing bigger-budget 90 minute movie that emphasizes the scope and scale of things to make a nice finale.... There are so many ways to present a series in video if there are no commercial breaks, mandatory lengths and no "seasons". Its a shame producers are so beholden to the TV model that is long dead at this point. They just want a dumping ground for stuff when it stops making streaming money... We need whole, complete, tight stories.
Travis carrying the series as usual with the things he is in that’s Ragnar
Literally. That's Ragnar. Again.
why didn't he see his own face through his own ripped out eye? The optic nerve was still intect so he had to see something.
We know that using "The Voice" is a learned skill. It can be taught. So it obvious from the flashback that Valya taught her sisters (and Tula) how to use it.
I can agree that the acolyte stuff isn’t that compelling, which includes the princess. But literally everything else is great.
God I hate the way they portray the Voice, even in the movies. It comes off as an angry scream when its always written like its all about control of your voice. And I hate when young Valya does it.
Very true. A jump scare noise-growl played over the words is cheap af.
Yeah, every time they tried to put emphasis on her shouting "stop!" was massive cringe. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that it's something she can "just do."
I like it if you think about its the origin of the Voice. If you notice in the dune movies anytime someone uses the voice theres another persons voice enhancing it. When Paul uses it you hear the Reverend mother that taught Jessica behind it. When Jessica becomes a reverend mother you hear all the voices of the reverend mothers before her. When Paul awakens he has his own voice no enhancement and its powerful. Since shes the originator shes not gonna have a voice enhancer it’s just gonna be a guttural scream and i like that. Also when she’s young she only used it when shes under extreme stress. But her older self she uses it with ease. Shows that she has mastered it.
#1 show on HBO according to HBO who would never BS that ranking to help promote their new, super-expensive show. Noooo way. XD
Why wouldn’t it be #1 on hbo? What else do they have going on right now?
If the show wasn’t doing well, they would just cancel it.
@@rafterman5072true, especially the fact they’re renewing it for a second season
@@BehuraStudioProbably as it's already filmed.
Show was boring af and completely uninteresting. Just like with most shows like this it feels so cheap even though they spend a bunch of money on it. Small amount of background cast that makes the world feel empty.
I consider myself a big Dune fan, but I’d forgotten this series existed. I’m so used to being disappointed I just don’t bother anymore.
Lloyd was at the bar waiting for Mary NOT Harry! Harry was with Mary Swanson.
I hope in a few years tv writing will progress to telling more satisfying, and complete stories. Stop writing TV shows for what you might be able to do in the future if ratings are good, and instead focus on telling a complete story with each season. I'd love to see more 1 season shows, that just feel like a 6-10 hour movie.
I look at it a lot like gaming lol, the death of live service forever games and resurgence of single-player games with solid design
I didn't even realize it was the finale. Didn't seem like a finale to me.
I loved this show mainly cause it’s so damn interesting to me. Plus i love the new dune movies, they’re so deep and interesting and there’s many different view points of it. This series is the same. I feel like there this notion that everything has to have a satisfactory ending but its not how Frank Herbert writes, he had to write a second book to just to show how bad Paul as a person was cause no one got it. He always left it with an unsatisfactory ending. Thats why Tolkien hated the book there was no happy ending. This left me wanting more and thats good. Not everything needs a conclusion.
I think The Robot Overlord has infected Desmond, patient zero, with a nano virus that spreads like the flu. Basically anyone who's ever come into contact with him or people he's infected will catch this virus. That's why when he assassinates the kid, the sister, who is also infected burns worlds away because of her Bene Gesserit training.
That sister took the virus home with her infecting all the other sisters except one. The one who doesn't have the same dream as all the other infected sisters. She's probably immune.
I think Tula using Spice to help the young sister who took the water of life and started channeling the dead will tie in somehow in season 2
And with Desmond Harts bloodline revealed I think this show is about how they came to concieve of the Kwisatz Haderach.
If only the hooded figure the operating room would turn out to be Erasmus...
After the revelation about Desmond's origins, I think the second season now has to explain how powerful a person can be thanks to the combination of the Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines. It will be necessary and interesting to explore the origins of this power and how Desmond will showcase that potential in a different timeline to give the Bene Gesserit a valid reason to desire a person like him in the future, who they can control since his birth, while also thinking about the wasted opportunity due to Tula's attempt to save her son from her sister's manipulation.
I was hoping that the sisterhood would form a circle and chant, “The Power of Maaaaany!” to fight the virus
Knew this was going to be a big Nothing Burger. When you rush a show to production to try to capitalize on a movie's popularity, it's going to be meh at best. Just another piece of commercial "art" we didn't need, made only for commercial reasons. If there's no real vision behind it, you're going to have a mess on your hands.
pro-tip: anyone interested in watching the old version of Dune that David Lynch did, should look up the fan edits. I believe one is even on youtube. The fan edits do a lot for the movie, making them far more enjoyable, and even give you an appreciation for Lynch's vision of that world.
Dune is a series of books where the most compelling character moments are internal monologues. To me that's even harder to put on the silver screen than Lord of the Rings. To kill a Mockingbird and One Flew Over a Cuckoos nest had the same problem but it was much less material to edit for a screenplay in comparison to ALL the Dune literature there is.
I forgot this Dune show exists.
Graveworm! Thanks Joe, I hadn’t listened to them in a couple years and just saw they released a new album last year because of your shirt. Best thing I got out of this Dune series.
Upload on Christmas day, merry Christmas from Australia!
The Bene Thelaxu provided gholas to the God Emporer. The 1st ghola was Hayt. These were recovered skin cells from Duncan Idaho. Duncan Idaho becomes the FINAL Kwitzach Haderach. That's all that mattered to me.
I think Valya is the mystery figure behind everything. And the AI (I don't remember the name) survived, because it was to easy to destroy, and it is very important for the plans of the Sisterhood.
The best comparison to what the King did is what Keanu Reeve's character did in Devils Advocate. Basically ending the whole manipulation by expressing one thing he has left. But, in that same comparison, that movie did it waaaay better
A slow "ok" show that got there in the end (for me at least). The finale was easily my fav episode, but man those world building visuals are up there with the best.
This show should fbe about the Fremen and the beauty of their culture, showcasing their depth, traditions, and resilience. It shouldn’t reduce them to mere fanatics or caricatures. That’s why I’m disappointed with Dune: Part 2, it feels like it misses the opportunity to truly explore the richness of the Fremen way of life.
I don’t care about Dune Part 3
Oh so you wanted a documentary?
I couldn't give a fk about the fremen.
They are literally the least interesting part about all of dune.
I wanna see how the harkonnen live, the spacing guild, the tleilaxu, the empire in other worlds.... Not some dumb desert where the people travel by sand worms, drink piss and are religious fanatics in either religion or weird rules/customs, surviving by terrorist attacks and claiming the world is theirs just because they are there.
You just have a muslim fetish.
The fremen suck. They are so backwards. Lots of the empire is backwards since they are regressing, with arrakis being the most corrupt and weird place of all. Literally worshipping worms because they make an enhancing drug. The empire sells it to travel the stars across the galaxy and have a massive empire spanning worlds. The fremen just want to have orgies and drink holy semen while high and throw a terrorist campaign of conquest to spread their religion.
Fk that. Got enough of this trash at home. Go to London if you want the fremen.
@@kato093 "I couldn't give a fk about the fremen.
They are literally the least interesting part about all of dune" My dude WHAT.
@silver4831 yes. You wanna tell me that some weird clan of sand people that worship water is interesting? Because after hundreds or thousands of years they adapted to the environment? Wow. Don't give me the A.I. wars, the cool tech, the different worlds and tech of the many planets that aren't all sand, how the empire works, the tleilaxu shapeshifters, the harkonnen world and their weird lives, the spacing guild etc... Nah, the sand people worshipping a Jesus like messiah, drinking semen and piss, organizing terror attacks with guerrilla style tactics are way more interesting. Why? Because they have a suit that recycles piss and sweat. Wow.
@@kato093 Are you trying to troll? Anyone who's read the books and knows a little lore would understand the Fremen better.
@silver4831 because the books themselves try to play them off as some kind of cool thing in universe? I don't care 😆
The fremen are literally my least favorite part of dune as a whole.
I don't care about Herbert's obsession with Arabs.
The person in the hood was Agatha All Along
Season 1 was ASSSSSSS
Two years for six episodes while TNG was putting out 26 episodes every year for seven years straight.
felt and looked like krypton cheap, boring and not worth the slog with awful actors
It really disappointed me... there was just too much plot armor and ridiculousness for me... I really thought it had potential and just kept getting worse for me
oh that's sad. Did you see how Indiana Jones & the Great Circle Jerk has a plane taking off without a runway? Like magic in a magical universe is realistic with respect to the magic of that universe. But a non-magical plane taking off without a runway is just dung. Just rewrite it & have them go to a runway & get the plane there
01:01:01 - th4 hooded figure is either Leto II or his twin sister Ghanima
I love dune, I love the slowness and detail of the books. I can enjoy the slowness because it has gravitas, darkness and immersion. Sadly this show lacks the gravitas and immersion to make up for the boring story.
This was a rough and boring series giving it a 6/10 is nuts to me. At best it’s like a 3 or 4/10
There a few minor errors but good high brow viewing. This episode we find out why the "Litany Against Fear" came about.
The Lisan al Gaib
I want more Dune content, but this show was a big miss imo. way too much boring drama and artificial buildup. drama can be good, but this isn't. I really don't care about any of the characters
I turned that shit off 10 minute into ep 1. Jesus what a disappointment compared to the movies.
I really don't understand how anyone liked this.
@@silver4831 some people liked rings of power or game of thrones season 8
I thought that Desmond was going to be the first mental, and it was setting a long drawn out battle in the shadows between the bene’s and mentats
It didn't really go anywhere did it
They should have announced S2 earlier. Much of the buzz is about mismanaged expectations. Taken as a first season, it works well so far.
I hated this show just due to all the time jumps back and forth and back and forth. One episode looked like a game of thrones episode. I really like Dune and the universe but this was just garbage.
Basically Game oF Thrones seasn 1. Has such potential for glory moving forward. Let us pray brothers
High praise
@@NotSoRandom_ perhaps to generous. I loved season 1 of game of thrones but it certainly wasn’t it at its best. Hoping Dune P has a similar trajectory without the tragic end
Same thing I said.
Was pretty good imo.
GoT season 1 basically had 99% of awesome actors/actresses. Even the children. Dune Proph is 50/50, half of the cast are too awkward to watch. Mainly the younger generation. Its like they werent acting at all and just talking like theyre still in downtown LA doing a commercial shoot.
@@BlackRiverStudios bro they reeeally need to ditch the acolytes
This is a lot of words to say "It's just more boring crap that rolled off the crap conveyor belt."
Pass. Also Denis Villeneuve's films were boring af too.
Concerning the Season 1 episode count, the episode count was reduced to the Strikes.
There will still be a mystery bix next season...of who the "true enemy" is in the shadows. Is it an AI or is it someone controlling it?
6/10 for me as a Dune fan. I enjoyed exploring the universe more but a lot of the acting fell short for me. Coupled with some lack luster dialogue and slow pacing, lost some points for me.
The acting from Inez, the Queen, and acolytes imho was pretty bad.
Mark Strong performance and Desmond were the best part of the show for me.
Apparently anything written by the author that this series is based on isn’t great. Shame but HBO taking full advantage of what Denis has done with this IP.
I never read the Dune books, but as a show, Dune needs at least 10 or 13 episodes in order to flush out things that can't be rushed same goes to any super long and detailed books.
Maybe read at least book 1 before coming to any conclusions?
Angry Jim- "im a huge book and lore fan" aka just regurgitating at a lesser quality everything hes learned from Quinns ideas
Honestly, I REALLY enjoyed this show. Writing could definitely be better, but acting is pretty good, set design, costumes, etc are PHENOMENAL, and the setting/time of the story is a great idea. Yeah, some definitive problems, but I enjoyed the show way more than I thought I would.
Perhaps my standards are just rock bottom after so many series lately being incoherent messes with constantly contradictory character motivations etc., but this series really grabbed me for every moment. And the final episode had me holding my breath for a long time - it was wild how long some scenes kept me wondering who would end up fatalities. And did feel fairly satisfactory to me. That said, I hadn't really thought of the the locations and characters likely to be follow more in S2, which I agree would be a bummer. Was hoping they'd still be secondary..
Smiles. I enjoyed the show and am glad to be getting a season 2. And after being told by all the haters all season long "oh you are so stupid for liking this crap and it's gonna be canceled, ha, ha". You don't have to watch it if you hate it so much but to try and kill it for those who do like it is pathetic.
People like you suck. You literally extend the life of awful shows and movie franchises. You're the reason so much bad media gets made.
@@natediaz1863 Cry me a river. If you don’t like it, move onto something you do like. There are literally hundreds of shows out there.
I knew a season 2 was happening regardless.
The purpose of the series is to get Dune on the map for the next Dune Messiah movie.
@@rafterman5072 Supporting Brian Herbert's rape of his farthers would should be a sin.
@rafterman5072 lol bruh, I'm sailing on the river you were crying