Thanks Jurekis! We'll see if it's possible tomorrow, I can't spoil it :p No matter how you look at it, 39 bags are a lot of bags, and considering how slow the ziplines are... we'll see how it goes! Haha :D
Normally I'm against ECM rushing as it tends to ruin the feel of stealth. But this and some of the other full team rushes I've seen from you are amazing. Nicely done
That's great to hear Zylo, thank you very much! I agree that "cheap" ECM rushing (like salvaging messy situations that should've led to failure) is painful to watch... I'm glad that you've been enjoying these challenges, I appreciate it a lot!
0:38 reading the word "Old Heist" as a console player really puts things into perspective lmao if ONLY we could play this too I did try stealthing it a bit on PC at least so there's that but damn 39 bags?! I had no idea..i can't even imagine how painfullllll it is to solo with full loot
To put this into perspective, it makes the heist slower than just solo stealthing the Big Bank since the objectives can take longer and the guard pathing will always have 4 guards upstairs, so you either kill 3 guards thereand the camera operator and have to cover the areas in C4 or you kill all 4 and PECM to rush past cams whenever you need to walk by certain spots. Not ideal, especially because it gives nowhere near good XP or money. Only reason to grab all 39 is to flex on people.
Hey there Alex! I feel like it's been a while :D Someone else mentioned a similar thing, and it made me realize that it's really old for me, but really new in terms of storyline, and not even available on console... truly a shame. Glad that you had a chance to try it on your PC account! It does indeed take a long time to get all loot, and just as *@Grim Judgment* mentions, it's worthless because there's no bonus XP for the artifacts. Definitely go for main only, unless you wanna flex for this timed challenge!
@@Marcmb Yep it's been a while! Glad you're officially back with us ehe I'm personally totally fine with playing Payday 2 on my PS4 but man oh man I just can't wait to get my hands on Payday 3 and see all the new content that's going to come out of it, fingers crossed for a good launch! 🤞
@@LegoAlex99 Hopefully PD3 has cross platform because I'd love to be able to interact with the console playerbase since they deserve a lot of love after having to deal with the botched updates since the beginning. I've always repeatedly said that I would never buy PD3 on any platform if they screw over console players again because that was really bad for the life of Payday as a whole. Luckily after Bo Anderson has left Starbreeze, OVK seems to be making a lot better decisions though. I still sometimes ironically wear my StarVR mask and grab my Lucille and play with WW2 weapons to commemorate Raid WW2. Between you and I? Selling the rights to DbD was also a bad decision. Not having BE be under Starbreeze lost them so much money.
meanwhile in regular stealth... This zip line is so damn slow. Meanwhile in an ecm rush... ZIP LINE IF YOU DO NOT GO FASTER I WILL GO TO YOUR FACTORY AND DESTROY EVERY ZIP LINE THERE.
Haha thanks Niicko! At first it definitely seemed impossible to get all 39 bags (because of the zipline speed), but in the end we found a way! Welcome to the Believers :p
Hey arif! New profile picture? That could be a cool suggestion: I definitely want to make a solo guide first, but if I ever have a full crew interested in it, I could go for that! :D
@@Marcmb I would be interested. But oh well. I didn't do a lot of PAYDAY 2 for some time. I am finally able to explore any title I want so I am a bit off...
Thank you very much Sebas! Beautiful work indeed, it seemed impossible on paper, but thankfully one of the ziplines is considerably faster than the other 3! :D
Thank you Soviet! At first the challenge seemed mathematically impossible because of the zipline speed, but thankfully in the end we were able to pull through! Glad you're liking these rushes :D
Great Video! Really makes me get back to payday and ECM rushing (Which I will), looking forward to joining lobbies and help out in videos if need be. On the calculations i did it was actually 8.5 seconds and it was by chance the one whcih is waster by 3 seconds! The game is buggy as always with the zipline, They should really add a asset like a dumpster to secure the bags..
Thank you very much Xenon! Glad you liked it :) Looking forward to your return to the daily lobbies! For now I'm a bit too busy, but they will be returning in a few weeks (both early morning, and evening sometimes too). I noticed that your calculations happened to be with the fast zipline yup! 25% chance, very lucky :D And I suggested a dumpster/van or extra secure points a few months ago, but the devs didn't see it :(
Who knows, who knows! 39 bags are a lot with those slow ziplines, so hopefully there was some trick to it, or maybe we just tried our best but failed the true challenge... we'll see tomorrow! :p Either way it was a lot of fun for sure!
Little late to the vid. My thought for the poll was that it would incredibly close. Also love that you and hellcruzzer were having a contest of who could hit f faster.
No worries Chandler! It was indeed very very close, even with the fastest zipline. The ping competition was great :p very simple stuff, but very entertaining for those who understand just how "unbalanced" (or "host-favored") it was :D
I couldn't believe it when I saw it myself! I was starting to believe it was mathematically impossible to zipline all 39 bags within 6 minutes. Glad you're enjoying the content Dark, I appreciate it a lot :)
Thank you Falcon! Glad you liked this one :) Canada went really really well, and it's great to be back. Now I have more time to work on more complex projects, which is great :D
I agree! Breakin' Feds is also a very cool one. Definitely let the host take care of the launching though, wouldn't want the run to be completely doomed because of some desync with client launches :p
@@Marcmb yeah thats mainly dependent on ping and connection distance, I can tell when i played with someone from america(im from aus) with good connection but noticed some bag desync
Yup, _sometimes_ it works flawlessly with low ping, but just in case for that rush in particular it's definitely safest to let the host take care of it :D
you can't really call shacklethorne an "old heist" when it released so close to payday's original ending, it's more so overkill gave up on preventing heists from being ecm-rushed. regardless, great video!
Very true Subsidiary! I had completely forgotten about that detail: the heist came out years ago, so in my mind I automatically classified it as "old" :p At least it's good to see that, for 90% of the new heists (starting with the Silk Road campaign), the devs are adding anti-ECM rush mechanics to all heists: most can still be bypassed with enough preparation, but it makes it more tricky and more interesting! Glad you liked the video too, thank you :)
Ask and you shall receive: in U222 Overkill finally gave us bonus XP for extra bags on a bunch of heists, including Shacklethorne! 1000 bonus XP EACH too, which has to be insane for this run. That'd do something like TRIPLE the yield!
Indeed, that was an insane change for this heist! It went from 15,000 base XP reward for all objectives & heist completion, to 15K + 39K for all loot. Insane buff!
Very very good objection! Although here's a simple counter-argument: Car Shop was very very short, so the possibility of just placing a few ECMs very quickly trivialized the heist because there was just a short 60s hack and then the loud part. That's why the devs quickly noticed they needed to add an ECM block! Shackle on the other hand is considerably longer, so from the point of view of the general community, the devs didn't feel like this one needed to be changed :D
@@TheSubliminalCriminal That's very weird Clotted! I did this rush last week, and the latest update was 1 month ago, so it should still work! Perhaps it's some of your mods messing with it? I've seen some mods removing ECM blocks on heists like Yacht Heist, so it wouldn't be too strange...
True true! It's ONLY stealth because of a technicality. While the game counts it as "stealth", it's like a middle point towards loud. Almost like a third way to play the heists: because as you say the gameplay, and often the strategies, are completely different :D
@@Marcmb Thanks, but i just wanna try. With my friend we failed 5 or 10 and he become mad. He just not like stealth heist and i have little problem with stealth, but some practice and all of what should be easy. P.S. See your video from Murky Station. Really cool and smart. Only thing i know about boat escape scenario - you can just throw bugs into the water and they respawn over the fence. I use that trick from my first no-kill try, but he work only if fence fully covered.
I thought this was impossible. The zip line seemed way too slow. Im just gonna go and assume all stealthable heists can be ecm rushed if ur on the team dare i say loud only too
It was definitely very close Dreamer! Just a few seconds left after all the optimizations we found. Quite a fun challenge, for sure! And some of the future rushes will be even closer :D
Haha indeed, it was a losing battle... but they bravely decided to fight anyway! :p PS. In the video which premieres in about 5 minutes, there's one scene where I actually lose the ping battle... really surprising!
Good request AcE! I don't wanna spoil too much, but there are some tricks to make that one perhaps barely possible... we're working on a few ECM rush projects simultaneously, so I don't know for sure which one will be next, but eventually I'll get to it for sure!
Very interesting Alt! I knew some of the things that the mod displays, but I didn't know about the zipline timer. Is the mod accurate enough to know that the northwest zipline is faster than any of the other three, by about ~3.2 seconds?
@@Marcmb it just measures the time a zipline is scripted to go to and back, it has timers for total + trip forward it works on custom heists so I'm assuming yes
0:55 Hummmm i think maybe by using only the zipline for heavy and throwing down the lighter loot and do a throw chain to get all on the van. During the 10 sec. I don't know the heist i'm still doing the story mode.
That would be a good guess, Saibot, but there's no van to secure loot on this heist! So the majority of the bags have to be secured by using the zipline.
I would love that! Sadly the devs have confirmed that they don't have too much manpower to be releasing classics at this stage (especially since the precedent is classics being free), so that is unlikely to happen for a while...
Hey Damien, thanks for the suggestion! That one will be coming in the future, although my current plan is to start with the guides for "common stealth", because I feel like those will be useful to a wider range of heisters... stay tuned for this one too though!
Hey retro! I assume you mean "dominate", because "converting" can't be done in stealth. With that said, there's nothing stopping you from doing that, so as long as each team member dominates a different guard, you'll be fine. The maximum number of dominated guards you can have simultaneously is 4 + number of real players in the crew. For an example of multiple simultaneous dominations, I recommend checking the White House ECM rush video!
I see. In that case, the maximum number of converts is 2 _per player._ This means that, even if you have 4 players converting enemies at the same time, the outcome doesn't change: it's still 2 max per player, so there's no unintended result!
Yacht heist could be ecm rushed, but once tou get to the servers the button objectives aren't available while ECMs are active. I suggest using PCMs between each server? Edit: I call pecms PCMs since it's just one letter shorter to type
Hey JackOfAllTrades! The buttons in the Yacht server room are locked regardless of whether you use ECMs or PCMs. The only viable strategy is to go for the point of no return; basically what we showcased on the rush video!
Sometimes I wish I had a full squad that’s in tune enough with me to pull this off. It’s amazing being a new player and seeing pros pull these things off On a side note, what’s the name of the hud mod? Knowing my sprint meter and ecm timer would be extremely useful
Thanks Aureum! Glad you're having fun watching these rushes :) Our Steam community has a few groups for this kind of thing! As for the HUD, you can find my mod list video in the description, with the proper download links and also install instructions if you need!
You think you can turn the Leech perk deck into a stealth one because of the self-revive mechanic gor some heist to just jump down on a pit and revive yourself.
Very true Saibot! Unfortunately you give up the PCMs, so it has limited applications for crew ECM rushing, but there are some heists where the self-revive is amazing!
@@Marcmb There is the option of using an out of bounds clip on golden grin to upwarp into the vault within moments of starting the heist, though sometimes it just warps you to the nearest player if you aren't solo.
@@jennyxj-9296 Yup! Basically like the speedrun I linked yesterday, very useful for speed in such situations. Unfortunately out-of-bounds strategies don't really work in multiplayer... but there are some reliable strats to get around that too!
Hey retro! I mostly do stealth only, but after I'm done with all the stealth guides, I might do short videos with the tricks I learnt for each loud heist while I was getting the DSOD mask... really far in the future though!
Definitely quite a few tarramas, although we weren't counting! A few mistakes because nerves causing PCMs to not be placed :p luckily those were quite fast restarts! Once we got through that first PCM cycle it all went very smooth: very efficient bagging, and good progress towards the challenge!
Shame you need two RNGs to go right to get all loot. Unlikely to be worth rushing compared to other extended rushes after you get it the first time for the achievement
You're absolutely correct Lucid Dream! This one is mostly for the challenge, especially considering that there's no XP reward for any of the additional artifacts, which is a shame. Maybe it will be different if the devs add a bit of bonus XP to the additional loot for this heist!
@@Marcmb Golden Grin also doesn't yield any XP for the money bags, and, if I remember correctly, The Diamond museum artifacts also don't (correct me if I'm wrong). And, despite people requesting for a long time, Overkill never added the XP reward. I doubt that will be different in this case. And, talking about the random chances of spawning, RNG modifier exists to tailor the heist to one's needs. Even though meant for speedrunning, it does not mean you can't use it to save a couple restarts if you need to. However, due to its nature, it could be put on par with Silent Assassin. Heists such as Big Bank might become too easy.
Hey le pyramid! The color is metallic blue, although I'm not 100% sure what the exact name is ingame. I'll check it later when I log in, and edit this comment!
Yup it's a shame that console is missing a lot of content compared to PC... As for the ECMs, they are a lot more fun to master when you have a big community of rushers so that you can put those skills to use in the harder rushes, but that's hard to find on console...
Very interesting question! I've never tested it because it's really hard to find uses for sentry guns in stealth, but I'm writing it down to cover that in the future! Thanks for the cool question Rollo!
Very good point jack! You did in fact change Bob's and h3ll's roles because of their ping difference, which was slowing down the zipline quite a bit. The fastest option would indeed have been having the host ziplining, but then the footage would've been a bit repetitive so we decided to continue with the same roles :p
Hahaha! I haven't had a chance to look at the numbers (like average artifacts secured until the moment the black tablet is ready to be delivered), but this heist is definitely a lot better than it used to be! :D
Hahaha sorry about that Squwancher! But good to see you're still around :) The video premieres *TOMORROW* so it literally is almost here! Hopefully you can wait for it just a tiny bit :D
Hey Kanzas! That is the Locomotive 12G. The "saw build" video in the description has a section with my weapons, where the shotgun and all its modifications are shown!
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the fact that this was mostly possible because someone at OVK made one zipline faster than the other three is just marvellous
Haha yup! Good old OVK adding in unintended features and easter eggs to make some challenges possible :p
Glad you liked it, ent!
Look ma, I'm internet famous! This was a lot of fun, and a good idea for a challenge.
Thanks for participating on this one Jenny! Looking forward to your PoV tomorrow :)
Big respect for this man that came up and done those hardcore stealth challenges with ecm rushes
Thank you F0x, this was really fun to do, aiming for the perfect run with 39 artifacts _all ziplined._ Glad you liked it! :D
I can't believe it. If you make it, you should officialy have your place in PayDay 2 as an easter egg
Thanks Jurekis! We'll see if it's possible tomorrow, I can't spoil it :p
No matter how you look at it, 39 bags are a lot of bags, and considering how slow the ziplines are... we'll see how it goes! Haha :D
Normally I'm against ECM rushing as it tends to ruin the feel of stealth. But this and some of the other full team rushes I've seen from you are amazing. Nicely done
That's great to hear Zylo, thank you very much! I agree that "cheap" ECM rushing (like salvaging messy situations that should've led to failure) is painful to watch... I'm glad that you've been enjoying these challenges, I appreciate it a lot!
0:38 reading the word "Old Heist" as a console player really puts things into perspective lmao if ONLY we could play this too
I did try stealthing it a bit on PC at least so there's that but damn 39 bags?! I had no idea..i can't even imagine how painfullllll it is to solo with full loot
To put this into perspective, it makes the heist slower than just solo stealthing the Big Bank since the objectives can take longer and the guard pathing will always have 4 guards upstairs, so you either kill 3 guards thereand the camera operator and have to cover the areas in C4 or you kill all 4 and PECM to rush past cams whenever you need to walk by certain spots. Not ideal, especially because it gives nowhere near good XP or money. Only reason to grab all 39 is to flex on people.
@@grimjudgment6527 Mmmm i see so it's kinda one you do for fun like GGC and just go for the main loot
Hey there Alex! I feel like it's been a while :D Someone else mentioned a similar thing, and it made me realize that it's really old for me, but really new in terms of storyline, and not even available on console... truly a shame.
Glad that you had a chance to try it on your PC account! It does indeed take a long time to get all loot, and just as *@Grim Judgment* mentions, it's worthless because there's no bonus XP for the artifacts. Definitely go for main only, unless you wanna flex for this timed challenge!
@@Marcmb Yep it's been a while! Glad you're officially back with us ehe I'm personally totally fine with playing Payday 2 on my PS4 but man oh man I just can't wait to get my hands on Payday 3 and see all the new content that's going to come out of it, fingers crossed for a good launch! 🤞
@@LegoAlex99 Hopefully PD3 has cross platform because I'd love to be able to interact with the console playerbase since they deserve a lot of love after having to deal with the botched updates since the beginning. I've always repeatedly said that I would never buy PD3 on any platform if they screw over console players again because that was really bad for the life of Payday as a whole. Luckily after Bo Anderson has left Starbreeze, OVK seems to be making a lot better decisions though. I still sometimes ironically wear my StarVR mask and grab my Lucille and play with WW2 weapons to commemorate Raid WW2.
Between you and I? Selling the rights to DbD was also a bad decision. Not having BE be under Starbreeze lost them so much money.
meanwhile in regular stealth...
This zip line is so damn slow.
Meanwhile in an ecm rush...
ZIP LINE IF YOU DO NOT GO FASTER I WILL GO TO YOUR FACTORY AND DESTROY EVERY ZIP LINE THERE.
Haha pretty much! The zipline makes a huge difference on this one. The entire challenge was bottlenecked by the zipline speed!
Locke just goes: "This facking zip line is so slow!!, y'know what friends, set up a few more."
It would be absolutely amazing if you could do that :D
@@Marcmb well with mods we can make that work!
The modding community: *Non-existent*
I went into this video full of skepticism and you made me a believer
Haha thanks Niicko! At first it definitely seemed impossible to get all 39 bags (because of the zipline speed), but in the end we found a way! Welcome to the Believers :p
Here's a challenge. Do the easiest stealth enemy swipe for Firestarter day 1 with a 4 man team. 😊
Hey arif! New profile picture?
That could be a cool suggestion: I definitely want to make a solo guide first, but if I ever have a full crew interested in it, I could go for that! :D
@@Marcmb I would be interested. But oh well. I didn't do a lot of PAYDAY 2 for some time. I am finally able to explore any title I want so I am a bit off...
I didn't think it was possible... but once again, you show me wrong! Outsanding work! Keep it up, it's amazing to see you pulling this things off
Thank you very much Héctor! Glad you've been enjoying the challenge videos :) I'll do my best to keep making interesting ones!
Just amazing, you guys are great! Just as Locke said, beautiful work!
Thank you very much Sebas! Beautiful work indeed, it seemed impossible on paper, but thankfully one of the ziplines is considerably faster than the other 3! :D
Great Job Marc! Always a pleasure seeing you pull of these batshit insane strats
Thank you Soviet! At first the challenge seemed mathematically impossible because of the zipline speed, but thankfully in the end we were able to pull through! Glad you're liking these rushes :D
Next payday update: "In Shacklethorne Auction, made the keypad, laptop, and security boxes jammed by ecms"
Hahaha! If they do that, they better add 1,250 base XP per secured artifact too! :D
i missed the premiere! D: either way this is very impressive, congrats
No worries alexndr! Glad the rushw as impressive, thank you! That's a lot more important than the premiere itself :p
Great Video! Really makes me get back to payday and ECM rushing (Which I will), looking forward to joining lobbies and help out in videos if need be.
On the calculations i did it was actually 8.5 seconds and it was by chance the one whcih is waster by 3 seconds! The game is buggy as always with the zipline, They should really add a asset like a dumpster to secure the bags..
Thank you very much Xenon! Glad you liked it :)
Looking forward to your return to the daily lobbies! For now I'm a bit too busy, but they will be returning in a few weeks (both early morning, and evening sometimes too).
I noticed that your calculations happened to be with the fast zipline yup! 25% chance, very lucky :D
And I suggested a dumpster/van or extra secure points a few months ago, but the devs didn't see it :(
Great Job marc, i was just learning how to do the stealth a couple of days ago and you already have an ecm rush guide. Amazing!
Thank you very much Ivan! Glad you liked the rush, and best of luck with your regular stealth runs :D
@@Marcmb Thanks and gl trying to ecm rush some of the new black cat heists, looking forward to it
That one in particular is going to be amazing! You'll see :p
wonder what the result will be...
No matter the outcome, it was great fun!
Who knows, who knows! 39 bags are a lot with those slow ziplines, so hopefully there was some trick to it, or maybe we just tried our best but failed the true challenge... we'll see tomorrow! :p
Either way it was a lot of fun for sure!
@Helmut Helmut how do you type these new emojis! Teach me :D
If I try to copy paste it, I just get elbowcough :(
@@Marcmb You can use the smiley button directly below the text field
Oooh thanks kotzpenner! I guess you're commenting from mobile then, because there's no smiley button on PC. Very good to know!
@@Marcmb no I did on PC also. Weird
Little late to the vid. My thought for the poll was that it would incredibly close. Also love that you and hellcruzzer were having a contest of who could hit f faster.
No worries Chandler! It was indeed very very close, even with the fastest zipline.
The ping competition was great :p very simple stuff, but very entertaining for those who understand just how "unbalanced" (or "host-favored") it was :D
"huh! impressive!" Couldn't have said it better myself.
if you keep this up, i'm gonna run out of ways to credit you for your work!
I couldn't believe it when I saw it myself! I was starting to believe it was mathematically impossible to zipline all 39 bags within 6 minutes.
Glad you're enjoying the content Dark, I appreciate it a lot :)
Can't wait for the White house secret ecm rush.
That one will be a very interesting one vanced, definitely stay tuned! :D
gg guys mlg as always ! i hope canada went well for you ! glad to see you back heisting ;)
Thank you Falcon! Glad you liked this one :)
Canada went really really well, and it's great to be back. Now I have more time to work on more complex projects, which is great :D
Breakin feds ecm rush should be good, the shotgun launching is the main one
I agree! Breakin' Feds is also a very cool one. Definitely let the host take care of the launching though, wouldn't want the run to be completely doomed because of some desync with client launches :p
@@Marcmb yeah thats mainly dependent on ping and connection distance, I can tell when i played with someone from america(im from aus) with good connection but noticed some bag desync
Yup, _sometimes_ it works flawlessly with low ping, but just in case for that rush in particular it's definitely safest to let the host take care of it :D
Ok I didn't account for SW and I didn't know about that zipline good job once again
Glad you liked the new info tterminitte! Indeed, the fast zipline was the key to this challenge. Kinda cool! :D
ItWasBob best pecm rusher in 2022
Facts! Also his birthday today, so happy birthday Bob!
Happy birthday Bob! I wish you all the best!🤗🤗🤗
Epic, maybe I'll join for some runs!
Thanks a lot Green, glad you liked this challenge! You're always welcome to join for any runs :)
you can't really call shacklethorne an "old heist" when it released so close to payday's original ending, it's more so overkill gave up on preventing heists from being ecm-rushed. regardless, great video!
Very true Subsidiary! I had completely forgotten about that detail: the heist came out years ago, so in my mind I automatically classified it as "old" :p
At least it's good to see that, for 90% of the new heists (starting with the Silk Road campaign), the devs are adding anti-ECM rush mechanics to all heists: most can still be bypassed with enough preparation, but it makes it more tricky and more interesting!
Glad you liked the video too, thank you :)
aww my bad, I missed the premire. anyway good video, probably one of your best so far.
Bruh you frogot to comment:“Good👍“ :D
No worries Source! Glad you liked the challenge, that's more important than the premiere itself! :D
@Helmut True we didn't have Helmut on this one :(
@@Marcmb I was just too fast for helmut. :)
11:11 oh noooooo xD
Hahaah! To be fair, the leg shot was quite tricky. I'm giving myself credit for getting it after only 3 attempts! 3rd time's the charm, as they say :p
Holymoly well played!
Thank you very much voll! Glad you liked it :)
Ask and you shall receive: in U222 Overkill finally gave us bonus XP for extra bags on a bunch of heists, including Shacklethorne! 1000 bonus XP EACH too, which has to be insane for this run. That'd do something like TRIPLE the yield!
Indeed, that was an insane change for this heist! It went from 15,000 base XP reward for all objectives & heist completion, to 15K + 39K for all loot. Insane buff!
Nicely done
Thank you Ali! Glad you liked it :)
you guys seem capable of doing anything with PCM's, but can you do the secret with PCM's?
Very good question Brendon! That video in particular will be very interesting, so stay tuned :p
"Being an old heist, none of the objectives are interrupted by ecm"
Objection! The car shop is even older yet it gets interrupted :)
Very very good objection! Although here's a simple counter-argument: Car Shop was very very short, so the possibility of just placing a few ECMs very quickly trivialized the heist because there was just a short 60s hack and then the loud part. That's why the devs quickly noticed they needed to add an ECM block!
Shackle on the other hand is considerably longer, so from the point of view of the general community, the devs didn't feel like this one needed to be changed :D
@@Marcmb fair point!
@@Soundwave1900 Little did the devs know, any heist with a duration of 6 minutes or less can easily be ECM rushed with a full crew :p
@@Marcmb pretty sure this has been patched. the keypad wont work with ecms
@@TheSubliminalCriminal That's very weird Clotted! I did this rush last week, and the latest update was 1 month ago, so it should still work!
Perhaps it's some of your mods messing with it? I've seen some mods removing ECM blocks on heists like Yacht Heist, so it wouldn't be too strange...
tbh ecm rushes kinda give me anxiety, i mean, gunshots, alot of alerted guards and civillians, but *technically* still stealthing the heist.
True true! It's ONLY stealth because of a technicality. While the game counts it as "stealth", it's like a middle point towards loud. Almost like a third way to play the heists: because as you say the gameplay, and often the strategies, are completely different :D
That heist takes 51 minutes at my life, not cost failure, but i get that solo. Spawn pattern security boxes ruined me five times. 😢
Hey dezert! If you're playing solo, I would recommend getting less loot probably, it can get very repetitive alone...
@@Marcmb Thanks, but i just wanna try. With my friend we failed 5 or 10 and he become mad. He just not like stealth heist and i have little problem with stealth, but some practice and all of what should be easy. P.S. See your video from Murky Station. Really cool and smart. Only thing i know about boat escape scenario - you can just throw bugs into the water and they respawn over the fence. I use that trick from my first no-kill try, but he work only if fence fully covered.
I thought this was impossible. The zip line seemed way too slow. Im just gonna go and assume all stealthable heists can be ecm rushed if ur on the team dare i say loud only too
It was definitely very close Dreamer! Just a few seconds left after all the optimizations we found. Quite a fun challenge, for sure! And some of the future rushes will be even closer :D
Imagine playing ping battle with the host.)
Haha indeed, it was a losing battle... but they bravely decided to fight anyway! :p
PS. In the video which premieres in about 5 minutes, there's one scene where I actually lose the ping battle... really surprising!
Can you try ECM rushing Scarface mansion next??
Good request AcE! I don't wanna spoil too much, but there are some tricks to make that one perhaps barely possible... we're working on a few ECM rush projects simultaneously, so I don't know for sure which one will be next, but eventually I'll get to it for sure!
@@Marcmb nice!
the Extra Heist Info mod shows timers for ziplines
Very interesting Alt! I knew some of the things that the mod displays, but I didn't know about the zipline timer. Is the mod accurate enough to know that the northwest zipline is faster than any of the other three, by about ~3.2 seconds?
@@Marcmb it just measures the time a zipline is scripted to go to and back, it has timers for total + trip forward
it works on custom heists so I'm assuming yes
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Hummmm i think maybe by using only the zipline for heavy and throwing down the lighter loot and do a throw chain to get all on the van. During the 10 sec. I don't know the heist i'm still doing the story mode.
That would be a good guess, Saibot, but there's no van to secure loot on this heist! So the majority of the bags have to be secured by using the zipline.
This heist should be added to payday 3
I would love that! Sadly the devs have confirmed that they don't have too much manpower to be releasing classics at this stage (especially since the precedent is classics being free), so that is unlikely to happen for a while...
Dang
Could you do a Ultimate stealth guide on "fire starter" day 1 ,stealth does not serve any purpose but its really hard and is so a good challenge.
Hey Damien, thanks for the suggestion! That one will be coming in the future, although my current plan is to start with the guides for "common stealth", because I feel like those will be useful to a wider range of heisters... stay tuned for this one too though!
ı have a questtion
what happens when you try to convert 4 enemies at the same time?
Hey retro! I assume you mean "dominate", because "converting" can't be done in stealth.
With that said, there's nothing stopping you from doing that, so as long as each team member dominates a different guard, you'll be fine. The maximum number of dominated guards you can have simultaneously is 4 + number of real players in the crew.
For an example of multiple simultaneous dominations, I recommend checking the White House ECM rush video!
@@Marcmb you right but ı don't talk about stealh in loud max convert is 2 but if you do same time is it possible to convert 4 swat member
I see. In that case, the maximum number of converts is 2 _per player._ This means that, even if you have 4 players converting enemies at the same time, the outcome doesn't change: it's still 2 max per player, so there's no unintended result!
@@Marcmb thank you so much
god damn you, you beautiful bastard for doing this
:D Glad you liked it amzy, you're welcome! :p
Yacht heist could be ecm rushed, but once tou get to the servers the button objectives aren't available while ECMs are active. I suggest using PCMs between each server?
Edit: I call pecms PCMs since it's just one letter shorter to type
Marc already has a video on the yacht ECM rush: ruclips.net/video/qP0hpG3u2gI/видео.html
Hey JackOfAllTrades! The buttons in the Yacht server room are locked regardless of whether you use ECMs or PCMs. The only viable strategy is to go for the point of no return; basically what we showcased on the rush video!
5:57 Hey! He was first here, why u stole his zipline? XD
:D Host advantage!
Right afterwards he looked at me disappointed because he wanted the zipline himself :p
Sometimes I wish I had a full squad that’s in tune enough with me to pull this off. It’s amazing being a new player and seeing pros pull these things off
On a side note, what’s the name of the hud mod? Knowing my sprint meter and ecm timer would be extremely useful
Thanks Aureum! Glad you're having fun watching these rushes :) Our Steam community has a few groups for this kind of thing!
As for the HUD, you can find my mod list video in the description, with the proper download links and also install instructions if you need!
You think you can turn the Leech perk deck into a stealth one because of the self-revive mechanic gor some heist to just jump down on a pit and revive yourself.
Very true Saibot! Unfortunately you give up the PCMs, so it has limited applications for crew ECM rushing, but there are some heists where the self-revive is amazing!
@@Marcmb There is the option of using an out of bounds clip on golden grin to upwarp into the vault within moments of starting the heist, though sometimes it just warps you to the nearest player if you aren't solo.
@@jennyxj-9296 Yup! Basically like the speedrun I linked yesterday, very useful for speed in such situations. Unfortunately out-of-bounds strategies don't really work in multiplayer... but there are some reliable strats to get around that too!
hello will be there video about the bomb:forest?
Hey retro! I mostly do stealth only, but after I'm done with all the stealth guides, I might do short videos with the tricks I learnt for each loud heist while I was getting the DSOD mask... really far in the future though!
@@Marcmb thanks
i want to know how many fail runs you had there
Definitely quite a few tarramas, although we weren't counting! A few mistakes because nerves causing PCMs to not be placed :p luckily those were quite fast restarts! Once we got through that first PCM cycle it all went very smooth: very efficient bagging, and good progress towards the challenge!
We didn't keep track of attempts, but timewise I think it took us about 3 hours from sitting down together to getting The Run.
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Thank you very much jjpower! Glad you liked it :D
Shame you need two RNGs to go right to get all loot. Unlikely to be worth rushing compared to other extended rushes after you get it the first time for the achievement
You're absolutely correct Lucid Dream! This one is mostly for the challenge, especially considering that there's no XP reward for any of the additional artifacts, which is a shame. Maybe it will be different if the devs add a bit of bonus XP to the additional loot for this heist!
@@Marcmb Golden Grin also doesn't yield any XP for the money bags, and, if I remember correctly, The Diamond museum artifacts also don't (correct me if I'm wrong). And, despite people requesting for a long time, Overkill never added the XP reward. I doubt that will be different in this case. And, talking about the random chances of spawning, RNG modifier exists to tailor the heist to one's needs. Even though meant for speedrunning, it does not mean you can't use it to save a couple restarts if you need to. However, due to its nature, it could be put on par with Silent Assassin. Heists such as Big Bank might become too easy.
What colors do you use on your Locomotive? I'm interested because it looks sleek.
Hey le pyramid! The color is metallic blue, although I'm not 100% sure what the exact name is ingame. I'll check it later when I log in, and edit this comment!
Half of these are completely impossible for me to even do because I’m on Xbox (aaaaaa) but also I just don’t have motivation to try and perfect ECMs
Yup it's a shame that console is missing a lot of content compared to PC...
As for the ECMs, they are a lot more fun to master when you have a big community of rushers so that you can put those skills to use in the harder rushes, but that's hard to find on console...
@@Marcmb here’s to payday 3?
Myth: do sentry gun crit with lowblow???
Very interesting question! I've never tested it because it's really hard to find uses for sentry guns in stealth, but I'm writing it down to cover that in the future! Thanks for the cool question Rollo!
Wouldnt it be faster if host went ziplining from the start bc of ping*
Very good point jack! You did in fact change Bob's and h3ll's roles because of their ping difference, which was slowing down the zipline quite a bit. The fastest option would indeed have been having the host ziplining, but then the footage would've been a bit repetitive so we decided to continue with the same roles :p
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Hahaha! I haven't had a chance to look at the numbers (like average artifacts secured until the moment the black tablet is ready to be delivered), but this heist is definitely a lot better than it used to be! :D
what secondary does he use?
Hey Eco! My secondary is the Locomotive 12G, very useful stealth shotgun!
@@Marcmb ok thanks!
Bro how you gonna blue ball me with a title like that and I can’t even watch the vid😭
Hahaha sorry about that Squwancher! But good to see you're still around :)
The video premieres *TOMORROW* so it literally is almost here! Hopefully you can wait for it just a tiny bit :D
What primary are you using?
Locomotive 12G! My saw build in the description shows all the weapon mods too.
@@Marcmb and what HUD are you use?
Best way to find it is in the video description: I have a video with my full mod list, and their download links!
What shotgun u using?
Hey Kanzas! That is the Locomotive 12G. The "saw build" video in the description has a section with my weapons, where the shotgun and all its modifications are shown!
what mods do you use?
Hey Elijah! The description has a link to my modding video, which lists all my mods and their download links!
Walter
Walter likes monster trucks
:D The guy who always posts the Walter comment has been away for the last 3-4 weeks. Martin don't take over for him!!!
@@Marcmb but i got to keep his legacy alive :D
That's fair, I'm just a boomer so I don't get the meme even after learning what it's supposed to be :p
@@Marcmb DW! 99% of memes aren't funny anyways, so you're not missing out on much :D