@@Christian-Berger yeah I don’t get this. The trail runner will be $65K+. If it has cheap materials who is going to buy this? There are vehicles in that price range that have far better materials.
@hkfan4596 unfortunately people will still buy it and it will set the new standard for toyota. As much as I love the brand they're in it to make money and if they get away with such cost cutting they're going to continue
Thanks so much for discussing the plastic galore interior door panels. Basic sr5 trims of previous gens had soft touch galore. This is absolutely unacceptable in the trd “premium” builds and price point. Give me a break dude. Toyota is really cheapin out on the build quality and just hiking up the prices. It’s insane. People need to speak up! $60k for these trd premium 4Runners I bet and the plastic door panels is just ridiculous.
Not only are the cars cheapers both in and out, then the power units no one has asked for, at least in the offroad community, tiny fuel tanks to top it off... an LC first edition in canada is over 100K, give me a break!! The new 4runner is pretty much an UGLY LC, how much is that thing going to cost, plus it's just PLAIN ugly and cheaply made.
I like the textered fenders on the Off Road Taco's and LC 250 but man the color matched fenders just look right on the 4Runner. I swear they do this every generation of the 4Runner lol. They start out with textured fenders for offroad/trail edition trims then make all trims color matched and it's for the better. Early 4th gen sport trims had textured fenders too then moved to all color matched. The cycle repeats I suppose lol.
I own one of those 03 4runners with the large grey fenders. It's a cool unique style. Toyota should have kept that look. It's similar to the Rav 4 concept edition.
What’s with Toyota being cheap with soft touch materials? They don’t even give you power passenger seats on 50k vehicles. It’s pretty ridiculous how they option out these new tnga models. No other manufacturers skimp out like this. I really love the styling of these Toyotas but man they make it tough to justify paying these prices. Rant over
The body colored fender flares really make the rear door cut over the wheel arch way more pronounced. Not sure if I like it for that but otherwise I really like the aesthetics of the TRD Sport models.
I'm still hopeful that we will see at least one trim level offering a two-tone color. Also, I prefer matte black on any of the trim pieces. My biggest thing though, is the MPG on both gas and hybrid. My decision will be based on that. They all look really good, but since we will have 9 trim levels to choose from, that will help narrow it down,lol.
The sport looks nice for a on-road vehicle. I love the wheels. You’re right though, that door panel belongs on an SR. Every grade above it should have a nicer material.
The plastic isn't limited to the interior. Trucks and SUVs should have steel bumpers. Also, there's a bunch of 24' Tacoma owners complaining about the paint job. For starters, there's dirt in the paint. On some spots, there's missing clearcoat. My state oil and chips roads. Plus, we have winters. My rear painted plastic fender flares are all chipped up, and the vehicle hasn't been off pavement yet. Or seen any road salt either. I've had my Tacoma at the dealership on November 7th, and they clay barred a couple spots. On November 9th and 10th, I took the Tacoma to two very reputable autobody shops and a high-end hotrod shop. All three places said, "The entire vehicle needs stripped, prepped, repainted, and clearcoated." They were even nice enough to map out my entire truck. Went back to the Toyota dealership on November 13th. Talked to the sales and service managers. They set up a second meeting with the Toyota Rep on November 21st, at 8:30 am. The first time, the rep was an hour late, the second time, two and a half hours late. This guy is a dick! He wants to half-ass the fix. I called 1-800-LEMONLAW. They took the case! It was documented that the vehicle was there 3Xs and to three expert repair shops. I was willing to work with Toyota, but no more. I already bought another vehicle, and it is not a Toyota. The first trail date is set for the middle of January. The case was expedited because of the severity of the flaw.....
Looks great! Excited to see one witgout a lower valiance, leveled off, some nice rims and tires. Nice jov Toyota! Will prob buy a 5 seat limited or platinum for the wife.
The pricing for the 4R will definitely make or break the company, especially since tacoma sales have dropped by at least 25%. With them delaying the 4R release, they better hope they learned from the tacoma. I have no issues with the new engine and companies wanting to cheap out on materials and build quality, just price the vehicles accordingly and realistically to what youre putting out. LC pricing is another prime example that toyota should learn from. 55K+ for barebones 1958 "base model" is highway robbery.
Gotta say I like the wheel fenders that match the body color over the gloss black fenders. I know it’s the sport version but put some KO3’s on her and some TRD wheels would be my choice. Hopefully Toyota will add more soft touch interior parts as the 6th Gen goes through its updates over its lifespan. Also not liking the 4Runner lettering on the rear gate. Less is better.
Yes! I've been waiting on this. This is the one that me and my dad are getting with the hybrid. Edit: If the hybrid isn't offered with the TRD Sport, then me and my dad will get the TRD Off Road, or whatever trim that's the cheapest with the hybrid.
TRD Sport didn't make sense in the 5th gen lineup because an SR5 Premium a better choice. Now 6th gen there's no SR5 premium, TRD Sport is going to make sense for someone who wants to upgrade from barebone SR5 but not ready to go all out on bells and whistles
Hey Jon, glad to see a Zonk appearance in the comments section of Raiti's Rides, haha. I will say that even though he zonked the fake vent on the front of the 4runner, it's almost non visible compared to what's on the tacoma
I was at the LA auto show and sat in the trd pro then this one and the difference in quality was noticeable in the interior which was a bummer lots of hard plastic
I still don’t know if I like the 4Runner better than my 21 SR5 premium. That I hardly ever drive thanks to the wife. Not a fan of the front end of the big wheels. Maybe it’ll grown on me in a few years.
Thanks Jon, you didn’t say anything about why you’re holding a Hot Wheels in your hand, is it just a mic holder? BTW, It’s called Premium because you’re paying for Premium Plastic 😂. I hope they fix that zonk!
I think it will take a while for all of us to realize that prices are much higher now for EVERYTHING AND for ALL CARS. Then we will stop commenting on it. I am afraid these comments are not relevant anymore…. 4-cyl engine comments are legit imho.
Terrible apologist take. Toyota does not HAVE to be this expensive. They are choosing it. There are many ways they could cut costs and offer simpler and more basic, but quality packages that would sell. Stop making excuses for every company that does this, just cause others do it. If EVERYTHING is expensive, than one of the few companies that is NOT expensive would still do well because they would get all the business. If people already can't afford things, the more affordable quality cars would sell like hot cakes.
Manual HVAC on a “Premium Package”? Lol. It at least looks better with the color matched fender flares and door handles when compared to other trim levels with the black flares… and especially the gloss black flares.
@@TRDJon Let me clarify, poor choice of words on my part, but it doesn’t appear to be dual zone on this particularly equipped “premium package”. Perhaps I am missing something.
I like the sport. It's cheaper & only 2wd, for people in the south that never need 4wd. And it drives more like a sporty SUV. I would buy the TRD Pro Fenders flares & bumper piece to make it look unique.
The new gen 4 runner looks good the more we see it but the toyota we don’t understand now is why would u put a shitty 4 cylinder on a good looking suv like that ..
Is it growing on me yet? In a word, No. It's ugly, uninspired, and cheap looking. This is like the Windows 8 of car redesigns. I can tell you this, the 7th Gen is not going to be 15 years from now, more like 3 years.
Jon, I’m a big fan of your videos, however, I think you are giving Toyota too much credit. The Tacoma‘s are not selling very well. They are starting to offer for six to $8000 discounts. They are piling up at dealers. They expect they may sell 170 K this year when they normally sell around 250 K. The prices are simply too expensive… I know you’re very pro Toyota, as am I I have a 21 pro and a 24 off-road premium forerunner… But I’m disgusted with their pricing and cheapening of the vehicles. Please acknowledge that. Thanks.
I have if you have watched videos. I even say in this one how cheap it looks. I just don’t make rant videos like others here on RUclips for clicks. I just tell it how it is. All the Tacomas sitting are Sr and sr5. Still nowhere near the numbers on the lot pre covid. People soon to forget that having options to choose from is a good thing. Also, 8K off??? Who is complaining about that?! That’s a good deal.
Fair enough… I’m just concerned about the quality… I am a forerunner fan having owned four of them over the years and the current two that I own now… I’m skeptical of the four-cylinder, I don’t like the floors that cannot fold all the way flat, etc.… And I just think the prices are way too high. Still like your videos I guess we can agree to disagree on the pricing. Thanks.
The whole thing with "soft touch" complaining is lame. If you want soft touch, buy a highlander. If you want want an SUV that will have an interior that looks the same in 10 years as it looks now, buy a 4runner with as few delicate materials as possible. I've never owned a 4runner or Toyota truck for less than 10 years, and have always been impressed with the how the interiors have held up over time. But the soft areas are the ones you have to constantly worry about if you have kids or dogs.
Lack of a full flat cargo floor is a huge negative for me! Otherwise, the new 6th gen looks ok, but seems long in that front end ‘nose’…Thanks for this update.
If you care about longevity and reliability over power and MPG, the 4-cylinder turbo is a real disappointment. I also don’t prefer 20” wheels on an off-roader. Give me 17” wheels with larger tires. Gloss black everywhere going to be a scratch magnet. Interior looks cheap. Don’t need all the tech widgets that break and drive up costs. Just don’t like the direction Toyota is going with their new trucks. Too expensive and focusing on the wrong things.
Not sure how the engine can be a disappointment yet since it's relatively new so no one has really been able to validate that outside of Toyota themselves. My only anecdote to share is that I have a 2015 2.0T Ford with 90k miles that has been absolutely flawless so far. I can easily see it going another 10 years without anything major. I'd hope that Toyota has improved on that further still being this engine is 10 years newer in design than my Fords is. So maybe, just maybe, it's not as bad as the internets FUD would have you believe.
@@ALMX5DPIn general, a turbo charged (non-diesel) engine puts much more pressure on the internals and reduces longevity. It will probably be fine for 10 years, 100K miles with proper maintenance, but the odds of getting a 25+ years, 300K+ miles life cycle is less likely than with a port injected NA V6. Most folks don’t keep vehicles this long anymore, so the 4-banger turbo is actually probably better suited for today’s throw-away society.
@@bluedevil0111 using terms like "in general" are really no help and only fuel FUD on the interwebs. Engines designed for positive boost pressure are exactly that, designed for it. Sure they may not last as long as a 25 year old naturally aspirated engine design with low(er) compression but when compared with modern emissions meeting engines (even NA ones) I'd think that "in general" they would all perform similarly. And I am not sure why the "most folks dont keep vehicles this long" reference is even relevant here. If you are the type of person to keep something longer, nothing is stopping you from fixing and maintaining a vehicle for however long it is you want to keep it running. I'm sure there are tons of 20-30-40+ year old turbocharged vehicles that people have maintained to keep running even if many ignorant or "throw away" owners decided to scrap theirs.
@@ALMX5DP You make good points, and as a Toyota fan I hope that this powertrain proves to be a real winner. It feels like a gamble to go 4 cylinder turbocharged if your main reasons for buying are longevity and reliability. It may prove to be both, but there’s a reason I scooped up a ‘24 TRD ORP. I have other issues with the Gen 6: being built with thinner sheet metal using more adhesive instead of spot welding, thinner (cheaper) interior materials with less soft touch, reduced rear cargo space (esp. hybrid), and of course, the inevitable price inflation. As a company, Toyota seems to be straying from reliable, simple, proven, off road capable trucks with excellent build quality at reasonable prices to more complicated, unproven, and expensive vehicles. Time will tell. I hope they hold up because I’d like to buy another one (but not until 2044 or later… 😆).
Careful Jon, you keep telling the truth about these New Toyota products, and you will double your subscribers and lose your place at the Toyota table. ;)
Okay, I always hate the TRD Sport models because they're neutered for off road purposes... But those wheels are definitely the best looking wheels!
I agree. These wheels look sporty for sure!
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lol stop the bullshit these rims look like shit
Just like
The black queen arch’s
@trdjon finally! Not making excuses for toyota being overly cheap. 50k isnt cheap so neither should the materials
@@Christian-Berger yeah I don’t get this. The trail runner will be $65K+. If it has cheap materials who is going to buy this? There are vehicles in that price range that have far better materials.
@hkfan4596 unfortunately people will still buy it and it will set the new standard for toyota. As much as I love the brand they're in it to make money and if they get away with such cost cutting they're going to continue
Thanks so much for discussing the plastic galore interior door panels. Basic sr5 trims of previous gens had soft touch galore. This is absolutely unacceptable in the trd “premium” builds and price point. Give me a break dude. Toyota is really cheapin out on the build quality and just hiking up the prices. It’s insane. People need to speak up! $60k for these trd premium 4Runners I bet and the plastic door panels is just ridiculous.
Not only are the cars cheapers both in and out, then the power units no one has asked for, at least in the offroad community, tiny fuel tanks to top it off...
an LC first edition in canada is over 100K, give me a break!!
The new 4runner is pretty much an UGLY LC, how much is that thing going to cost, plus it's just PLAIN ugly and cheaply made.
Mans pumping out the content, way to be Jon!
Thanks brother!!!
I like the textered fenders on the Off Road Taco's and LC 250 but man the color matched fenders just look right on the 4Runner. I swear they do this every generation of the 4Runner lol. They start out with textured fenders for offroad/trail edition trims then make all trims color matched and it's for the better. Early 4th gen sport trims had textured fenders too then moved to all color matched. The cycle repeats I suppose lol.
I own one of those 03 4runners with the large grey fenders. It's a cool unique style. Toyota should have kept that look. It's similar to the Rav 4 concept edition.
What’s with Toyota being cheap with soft touch materials? They don’t even give you power passenger seats on 50k vehicles. It’s pretty ridiculous how they option out these new tnga models. No other manufacturers skimp out like this. I really love the styling of these Toyotas but man they make it tough to justify paying these prices.
Rant over
I agree with this. Which is why I wanted to make it a point in this video again to share
Toyota took a page out of the German auto brand pricing, everything 'a la carte' now
The sport looks better than the Off-road.
Glad you like it!
Right
This one does look pretty sweet. I always did like the hood scoop on the TRD off-road
The body colored fender flares really make the rear door cut over the wheel arch way more pronounced. Not sure if I like it for that but otherwise I really like the aesthetics of the TRD Sport models.
I can see that
Can't wait to show you all more of this in a few weeks! Check Out Our 6G 4Runner Forum: 6thgen4runner.com
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Looks good, as long as the price tag matches the previous gen TRD Sport
I'm still hopeful that we will see at least one trim level offering a two-tone color. Also, I prefer matte black on any of the trim pieces. My biggest thing though, is the MPG on both gas and hybrid. My decision will be based on that. They all look really good, but since we will have 9 trim levels to choose from, that will help narrow it down,lol.
I was really excited to buy the new 4Runner, but really wanted a flat cargo area. Everything else looks awesome.
The sport looks nice for a on-road vehicle. I love the wheels. You’re right though, that door panel belongs on an SR. Every grade above it should have a nicer material.
The plastic isn't limited to the interior. Trucks and SUVs should have steel bumpers. Also, there's a bunch of 24' Tacoma owners complaining about the paint job. For starters, there's dirt in the paint. On some spots, there's missing clearcoat. My state oil and chips roads. Plus, we have winters. My rear painted plastic fender flares are all chipped up, and the vehicle hasn't been off pavement yet. Or seen any road salt either. I've had my Tacoma at the dealership on November 7th, and they clay barred a couple spots. On November 9th and 10th, I took the Tacoma to two very reputable autobody shops and a high-end hotrod shop. All three places said, "The entire vehicle needs stripped, prepped, repainted, and clearcoated." They were even nice enough to map out my entire truck. Went back to the Toyota dealership on November 13th. Talked to the sales and service managers. They set up a second meeting with the Toyota Rep on November 21st, at 8:30 am. The first time, the rep was an hour late, the second time, two and a half hours late. This guy is a dick! He wants to half-ass the fix. I called 1-800-LEMONLAW. They took the case! It was documented that the vehicle was there 3Xs and to three expert repair shops. I was willing to work with Toyota, but no more. I already bought another vehicle, and it is not a Toyota. The first trail date is set for the middle of January. The case was expedited because of the severity of the flaw.....
The sport is the best look and bang for the buck. Considering 80% of runner owners don’t go off roading it’s not bad
Looks great! Excited to see one witgout a lower valiance, leveled off, some nice rims and tires.
Nice jov Toyota! Will prob buy a 5 seat limited or platinum for the wife.
Right on!
Awesome video dude 😊
Thanks for the visit
The pricing for the 4R will definitely make or break the company, especially since tacoma sales have dropped by at least 25%.
With them delaying the 4R release, they better hope they learned from the tacoma. I have no issues with the new engine and companies wanting to cheap out on materials and build quality, just price the vehicles accordingly and realistically to what youre putting out.
LC pricing is another prime example that toyota should learn from. 55K+ for barebones 1958 "base model" is highway robbery.
LCs are selling for invoice around me and still not selling.
Gotta say I like the wheel fenders that match the body color over the gloss black fenders. I know it’s the sport version but put some KO3’s on her and some TRD wheels would be my choice. Hopefully Toyota will add more soft touch interior parts as the 6th Gen goes through its updates over its lifespan. Also not liking the 4Runner lettering on the rear gate. Less is better.
Yes! I've been waiting on this. This is the one that me and my dad are getting with the hybrid.
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If the hybrid isn't offered with the TRD Sport, then me and my dad will get the TRD Off Road, or whatever trim that's the cheapest with the hybrid.
TRD Sport didn't make sense in the 5th gen lineup because an SR5 Premium a better choice. Now 6th gen there's no SR5 premium, TRD Sport is going to make sense for someone who wants to upgrade from barebone SR5 but not ready to go all out on bells and whistles
Makes sense!!!
Even the cheapest SR grade 2016-2023 Tacomas had soft touch upper door panels and armrests.
Probably going to be close to $60000 better have soft touch
To Toyota: Put in the 3.3L V6 Diesel from the LC300 or perish! ohhh NO hybrid shit
The Hilux or Fortuner will get it I believe
Hey Jon, glad to see a Zonk appearance in the comments section of Raiti's Rides, haha. I will say that even though he zonked the fake vent on the front of the 4runner, it's almost non visible compared to what's on the tacoma
Thanks Jon descent review
Better one coming in a few weeks!
The 4Runner placement in the rear looks like an afterthought
The good old blind with sun strike hood scoop
Where one has to use one’s hand as a sun shield😅
Are there 3rd row vents for ones with the 3rd row option. If not, it’s strange since LC has them and they don’t offer 3rd row.
They did such a great job with the back end. But the front is so ugly
I am just happy the 4runners still have a Rugged edge to them. ☺
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RIP= that wonderful durable V6 😢
Yep...it had a great 25 years lol
I like the front end better then the Tacoma, I wish the Tacoma didn’t have the fake vents
This looks better than other models. But still 🚮 💩 💩 5th gen way better
I’d probably go for a limited trim truck is too nice to take in the mud
I like Jon and all other Toyota RUclipsrs refuse to acknowledge the rear cargo are and how the seats dont lay even remotely flat.
Refuse? He has shown the interior and how the second row tumbles forward and shown the 3 row version that lays nearly flat.
Look at the limited with the third row. It only had a 1.5-inch gap. That's pretty flat to many of us.
I was at the LA auto show and sat in the trd pro then this one and the difference in quality was noticeable in the interior which was a bummer lots of hard plastic
I still don’t know if I like the 4Runner better than my 21 SR5 premium. That I hardly ever drive thanks to the wife. Not a fan of the front end of the big wheels. Maybe it’ll grown on me in a few years.
Really disappointed with the 4 cylinder turbo engine. My current 5th gen has 250k and ill be buying another used 5th gen.
Why does everything inside this car looks like it's swollen and puffy?
Thanks Jon, you didn’t say anything about why you’re holding a Hot Wheels in your hand, is it just a mic holder? BTW, It’s called Premium because you’re paying for Premium Plastic 😂. I hope they fix that zonk!
lol 😂 just a cool idea to hold my mic and keep people engaged. Thanks for watching!
I think it will take a while for all of us to realize that prices are much higher now for EVERYTHING AND for ALL CARS. Then we will stop commenting on it. I am afraid these comments are not relevant anymore…. 4-cyl engine comments are legit imho.
Terrible apologist take. Toyota does not HAVE to be this expensive. They are choosing it. There are many ways they could cut costs and offer simpler and more basic, but quality packages that would sell. Stop making excuses for every company that does this, just cause others do it. If EVERYTHING is expensive, than one of the few companies that is NOT expensive would still do well because they would get all the business. If people already can't afford things, the more affordable quality cars would sell like hot cakes.
Manual HVAC on a “Premium Package”? Lol.
It at least looks better with the color matched fender flares and door handles when compared to other trim levels with the black flares… and especially the gloss black flares.
Manual? There is an auto function but not sure what you mean.
@@TRDJon Let me clarify, poor choice of words on my part, but it doesn’t appear to be dual zone on this particularly equipped “premium package”. Perhaps I am missing something.
It should have dual climate. It is hard to see in the photos. I'll get a closer look for you all when I get my hands on it.
There are videos of this particular vehicle at the show and it’s clearly a single-zone control. Unless preproduction spec, but I’m not betting on it.
Rather the TRD Pro
The front of the new 4Runner is too long. It just doesn't look right.
Tacoma front end .Lost it's identity from looking unique.. 😑 meh looking... Lesser quality and a big price tag.. ☹️
1:41 that’s easy to fix, remove!
do they have the same engine as the other Toyotas they can't sell?
I see people posting every day on FB that they bought a new truck. But yes to answer
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The exterior gloss black, and interior overuse of plastic has to go.
Between the turbo and the notchy transformers look,I luke the New Passport better. And I have not owned anything but Toyotas for decades.
Comparing this to a passport is hilarious. Two different leagues
That model is not the premium! That model is the TRD Sport
the rear 4runner leters will be the first to go. those will be replaced by personal plates "4RUNNER", problem solved.
Looks like baby Sequoia. That'll be $70k
Too much plastic.. Toyota is cutting costs
I like the sport. It's cheaper & only 2wd, for people in the south that never need 4wd. And it drives more like a sporty SUV. I would buy the TRD Pro Fenders flares & bumper piece to make it look unique.
We need pricing. If Toyota prices this wrong, it will rot like Tacomas.
Didn't know tacomas were rotting lol.
@ on the 3 dealers around me they each have a bout 40 of them. They are lot rot. Overpriced, underperforming, poor quality perception.
40 in 3 dealers??? lol that’s nothing
@@TRDJonumm they are. Also now 25% more expensive with the Trump Mexico tariff.
He's not even in office yet. It is a threat that seems to be working for the caravan illegals heading this way.
Another Toyota model that will not be able to sell~
“Lot lizards”
Don’t buy this crap, only people really buying are people making over 100K and RUclipsrs lol
So buy ther SR5 for cheaper then. Don't have a poor mindset bro. Make it happen if you want it to happen.
The new gen 4 runner looks good the more we see it but the toyota we don’t understand now is why would u put a shitty 4 cylinder on a good looking suv like that ..
Doesnt seem like a "shitty" 4 cylinder to me..
What makes it shitty?
@@ALMX5DPThis guy’s brain doesn’t comprehend much more than “4 is smaller than 6, must be bad”
Your right
Read? I hope not. Let us know.
Is it growing on me yet? In a word, No. It's ugly, uninspired, and cheap looking. This is like the Windows 8 of car redesigns. I can tell you this, the 7th Gen is not going to be 15 years from now, more like 3 years.
Jon, I’m a big fan of your videos, however, I think you are giving Toyota too much credit. The Tacoma‘s are not selling very well. They are starting to offer for six to $8000 discounts. They are piling up at dealers. They expect they may sell 170 K this year when they normally sell around 250 K. The prices are simply too expensive… I know you’re very pro Toyota, as am I I have a 21 pro and a 24 off-road premium forerunner… But I’m disgusted with their pricing and cheapening of the vehicles. Please acknowledge that. Thanks.
I have if you have watched videos. I even say in this one how cheap it looks. I just don’t make rant videos like others here on RUclips for clicks. I just tell it how it is. All the Tacomas sitting are Sr and sr5. Still nowhere near the numbers on the lot pre covid. People soon to forget that having options to choose from is a good thing. Also, 8K off??? Who is complaining about that?! That’s a good deal.
Fair enough… I’m just concerned about the quality… I am a forerunner fan having owned four of them over the years and the current two that I own now… I’m skeptical of the four-cylinder, I don’t like the floors that cannot fold all the way flat, etc.… And I just think the prices are way too high. Still like your videos I guess we can agree to disagree on the pricing. Thanks.
Yea time will tell for sure with the engine. We will see. Hopefully proction modesl look a bit better.
I hate the rims. I wish they were all black
The new Toyota models are, frankly, quite disappointing.
Horrid all around. The 5th Gen is the pinnacle of the 4Runner platform. This is a downgrade in every sense of the word.
4 cylinder garbage
The whole thing with "soft touch" complaining is lame. If you want soft touch, buy a highlander. If you want want an SUV that will have an interior that looks the same in 10 years as it looks now, buy a 4runner with as few delicate materials as possible. I've never owned a 4runner or Toyota truck for less than 10 years, and have always been impressed with the how the interiors have held up over time. But the soft areas are the ones you have to constantly worry about if you have kids or dogs.
Lack of a full flat cargo floor is a huge negative for me! Otherwise, the new 6th gen looks ok, but seems long in that front end ‘nose’…Thanks for this update.
If you care about longevity and reliability over power and MPG, the 4-cylinder turbo is a real disappointment. I also don’t prefer 20” wheels on an off-roader. Give me 17” wheels with larger tires. Gloss black everywhere going to be a scratch magnet. Interior looks cheap. Don’t need all the tech widgets that break and drive up costs. Just don’t like the direction Toyota is going with their new trucks. Too expensive and focusing on the wrong things.
Not sure how the engine can be a disappointment yet since it's relatively new so no one has really been able to validate that outside of Toyota themselves. My only anecdote to share is that I have a 2015 2.0T Ford with 90k miles that has been absolutely flawless so far. I can easily see it going another 10 years without anything major. I'd hope that Toyota has improved on that further still being this engine is 10 years newer in design than my Fords is. So maybe, just maybe, it's not as bad as the internets FUD would have you believe.
@@ALMX5DPIn general, a turbo charged (non-diesel) engine puts much more pressure on the internals and reduces longevity. It will probably be fine for 10 years, 100K miles with proper maintenance, but the odds of getting a 25+ years, 300K+ miles life cycle is less likely than with a port injected NA V6. Most folks don’t keep vehicles this long anymore, so the 4-banger turbo is actually probably better suited for today’s throw-away society.
@@bluedevil0111 using terms like "in general" are really no help and only fuel FUD on the interwebs. Engines designed for positive boost pressure are exactly that, designed for it. Sure they may not last as long as a 25 year old naturally aspirated engine design with low(er) compression but when compared with modern emissions meeting engines (even NA ones) I'd think that "in general" they would all perform similarly.
And I am not sure why the "most folks dont keep vehicles this long" reference is even relevant here. If you are the type of person to keep something longer, nothing is stopping you from fixing and maintaining a vehicle for however long it is you want to keep it running. I'm sure there are tons of 20-30-40+ year old turbocharged vehicles that people have maintained to keep running even if many ignorant or "throw away" owners decided to scrap theirs.
@@ALMX5DP You make good points, and as a Toyota fan I hope that this powertrain proves to be a real winner. It feels like a gamble to go 4 cylinder turbocharged if your main reasons for buying are longevity and reliability. It may prove to be both, but there’s a reason I scooped up a ‘24 TRD ORP. I have other issues with the Gen 6: being built with thinner sheet metal using more adhesive instead of spot welding, thinner (cheaper) interior materials with less soft touch, reduced rear cargo space (esp. hybrid), and of course, the inevitable price inflation. As a company, Toyota seems to be straying from reliable, simple, proven, off road capable trucks with excellent build quality at reasonable prices to more complicated, unproven, and expensive vehicles. Time will tell. I hope they hold up because I’d like to buy another one (but not until 2044 or later… 😆).
Careful Jon, you keep telling the truth about these New Toyota products, and you will double your subscribers and lose your place at the Toyota table. ;)
Lol I will not lose my place. It's true. Too much plastic isn't appealing.
@@TRDJon Your subscribers appreciate the honesty. ✌
Toyota design has lost their direction.
It has a TURBO. No thanks
More overpriced over hyped Toyota products
Not for me