Experts on Titan sub's "catastrophic implosion" near Titanic
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Experts discussed the potential causes of the "catastrophic implosion" of the Titan sub that went missing during a voyage to the wreckage of the Titanic over the weekend. The U.S. Coast Guard said on Thursday the OceanGate vessel experienced a "catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber." Here's more.
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The news needs to stop acting like this was an innovative failure. It was pure negligence by the CEO. He was repeatedly warned about the shortcomings of his design and he still went ahead. The vessel had had issues with both communication and mobility in previous dives and he did not fix the problem. Stop acting like he was the victim of some unforeseeable tragedy. He killed himself and four other people because of his gross negligence.
spicy
I agree it is very sad
Very sad. All attempt to visit must be stopped.
I said the same about them romantizing these men as 'explorers'. These were rich entitled dudes with thy means to die like they did. They weren't advancing mankind, they were making dumb choices for 250k each. The only one I feel for is the 19 year old cuz it's been said he didn't want to go and now he's dead. These aren't heroes let's be real clear!
A previous capt, was warned about ice, this capt. was warned about the pressure issue to the hull, and sadly the lesson was not learned. This capt's ego was bigger than his ability. Rest easy to the 5 lost souls...
Critics: Your submersible is unsafe, unclassed and unproven.
OceanGate: We prefer to call it innovative.
4 victims and one arrogant, idiotic murderer
Their name literally sounds like a scandal.
💯🎯
@@JSON_bourneright anything ending in GATE usually is a scandal not innovation.
I really think this was covered so much bc it distracted us from the Hunter Biden laptop charges.
Whoever is a cyclist like me and have had carbon fiber bikes, know that you have to regularly check your bike for micro cracks on the fork, Carbon can be very strong and light, but with time, it fatigues in extreme conditions and will show micro cracks before failing. I'm sure the owner of this submersible never cared about supervising the carbon structure thinking that carbon strength and durability was endless.
So much for modern manufacturing. The shoes they wore on the titanic are still there in wearable condition 100 years later and this sub can't last a few hours for goodness sakes
He was not a cyclist I guess.
You are sure? You are absolutely positive the owner didn't care? If so, then I'd say you know the guy or you have a psychological disorder
In most of sea-based industry, owners rarely do the field job, all the safety inspection were done by safety officers
Cracks like these cannot be spotted. If they were seen externally, it would be catastrophic as is. However, internally they can never be seen. In comparison to metals which can be X-rayed. It probably never should be used in anything else than where you can accept a failure - like in a bike. Worst case scenario, it will be a fall of several metres or tens of feet?
Structural engineer here.
There's really nothing wrong with a composite hull in itself, so long as an appropriate test, inspection and maintenance plan is in place.
The testing plan for Titan was to fill it with paying customers and take it to new depths repeatedly, and fire any engineer who questioned it.
This is negligence, and any structural engineer involved in this project no doubt knew how dangerous this was.
The lack of physical testing meant the failure pressure of the titan was a complete unknown. I'm supposing it had operated near its failure pressure several times.
Low cycle fatigue and boom.
100% spot on. They didn't even test it before they went down in it. They didn't bother to test it for cracks of microscopic damage after each trip to depth. This was a pure suicide mission and I'm shocked they continued given all the problems on almost every trip.
Was The Titan tested at these depths, or deeper, before this terrible implosion?
@@kellyyork3898 I want an answer to this question too.
@@cashewnuttel9054 Nope it wasn't
Thought you said COMPOSTABLE hull loooool
It happens soo fast, the micro leak turns into full instant collapse and crush of water pressure over a know volume of trapped air in a micro-second. The air volume, at 8000 feet, would be crushed to about 1/220th of its size so quickly, the air superheats from the compressive friction, instantly boiling the contact water, igniting the partial pressure of the O2 in the air literally into a little ball of plasma flame, so your 200 pound fluidish oily body gets crushed into a apx. 1 pound size steam boiled/flame broiled all human hot dog, POP!, then immediately cooled to near freezing water temperature, and then dropped in its dense negative buoyant cooked broken hot dog state towards the bottom, 4000 feet below. Maybe snagged by an errant fish attracted by amazing sensors to the bang and pop, feeding on the foolish personage thus completing the food chain. Human bodies recovered from 30x crush accidents showed crush and burn, and this depth at 1hr45min decent was around 240x overpressure. There are no remains to recover. Maybe the next adventure will get a bit smarter. RIP folks. Sad but educational day.
Thank you for more depth explanation!
Absolutely love your characterization!
Alright, when you put it this way...
Maybe someone should say it verbatim to the relatives.
😂💪🖋️💯❗
Thanks for the description. These guys all knew that this was a great risk and no one even if they had tried could stop them from diving. These guys found themselves into eternity within nano sec. and hope heaven.
What struck home to me was the reality of 12,500ft depth when it was said there is no recovery of bodies as the bodies dont exist, they were pulversized into bits by the tremendous pressures. An implosion at those depths is total destruction as if it was an explosion with TNT.
there are no remains
And you think bodies disappear if TNT explodes next to them?
They are probably f'd up / ripped apart, but parts are still there, until the fishies eat them.
@@_munkykok_ if you had a better comprehension of physics you would understand the situation better , respectfully
@@831bowl Sounds true, well done.
More truth on the internet.
Sincerely and respectufully.
@@_munkykok_lol, there’s nothing left of those bodies
They weren’t explorers, mission specialists, or researchers, they were sight-seers. What scientific advances were they pursuing? They died while on a tourist trip. That’s it.
That doesnt mean they matter less or what are you implying that it would only matter if only researchers would have died?
@@madelynhernandez7453 How is that what you heard from what they said? It was simply stated what they were not, and accurately so, nowhere in the statement was it debated or questioned how valueable their lives were. You're being needlessly confrontational.
@@madelynhernandez7453umm the waiver did state that it may results in death. Like earlier stated….a tourist trip
ON🎯💯
@@madelynhernandez7453
Tourists Lives Matter(TLM)
To hear that the 19 year old lad was terrified by the thought of being a passenger is heartbreaking. Surely his father would have been aware of the dangers and the reservations of his son. Tragic, but wholly preventable.
this is why you always need to trust your intuition. the kid was right, he was terrified he was going to die. but he felt compelled to go by his father. and now he's dead. may he rest in peace
Can't belive a dad would be so irresponsible
Yeah... why would you endanger your child!?
The only comfort you can find in this tragic event with the father/son is that the poor son probably didn't feel any pain. I watched one interview where they showed there was a warning light that would go off on the inside, letting them know that the structure was being compromised. If that's the case, that poor son may have got some warning briefly that he was going to die. Maybe his father had the time to apologize to his son for making him come on this trip. They probably had some warning that the hull was being compromised before it blew up, so sad because the ceo could not bring it up to the top😢
@@apseudonyme was an adult who had to sign his own waiver. I get being under pressure but cmon guys, he would have rather died with his father than without… it appears. A scientific mission would never have approved any of this. Which is why they indeed had to pay out of pocket…a lot of money. That’s paying to risk your live for rescue. Flat out. If you pay that much money, it is not a guarantee you’re coming back.
In a constant pressure environment like the deep ocean, the energy release of an implosion is (change in volume) * (pressure). The air volume of the pressure chamber of the Titan was about 3.8 m^3. And when contact was lost they were probably around 3000 m deep, which is about 300 atmospheres of pressure. Multiply those and you get 114 MJ of energy. Which is about as much energy as 25 kg of TNT, or over 100 sticks of dynamite. All that energy went into destroying the pressure chamber and pulverizing its contents. They were instantly turned into paste.
WOW , VERY INFORMATIVE
Ouch... I figure using numbers I pulled from 3 seconds of googling that the average male human has a surface area of 2800 square inches so x 5000 pounds per square inch that's 14 million pounds or what's that 6500 ish tons squishing you. Not bad, Titanic was 46000 t hmm not a nice figure to work with. DpaceX Starship is 5000 t. So it's like getting squished by that. Fine mist indeed.
Why isn't the Titanic wreckage squished by the pressure that deep?
Thanks for this, it puts things into perspective for us.
@@timekiller6163 it is being squished, over the course of many years. metal has very different reactions to extremely high pressures, but the wreckage is "dissolving" if you look at side by side pictures over the decades, the wreckage is slowly disappearing
This was pure negligence by the CEO. Calling these people "brave explorers" without highlighting the fact that the CEO deliberately ignored and in fact fired an engineer who brought up concerns about working on the submersible is just misrepresenting the situation. CEO did not care and was arrogant and falsely confident. The viewport glass was only approved for like 1300m depth. They were going over THREE times that. CEO was an idiot. He knew of safety issues but to be frank, getting 1million was more important to him than potentially killing everyone. And he did and now he paid with his life and 4 others. Shame.
He didn't want to hire a bunch of 50 year old white guys who were experts.
what's even stupider to me was that he wasn't even making a profit from this... he was actually losing money due to how expensive fuel is and all that
4 victims and 1 murderer
He used parts from a camper supply outlet.... that alone should've been grounds to commit him to a friggin Psych ward. WHO BUILDS A SUB WITH CAMPER PARTS?!?! A psychopath that's who!
The CEO had a net worth of about 12 millions already as well. Having come from a wealthy family. So it's not like he needed the money.
Just learned from the 19 year olds aunt that he was "terrified" of going down to see the wreck. RIP and condolences to those affected
You do realize that you were taken on a ride much like the occupants of the sub, don't you? The news isn't news it is just the story they want you to believe. This applies to any story of any importance on any news channel. The sheep go baaaaa.
Well. He wouldn’t have known that he was about to die.
It probably would of gone down as “we’re getting over pressure warming. We’re dropping ballast, and head back u..”
Then why did he?
@@zeropoint7665 probably to support the father or to not dissapoint his father. pakistani family.. they are very family and hierarchy orientated
This story is going to go on for years. All of Stockton Rush's past statements and interviews are going to be brought to light, people who left the company will be giving interviews about standards and their concerns, companies and individuals who supplied equipment and knew that it wasn't suitable for this project will likely be roped into this, criminal negligence cases will probably be brought against OceanGate and many others involved with it.
This accident was to be expected. Plenty of people apparently knew it was coming.
I feel terrible for the young man lost in this, and the families and friends. It's so needless, so pointless.
Titanic is not a tourist attraction, it's not a theme park for rich people to go and pick up dinner party anecdotes. Leave her and the 1,500 people who were taken alone.
Naming the submersible "Titan" alone is enough to cause a sense of foreboding. 14 years before the Titanic sank a novel eerily predicted the disaster by containing similar circumstances to the actual sinking. The name of this novel: "The Sinking of the Titan."
My little man ironically says mama, "Titan was the bad guy in movie "Megamind, remember, "Mama??? He was not as strong as the good guy METROman, the name prolly made the sub weaker mama," ...hmmmm mouth of babies huh
Pretty damn bonkers
@@STRYVE4PERFEXION In Marvel Thanos was also a titan who was defeated by the avengers 5 years after the events of infinity war which would be 2023...But titan and titanic...very close names.
Also, maybe it's not the best name for a *very small* vehicle/vessel.
@@hollywoodpineapple8337 OMG!!! And The film, Clash of the Titans a movie showing the three brother gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades, who managed to defeat their predecessors, the Titans, and rule over the Universe
It's so annoying how often reporters interrupt the people they interview. Let him finish sheesh. I want to hear everything he has to say.
I know, hopefully he goes on a podcast or something, and can do a full breakdown of his thoughts. The conventional news format for this style of information is so aggravating, trying to fit everything into a couple soundbites.
I don't know who these chicks are but they're absolutely horrible.
Yeah it's annoying but they do it to guide the conversation within he time limit they have on air. If they can go on a podcast to talk about it they'd probably have more time. Now if a podcast interviewer that has an hour or 2 keeps interrupting then those people are real aholes...but news wise they have to talk within a timeframe sadly.
😂 you know nothing about journalism, fixed schedule and SCREEN TIME.
@@LathropLdSTyou know nothing about journalism. It's main purpose is to shape public opinion while only telling half the story. They played you like a fish on this one.
James Cameron sent out an email saying the Sub most likely has imploded with all hands lost on Monday. The sub suddenly lost call comms as well as it's transponder, which is almost a separate vehicle with it's own battery and electronics. Cameron contacted his friends who had sonar buoys and they noticed a loud bang around the same time the sub lost contact. And they found the wreck right next to the Titanic, right below their last known position. They spent days giving false hope.
Though you may suspect very strongly, from all evidence gleaned during the search, (including going back to check previous sonar/hydrophone findings), that there had been a poor outcome, until you get ROV cameras on site, and actually find the needle in the haystack, you do not know for sure. You have to proceed with a search/rescue, until your findings confirm there is no hope.
Yep 100% true .. Coast Guard and Media played this out far too long 4 days too long to be exact
They have seen the wreckage - they know beyond a doubt that it imploded. Would you have had them just not try because of a loud bang that could have been unrelated? There was always hope until there wasn't - the point they found proof. They had to have hope until there was proof there was no hope. The loud bang didn't prove anymore than the banging sounds that were heard. It was the debris that put the loud bang in context and gave it meaning.
Or whilst the meat was cleared from the guessed at oncoming cameras.....
@@patriciamorgan6545no
Thats a sumergible, not a submarine
Is not autonomous, and there is no way to take it back
Waste of money
By they way, i thought avout it and cameron said it
The US NAVY and intelligence agencies (federal and military) have hydrophones there to hear soviet submarines during cold war...
He said he found "credible sources" in one interview ans directly " the military" hear the blow up.
It was all a circus for nothing
in short, carbon fiber doesn't bend, it breaks. It's more brittle. Steel and titanium can bend and deform before they'd just snap and spring a leak. Carbon fiber has many great uses but it is much stronger in tension than in compression. When you form it into a cylinder and apply pressure from the outside, that's putting it into compression. Multiple repeated cycles of 5000+psi compression is what caused this thing to fail.
At sea level, an adult has about 3,700 pounds of air pressure all over the body. At the depth of _Titanic,_ you have over _1.5 million pounds_ of pressure.
Splat.
Air pressure is expressed in pounds *per square inch* .
CAN YOU TRANSLATE THAT IN HOW MANY EMPIRE STATE BUILDINGS IT WOULD BE, FOR POOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
@@_munkykok_it’s one Eiffel Tower flipped upside down per inch, or 200x the pressure in your tires 😂
@@RaymondHng No, it´s not, it´s expressed in Bar or kPa. In all of the civilized world, at least. Keep your burgers per freedom eagle units to yourselves.
The 19 year old didn’t even want to go but did so to please his father for Father’s Day 😢😢😢😢
so he didnt want to go but he wanted to go/
Yeah that's one of the saddest parts of this I think. He was too young to make this decision.
@@gayjoebiden He was scared but he still went with his dad for father's day 💔
Right in the feels
@@gayjoebidenHis aunt said he was terrified to go but he didn’t want to disappoint his dad. That means he went against his own instincts to please his father. His father should never have taken him.
Growing up my Dad used to say "...money talks and bull sh*t walks".
While this is an extremely painful and sad situation, anyone who has ever attempted these trips in the past including those now lost chose to take a "dance with death". Condolences to each of the affected families.
T t t try the Lusitania, she's shallower....
This is the only loss in as long as people have been doing titanic dives. There are varying degrees of 'dance with death'. It's not binary. And your dads phrase has nothing to do with it.
Who else think its crazy how they found the wreck on the exact day it was expected for the sub to run out of air
I wouldn't use the word 'exact'. _same_ day... but several hours after the estimated 96 hours time for air (and that wasn't a time ever tested, just something claimed by the company).
The Navy and Coast Guard probably knew fairly quickly that they died in an implosion, but until they find debris to confirm it, they don't want to declare it, (small chance it could have been something else popping). So, they keep looking, expecting them all to be dead, but talking about 'hope, thoughts and prayers' for the media, until they find those bits of busted hull, and now they can say they have certainty about whether they are alive or dead.
I think it was planned this way so nobody can say they didn't do everything possible😢
There’s nothing worse for the family than having your family killed in a sub that was well known and regarded as having a flawed or failed design 15 years prior by the very same community that specializes in designing and building these subs. Without a doubt the company in question knew the risks and without a doubt they ignored or doubted the risks.
@@RubiaStormit is well known, the initial engineering team that were contracted to design the submersible were sacked for blowing the whistle on the embarrassingly poor design constraints the company had placed on them
@@RubiaStormlol 14 successful mission on titanic? So was good? Accidents happen
@@cautarepvp2079 would you drive a car or fly in a plane that one out of every 14 trips catastrophically explodes?
You would think charging 250k per head the company can afford to fix and improve safety.
@@a-nus implodes
I worked for Oceaneering , Cdive & Bisso Marine Doing salvage & subsea work for years. I could not even believe some of the total disregard for safety & ROV protocols. The equipment in all aspects of making a dive like this was industry substandard. I would not gotten within a 1/2 mile of this project. Tragic loss for the families. Again this is why all parties involved including Passengers need to do Due Diligence. If you have never spent anytime on the ocean & , or under the ocean you can not fathom how harsh the environment is.
Ironic considering they were visiting the titanic which was also a tragic result of gross negligence
One of the stories is that the CEO did not want to replace the viewport that was only certified for pressure of 1300m of depth?
Does the stupidity of man ever end. Well it did on 22 june 2023
The company's name is OceanGate enough said ^^
@@Tarquin2718 They've said it actually imploded on Sunday, June 18th.
I'm only military trained NDI and I know I can't in good conscious believe this was an accident. feels good to not be alone in it
It's been done many times previous
I just pity the young boy who accompanied his father. He could have remain behind and continue the linage and legacy of his father. The gross negligence in regard to safety is giving people more reason to doubt any other submersible machine that is to undergo the same mission.
I would of asked for a Ferrari
@@bighoudini6130 or a table dance
@@J.G.Wentworth69420lap dance
I was to understand the boy didn’t want to go he didn’t want to be stuck in a cramped submarine that was a danger to go that depth to Titanic. The sub was not properly tested plus the material carbon fiber not made to use as pressure hull for a submarine!
Submarine implosion happens in microseconds, which leads to the vessel flattening itself to become a fraction of its size, followed by an extreme rise in temperature. The process happens so fast that the death of the crew members inside would be too fast to register any pain.
but before it got to that point they would have been scared shitless. the sounds of the pressure compressing on the hull and the creaking and cracking, knowing that any minute or second the vessel might implode
@@Zombie101 You're not getting it. A microsecond start to finish.
@@Zombie101they wouldn’t have heard anything like that the moment the first creak happens they’re gone in less than a second
@@Mr7c2ll they probably just detached from the hull after the implosion, remember it had the force of 40 bundles of TNT they got squished in literally half a second or less, no pain, no realization, just instantly turned into paste
@@maplebonesbut then would there not have been any indication beforehand. Like yes the actual implosing would have last a mini second where they barely register it but beforehand would there not be any signs like creaking sounds or maybe feeling the change in pressure
Not going to lie I feel among all the other mistakes, allowing a 19 year old lad on board is just not right. I wonder if anyone explained to his thoroughly what he was realistically getting himself into, the rest of them were old enough to make that decision and based off their experience. How did the 19 year old end up on there? Incredibly sad can you imagine how broken his mother is 😢
he was there because it was Father's Day
@@khal7702And wanted to spend time with his busy dad. I blame the dad for his death.
Yeah he went because it was Father’s Day, he didn’t even want to be there. RIP
Yeah they went because they were rich blame money and selfishness father's day or not , 250k is 250k
His aunt has come out and said that he was very afraid to go in the submarine but did so as a Father's Day gift
Given the merciless powers of the ocean, I'm just thankful that no rescuers died. No company should be allowed to bring customers to depths beyond what typical rescue efforts can go.
You are right !
I have to agree with that statement !
150 million pounds of ocean pressure literally turn all 5 passenger crew into sludge smoothie within seconds 😨
The reason no one reported the sound of an implosion is simple. NO ONE know what a carbon fiber hull sounds like when imploding, thus the sound was originally dismissed.
they dismissed it as ocean noise at first
She asked if it was a scientific trip or sight seeing trip, and your boy starts talking about the hull structure 🥸
Sight-seeing thrill for the wealthy.
it was actually both😂
The only people more negligent than the CEO were the four passengers that paid $250k to board a non-certified vessel and travel to a very dangerous place. A fool and his money,are indeed, soon parted.
Yes. Thank you! Finally some truth here!
RIP. Deep condolences to the victims. At the same time, I am still confused why this tragedy caused much more media attention than those massive shootings. Not to mention those are living in poverty and starving to death everyday.
Howsabout the hundreds lost last week and one before in the Med, locked below deck, just like this mess in fact.
Ask Trumpfart , he'll know the ansewer..
Because we don't care about mass shootings, poverty and starvation.
I think people grew numb to those things, since they happen so often. Which is truly messed up.
In hindsight a carbon fiber hull seems really dodgy. 🤦♂
Much stronger than steel
@@John.Christopherbut is not nearly as ductile and would shatter instead of deform.
@@John.Christopher Just becuse in terms it's strength to weight ratios, carbon fiber is actually significantly stronger than steel, Dosent allways make it stronger..... U under educated Hillbilly.
@@John.Christopherno.
@@HanMewno.
First, my condolences to the grieving families and friends. But some things need to be said, especially before the false adventure narrative being spread by the mainstream media.
" These were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the oceans".
Maybe. But let's get this much straight: This was not a research expedition, ok? It was not a journey for discovering new worlds for the benefit of future generations. Nor was it a journey for enhancing the protection of the oceans.
Rather, it was a business venture, looking to turn the site of the Titanic into a destination for high end tourists willing to pay a lot of money to get there.
Further, everything about this hack tourist tour to a sacred site full of human tragedy, is a mirror of us. An indictment of the arrogance, the hubris, and overall cluelesness of Western Civilization that respects nothing. And thinks everything can be packaged and turned into a sale. That looks to monetize everything on our planet. A civilization that is itself, arguably, on a Titanic- Like journey, heading directly to catastrophe, in spite of all the warnings and running past all the tipping points. Dragging the entire living Earth with it to the bottom, including future generations.
Imagine the level of reptile-human awareness one has to have to consciously want to monetize a resting place for so many drowned, into a tourist attraction? Who does that? Why is this acceptable? Am I the only one? Who looks to make money off a hallowed mass-resting site, full of tragedy and pain? Or, who jimmy rigs a joystick from a playstation, to guide a journey 300 atmospheres under the sea?? Nuts! And I would not be surprised if the team got a kick out of that, too. Because that's the level of arrogance imprinted into every facet of this 'rule breaking' profit driven project that can be seen anywhere we look.
Something we do with disturbing regularity in our everyday reckless economy. That uses the atmosphere and the oceans as an industrial sewer and, just like this submersible, rigs it up as a time bomb for our kids to deal with later.
And, on the other end, who are the functional imbeciles who want to pay for indulging their morbid, goose necking facination with death and tragedy at this site?
A billionaire risking the life of a young adult, his son, who did not even want to go? An adult with more money than God, helping to trivialize the misfortune and suffering of so many people and families to serve his vanity and lurid interest. Putting all that above the precious life of his son, one; and two, above the respect for the passengers and crew of the Titanic who went through a harrowing death-ordeal in 1912. But, now, in the 21st century, helps with his money to transform this sacred space into an elite circus attraction for billionaire tourism??! Is this normal??
Provide acesss here, where so many died with unimaginable anguish, for a price? Use the Titanic to leverage morbid curiosity, for people that have no idea what to do with their money, and choose to use it to help comercialize a mass undersea grave where unimaginable human anguish happened? Who does that?
And you all know each other and are ok with this? Monetizing the final resting place of over 1500 people who died in challenging conditions? What real mariner or explorer of the sea or navy battlefield commander would do that? Not a good idea from its inception would be the understatement of this entire unworthy and dishonorable project.
But this is us. No sense of perspective about anything. No sense of urgency about climate change. Just people from a consumer based civilization, too well aware they live inside an economic system. But no universe or real wonder beyond that, like a form of natural world autism or disconnection from reality.
I am sorry, and my condolences for the families. But there is a bigger story here, with many future generations at risk. I'm not impressed with these so called 'adventurers'. This was not the Lewis and Clark expedition, ok? And Captain James T. Kirk, supposedly the role model of the skipper, would be the last captain on Earth to risk the lives of his crew and passengers to make a couple of bucks. Nor am I impressed with the greed washing commentary from the major networks hiding the obvious.
Hallowed ground was used for building a for profit exotic tourist destination. Period.
There is a moral to this 'adventure' story news people don't like to get into, just like the Titanic: We better change our attitude soon before the power and fragility of Nature. Or many more kids will be paying for our lack of humility and appreciation for Earth's life systems.
Well said, sadly.
Amazingly well put! Thank you for putting this tragedy into its proper perspective ! I can only wish everyone could see this truth as clear as you’ve described it because, it is the ONE AND THE ONLY TRUTH! ( No matter how the news try to spin it)
Well said. The same applies to Mt. Everest, where tourists' bodies keep piling up, with the place turning into both a massive lofty grave and the world's highest garbage dump.
@@kawaiihammy1128what about the money made by the media. They told you only the parts they wanted you to know. Plenty of people knew that the sound of it imploding was heard. Also that there were separate systems that were all lost at the same time. This also just about guarantees that it imploded. But we were left hanging and hoping for 5 days so the media could make money.
Brilliant comment and I 100% agree with you.
Talk about explosive diarrhea this takes it to a whole new level 😔
I hate to say it but the CEO of Ocean Gate CEO got the full Titanic experience down to the captain's fate same bad mistakes negligent choices disregarding warnings ⚠️
Even James Cameron said the same thing Titanic is not meant 2 be a tourist site 4 rich people an treasure seekers
I do feel for the families and friends of these 5 guys, but to celebrate them as "great explorers" is beside the point. No-one in a half-sane state of mind would dive in a essentially plastic sub that has never been certified to a depth of 4,000 metres. That was a suicide mission, and it is a miracle that this fatal accident did not already happen on one of the earlier dives.
Fortunately the implosion was so fast that the guys didn't even register they were about to die, as at that point they were already gone.
The sea is an unforgiving place, esp. deep down below. My hope is that relatives & friends can now find solace & some kind of closure, and the ldivel imdustry learns from this catastrophy, so that it never happens again.
One of the guys in that sub had seen the Titanic 35 times before as far as I know that’s the most anyone has seen now the most for a living person is now probably James Cameron who has seen it 33 times.
They were all very rich people money always tends to make people feel untouchable
@@micenabled9418I hope whenever I finnally go people just let me rest In peace 😂
Explorers or what?
The titanic has seen by 200 people xd
If it was a catastrophic implosion, as the experts suspect, I am thankful that it means the occupants of the Titan weren't sitting there for days, waiting to die. Still a horrible way to go, but at least they didn't suffer.
Yes. But you were left for 5 days, following the story and hoping for the best. The best outcome was never going to happen. The news played you like they always do. Baaaaaa says the sheep.
Well, surely they felt something was wrong at least minutes before, no?
they would have been scared shitless. the sounds of the pressure compressing on the hull and the creaking and cracking, knowing that any minute or second the vessel might implode
@@Zombie101 It probably happened in less than a second. Unlikely time enough to process what was happening.
@@Thea-gj2orthey weren’t given the information on what exactly happened until today. They can’t say they died in an implosion if experts haven’t confirmed it yet.
I didn't know these men but this has really broken my heart. I was praying and holding on to hope they would be found safe.
Its no different to a car crash. They died in an accident.
Many people were killed on the roads yesterday...no national news reports....get over it.
was never gonna happen.
Even if It didn't implode. There was no way to find them and bring them to the surface before oxygen ran out, these people were dead no matter what happened to the sub.
You're too naïve about the realities of life.
If God gives you a warning sign, heed to it! The CEO and explorers signed their fate, unfortunately
The CEO has caused this tragedy, it’s like climbing Mount Everest with nothing but a sleeping bag
I do know that the CEO was aware that the manufacturer of the porthole window warmed it would only with stand the pressure at a depth of 1000 to 11,000 ft
The manufacturer told Stockton they could make him a new end cap that would take the pressure and Stockton told them to not worry about it. FNG lunatic. PLUS, when they bolted the end cap hatch closed, they left the topmost bolt out. They used 17 of 18 bolts. And went down to 12500 feet underwater like that. That is complete engineering suicidal insanity.
@@phil4986they didn't make it that far. They only made it to about 9000 feet.
@@phil4986 UNREAL
He took the she ll be alright attitude and payed the ultimate price in the end
@@phil4986 didn't hear about using only 17 of 18 bolts...did they say why ? and who said that about the bolts ?
At least it was quick for them
Better than hospice for sure which prolong death. 😶
Yep, they died faster than the speed of a bullet because a catastrophic decompression, on a submarine or submersible is always fatal and their bodies was destroyed in an instant. So Sad
What if they heard horrible cracking and splitting for an hour?
Like all five stepped on a thousand-pound landmine all at the exact same time. Absolutely nothing left. instantly.
@@RideAcrossTheRiverthey def had some form of warning. By sounds of it they had released there ballast for ascent
That last report about the navy detecting an explosion in the area at the same time it lost contact told me 4 days ago what’s happened. Im sure everyone involved in the search knew it as well
That's what I don't get , were they just distracting us all from something else ?
@@brettpilkington9539 Yes, distract distract distract is the name of the game with the Xiden admin.
@@brettpilkington9539You may suspect strongly, from all the evidence gleaned during on-site search/rescue, (including going back to check naval hydrophone findings, recorded previously at various remote stations), that there had been a poor outcome, but until you get ROV cameras on site, and actually find the needle in the haystack, you do not know for sure. You have to proceed with a search/rescue, until there is no hope.
This can be summed up quickly! They built a lousy submersible craft that they did not test and it imploded! Someone had no idea what they were doing!
In Formula 1, they have "shatter zones" in key areas of the car so that the force of impact is dispersed before it reaches the reinforced monocoque where the driver is. Carbon fiber is a perfect material for this design because carbon fiber is both strong, but it can also be fragile like glass if it's flexed beyond a certain limit. The nose cone shattering upon frontal impact (from say a brake failure) helps reduce the G-Forces that reach a driver, which is why Carbon Fiber is the go-to material in motor racing. But in extreme depths like 3,800 Meters down the bottom of the ocean, why would anyone want to use a material that can behave/shatter like glass if it's subject to pressure beyond what it could take?
Is it like hearing about planes that are designed to break apart as well? but yeah designing something underwater that can easily shatter is not the best way to go.
Yeah, made a fairly similar comparison. I discussed how carbon fiber is an excellent material for this like the auto industry, even finding success in pickup trucks. But using it in a sub subjected to insane pressures seemed beyond idiotic.
It doesn't seem like weight matters that much for something like a submarine. Especially at the expense of durability and safety.
@@themidnighttavern6784 My thoughts exactly.
@@themidnighttavern6784 What's perplexing is that highly educated people are making these questionable engineering decisions, I just don't get it
@@matthewledford7209 But aren’t we talking about the 20 year olds Rush chose to hire to be “inspirational”? He didn’t want the 50 year olds, remember? (It’s in a filmed interview with Rush). And why would he, since one had refused to sign off on the vehicle and Rush fired him, then sued him. 50 year olds have actual expertise, and Rush’s arrogance didn’t want that in his way. (My opinion). It was a vanity project for him, in my opinion. People warned him, and he didn’t care. One does not innovate at the clear and predictable cost of others’ lives. That’s not innovation, in my opinion, that’s folly. And possibly criminal. 😔
People were talking about it being made of carbon fiber and somebody had made the off hand comment that if it's more than 400 ft it's a one-off and the fact that they have done it multiple times implied that it was no longer structurally sound and that it was going to have structural failure at any point
I still can't understand why they would go on this vessel knowing it had not been inspected and that it had a lot of unanswered questions concerning it's safety.
I read that the implosion is so violent that the whole submersible and the people inside just disappeared. That they never knew anything bad happened. It was that quick
There are four victims of hubris now and one guilty of cutting corners. Sad ending, may they all rest in peace
Surprised dude didn’t try to just 3d print the vessel in plastic!! Carbon fiber!!?? Really!!?? I wish I could insert that clip of Will Ferrel from wedding crashers saying “what an idiot!” Right here…
I'm just wondering, what people that perished aboard the Titanic would think about this sub expedition
Titan really took "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" to heart.
God bless all those from all nations who worked so hard to try to save these five men. ❤
There was no saving they were dead the moment they lost signal.
Nah
Yes they passed, but they came together to try and save.
Gallant but futile attempt. The deepest successful underwater rescue was at 1,600 feet. This was at 12,500 feet, which makes it all the more impossible.
@@matthewmaning4859They we’re dead the moment they stepped into this thing 😳
So sad but that sub failed most if not all it's safety tests and they still went on it. 😮 all for a thrill
Someone suited them for unsafe engineering practices, and they settled out of court. I don't understand how unsafe practices can be settled with money, but this is the outcome.
That is human nature. Some people love to take the risk.
It's not sad. Stupid selfish rich people. I want my taxes back from the search.
MOOOONNNNEEEEEEYYYYYY. Stockton Rush wanted to start bringing in the cash as soon as possible.
@@JC-rf6di And we have to save them from themselves.
9:04 literally me giving a presentation in school while trying to explain what my partner wrote
This was no accident, just pure negligence. Some lessons just need learned that hard way and mother nature sometimes just has to remind us that she is in charge. Shame for the 19 year old, he shouldnt have been on there but the rest of them knew what they were getting into. If you disregard safety, this is what happens.
The only relief here is that they did not suffer ....
A major problem was not only the shape if it, (not being the strongest pressure bearing shape ....which is a sphere) and then made of experimental titanium and carbon fiber on top of it?
Modified with Camper World and Logitech which aren’t even made for deep sea diving.
After so many dives the carbon fiber began to come apart and then there was the window it was not rated for titanic depths
@marufio you must have somehow examined the found evidence? And somehow are giving your findings to random RUclips comments. Lucky us
My first worry when I saw it was that lateral joint between the hull segments. It feels like that would take a lot out of the integrity of its shape factor.
@@jd32k no I have direct information I don't waste my time by explaining something on a RUclips comment forum, unless I feel it is relevant to the subject. :) and I'm sorry that you feel that way
So the navy already heard the implosion on Sunday? But the coast guard said they didn't hear anything after they dropped the buoys. I guess that means they knew the inevitable right from the beginning
Imagine basically the Empire State Building made of lead dropping on top of you within a millisecond. That’s essentially what happens as all the air cavities are instantly compressed by the pressure & temps
Rising to hotter than the sun & water being forced throughout. It happens so fast like it’s a nuclear bomb, except instead of the energy/pressure going outward, it pushes inward.
Myself, along with pretty much every other human can agree this was the best outcome short of them being rescued. I couldn’t stop thinking about them being trapped at the bottom of the ocean in that capsule for days with limited air, no communication, possible carbon dioxide poisoning, freezing temps, bolted into that tube, & the unknown thoughts of whether anyone was going to save them in time was giving me so much anxiety & I don’t even know them. Their financial status was irrelevant to me, as all I saw was 5 human beings that needed help. I see a lot of people making fun of them just because they were wealthy, but at the end of the day, they were human beings with family & friends that loved them.
Carbon fiber is good in expansion but compression was a huge mistake. Titanium or nothing.
@@Glowie34765 Putin will welcome you providing for Russian soldiers--your home, your women, your town.
The shape was a massive issue. That carbon fiber tube was getting crushed in the middle and the end caps were getting forced into the center every time it went down. Plus, they used epoxy in grooves to glue the ends on. As a brand-new design, they needed to xray this thing every time it came up, but they refused too. It just crunched like a Pringles potato chip and killed everyone instantly.
Acrylic is great too, very strong against compression.
yes thats what James Cameron said
@@phil4986 I love potatoes
The titanium front and rear parts were literally glued onto the carbon fiber, not sure how well thats supposed to hold up
I know Formula One cars use glue to bond some titanium components like the roll hoop to the carbon fiber body, but using it for a deep sea sub with no real testing outside of computer simulations does seem like a poor choice. Especially considering we have had deep-sea submarines around since the 60s, it doesn’t make sense why he wanted to change the material used for the hull. I saw a video with the sun creator, talking about carbon fiber being better for buoyancy and weight, but sacrificing safety for those two things does not make sense. Obviously I’m not an expert in this field, but there does seem to be some hubris or willful ignorance at play here.
In hindsight............not very well?
Someone claiming to be an engineer in a RUclips comments section (yeah, I know) said something to this effect: "Carbon and titanium respond to pressure in different ways. This could have created a 2mm misalignment that destroyed the glue holding them together."
Whether or not this is true, I don't know. I think we will know exactly what happened at some point in time and I bet the billionaire is held liable. Again: The future will tell.
the expansion and contraction effects are 12500 feet were tearing at that carbon fiber every time they went down. it finally succeeded in killing them. Stockton Rush was a very ignorant man.
@@LadyhawksLairDotCom That sounds plausible, but I doubt the CEO is too worried about liability anymore.
It is like an 30 ton asphalt roller running over a tin can. Smashed flat in the middle and both ends shooting out like cannons. They had zero chance at 2.3 miles deep.
Not rocket science. Titan's hull was made of carbon fiber instead of industry standard metallic. Viewport was certified to 1,300m depth. Titanic rests at 3,800m. Ocean Gate played Russian roulette with each dive. Not a matter of if but when...
If I wanted to go down to the titanic, the only person I would go with James Cameron! This man knows safety and does not take it for granted.
I guess they really meant this was a once in a lifetime trip.
Points
12,500 feet or 3,810 meters. That is 378.7 atmospheres of pressure and upon cavitation temperatures rose to the temp of the surface of the sun, 10,430⁰F or 5,776⁰C for my Metric Peeps!
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Let us *not* forget to mention the trawler which capsized off the coast of Greece last week as well.
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Ok Boomer
What are you basing that temperature vector on? What is that? A molecular measurement of temperature not relative the actual temperature in the water? the pressure figure is simply really astonishing and very real. It makes absolutely no sense this guy never repeatedly tested his craft before putting people in it.
@rohanjames5750 shouldn't you be studying the rainbow flag in your parents basement?
@@FloridaMan69.shouldn’t you be shagging yo family members?
@@FloridaMan69.sniffing your armpits in your profile pic but wanna talk ignorance you look like Daddy Pig bruh 🥱.
Tragically, 78 people have lost their lives, and hundreds are still missing after a migrant boat sank off the Greek coast. This devastating incident deserves greater attention and a more thorough examination by the media. It seems that the news coverage has been lacking in depth, potentially overshadowing the seriousness of the situation. While some individuals may have been aware of the risks involved and willingly embarked on their journey, it is crucial to remember that many migrants are driven by the hope for a better life. Their struggles deserve empathy and understanding. It is disheartening to witness a world where such tragedies occur, and it can be frustrating when the media fails to give them the attention they deserve.
You're right
Sadly, this is the reality we live in. A submersible tourist trip gone wrong is more intriguing & interesting to the world than immigrants attempting for a better life.
This is not just the media, it's just human nature. My family didn't bat an eye when I brought up the Greece immigrants but they sure did wanted to learn everything about rich tourists dying in a titanic tourst trip.
Don't ever assume the press for your education.
@@CLARENCErr listen buddy its ofc sad, but these ppl are destroying identity of europe and many of them just doin kids and dont work & doin crimes...
Nah they deserve it so who cares
This whole thing is ridiculous. Stockton Rush murdered those people. I feel so sorry for the nineteen-year-old that was lost.
Ain't no way a carbon fiber subs withstand the underwater pressure right??
Its actually stronger than steel for most types of stresses.
@@53Aquilae It is not good for external pressure, though.
Not really. There isn't much good supporting evidence on composite structures on submersibles. Even the experts are saying this was basically wilful ignorance on Stockton and OceanGate. The hull most likely delaminated.
@@53Aquilae No, for ONE type of stress.
Seawater will eventually weaken carbon fiber which is why other subs use steel
1. The presenter on the right should really stop interrupting BOTH the guest as well as the other presenter!
2. On top of this, she needs to think about what she wants to say BEFORE she starts to talk. I expected better from a major media organisation.
I felt the same way dude.
I expected exactly this coming from this particular News organization.
It seem like if they've done many dives with this vehicle in the past then the engineering of it or materials used could be considered a success. However like a plane they need to maintain and replace parts as part of maintenance check before and after each dive. That material is not durable in the same way as the traditional materials, not built to last. I honestly think they know that very well and they probably skipped steps in maintenance. I think the material on this little sub has been sustaining damage over time that gone undetected due to the company's arrogance and disregard for safety. They haven't even reached that deep yet and already imploded
They had done a small number of dives with this in the past, including a handful to this depth and location.
They hadn't tested it properly to find out how many dives it takes to cause fatigue in the material. It would be expensive to rig it to go remotely up and down multiple times and check for microcracks, but then they'd have proper data to go from without risking lives. Instead, they found out the hard way, while taking money from paying passengers.
Someone needs to say it : Stockton Rush was an idiot. Gluing two dissimalar materials together and exposing them to high pressure is just plain stupid.
So one guy backed out because he felt it was unsafe but the others just didn't care, they wanted to witness a mass gravesite for their own pleasure and entertainment, well now they can be a part of it too for all eternity
Yup 👍
The young man just went to make his dad happy sadly
Maybe we shouldn’t use a video game controller to control a submersible 🤷♀️
oh grow up, cringe typical comment. That thing wasn't bought at gamestop.
They surely didn't suffer, at that pressure it was over in a blink of an eye, and with the material it was made out of, there was likely zero warning, it literally popped like a bubble and probably did some damage to their bodies in the process but the shock from everything including the water all at once like that would have crushed everything including some bones (skull), etc. so yeah, no chance for any suffering at least.
Carbon fiber derives most of its strength from the lamination. It is laid in a weave then epoxy is added then it is baked in a kiln. If the lamination fails, so does the fiber. Plywood uses the same technique, it is laid in opposing grain patterns then epoxied then pressed and baked. Now put that plywood underwater for a while and see how much strength it holds. Compare it to a solid log. Carbon fiber has never been used in a sub before for very good reasons. Good in tensile strength, not good in compression.
_All opinions regarding the submersible, it's tour & it's occupants personal lives or character side, each of these 5 people were SOMEBODY'S child, brother, husband, uncle, grandfather or friend. Sometimes the greatest condolences given is one's silence._
The comments of hate are atrocious on this subject people seem to forget that they were humans just like us. people need to show more compassion and humanity
so why exactly weren't you silent?
The navy knew all along and didn’t say anything
Let the fools do their press releases.
we all kind of knew they were gone didn't we...
The suggestion of recovering bodies from this is absolutely ridiculous.
Nobody ever accused the media of having common sense.
That implosion of that “submersible coffin”. Hopefully it was quick.
I really don’t understand why in the world people would cram themselves into this thing, with one port window, and a battery hand held game controller. To go so deep in the ocean where the pressures are immense. Basically sitting in a coke can.
I’m no expert but of course it would implode under such pressure 🤷🏽♀️. That poor kid must have been terrified just stepping inside this thing. Apparently he didn’t want to go. He only did it for his dad for Father’s Day.
Too much money. No sense. Insanity 😐
Poor comment, some people like to explore and that is their hobbies regardless of their bank balance they are people like you and I. Be more compassionate ffs
@@Carlychillvibes nothing to do with bank balance … it’s simple common sense
It imploded the day they lost communication which was last Sunday. Which means any hope they have of finding the bodies of the passengers is very very small. The same thing that happened to the bodies of the Titanic passengers trapped within the ship is happening now to the bodies of the 5 passengers from the Titan.
The bodies were both burned, and instantly pulverized by the compressive force, and the instantaneous ignition and subsequent cooling of the oxygen inside the submersible. There's literally nothing left to "recover"
The crew of the Titan were simultaneously incinerated, crushed and doused with ice water turning them into chum/soup
5400 psi external press is a lot on a carbon fiber vessel. Particularly on a cylinder, not a sphere.
These guys deviated a long way from the well understood Pressure Vessel codes. I dont think anyone with a strong knowledge of PV codes and FRP/GRP would ever get into that sub sub. I wouldn't
What he's trying to say is that carbon fibre composite is stronger in tension than it is in compression & that steel has a higher plastic deformation point.
They definitely got the full titanic experience
9 Empire State Buildings?! DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!!
That is just depth now you have to account for the weight at that depth it is unthinkable
*This was absolutely a nightmare no doubt with that*
DAMN!!!
So many prayers for a group of over indulgent and rich men… yet the 700 refugees who drowned off the coast of Greece are ignored. What a world this is.
Who cares lol
Oh no! Who will rape all the white women and children now?
You take a can of Coke, drink it and place the empty can on the ground. The can is in pristine condition. You then step on it, suddenly and as hard as you can. Apparently, what happened to the passengers is what it would be like to be inside that Coke can. Instant death without any warning.
Terrible long rambling questions put by the pair of presenters to the first interviewee. They go on for ages giving their own answers then finally get to the question, which is basically “tell us everything you know about engineering “. Good for him for giving short and clear answers to the questions they should have asked instead!
My condolences go out to the crew and family of the Titan. Many nations banded together in an attempt to find and rescue them in time from the deep ocean, and for that many of us are grateful. If any of us were in that situation, I'm certain we would have appreciated the efforts of those brave souls made to find us all as well. At least, we now have an answer to what happened and a theory of the cause and effect that led it to that point. RIP
Idk whole boats of people went missing a week ago and this same effort wasnt made for them because they werent rich and it wasnt world wide news. It would be nice to think we would all get this treatment and level of search, the hard fact of reality that is not the case and we all get treated differently.
It has been said this happened about 2 hours into their journey!
What attempt?... They were dead upon arrival. This entire search was a wasteful ploy.
They basically built a submarine and used a material that breaks like hard candy as the shell
There is a reason why deep sea ROV and submarine equipment is professionally engineered and designed for deep dives. They take years to design and millions of dollars to build. This was an avoidable loss because the CEO thought he was smarter that every engineer in the world who said NEVER use carbon fiber and titanium as a pressure vessel. The carbon fiber is too porous for use as a pressure vessel. Carbon fiber makes great car parts. Keep it that way.
Why must officials ALWAYS break things down to two options: "...collide with Titanic...[or] implode in the water column..." What about 'crashed into the ocean floor...'?
Rest in peace Deep Five 🌊
Lesson #1: never ride on anything that has the word "gate" on it.
Im curious how long it takes before we can go visit the Titan wreck. Tourist bucketlist goals 🎉
Both of these women have really grating voices. Rare for tv newscasters.
Content warning!
For anyone curious why there would not even be a finger left...
Average human male surface area: 2800 square inches.
Pressure: 5000 lbs/square inch
The rest is easy: 2800 x 5000 lbs =
14 000 000 lbs. 14 million pounds of force on an average male at 4 km depth in an implosion. Which corresponds to 6400 t metric. Or 1.9 HMS Victory in UK units.
My Condolences To The Families And My Prayers Are With You May They All Rest In Peace 🌹🌹🌸🌸🌺🌺💐💐🌷🌷🦋🌈🦋
Did you pray? because in this comment it seems like you didn't
The hubris of those passengers is beyond measure. This is only the beginning, I’m sure we’ll hear far more as lawsuits begin to pile up.
Some dude that loved the titanic who watched documentaries all the time about it and he saw this as his opportunity to see something he had a passion for. Unfortunately he didn't take the proper precautions and risked too much.