As long as youtube exists there will be people who will find and cherish these videos among the few that exist about shorthand. You've already done so much with the videos you've made, so take it leisurely and make them because you get something out of them. And we'll keep watching for as long as it's fun for you.
Hi! I just found your channel and I'm so excited. I hope you will make more videos. I think there is a real need for short hand. As someone who is neurodivergent I'm always trying to find ways to write notes faster in lectures when I was in school and now when I'm at work in meetings. I also believe that handwriting can be better for learning. Plus you don't always have a computer with you. I think this is just a great skill!!
@@shorthandist Something I think that is a common question among beginner Gregg users is which version to pick, a good idea is explaining each and how they differ from each other, pros and cons, similarities, etc. Perhaps maybe recommend one and talk about the version you use. idk man, there's many niche ideas when it comes to niche topics
You have no idea how elated I am to see a new video from you. Your channel inspired me to pick up shorthand, but I thought you wouldn't upload anymore. That in itself would be totally fine, no pressure. I am all the happier to see this video. ❤
No worries and no stress. As long as you have the time and you are having fun, us over here, we will surely be happy to see a new video anytime you get to it. 🤗
I am a high school student who is doing a shorthand translator (Gregg notes to text) for their A-level computer science project. Although I’m not proficient at Gregg 😅 (learning though), I think it is doable with AI. What I am missing is feedback: what features do you want on this translator? I’ve attached a questionnaire but any suggestions are welcome! 1. What do you use shorthand for? 2. How useful would a translator (Gregg notes -> text) be (1-10)? 3. What's your reason behind this usefulness rating? 4. Why do you think the usage of shorthand has decreased so much? 5. What was challenging when you first learnt shorthand, and do you think that a translator would help? 6. What are some of the difficulties when translating your shorthand manually? E.g. are there any symbols/strokes/words that are hard to translate. 7. What essential features should a shorthand translator have? E.g. should you be able to personalise it with your own vocabulary. 8. What level of accuracy do you expect / would be acceptable? 9. Who might be the target audience be for this translator today? 10. Any other suggestions for this translator? I’m missing some training data (labeled Gregg words) as well. I think I’ll scrape some from an online dictionary. I love your videos and I find them very insightful and inspiring! Derek.
1) personal note taking, or basically anything I'm writing for myself to read. 2) 3/10 3) Since I can already read it, I wouldn't have too much use for a translator. However, a non-shorthand writer or genealogist might find it 10/10 usefull. 4) Modern court stenography and portable recorders mostly did away with the necessity for it. Since the market had died, it stopped being taught in schools. 5) The main challenge when beginning is to develop the muscle memory to repeat strokes accurately and learn all the new forms, and then learn all the abbreviated short-forms. The next challenge is to learn to read back what you wrote. 6) The difficulty in translating back what has been written is that context is very important. So if you don't know what the situation is it can take some time figure out what the reading of the word is. For example there is specialized shorthand for doctors, for pilots, for government, etc. so if you don't know the shortforms for the those fields you will struggle to translate it. There are also many phrases reduced to compiund strokes For ones own notes however this is not such an issue. 7) I suppose a translator would need to be able to interpret context to produce the correct reading, or possible have a drop-down that allowed you to choose from multiple readings. For example: Man and Main are spelled the same in gregg shorthand, you decide which it is based on the context of the sentence. 8) Probably getting the gist of the sentence 9) I would think the target audience would be non-shorthand writers who want to translate historical documents. There are many people who find their deceased grandmothers shorthand diary in the attic and have to track down someone to translate it. But if there were software that would be useful for people who want to keep the contents private. 10) I think it would have to have a wide tolerance for error. People's handwriting varies quiet a bit, and many writers make mistakes or develop idiosyncrasies which are incorrect to the system but they do nonetheless because they are writing only for themselves.
I gave up on gregg years ago and learned speedwriting and then forkner (forkner was way better, speedwriting should be outlawed) but I'd like to try gregg again, Forkner still takes a lot of effort compared to gregg. And reducing effort writing was the main reason I wanted to learn shorthand. I think a big reason I gave up was my scribblings didn't look anything like the beautiful plates in the book, and worried I wouldn't be able to read what I wrote later on
Yeah, I agree Gregg is a bit more of an undertaking. But I'm all for life-long projects. I think the biggest thing with Gregg is you have to practice reading as much as writing. Look up things of interest, like some of the old books they translated into Gregg, like alic in wonderland or Sherlock holmes, and have it side-by-side with a pdf of the english text, that way you won't get stuck for long. This will improve your ability to read well written shorthand. For writing I prefer a relaxed approach of keeping a journal and mixing english with the gregg you know. Even if it's all english except for "a, an, the, and, will," etc and become fluent and automatic in those strokes, then afterwards look up the english words, and slowly you'll become fluent in the words and writing that actually suits your life and not just odd secretarial speech from the 40s. I Think if done regularly one can become proficient in a matter of 6-12 months. if Speed is the goal, then you have to do a lot more studying and speedtraining exercises. Though even if speed is not the goal and you do no speed-training, it'll still be faster than your regular writing, especially for general note-taking that doesnt have to be word-for-word dictation. sorry for long response! happy writing!
@@shorthandist no, write as much as you want, I love to read about this dying artform! // I think I'll give your approach a try, now that there's an online searchable dictionary of Simplified it will be a lot easier to do that. Though I do like some of the articles in the college edition of simplified. // And I have a "gregg speed studies and graded readings" from 1930, about 300 pages so plenty of reading material, though I will definitely get hung up on the brief forms every so often. Also have a book on medical terminology which I definitely won't be reading lol, but it's interesting. I wonder how many nurses/doctors used Gregg
Hola soy de Guatemala y me gustan tus videos aun que casi no se ingles y por ello me cuesta pero también estoy estudiando taquigrafia y como taquigrafia si esta en mi idioma es más fácil pero me gustan amabas shorhand y taquigrafia 😊
As long as youtube exists there will be people who will find and cherish these videos among the few that exist about shorthand. You've already done so much with the videos you've made, so take it leisurely and make them because you get something out of them. And we'll keep watching for as long as it's fun for you.
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I'm pretty happy to see that this channel is still active. Kudos.
Love your vids it’s making my studying easier because I don’t like writing but this is making me write faster 0:52
I love your videos so much, they actually motivate me to keep learning. Please don't stop making them!
I'll do another soon!
Hi! I just found your channel and I'm so excited. I hope you will make more videos. I think there is a real need for short hand. As someone who is neurodivergent I'm always trying to find ways to write notes faster in lectures when I was in school and now when I'm at work in meetings. I also believe that handwriting can be better for learning. Plus you don't always have a computer with you. I think this is just a great skill!!
I agree! I'll make more soon!
Do more content on gregg, please, Love your work
HE'S BACK!
any requests?😆 (other than changing how I hold a pen)
@@shorthandist Something I think that is a common question among beginner Gregg users is which version to pick, a good idea is explaining each and how they differ from each other, pros and cons, similarities, etc. Perhaps maybe recommend one and talk about the version you use.
idk man, there's many niche ideas when it comes to niche topics
@@burntoast7628 great idea!
Babe, wake up, new shorthandist dropped.
You have no idea how elated I am to see a new video from you. Your channel inspired me to pick up shorthand, but I thought you wouldn't upload anymore. That in itself would be totally fine, no pressure. I am all the happier to see this video. ❤
I'll try to upload more regularly!
No worries and no stress. As long as you have the time and you are having fun, us over here, we will surely be happy to see a new video anytime you get to it. 🤗
You’re back! Thanks for making these videos they really help me out a lot!
I'll try to be more regular
Please do more!!!!!!! I want to learn!!!!!
ok I will!
WELCOME BACK!! We missed you :)
I'll try to be more regular
I think it could be cool to see some basic words and phrases. Something like “I am Bob. I have a dog” to get a better idea on connecting letters
I am a high school student who is doing a shorthand translator (Gregg notes to text) for their A-level computer science project. Although I’m not proficient at Gregg 😅 (learning though), I think it is doable with AI. What I am missing is feedback: what features do you want on this translator? I’ve attached a questionnaire but any suggestions are welcome!
1. What do you use shorthand for?
2. How useful would a translator (Gregg notes -> text) be (1-10)?
3. What's your reason behind this usefulness rating?
4. Why do you think the usage of shorthand has decreased so much?
5. What was challenging when you first learnt shorthand, and do you think that a translator would help?
6. What are some of the difficulties when translating your shorthand manually? E.g. are there any symbols/strokes/words that are hard to translate.
7. What essential features should a shorthand translator have? E.g. should you be able to personalise it with your own vocabulary.
8. What level of accuracy do you expect / would be acceptable?
9. Who might be the target audience be for this translator today?
10. Any other suggestions for this translator?
I’m missing some training data (labeled Gregg words) as well. I think I’ll scrape some from an online dictionary.
I love your videos and I find them very insightful and inspiring!
Derek.
1) personal note taking, or basically anything I'm writing for myself to read.
2) 3/10
3) Since I can already read it, I wouldn't have too much use for a translator. However, a non-shorthand writer or genealogist might find it 10/10 usefull.
4) Modern court stenography and portable recorders mostly did away with the necessity for it. Since the market had died, it stopped being taught in schools.
5) The main challenge when beginning is to develop the muscle memory to repeat strokes accurately and learn all the new forms, and then learn all the abbreviated short-forms. The next challenge is to learn to read back what you wrote.
6) The difficulty in translating back what has been written is that context is very important. So if you don't know what the situation is it can take some time figure out what the reading of the word is. For example there is specialized shorthand for doctors, for pilots, for government, etc. so if you don't know the shortforms for the those fields you will struggle to translate it. There are also many phrases reduced to compiund strokes For ones own notes however this is not such an issue.
7) I suppose a translator would need to be able to interpret context to produce the correct reading, or possible have a drop-down that allowed you to choose from multiple readings. For example: Man and Main are spelled the same in gregg shorthand, you decide which it is based on the context of the sentence.
8) Probably getting the gist of the sentence
9) I would think the target audience would be non-shorthand writers who want to translate historical documents. There are many people who find their deceased grandmothers shorthand diary in the attic and have to track down someone to translate it. But if there were software that would be useful for people who want to keep the contents private.
10) I think it would have to have a wide tolerance for error. People's handwriting varies quiet a bit, and many writers make mistakes or develop idiosyncrasies which are incorrect to the system but they do nonetheless because they are writing only for themselves.
I gave up on gregg years ago and learned speedwriting and then forkner (forkner was way better, speedwriting should be outlawed) but I'd like to try gregg again, Forkner still takes a lot of effort compared to gregg. And reducing effort writing was the main reason I wanted to learn shorthand. I think a big reason I gave up was my scribblings didn't look anything like the beautiful plates in the book, and worried I wouldn't be able to read what I wrote later on
Yeah, I agree Gregg is a bit more of an undertaking. But I'm all for life-long projects. I think the biggest thing with Gregg is you have to practice reading as much as writing. Look up things of interest, like some of the old books they translated into Gregg, like alic in wonderland or Sherlock holmes, and have it side-by-side with a pdf of the english text, that way you won't get stuck for long. This will improve your ability to read well written shorthand.
For writing I prefer a relaxed approach of keeping a journal and mixing english with the gregg you know. Even if it's all english except for "a, an, the, and, will," etc and become fluent and automatic in those strokes, then afterwards look up the english words, and slowly you'll become fluent in the words and writing that actually suits your life and not just odd secretarial speech from the 40s. I Think if done regularly one can become proficient in a matter of 6-12 months. if Speed is the goal, then you have to do a lot more studying and speedtraining exercises. Though even if speed is not the goal and you do no speed-training, it'll still be faster than your regular writing, especially for general note-taking that doesnt have to be word-for-word dictation.
sorry for long response! happy writing!
@@shorthandist no, write as much as you want, I love to read about this dying artform! // I think I'll give your approach a try, now that there's an online searchable dictionary of Simplified it will be a lot easier to do that. Though I do like some of the articles in the college edition of simplified. // And I have a "gregg speed studies and graded readings" from 1930, about 300 pages so plenty of reading material, though I will definitely get hung up on the brief forms every so often. Also have a book on medical terminology which I definitely won't be reading lol, but it's interesting. I wonder how many nurses/doctors used Gregg
@@Zack-xz1ph Good question! I know gregg made manuals for pilots, doctors, basically every field, who knows how many actually used it.
Hola soy de Guatemala y me gustan tus videos aun que casi no se ingles y por ello me cuesta pero también estoy estudiando taquigrafia y como taquigrafia si esta en mi idioma es más fácil pero me gustan amabas shorhand y taquigrafia 😊
Hay una versión en español de Gregg, el libro se llama Taquigrafia Gregg
@@shorthandist si, la carrera que escogí nos enseñan las dos
bro yiu should upload more ..avid here
ok, I will! might take a week or so