How High Can Takerufuji Rise??
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Maegashira 17 Takerufuji just made history by outshining not only his current stablemate Yokozuna Terunofuji but also all 4 current Ozeki in addition to matching historic numbers that haven't been matched in 110 years (Ryogoku's debutant win from 1914) and from the great Yokozuna Taiho (11 straight wins to open his Makuuchi career). With numbers like that flying around, are we watching the beginning of a new Yokozuna's story? Or did we already just watch the high point of this rikishi's career?
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Takakeisho probably looking for an Elder Stock and he will retire.
Onosato has the higher ceiling but has some egregious technical issues that will hold him back. First among them is the same issue that Ichinoju and Hokuseiho had, albeit not quite as bad or as obvious, which is fighting too high and allowing people drive from under him. Takerufuji has looked spectacular for some time now, but his age and style put a cap on his growth. I could see both getting to Yoko, but Hakuoho is by far the most well rounded, and best aged, to have a historic career. His injury history and the fuckery around Miyagino are the biggest issues for him
Commenting way too late, but I have similar concerns with Onosato and even his stablemaster mentioned recently that he has a lot to learn and needs to be running of 13 and 14 win tournaments not 11 or 12.
Guy is a beast and humble about it. The last Match was the most impressive, because the other fighters knew his style better and he was somewhat injured. Also the unbelievable pressure of making history. It shows he also has the mentality. Next Tournament is going to be even harder for him.
First! I feel strongly he’ll make it - he fought some of the toughest fighters in his first basho and held his own.
Totally agreed on how impressive he looked against the likes of top contenders like Kotonowaka! Do you have any fear on that ankle injury? Or pretty confident he'll be able to recover without aggravating it between bashos?
@@kinboshisumo I would've been more concerned about his ankle if he had lost or otherwise had it be an issue during his last fight, but he won handily and didn't show any issue with it.
The NHK commentator said it ended up being a ligament sprain. If it's a level 1 or 2 sprain then he should be good for next basho as long as he takes recovery care of it from now until then.
I agree with you that Takerufuji in Isegahama will help him be more well rounded. I think he is more well rounded than people think already. He just never needed to change it up as his normal style was working. Even against Horshoryu, he was winning and if he stayed square, he would have won. But go back and look at his matches, especially his first match. He won with a belt pull and side step to get behind Daiamami and push him out.
Solid point! If you win 11 in a row, clearly something is going well already!
Hoshoryu with another 5-10kg meat on his backside and thighs, a complete beast; gotta say he’s my favourite btw.. get slightly lower to ground, get feet balanced, and crab walk the smaller opponents out the dojo. Don’t get into a technical fight with them, he’s a king of judo but let’s keep healthy!
Love the show guys, all best from UK
Thanks for listening and for the great commentary! Totally agreed, I think Nick and I both get distracted by the lack of flashy 14, 15, or even 13 win records from Hoshoryu which really clouds the fact of just how consistent he is at such a high level and at such a young age! We're so big on Takakeisho's consistency (when healthy) that I think I need to start thinking of Hoshoryu in the same terms, and start looking for him to be the rock of the division!
About Hoshoryu, I think it's a power problem that keeps him just short of his Yokazuna Uncle's ability. Last I checked(admittedly last year) his Uncle at his prime was about 20 pounds heavier and an inch and a half shorter, that's a lot more beef lower to the ground! If Hoshoryu can keep bulking up(and he does look bigger this last Basho), he will get the last bit of power he needs to stop and then throw or grapple the big monsters in the Basho like Kotanow/e, Onasato or an 80%Teranofuji.
Hoshoryu has a judo heavy counter the bigger guy style. He's always had trouble with the pixies. (Seriously, at one point he had like 5 or 6 losses to Midorifuji in a row!) What he should do is just grab them and make the simple force out, but when he takes their belts and gets into a battle of tricks he usually going to lose, not because they are more skilled then him, but because the pixies aren't the right body type to try for counterattack like Hoshoryu likes.
For sure, on a basic level it throws him out of his prep by making him play the big guy to someone else's counterforce.
That does make sense. He is on the smaller end, so the majority of his training would be on people quite a bit larger. I guess this would create a gap that the other smaller guys could tske advantage of
Very nice podcast guys. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Takerufuji has great training teammates at Isegahama with different styles and weight he will improve even more.
Hoshioru has a very limited repertoire and technique I don't see him improving in the future he is young but he didn't improved his sumo in the last 10 Basho.
Asanoyama dispose of him so easy ending up hurting his foot, Hoshoryu threw flip his ass off the dojo. His only 2 loses.
I think I heard a bunch of comments about his legs on the nhk broadcast. But his body silhouette reminds me of Joe Montana. He was getting hit just as much in vastly shorter burst.
Onosato ist definitely my favorite for the future. He is humble enough to learn and has the physicality to beat all. Maybee kotonowaka is the next Yokozuna, but for sure he has the chance to also achieve this rank if he stays healthy.
Would love for them both to make the leap and have a new Yokozuna rivalry going forward!
while Hoshoryu has holes in his game, he is the most consistent ozeki. His game is resilient. He will stay at ozeki some time, but eventually he will rise to the occasion and become Yokozuna.
I don't see either Onosato or Takerufufi going to Yokozuna before Hoshoryu.
I see Kotonowaka as the #1 rival on the Yokozuna trail. He does only have one ozeki basho, but he has a good record against the current Sanyaku
@@teamabi he needs two bashos in A ROW.
@munteanucatalin9833 Yup, and in my opinion, I think Kotonowaka is more likely to get that than Hoshoryu based on what we have seen recently.
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@@kinboshisumo Do it! Do it!
What are you waiting for?
To the Toperufuji, of course.
Well played, well played!
I personally feel like it says more about just how hard Takakeisho and Kirishima fought against one of their contemporaries than it does about the potential ceiling of the future Kotozakura.
Love this point, very interesting! I think there's a lot to what you say, we can't look at a sumo match in a vacuum, there are two competitors with two varying and opposed sets of motivations and interests!
I believe you two fellers are very wrong about his legs, yes they’re small, but they are VERY VERY strong and had a lot to do with his wins. He was driving everyone forward. You do not do that just with the upper body. Good video guys.
I think it’s mostly his ankles that look small
The most impressive aspect of Takerufuji's performance last basho is his speed and precision of execution.
Unlike Onosato which is still visibly green (Big O' has a high ceiling though) Takerufuji never scrambled or had moments of uncertainity.
When he lost, he lost to Hoshoryu that smoked him and to Asanoyama that overpowered him but it wasn't due to glaring mistakes which are typical of rookies.
On the other hand Onosato should have won the match against Onosho but was betrayed by a lack of experience.
I don't think last basho was a fluke, I do believe Takerufuji has already the forma mentis of a champion.
Of the three new prospects Takerufuji is the most ready, Onosato is the one with the highest ceiling due to his body size and Hakuho harbor the most potential due to his young age.
Then there is Atamifuji who was impressive in the last few basho but for which I'm still unsure how high he will climb during his career.
Replying to this way too late, but wanted to touch on your Atamifuji point because I agree. I find myself torn on Isegahama's insistence on having their rikishi fight through injuries. Atamifuji's shoulder doesn't look like its ever had a chance to heal, we all know Teru's story (both the phoenix side of it and the crash) and now Takeru missing a whole basho after his yusho. At this point I worry about anyone in Isegahama who picks up an injury
Injury is the Sumo bugaboo...it's in the hands of chance.
Absolutely! Our predictions are basically just for fun. Like Terunofuji, even the most promising rikishi are regularly derailed by injury.
Tekerufuji is the next Asashoryu.
I'd love to see it! Those swing-downs are surely missed!!
I don’t think takerufuji size is an issue for yokozuna. Hakuho was 150kg for most of his career
Good point!
6:11 why rip on hoshoryu tf…
This is one of those blip in the matrix where the stars aligned for his favor. Hamster is gonna be mediocre due to spine injury. The beast in the making is kotonowaka, size, strength, his experience is growing every basho. Hoshoryu will never be like his uncle if he doesn’t work on growing his fat/muscle. He’s too light to make any big impact. Be realistic that legend in the 80-90’s having a skinny six pack and huge muscle, it’s a sus for steroids use.
I definitely worry about the injuries as well! And agreed on Kotonowaka / Kotozakura, but its been painful watching him try to break through for this first yusho! He's right there, just not all the way yet.
Onosato
I think you need a European Influence on your podcast to diversify (me lol)
Ha! We're always looking for ways to widen the conversation, keep us posted if you have any ideas!
You guys are over hyping Takerufuji, I'm hoping he can be at a Wakatakakage/Myogiryu level guy winning 10-11 wins every once in awhile at sekiwake and winning a lot of special prizes. And most likely he'll end up like them when his knee injuries catch up with him.
Onosato will probably end up like Mitakeumi/Shodai/Asanoyama/kotomitsuki/miyabiyama/musoyama/dejima, college stud who shoots up to Ozeki and then fizzles out in a couple years
Not gonna lie, when it was Hakuoho and Onosato coming up (pre Hakuoho injury) I definitely felt this way as well and was way more excited for Hakuoho long term. Either way these next couple basho seem crucial for him proving what he can be so I'm excited to see them!
I think the hype is deserved considering how fast he climbed the bankzuke and how decisively he won his matches for this past basho. I don't think this is just a case of sheer luck. I'm hoping he'll reach Ozeki or better. He has all the makings for it.
Simple he's in Isegahama got a very easy tournament schedule and will of course rise stupid high cuz his stable master is in charge of rankings. If he was Mongolian or part of a Mongolian led stable he wouldn't be getting this boost.
Fighting all the top rikishi is an easy schedule? Who else could they have him fight? He already crushed all the other divisions.
Isegahama isn’t shimpan/judges chief anymore since last year.