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I come from the future, and I know the answer. . . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . . . .. It's Hoshoryu.

Takakeisho fulfilled Yokozuna reqs, but everyone knew, by that time, he was close to the end of his career. Nobody wanted another Kisenosato situation. It was just bad luck and bad timing for Takakeisho. He was a great Ozeki, though.

When the guys biggest weakness is that he is too good at grappling/throwing. I woould say he is pretty good at sumo…

Please continue with these longer videos. I, and everyone else who watches these videos, yearn for it. Good stuff guys.

I feel bad about Takakeisho not getting Yokozuna. I was not watching then but the little time I had watching him fight I absolutely loved. I did see one video, I don't remember which, that brought up something about how his "good" basho, the 13-2, was his yusho and hos "bad", the 12-3, was his jun-yusho and that also hurt his chances on top of his injury concerns. The theory being that Hosh got a yusho equivalent because he went a strong 13-2 but just didn't win and 12-3 isn't considered "yusho equivalent". So, in essence, Nephew got equivalent to two yusho and the battle hamster only got one. Tenuous for sure, but isn't it always when your dealing with subjective judgment I guess? I loved the talk about Takakeisho. There's definitely an experience and learning hump he needs to combine with his raw power and skill before we start talking about his actual ceiling. I do think Onosato will get to Yokozuna but damn, he has a hole in his game where if his opponent is able to get his throat and lift him straight up, his balance goes straight to heck and he becomes super vulnerable. I know at least three of his losses in Jan followed that pattern. Maybe it's because I'm 45 and know how much...well, everything, hurts after I get back from the gym but, a big story for me is the continued efforts of the iron man Tamawashi. How long will he keep it up? How long will his body hold out? Will he keep going till he starts to break down or will he walk away when he's able to still relatively unbroken compared to so many of his contemporaries?

Also, you've got to love Abi

Hoshoryu is arguably the most skilled rikishi, and he's only getting better. I hope he'll be a great Yokozuna.

I think a serious thing to consider is how fun Hoshoryu is to watch. His energy is infectious. I think having a very young and healthy yokozuna for the first time in a good while is going to be so good for sumo! I'm excited for sure and have to wonder if that plays a part.

Aloha, if I could make a small contribution to the thread. JSA Chairman Hakkaku Oyakata, who fought as Hoshi then Hokutoumi, Won the 1987 Haru Basho with a 12-3 record then followed up with a 13-2 Jun-Yusho in the very bext basho. He would be promoted to Yokozuna and join Chiyonofuji and Futahaguro (Kitao) I believe this example dispells any thought of Hoshoryu being promoted because there was no yokozuna ("Nokozuna") Mahalo for allowing me to be in the chat 🤙

God, it's hard to put up with Takakeisho's widows.

Should be a very entertaining year with so many interesting story lines to play out and watch: 1) Kirishima - on a run back to Ozeki? 2) Daieisho- finally completes his Ozeki run? 3) Waka brothers - near the end of the line or just a bad January? 4) Kotozakura - will he regroup and come back strong or is he now a middling Ozeki? 5) Onosato - does he stop being lazy in practice, puts in the work, and settles in at Ozeki before making a rope run? 6) Shshi - has his head together and is ready to be a mainstay in the top division? 7) Aonishiki - is he ready for the big show? 8) Takerufuji and Hakuoho - will they charge up the banzuke? 9) Abi - how many times will he play spoiler this year? 10) Kinbozan - is he for real and how far can he go in the next 5 basho? 11) Oho - one off basho or primed to be a sanyaku player? 12) Atamifuji - will he figure out that size is not enough and really work on developing skills? 13 Tamawashi - how many more years can the iron man last? 14) How much of the old dead weight is going to retire (Daishoho, Daiamami, Bushozan, Shimanoumi, Tsurugisho, Shiden, Mitakeumi, Takarafuji, Churanoumi, Hokutofuji)? 15) Hoshoryu - is he "The Man"? (I for one sure hope so and wish that The Evil Nephew has a long and very successful run at Yokozuna) 16) 2025 - who are the real contenders that will step up and keep our young Yokozuna honest and on his toes?

You guys are too funny calling Kotozakura "One of the titans".

P.S. A Bulgarian here who'd love to hear yours thoughts on Aoiyama and Kotooshu - I started seriously watching sumo way after their prime and was wondering how they looked when you're not rooting for them as compatriots>

The fact that they had to give Hoshoryu an obviously injured opponent for his last day to get him into a playoff, and promoted him off of a three-way playoff with FEWER wins than his jun yusho, I just don't see how that's worthy of the promotion. There was no good reason to promote him before March's results, other than ticket sales. I don't think Hoshoryu is truly ready for the rank yet, but I have ALWAYS thought that he will be promoted before he retires, same with Kotozakura same with Onosato. I think the Hoshoryu stans among the Western fan community are the same toxic losers who used to loudly support Shodai while he was ozeki and constantly shout down Takakeisho despite the fact that historically the latter was clearly a superior ozeki. 🤷

You guys missed the obvious with Takakeisho. His opening jun yusho in both cases, was not considered a yusho equivalent. This was clear a basho ahead of time. Now you are rewriting history to be puzzled about this. It was all very clear at the time. Had nothing to do with whether there were 0 or 2 yokozuna on the banzuke.

I think there's definitely gonna be a narrative that Hosh doesn't deserve it until he goes out and wins another two and everyone forgets what they were saying. Just as two bad tournaments in a row will start a new narrative probably, sumo is so demanding at the top...

Know who was robbed a yoko promo? Raiden Tameemon. SMH

Next ozeki: daisho and chiyoshoma. Go elder millennials!

They should've waited to see if he won in March before promoting him imo.

Great discussion. The problem is not Hoshoryu' s performance or record. The problem is the JSA. If you are going to say you need a Yusho + an equivalent, then it should be cut and dry, with no deliberations by a kabal of old men trying to keep the sport in the 1950s. Promotion shouldn't be open to opinions, just cold hard facts like just about every other sport. There should be no discussion of is he worthy, only discussions after the fact when he retires...was he a good or bad Yokozuna, just like we judge the legacies of any other sporting standout. I think Takakeisho was robbed, even if history will have looked back on him and say he wasn't the best Yokozuna. Yokozuna should equal record and it should be written in stone with no compromises. If they want to say you need at least 27 wins along with the title + equivalent, so be it. But just please write it down, stick to it and put all of the gray area politics to rest. Keep up the great work! :D

"What about Takakeisho?" Do you really believe Takakeisho was Yokozuna material? He didn't have the body or stamina for the role. His dohyo iri would of been unpleasant to watch and it would of tired him out for the day.

When Takakeisho had one of his 12-3 runner-ups, the JSA did not say that his performance was equal to an equivalent before the next basho. However, when Hoshoryu got his 13-2 runner-up, the JSA did say that it was an equivalent performance. That was said before the next basho JAN 2025.

Also look at Takerufuji’s first tournament when he beats Kotozakura and Onosato but loses to Hoshoryu!!!!!!! Also Hoshoryu beat Hakuoho on day 15 of the July 2023 tournament to end Hakuho’s Yusho chance!!!!!!!! HOSHORYU IS A ROADBLOCK!!!!!!!!

HOSHORYU WOULD’VE WENT 14-1 IN NOVEMBER HAD HE NOT GOTTEN ROBBED IN THE ABI MATCH!!!!!!!!

As to why Takakeisho didn't get yoko from his run, it's pretty simple. His jun-yusho was never called a yusho equivalent. If the requirement is to win two yusho, and you tell a guy that he has a yusho equivalent, and he wins another, he has to get it in my book.

i think 12-3 is not considered yusho equivalent, that's why takakeisho never got the rope. On the other hand hoshoryu got 13-2 JY which is yusho equivalent and 12-3 yusho so he met the criteria. Which is a bit stupid because they both got the same amount of wins and yusho, but it is what it is.

I don't know if ANYONE saw the run King-bouzan has been putting on coming.

To me, it looks like Koto has a neck injury. The back of his neck is very swollen compared to normal. The swelling has started going down, but those first few days, it was VERY swollen.

Everyone says sumo is in a recession where no one is good enough to get to the top. I present a different perspective. What if the average level of rikishi has risen, and it’s the abundance of skill and strength that that results in a more equal field, not a lack of skill and strength. More guys now come from places like saitama sakae and Tottori johoku the two high school powerhouses in addition to the plethora of university guys. With better, stricter, and less volatile methods than the stables of old, these schools could be churning out better average talent than before where the everyday makuuchi rikishi joined at 15 and slogged through to the top? I think in that scenario is took exceptional talent to stand out, but better coaching in high school and universities has evened the playing field.

Rooting for my underdog boys Oho and Takerufuji!