Are We Watching History with Takerufuji?
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Yet again a Makuuchi Debutant runs out to a yusho lead, but this time looks like he may get it done! Takerufuji has tied the great Yokozuna Taiho's 11 win debut record. With Yokozuna Terunofuji out again, will either Ozeki Kotonowaka or Hoshoryu be able to stop him?
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Guys, PLEASE do a video on Takerufuji's win! The guy hasn't had a make-koshi in his career, came out of nowhere (isn't even that young) and how Isegahama Beya has 7 top rikishi is beyond me.
But above all, please make some predictions about the next banzuke, I can't possibly wait another month to see it!
(sorry if you see this comment twice, the previous one had links and I think the platform deleted it)
Oh we're right there with you on the excitement level and thoroughly in awe of Lat-zilla Takerufuji's performance! Isegahama is impossibly stacked and even with the forthcoming turnover look set for the future with the likes of Takerufuji and Atamifuji leading the way. With Atamifuji's shoulder and Takerufuji's ankle though I'm curious Jay, who do you think has the brighter future and how bright do you think it will be?
@@kinboshisumo Thank you for recording that video, folks, I couldn't wait to hear your take on the March basho.
I was really skeptical about Takerufuji but then I saw his interviews after his kachi-koshi on Day 8 and his title. He basically said "work's not done" in the first (then went to beat Onosato and Kotonowaka) and talked about the duties of a rikishi in the second one. Very untypical of a rookie. With the quality of training and mentorship he'll get at Isegahama and being so mature, I'm really keen on seeing his career unfold.
Atamifuji seems like he has a lot more to work on the mental side of his sumo, which I keep thinking is the "wall" that keeps most good players from becoming great. Too much of a nice guy to be a great, a bit like Ura, but what do I really know.
RUclips randomly put this tournament on my television and I watched through all the days they have up. I might just be a new fan of this sport!
Yaaaaas!!!! So happy to read this comment and others like it! Welcome to the sumo family, let us know any questions you have! We're super fortunate that 99/100 people who comment on our channel are super positive and just love sumo and want a healthy community to talk about it so we'd love to have you in the community!
@@kinboshisumo thank you!
On Takerufuji - You are all missing a big piece. 1) I think the surprise is part of it. Nobody has fought him and he has a unique style (more on that later). I think if Kotonowaka practiced 6 matches against Takerufuji, then in a real bout Kotonowaka would have a good chance to beat him.
2) Everyone is focusing on his upper body. Its his LEGS that are the key. His legs are smaller than other rikishi. But his legs and feet are quicker and have more agility. He is able to move quicker in a short distance which builds momentum. Here are a couple examples: Watch his Kotonowaka match again. Koto had him after the tachia. But then a gap opened between them. Taker closed the gap with multiple QUICK steps to build momentum. Taker took 2-3 quick steps before Koto took 1. Once Koto started moving back it was all over . Example 2, The Onosato and Abi matches. Both Abi and Onosato tried to pivot and side step after the tachia. Taker's quick feet allowed him to pivot and keep square with his opponent to drive them out.
So its his quick feet that allows him to build major momentum and also go side to side if need be. He can take 3-4 steps in a span where other rikishi are taking 2-3. You have a big guy in upper body but smaller/quick/agile guy on the lower half. Pretty unique
I think these are great points. We've definitely seen point #1 play out time and time again in recent memory with all these debutants flirting with a yusho. The surprise factor is massive and you can take a step back once they learn you. The bigger sign of a great rikishi is when they snap back positively (Atamifuji and now Gonoyama after some struggles) rather than getting stuck in mid Maegashira (Kinbozan and Shonannoumi although still PLENTY of time for them both to snap back and challenge for San'yaku).
On point #2 very good argument and we took it to heart in the next video we just posted today. Small legs are terryfing in sumo in that you need that lower body power (Asanoyama makes hay with his lower body thrusts in the tachiai!) but we've seen multiple wrestlers recently with skinny legs (most noticably Abi and Ichiyamamoto) using lateral quickness as a backup strategy to surprise opponents and generate Plan B wins. Like you say though, whats more impressive in Takerufuji's case is how strong his Plan A is with that upper body and then the ability to have that light on his feet lateral movement in Plan B! Thanks for sharing this analysis!
The sumo world is back in balance with my guy Hoshoryu stepping up and throwing him with force. Also koto stepped up too. Good job today ozeki's. Except kiri. Must be injured and it's sad.
We're also both strongly hoping for the quick Kiri bounceback, but like you said Hoshoryu and Koto both look VERY deserving of the Ozeki titles. I'd love it if in 18 months we were talking about those two as rival Yokozunas!
Takerufuji has got to be the strongest wrestler out there right now , he was moving the two largest wrestlers in the top division with ease. And with his young age and his massive upper body size he has to be on a crazy upper body weight lifting routine , i can only guess but i'd put money down that he can bench press over 500lbs and maybe even near or over 600lbs.
But now as we saw today any wrestler who's truly good at judo has a decent to good chance at beating him , getting him off balance and hip throwing him. I wish we could have a video collection of all his losses and see if they were all similar because i don't see any pusher style of wrestler overpowering/beating him unless he's injured n some way and not at 100%.
Him being able to overpower Kotonowaka was really impressive. I think he has a big advantage that his other techniques aren't well known at this point
"It is also noted that Takerufuji can lift 220 kg (490 lb; 35 st) in the bench press. Nevertheless, after the January 2024 tournament, he revealed that on the advice of Yokozuna Terunofuji he had refrained from continuing any strength training in order to focus more on the lower body."
WIKI: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takerufuji_Mikiya
Whoa love this thread, great points and conversation and loved that quote confirming the bench press but also the anecdote about Teru coaching him to change up his training! That stuff is so interesting and I absolutely love whenever these little comments pop out about Teru's mentoring ability. He honestly seems great at it and just like @James_Ford4815 says he seems to be giving very good advice to Takerufuji in this instance. If your key asset is already among the best in sumo (his upper body strength) it might be time to start focusing on removing weaknesses (vulnerability to Judo leg sweeps etc). Thanks for commenting all, loved this thread!
@@kinboshisumo True that, thank you for focusing on that side of Teru's work. As someone who's been devotedly watching only since January 2023, I would have easily missed much of his legacy.
I am personally still waiting on Hoshoryu to make the next step. I ve been waiting to see that next step to see if he's going to be a yokozuna in the next two years. He's young and has time. I don't know if anyone else has noticed he's changed his style a lot. Alot less throws and more frontal force outs. Is that due to injury or to save himself from injury? He pulls out the throw when he needs them but much less than before. Personally i think he needs a little more size . Kiri is about perfect size and I would like to see Hoshoryu get a little more muscle and weight behind him to absorb charges and have more behind his frontal pushing. Just my opinion. But that's the fan of Hoshoryu talking.
I think he is playing smart and knows it could extend his career
@@teamabi i kinda been leaning towards that opinion myself. Thinking the throws have a higher risk of injury. But he is still using them when needed . He used takerfujui momentum against him perfectly. It was nice to see.
The return of the anabolic 80s. I am old enough to remember Chiyonofuji and his 55 fight win "streak". This dude looks nothing like a sumo wrestler and yet tosses 300-pound guys to the side like nothing. Does the sumo association even test for serious PEDS?
Honestly an important and serious question. To my knowledge the JSA does not test for any performance enhancing drugs which... I mean... whatever, everyone is going to have extremely divisive feelings on that in both directions, but personally (this is Rick not Nick) my fear is always toward the health of the athletes. If the JSA wants them to use PEDs, fine. But regulate it. Have healthcare professionals in there monitoring the wrestlers vitals and ensuring they do no longterm damage to their bodies. If the JSA doesn't want them to use PEDs, also fine. Create clear and enforceable rules to keep them out to the best of your ability. Educate wrestlers on the risks to try to dissuade use. Stuff that like. Again, whatever the JSA wants to do I don't care I just hate the no stance middle ground that leaves not only room but almost encourages the potential for risk and disaster. (As an aside I have seen coverage that an unexpected PED in sumo is insulin being abused by rikishi to help them gain weight. That is not good for someone's body, and again regulation feels like the answer, not lawlessness).
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Kinda bummed it was Hosh that beat him, im not a Hosh fan.
Big Hosh fan so i am very ecstatic.
@@bp6475 Hes not winning the yusho so im more than ok with that, its Takerufuji's to lose.
@@colinmathie2710 It's still in the realm of possibility for Hosh but the stars have to align and that's way too hopeful and convenient to happen for him.
Huge Hosh fan, but wanted Taker to win. Just happy it wasn't a henka.
I really wasn't a huge fan either, but he has started to win me over. He doesn't put up big numbers like we want, but his style has been maturing and overall isn't doing poorly.
Regret he lost to anyone on day 12. At least Mr. Henka Hoshoryu beat him with a tachiai (stand and meet), not stepping aside to avoid and beat him.
I mean he pulled a henka against Roga too 😂
@@internetpolizei It's a trash move, no matter who does it, of course. If henkas were the norm, sumo would dwindle to nothing. It's unsportsmanlike. It's like one guy goes hunting for wild game in the wild, the game have a fair chance to get away. Another guy goes to a legal canned hunt, a caged animal released that he bags. The first guy is a sportsman. The second is a hack.
No less than Hakuho used the henka on occasion, and he said that he would use it whenever it was needed. So glad that internet "experts" know more than the man with more championships than anybody is history.
Frankly, if your opponent is going to sell out to an all out low charge at the tachiai which will give them an advantage, why would any rikishi who wants to win matches let them do that? The henka makes the opponents approach the tachiai more cautiously which it to their disadvantage. If sumo "weenies" think the henka is so unsportsmanlike, then petition the sumo council to actually make it illegal.
@@twostate7822 Like I said, I don't like it, no matter who does it. That doesn't make me an expert that I don't, nor make anyone who does an expert. I don't like certain foods. Are you a 3 Star Michelin chef if you like what I don't? Personal preference.
@@orlandofurioso7958 Calling a henka unsportsmanlike goes beyond personal preference. If MLB's best fastball pitcher strikes somebody out with a changeup is that unsportsmanlike? If the NFL's best running team runs halfback option or a double pass play, is that unsportsmanlike?
Legal move unsportsmanlike.
Illegal move == unsportsmanlike
Question: Is it better to stand in the way of a charge that will probably beat you, or move out of the way and more likely win? At the end of the day, a win is a win is a win. BTW, a lot of henka moves results in a loss to the guy who did the henka, so it's not without risk.
Taker took roids i believe
Thank you for the conversation starter! I (this is Rick not Nick... I don't want to put words in Nick's mouth) try not to comment / speculate on stuff like this just cuz idk... I feel awkward when I don't have definitive proof of claims like these BUT you're bringing up an incredibly important issue in my opinion so thank you for the comment!!
I won't tie you up by reposting the whole thing here, but if you're interested I'd love to hear your thoughts on my response to peterhaslund's comment in this video and the wider discussion of PEDs in sumo!