I have left a few honorable mentions at the end, hinting of what I myself consider playing as an alt (I won't spoil). I will be releasing a Mythic+ comp video this Sunday and I believe Melee cleave actually might not be that bad.
I feel like your really underestimating enhance for keys, it does insane damage and survivability is pretty much the same as ele yet it’s 1 point lower.
Frost DK gameplay wise is okay. Playing around DnD still blows. And outside of your CDs you might as well do nothing cause everything hit for practically nothing.
@@ironsideeve2955 Rogue brings plenty of utility. We have soothes with shiv (2 charges with a very quick cooldown), we have sap and shroud for skipping packs, blind/gouge/cheap shot for stuns and interrupts along with our kick. We have damage reduction (group wide, not just for ourselves) and enemy cast speed reduction with our poisons. Not to mention insane personal utility, we're probably one of the most tanky dps specs. There's reasons for disliking rogue, but our utility is not one of those
hey, i dont mean to judge i just wanna learn. I played boomie and ele shaman in shadowlands for an entire expension and ele seemed soooo much harder to play with. Seen you rank both of them as equal in easy to play i just wondered if you'd think the same
People learn at different rates. This is Petkos list. So it's subjective 😊 Just because he finds it easy doesn't mean newcomers will. Everything is subjective. Play what you find enjoyable, cool and you learn faster because u are enjoying the class/specc as a whole 😊
Great info, thanks! Question on Frost DK: Despite all the positives you listed, isn't DK hard/frustrating to main - given it's the slowest class in the game unmounted? So many wow mechanics are made easier or trivialized with good movement speed/abilities.. So feels like Frost DK will always be at disadvantage in M+ and raid, or do you just get used to walking slow eventually?
They are getting a perma combat mount open world and a 10 one like pala inside with RoTA. So sped wise they won’t be as bad but still not a very mobile class.
As I said multiple times in the video, the spreadsheet is about to be updated tomorrow, after the most recent changes to WW. I stand my ground to ret tho, all and all is great but st is really something they should look at improving when playing hybrid builds
@@peettko I do agree with you mostly. But honestly Retri should have a higher score on AoE. I have seen quite some retri players just going bonkers on a lot of pulls (in mythic keys)and unleash insane AoE damage and topping the dmg meter. Insanely bursty AoE dmg and with the right talents can do it every 30 seconds. (so basically every pack pull) But yea, on single target, they are quite lacking, its okay-ish, but quite some other melee specs that are better in Single Target dmg.
@@peettkoyea i also think their aoe should be higher score. St is a little low but aoe is definitely competing with dk imo. Also uhdk should be higher in aoe than frost. Frost isnt really aoeing it's mostly cleaving off prio damage. I guess unless you are defining aoe differently then fair enough but perhaps clarify the column
@@arzos2603frost is better ST, waaaay better cleave, similar if not better aoe, more burst and easier to play. UH is simply redundant compared to frost
I have left a few honorable mentions at the end, hinting of what I myself consider playing as an alt (I won't spoil). I will be releasing a Mythic+ comp video this Sunday and I believe Melee cleave actually might not be that bad.
Bugs have been resolved for sin. Sin is better then frost right now
Not for casual level keys, on high level keys it is.@@GamerzFaiths
@@peettko I agree with this statement
I feel like your really underestimating enhance for keys, it does insane damage and survivability is pretty much the same as ele yet it’s 1 point lower.
Thanks Petko, banger as always, really gave me a tough choice between DK and Demon hunter... got a lot to think about..
Frost DK gameplay wise is okay. Playing around DnD still blows. And outside of your CDs you might as well do nothing cause everything hit for practically nothing.
It’s really not a problem if you use it correctly and intelligently. It lasts the full pillar now and you can even leave it for 4 secs
Every other RUclipsr out there hating on sin rogue right now. Good to see this perspective
I mean rogue is a dps only class with rly no utility.
It skittles be top dps.
Mind you, hunter should be top dps also.
@@ironsideeve2955 Rogue brings plenty of utility. We have soothes with shiv (2 charges with a very quick cooldown), we have sap and shroud for skipping packs, blind/gouge/cheap shot for stuns and interrupts along with our kick. We have damage reduction (group wide, not just for ourselves) and enemy cast speed reduction with our poisons. Not to mention insane personal utility, we're probably one of the most tanky dps specs. There's reasons for disliking rogue, but our utility is not one of those
@@ironsideeve2955 Bro really said rogue brings no utility lmaooo
Definitely going to main a havoc demon hunter
Ty for the video
hey, i dont mean to judge i just wanna learn. I played boomie and ele shaman in shadowlands for an entire expension and ele seemed soooo much harder to play with. Seen you rank both of them as equal in easy to play i just wondered if you'd think the same
People learn at different rates. This is Petkos list. So it's subjective 😊 Just because he finds it easy doesn't mean newcomers will. Everything is subjective. Play what you find enjoyable, cool and you learn faster because u are enjoying the class/specc as a whole 😊
We gonna see a caster meta, so I think havoc gonna see play way more than warrior to be honest.
What is for You high keys and mid keys? Numbers please
no enhance shaman?!? that has to be in a melee comp! :P
Next joke
JUST TAKE A RESTO SHAMAN it brings the same stuff
Great info, thanks! Question on Frost DK: Despite all the positives you listed, isn't DK hard/frustrating to main - given it's the slowest class in the game unmounted? So many wow mechanics are made easier or trivialized with good movement speed/abilities.. So feels like Frost DK will always be at disadvantage in M+ and raid, or do you just get used to walking slow eventually?
They are getting a perma combat mount open world and a 10 one like pala inside with RoTA. So sped wise they won’t be as bad but still not a very mobile class.
ret and ww seem low to me
As I said multiple times in the video, the spreadsheet is about to be updated tomorrow, after the most recent changes to WW. I stand my ground to ret tho, all and all is great but st is really something they should look at improving when playing hybrid builds
@@peettko I do agree with you mostly. But honestly Retri should have a higher score on AoE. I have seen quite some retri players just going bonkers on a lot of pulls (in mythic keys)and unleash insane AoE damage and topping the dmg meter. Insanely bursty AoE dmg and with the right talents can do it every 30 seconds. (so basically every pack pull)
But yea, on single target, they are quite lacking, its okay-ish, but quite some other melee specs that are better in Single Target dmg.
@@peettkoyea i also think their aoe should be higher score. St is a little low but aoe is definitely competing with dk imo. Also uhdk should be higher in aoe than frost. Frost isnt really aoeing it's mostly cleaving off prio damage. I guess unless you are defining aoe differently then fair enough but perhaps clarify the column
It's going to suck if frost dk gets nerfed, I've already seen a new meta of 3x Frost DK in high keys for the beta.
Doing shit like that will defs get it nerfed into the ground
Best argument for nerfs is shit like that😂
time stamp your videos
why the fuck is rogue so high on sustain dmg. makes no sense. you cant have control and high sustain at the same time.
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Really hate how I was so excited to play unholy and all it is is Brian dead frost with 2 one handers….. I hate blizzard man
you can still play unholy whats holding u back lmao
@@arzos2603frost is better ST, waaaay better cleave, similar if not better aoe, more burst and easier to play. UH is simply redundant compared to frost
yeh bro unholy is not in a bad state at all, unless ur in the top 0.1% of mythic+ groups it really doesn't matter. play what's fun.
Who killed Brian?
@@arzos2603 the fact no one invites you when you get into that top 1% range unless you're ok the fotm