It's like in the game heroes of might and magic, there may be more than a hundred ordinary warriors in one squad, but there are dozens of elite and units of legendary warriors
@@umifeelsbad9337 indeed, it's a fact that gameplay and lore are completely disconnected. There is no upscaling or downscaling that could make gameplay make sense lorewise~
@@CombatMagic I can't really grasp that idea, I played a few real scale mods, most notably the heart of the swarm one. That mod did an amazing job at making you feel like an endless swarm. Sure they can't give you billions of zerg, but they got as close as possible without bricking your computer as soon as you pressed play
I always like to think a single unit in any rts represents a battalion of them. Like ur fighting for an entire planet right, one unit represents thousands and thousands of units.
Smaller units I usually go based off their health that's how many units it counts as but vehicles I go usually about every 10 or so health depending on the game but I feel it I do the same thing @@Alex-d3l9b
Depends on the RTS I suppose, but nah, normally the map doesn't represent a whole planet. Just like I dno a city, small map size might be a smaller city and a larger map be like a Metropolis.
@gustavostyle This is common problem in tabletop gaming, esp W40k. If you play as space marine, things are ok, but once you switch to imperium of man, ork or God help you,' nids, things get annoying. When I've recreated few fights from lore books, buddy get swarmed instantly lol. But to be fair, it was 30 or so SM, few dreadnoughts, artillery systems and close air support vs my close to 3000 Tyranids 😱😁🤣
Maybe in the scenario they're using rockets and the game only shows the default rifle fire, because the devs were too lazy to make weapon swapping visuals?!?
@@novitrix9671 how dare you suggest that what we see on screen is not whats actually happening in game. This aint no tabletop rpg. (But with the inconsistencies in unit sizes, that could be the case.)
@@joff2292 even the Hyperion is not that big if memory serves right. Yes, technically city sized, but they are on the smaller size, 1-2km long at most. Still very cool though.
Dragoons. They were repurposed space mining suits; just like scouts were repurposed asteroid scouting ships (like, for finding ores and stuff) and reavers being generic mobile factories retrofitted to make the little kamikaze drones we call scarabs The Colossus is actually the first piece of protos tech we've seen that was explicitly made for warfare (I'm pretty sure at least; maybe they unveiled the immortal earlier). All of SC1/BW protos tech was some kind of repurposed or retrofitted civilian equipment (except archons I guess... but they're kind of a special case in the lore)
I still remember this day when I decided to play Protoss when casters were screaming that colossus came out and I thought this thing is something huge like mothership or something game braking. Turns out it was just clutch to deal with a timing attack but still... The hype was real
That is a fantastic concept for an RTS, where the size of Tier 2 and then Tier 3 units scale up in size dramatically. The Tier 3 units would essentially ignore the Tier 1 because they have bigger fish to fry, and vice versa because without significant numbers they wouldn't make a dent. Is there already a game like this?
i have always assumed that their is a sort of internal scale for the various troops. Example: 1 carrier is literally 1 carrier while 1 viking is actually 6 or so.
so for balance in the next patch they should make it lore sized. maybe then there will be a protoss GSL winner for the first time in years. sad that on the whole council theres only one protoss player and the rest are zerg and terran. really shows in the latest patches. sad sad days
Yeah, but in the lore it would probably also cost 150k minerals and 100k gas, plus untold amount of solarite and woukd take 50 different buildings and a phase-smith of highest caliber to costruct, so it all evens out in the end.
Lore colossus is like an Imperium Dreadnaught. By the way if you want aomething to read, most warhammer books are great. One called Deathstorm has a dreadnaught who falls to the black rage after 300 years. Cassor The Mad talks over the vox (loudspeaker) in third person while fighting a tyranid and its hilarious.
Sometimes, they do actually have better technology, especially when terrans adapt protoss technology and make it better, like making fully automatic wesp station
If it was lore wise zerg gonna have 80 hydra before collosus even out at field and zerg can just hit their production instead fighting head on what can 2 collosus fight against split up army of zerg
Hydra DPS kings. A bakers dozen roaches and a lil zergling fodder.. ctrl group hydras and double nydus worm backdoor. No one expects a second NydalWorm surgical backdoor. Fully upgrade them hydras now. FTMFS
I have only been playing for 3 years but I have thought that from day 1. We can just assume that the legs on these things are at least a meter thick so that even a tank wouldn't do any damage.
IDC much about lore so I choose to believe that Starcraft units represent a group of whatever they are. So a unit of marines is like ten of them while a battlecruiser is just one. It would explain why you only need six marine units to blow up a capital ship. That'd be a whole ass 60 gauss rifles unloading into the hull!
If all unit where accurately lore sized this game will be something when you know a giant mech can at least kill a lot of army alone or event the space ship , me thinks how a Thor will look like if lore size ( power out put will be way too stronge for simple unit )
Protoss Collossus is one of their true warmachines. They first use it in the Kalath Intercession where they intervene on the civil war. The machines were so effective that it reduced the Kalathi back to the stone age. The results was so appalling to the Protoss that they changed their foreign policy concerning interacting technologically less advanced races.
Колосс по лору - здоровенный 65-ти метровый робот с огромной огневой мощью, его термальные лучи способны испепелять целые армии, он - буквально венец протосской инженерии в наземной техники. По лору протоссы вообще обязались запечатать колоссов и никогда их не использовать, потому что они обладали слишком большой разрушительной силой (был один момент, когда протоссы случайно уничтожили разумный вид +- нашего уровня развития чисто парой колоссов, которые просто выжгли всю планету). А теперь представь гидралиска, который максимум 4 метра в высоту. По факту даже несколько сотен гидралисков ничего не сделают колоссу - они просто не смогут повредить ни его броню, ни пробить щиты своими иглами, в то же время колосс с одного залпа термальных лучей способен сжечь целую колонию зергов. По факту колосс очень силен, наверное это самый сильный наземный юнит, возможно, разве что, уступающий гигантским видам ультралиска (например омегалиску, который по размерам больше Годзиллы будет) и Одину, и то не факт. Просто в угоду баланса его сильно занизили. И это не единственный пример, крупные корабли терранов и протоссов, по типу батлов или кериаров, вообще исчисляются километрами длины - дай им оригинальный размер, и они просто не поместятся на карте)
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Tbf 80 hydras in the case of the regular game is probably 800 at least in lore while the collosus equates to 1 collosus.
It's like in the game heroes of might and magic, there may be more than a hundred ordinary warriors in one squad, but there are dozens of elite and units of legendary warriors
don't try to scale it up and down, is just not meant to~
@@CombatMagic Unfortunately for that idea, StarCraft does in fact have lore~
@@umifeelsbad9337 indeed, it's a fact that gameplay and lore are completely disconnected. There is no upscaling or downscaling that could make gameplay make sense lorewise~
@@CombatMagic I can't really grasp that idea, I played a few real scale mods, most notably the heart of the swarm one. That mod did an amazing job at making you feel like an endless swarm. Sure they can't give you billions of zerg, but they got as close as possible without bricking your computer as soon as you pressed play
Ok, now I need a lore-accurate Zerg army. Because there is no way 80 hydras are an army.
I always like to think a single unit in any rts represents a battalion of them. Like ur fighting for an entire planet right, one unit represents thousands and thousands of units.
@@Alex-d3l9boh like in hero’s of might and magic where a single unit can have like 200 soldiers in it
Smaller units I usually go based off their health that's how many units it counts as but vehicles I go usually about every 10 or so health depending on the game but I feel it I do the same thing @@Alex-d3l9b
Depends on the RTS I suppose, but nah, normally the map doesn't represent a whole planet. Just like I dno a city, small map size might be a smaller city and a larger map be like a Metropolis.
There are real scale mods for the 3 main campaigns, go try it out for yourself
80 hydras in game
4 billions in lore
The whole Char population is in billions, most of them are lings.
Hhahahaa
@gustavostyle
This is common problem in tabletop gaming, esp W40k. If you play as space marine, things are ok, but once you switch to imperium of man, ork or God help you,' nids, things get annoying. When I've recreated few fights from lore books, buddy get swarmed instantly lol. But to be fair, it was 30 or so SM, few dreadnoughts, artillery systems and close air support vs my close to 3000 Tyranids 😱😁🤣
Yeah yeah
And they will survive by eating air
When 15 Marines destroy a space cruiser 💀
Ik what you mean, the mod does it justice.
Maybe in the scenario they're using rockets and the game only shows the default rifle fire, because the devs were too lazy to make weapon swapping visuals?!?
@@novitrix9671 how dare you suggest that what we see on screen is not whats actually happening in game.
This aint no tabletop rpg.
(But with the inconsistencies in unit sizes, that could be the case.)
@@iforgotmyname1885 'room for imagination'
@@novitrix9671 i know what you mean.
They wouldn't have lost their homeworld if the collosusi weren't minified.
Sus?
They only had reavers none of them fancy laser beaming towers you spoiled brats get today.
@@mwperk02 12 x reavers in shuttles covered by 12 scouts = the best winning strategy of SC
@@Northerner-Not-A-Doctor스카웃리버는 저그전 이벤트성 조합 아닌가요
@@요요요-q9x스카웃 뽑을 자원이 아깝긴 하지만 셔틀리버는 여전히 주요한 견제전략이긴 합니다.
Lore Colossus' shield stopped flickering, the ant sized hydras actually took down the Colossus shield
It's not surprising, the Colossi itself is pretty fragile.
@@failing244usually siege weapons dont go near the battle line so it makes sense they're fragile
The buff toss needs currently 😂
Hydra’s at lore size when they see a Collosus: *gulp* drops zerg egg
Hydra’s at normal size when they see a Collosus: 🗿
what about Battlecruiser? It is a small city size ship.
check the mod they use, realistic starcraft size mod on Giantgrantgames channel. The protoss mothership and battlecruiser are like MAP sized lol
@@brichess8227 Mothership is impossible to recreate cus it's incomparably bigger than the map
Actually, the battlecruiser we see in game is not that big in lore, bc in sc2 they are minotaur class and not the behemoth class like the hyperion
@@joff2292 even the Hyperion is not that big if memory serves right. Yes, technically city sized, but they are on the smaller size, 1-2km long at most.
Still very cool though.
Ok now I need a fucking Starcraft MOVIE UNIVERSE
Just go watch all game cinematics from sc 2 haha
@@CaseyWoolums-ze5hv watched a zillion times already.
But real colossus would be 100x more expensive as well (judging by volume)
Debatable, since most protoss stuff is automated i believe, or at least helped immensely by automation that they only need a few workers.
Did you actually know collosi in the lore were mining bots?
Wait what??? where I can see it?
@@BlakyLAi think you need to find the collosus lore
I think those were the reavers. I seem to recall colossus being despised by the orotoss, for they were always designed to be murder tools.
Dragoons. They were repurposed space mining suits; just like scouts were repurposed asteroid scouting ships (like, for finding ores and stuff) and reavers being generic mobile factories retrofitted to make the little kamikaze drones we call scarabs
The Colossus is actually the first piece of protos tech we've seen that was explicitly made for warfare (I'm pretty sure at least; maybe they unveiled the immortal earlier). All of SC1/BW protos tech was some kind of repurposed or retrofitted civilian equipment (except archons I guess... but they're kind of a special case in the lore)
Yee protos have like no real army most time it moding civilian stuff like reaver destroyer of world who was just a bus xd
I still remember this day when I decided to play Protoss when casters were screaming that colossus came out and I thought this thing is something huge like mothership or something game braking. Turns out it was just clutch to deal with a timing attack but still... The hype was real
More lore videos please. I love seeing the size and real power from lore.
the real massive mech
It is kinda funny that the Protoss solution to any problem is to just make it bigger.
Colossus should cost 1500 minerals but be strong as lore!
Come play beyond all reason. We have mechs 50x the size of the beginning units
And have lore-accurate build time too
@@naervern2107 that should be few seconds since toss are just warping in machines that are constructed in the depth of aiur
As a Zerg, I’m not complaining, just here to explain that an lore sized Overlord can sit on that Colossus, hawk tuah style
CHEESUS CRUST! I forgot how huge a colossus is lore wise.
That is a fantastic concept for an RTS, where the size of Tier 2 and then Tier 3 units scale up in size dramatically. The Tier 3 units would essentially ignore the Tier 1 because they have bigger fish to fry, and vice versa because without significant numbers they wouldn't make a dent. Is there already a game like this?
Este muchacho me llena de orgullo
Wait till bro sees lore accurate capital protos ships
love it!! BRING BACK THE LORE!!!!
for some reason I expected colossus to do moonwalk with this song
this is the reason watching the "real scale" mods is so fun
Id hate to see a Colussus irl cause thats MASSIVE. Hyrdas are taller than humand right?
Way bigger, like 3m tall.
I see giant grant games Real scale legacy play through is in the works
i have always assumed that their is a sort of internal scale for the various troops. Example: 1 carrier is literally 1 carrier while 1 viking is actually 6 or so.
lore size colossus cost?
I like to think of each unit as a representation of a much larger force
so for balance in the next patch they should make it lore sized. maybe then there will be a protoss GSL winner for the first time in years. sad that on the whole council theres only one protoss player and the rest are zerg and terran. really shows in the latest patches. sad sad days
You can play campaign with lore-sized units (they're called real scale mods)
wish we could get a game mode that lets us build lore size units for lore size resources
should mod Supreme commander forged alliance. It has the scale required.
Would be cooler if the game scaled more like this. 200 lings with the back surround and 100 hydras just to take down 1 colossus.
Hydras being snakelike should, or you would think, have borrow move before any unit.
Yeah lore accuracy is kinda insane
20 zerglings destroying a war mech the size of a military base is crazy
A single colosus can wipe an entire hive or two by its self
We all need this mod
Lets drop the UNFAIR FLEET!
Alarak: Tell me, how did you lose Aiur to these animals? Did they leap up and chew apart your starships?
I still miss the original design of the Collosus with the always-on laser.
So awesome! ... and I'm a zerg main 😅
Yeah, but in the lore it would probably also cost 150k minerals and 100k gas, plus untold amount of solarite and woukd take 50 different buildings and a phase-smith of highest caliber to costruct, so it all evens out in the end.
more of these please
OK, mmm... I need this colossus on Ladder:)
When marine’s Gauss rifles can even reach a battle criuser 💀
The real scale mods are so peak honestly especially HotS and LotV
Lore colossus is like an Imperium Dreadnaught. By the way if you want aomething to read, most warhammer books are great. One called Deathstorm has a dreadnaught who falls to the black rage after 300 years. Cassor The Mad talks over the vox (loudspeaker) in third person while fighting a tyranid and its hilarious.
game tech logic : terran having better technology than protoss, find the error
Sometimes, they do actually have better technology, especially when terrans adapt protoss technology and make it better, like making fully automatic wesp station
Terran op. more with every single patch
Or bug can mind control a starship or pullas With a tongue
I want a lore Accurate Terran Battlecruiser or Protoss Carrier
If Sc3 will be created I hope they make units closer to lore!! Even if it means making them expensive !
If it was lore wise zerg gonna have 80 hydra before collosus even out at field and zerg can just hit their production instead fighting head on what can 2 collosus fight against split up army of zerg
Lore Units ....it's so awesome...
I don't underatand why in some RTS games they make units smaller than they actually are in gameplay.
Red alert (the original) did it right so did Tiberium wars from the cutscenes.
@rocksteady9826 ok.
@@Celluro Thanks for agreeing.
Hydra DPS kings. A bakers dozen roaches and a lil zergling fodder.. ctrl group hydras and double nydus worm backdoor. No one expects a second NydalWorm surgical backdoor. Fully upgrade them hydras now. FTMFS
I like the song.
Imo collossus should not BE attacked by land units.
Maybe ultralisks and archons, but thats about it ...
I have only been playing for 3 years but I have thought that from day 1. We can just assume that the legs on these things are at least a meter thick so that even a tank wouldn't do any damage.
Best counter is 1 Tom Cruise apparently.
What does the size has to do with the power?
significantly larger AOE killing way more hydralisks per beam
Thought those were zerglings at the top
IDC much about lore so I choose to believe that Starcraft units represent a group of whatever they are. So a unit of marines is like ten of them while a battlecruiser is just one. It would explain why you only need six marine units to blow up a capital ship. That'd be a whole ass 60 gauss rifles unloading into the hull!
So much of SC2 game play has to be respective. 1 marine in game would be a company of 200 IRL for most missions.
Imagine being a Marine and seeing this towering lazer beam colossus shred 2-3 battalions in one go and the vikings are still 5 mins out.
Imagine piloting a Colossus and after a week or two of ransacking earth dying of that little cough you just contracted a few million humans back.
it's not tiny hydras, collosus were always suppose to be big enough to count as an air unit
Hence why anti air works against them.
I can see how balancing may be tough
this would be balanced if we got lore accurate zerg supply cap. lets see the collosus take on 80 million mutas
I hope in starcraft 3 it will be more accaurate. Just give it a cost of 3k/2k with 30 supply then, idc.
Whats the mod my man???
I kinda wish we had a more accurate game lorewise xd
Colossus needs a buff
This is always something that bugs me in games. When the lore looks cooler but the Devs can't figure out how to balance it for gameplay purposes.
Do the bc next 😂
Dune 1 Sandworm vs Dune 2 Sandwormette 😂
Leviatã ☠️
Then Size of Your collosus matter? 😅
How?
Lore wise zerg should've a max unit count of 2000... There are reasons we got shit like Colossus and carriers yet zerg are around
Real size mod is crazy if u guys havent try the mod
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nah blizzard did the colosus dirty 💀
Just realize that Real-Scale Colossus has double Solar Lance.
Just makes them even bigger to get viper pulled more easily
Как называется игра?
Starcraft 2
Вероятно это и нужно для баланса !
If all unit where accurately lore sized this game will be something when you know a giant mech can at least kill a lot of army alone or event the space ship , me thinks how a Thor will look like if lore size ( power out put will be way too stronge for simple unit )
No micro…seems like the hydras are upgraded too
If all units were lore-sized, protoss would be too OP
Nah, between leviathens being ridiculous and kerrigan zerg would be top dog
Protoss Collossus is one of their true warmachines.
They first use it in the Kalath Intercession where they intervene on the civil war.
The machines were so effective that it reduced the Kalathi back to the stone age.
The results was so appalling to the Protoss that they changed their foreign policy concerning interacting technologically less advanced races.
So, it should be an elite or hero character.
Glad they aren't this big in the game 😱
I think the size is a bit exaggerated. Aren't Hydras like 12 feet long?
I think they’re 7 or 8 feet tall max
What lore? Its 17m vs 3m
Я понимамаю что будет разница но настолько?
Колосс по лору - здоровенный 65-ти метровый робот с огромной огневой мощью, его термальные лучи способны испепелять целые армии, он - буквально венец протосской инженерии в наземной техники. По лору протоссы вообще обязались запечатать колоссов и никогда их не использовать, потому что они обладали слишком большой разрушительной силой (был один момент, когда протоссы случайно уничтожили разумный вид +- нашего уровня развития чисто парой колоссов, которые просто выжгли всю планету). А теперь представь гидралиска, который максимум 4 метра в высоту. По факту даже несколько сотен гидралисков ничего не сделают колоссу - они просто не смогут повредить ни его броню, ни пробить щиты своими иглами, в то же время колосс с одного залпа термальных лучей способен сжечь целую колонию зергов. По факту колосс очень силен, наверное это самый сильный наземный юнит, возможно, разве что, уступающий гигантским видам ультралиска (например омегалиску, который по размерам больше Годзиллы будет) и Одину, и то не факт. Просто в угоду баланса его сильно занизили. И это не единственный пример, крупные корабли терранов и протоссов, по типу батлов или кериаров, вообще исчисляются километрами длины - дай им оригинальный размер, и они просто не поместятся на карте)
@@mr.kar-karich9485 по факту
@@mr.kar-karich9485 и так с половиной технологий протоссов
Lore accurate mother ship vs 1 marine and medic, lol
That top collosus was from wol
Aquí debo decir que canónicamente un tanque de asedio puede bajarse a un coloso. Está en la historia corta de un tanque de asedio.
Lore hydras can one shot marines.
They are menaces
Yeah. It’s called a Colosus not a Slightly Bigger Than Normal.
Look at GiantGrantGames. He actually played real size mods in the campains. Its hilarious.
Well 80 hydra must be a little bit more in game than 80 hydra in lore, work the same for every unit
but in lore theres trillions of zerg per invadion
히드라는 저글링이 필요합니다😂😂
Sale doesnt mean accurate tho. I main protoss, but theres no way there'll be just 80 of those hydras