Nop Farzad, the next Tesla needs to be mass market , sub $30k (more less $10k under Model 3) hatchback, then they can do a mini bus, but the best would be a van for delivery
@@marcopino332 Ethernet is aviation tech, it isn't new and while upping the voltage makes for better efficiency, it's not exactly a brain bending tech challenge, either. The CT isn't even the first vehicle to trial it, nor steer by wire. The marketing machine went into overdrive with these features, but the reality is that it's all pretty ho hum.
@@douginorlando6260 As much as I'm not a fan of SUV's, the fact of the matter is that the rest of the world is. Small SUV's and hatchbacks. They are "world" cars. Large Trucks... wealthy North Americans.
No stainless steel vans please. They need to look like regular vans with full paint options. The idea is to give people no reason to not buy the Tesla except for their own brand loyalty
I think for vanlife/camping it's a huge game changer. It's a pain to design from scratch a secondary battery system with an inverter etc. Having access to the battery pack of the vehicle means you can tap into a huge supply of energy for bigger and hopefully more integrated appliances. So excited for the future of these products!!
I'd love to see Tesla come out with a similar product but with Starlink integrated into the vehicle roofline and bundled with the Tesla connection options.
I wish minivans would make a comeback in the US. Way more practical than an SUV. I love the styling of the VW, but it's range and efficiency suck, not really great as a people hauler for long trips. It's price isn't terrible for a minivan though. A Chrysler plug in hybrid is about $50,000.
@@JEP-Tech I’ve had a deposit on this van for five years. Finally it will arrive in four months, but range is horrible. My ‘21 Sienna Hybrid easily gets 600 miles on a tank of gas.
@@michaelbuday Yeah, I'm hoping Toyota will make a plug in version of their minivan soon like their Prius. Then you don't have to use any gas for short daily trips around town, but have plenty of range and can use gas for long trips with the family.
@@JEP-Tech pretty certain they will given how they’re handling other vehicles in their lineup. Of course Chrysler makes a minivan plugin hybrid, but it’s not a Toyota- which is why I steered clear of it. Our previous 1999 Sienna ran without a problem for 22 years and 300,000 miles and still fetched $4K as a used vehicle.
We really need this. In London UK there are so many business vans. As soon as Tesla releases one of these I will buy it on the first day for my business.
Notice no one who grew up with one is jazzed about this one. It’s the camper everyone is waiting for. I’ve seen 300k sprinter conversions with less utility and space than the 69 I grew up in. This ID Buzz doesn’t come close.
An electric Tesla sprinter-like van would have so much utility. Aftermarket options for “van-life” conversions would be enormous. Bundle that with FSD unsupervised and you got an absolute winner
100% this. You can tell immediately on looking at it - and it's been out for years in Europe so it's not new as this video implies - that the front seats aren't in the same position. They destroyed the styling instead of just doing a proper homage to the original which would have given people a massive nostalgia hit. It's outrageously expensive for a low end vehicle with software from a company that has a reputation for doing terrible EV software and had to sack something like 10,000 developers - I believe I've heard Tesla's team is 600 people and their software is more advanced by far because of FSD. I can't imagine anyone who likes VW camper vans is going to be thrilled by one of these, it's a completely different vehicle and more of a Renault Espace than a VW camper. Scooby Doo wouldn't be seen dead in this.
YES! I’ve been looking at the ID buzz for a couple years thinking I want to do van life in it in the future, but I’d rather it be a Tesla. Cybervan anyone?
I'm single, and if the price is right, I'd buy a Tesla van. Incredibly practical for long range road trips in comfort, plus hauling stuff locally in an enclosed shell as required.
I remember way back when there was only the MS that Elon said they had conceptualized that the MS platform could have a microbus type body that would carry a dozen people. I've been waiting since then.
As an old dude and model Y owner, I have had several mini-vans over the years and used them in my business. This van and other sized vans could be huge for Tesla. I would buy this in a minute.
I doubt the VW will have NACS out of the gate since it's still 2024. I won't buy a non NACS vehicle. Soon we won't have to. I'm excited to see what Ford's latest announcement of an EV mini-pickup. I think this is as important as a mini bus/van. Something the size of a early 2000s Tacoma
It would be physically impossible for them to have it out of the gate, since this vehicle has been out since 2022. America is only getting a version of it now. No idea if they'll give you NACS but obviously the original doesn't need it because we have a proper charging standard over here and all Teslas support that. CCS2 was better than 1 from the start so we've not had that self inflicted charging wound to contend with.
@@jonevansauthor I agree. CCS2 is much better than CCS1. Much! When Tesla started, there was no charging standard here yet, so they had to invent something. They did. CCS1 for all others became the standard and was/is horrible. NACS really is far superior, at least for North America. The VW group will be using NACS here, but I brought it up because until they switch, many, like me, will wait. I don't think they will even be allowed to change until 2025 as per the agreement with Tesla. It will all be sorted out in good time and 2025 is just around the corner
@@craighermle7727 I'm guessing you're thinking of Ionna, but VW is not part of that as they already own Electrify America. I hope Ionna gets going soon!
I just ordered a Buzz 6-seat LWB version in Europe today. Large electric SUVs, that don't to off-rad well, do not make sense any more, compared to the Buzz. You don't need the huge hood that is made for big lossy engines. Only the luxury class SUVs make sense maybe, like the Model X. I'm a huge Tesla fan since 2014 btw. Your video is spot on. Thanks man!
I think for the most use cases for the bus van it's not going to have enough range. You need more than 180 mi 150 mi of real range to do most van life stuff
I was so disappointed when VW announced the range numbers for the ID Buzz. Price did not phase me as I fully expected to be around $60k but those range numbers are unacceptable from any new EV. Worse if they are not using LFP batteries and I have not determined if that is true. Just as long as any Tesla van offered to carry passengers looks normal it will be fine but if it is anything like the CT it will not do well nor be inexpensive
Have several, like 20-30, of them in my hometown. Sat in one, Understand the concept but the Buzz has no more space than the X. It’s thiiiiccc, the doors, the floor everything. When you sit inside it it’s nice and all but for space, nah.
Good video, as all the others you are making. Just a little detail: a Starlink connection on a vehicle will not make any difference within a couple of years, because of $ASTS. In this particular case, at least. Mark my words! 😊
I want to see Tesla pump out utilitarian vehicles. In Europe tradesmen use vans because it is functionally superior in every way to a pickup truck: more space, more capacity, shorter.
100% I saw Zack and Jesse demonstrating you can't fit a normal sheet of plywood in a Cybertruck and I'm just thinking... I bet it fits in a Transit van that a grown up tradesman who actually needed plywood would use though. Tesla do need to enter the delivery van/work van arena at some point and could possibly build multiple vehicles like this one off the same base platform/wheelbase. But yeah, a vehicle with enough space for families who don't know how contraception works, is not going to be a big seller and isn't important at all, when they already have bigger vehicles like the Y.
I rent vans when i need to transport long items. one hour 8€ + 0.28€ km 9$ + 0.4$ mile that makes towing obsolute for example chistmas tree added 11€. easy swipe and done. There are two firms that rent such vans in Estonia Citybee and Bolt. Whole day moving last year cost 55€ adding towing option is not worth of it 1000€ when added to new car. Teslas van options are incredible on demand public transportation is also good concept short ranges like 2-3mile to get to train station etc using fsd in my suburban village is need of 10 of those in whole europe they can employ 5M such vehicles
@@jonevansauthor There are definitively loads that people haul in pickups that you don't want in your van. 8' sheets fit great with the CyberTruck tailgate down. To each his own.
A Tesla van would be so damn cool. I would love it. I've always loved Vans and drove one for years even as a single guy, as I used it to haul plywood, drywall, etc when I worked on remodeling my home. So convenient to take a group of friends out. Even camped out in it a few times. The VW van is an amazing design and implementation. I would consider buying one now, but I'm happy with my Tesla model 3.....
after model 2, and 2x robotaxi variants, sure. Not going to be ideal for road trips though... Gonna need giant battery and that will take longer to charge.
Marques Brownlee reviewed the Buzz a week or so ago. It' looks like it might be a winner if the range limitations can be overcome. 234 is estimated EPA, I don't care who makes it. There's a lot of air that is going to have to be pushed out of the way at speed. Real world range I doubt will be close to 234.
Tesla's next ca, imo, r needs tp be something that looks markedly different from the Model 3 or Model Y or if you believe some "renderings" the VW XL1. I own a "Y" but OTA opdates or not, I really think Tesla needs new sheet metal.
I had the Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle and I have a '21 model S My lease was up on the van .I do miss it but i am never buying a gas car again.When i returned the van I told them if they had an electric van I would have bought it
I loved the old VW bus and covet the new one, even though I don’t expect to get it. If Tesla comes out with a van to replace my Sedona in a few years I would like that.
Not expecting this to qualify for EV tax credit since it's built overseas. Price is too high given the small range. Consider how that range gets cut in winter conditions. I expect to see massive discounts once the ID Buzz starts piling up on dealer lots. It's a shame because the packaging and design are great, but how do you only get 234 miles of range out of a 91kWh battery??? Plus it'll still be saddled by VW's buggy software.
Starlink is magical but adds a $99/mo mortage on top the MSRP. Instead, the Canopy category is the next new trend that has gained a following from Five Eyes allies in Australia. Brutally tested ad infinitum the Tesla Van could do worse than hooking into the Canopy category for commercial, delivery, service indusries plus recreational users who like locking up their “stuff” rather than rolling around inside with passengers
I'm with you. Tesla van would be so great. Hope they have a cheap (cargo) option. 10/10? I doubt it but can hope for a surprise, even just a announcement.
Owned a 2001 VW Eurovan tintop that was uber flexible bridging car, truck, RV and pickup categories with very little effort on my part. It drove, hauled, camped and carried people and “stuff”;very well. ANYTHING less on Tesla’s design boards will fall flat against VW and van buyers who know what to expect. Not a killer racing platform due to windage - Tesla could out shine VW with electronics, solar and 48v magic tricks
You are 100% right about the ID Buzz. You can sleep in EVs in air conditioned comfort without the need to have windows open. That is a big deal. The first Kombis were too top heavy and used to tip over so they brought them out with smaller wheels. The batteries in EVs are so heavy they could bring out a higher wheel base off road version of the Buzz. People mover, off road camper and work van, plus they look cool. As battery prices fall and software catches up people will make buying decisions just on style. I drive a van because it's comfortable to sleep in and I can leave my golf clubs, surfboard, fishing and spearfishing gear, a large cooler. plus a change of clothes and towels in there at all times. I can even fit a small kayak. The lift up tail gate is also a great place to get under and changed when it's raining, especially in winter. So many pluses with an electric van.
@@bobwheeler8101 Agreed. It's really the retro/modern look of this thing that is selling it (although the interior does seem to be very well thought out, so that certainly helps). My neighbor owned an old VW Van in her youth, and would love to buy the IDBuzz. The price is the main thing holding her back. It's a lot of money. It will be close to $100,000 Canadian dollars, where I live. But it really is all about the look of this vehicle, inside and out. I think the cute and colorful looks make it hugely appealing to women drivers especially. It screams fun road trip. I don't think that a van made by Tesla would be competing in quite the same market. It would be for trades people who need a working van. Although do-it-your-selfers might well want to trick out the Tesla version for camping.
It’s funny how they believe that a minivan is going to be profitable right away. That’s just a joke. They can’t even get the sober truck up and running.
I saw one in Vienna years ago ... the rear sears don't cone out ... there is so much wiring back there that there's no versatility. What was VW thinking?
Should have build the model 2, rather than cybertruck. Should have used the money invested in the semi to build this van….the van and the model 2 would be the foundation of robotaxis. I think the cybertruck and the semi were mis steps for Tesla…
We already know Tesla plans to produce 2 new lower cost models in 2025. Could a van be one of them? Could the van double as a future cybercab variant? I think it's very likely. I can see them revealing the cybercab and van on 10/10, as the van will also function as a cab and is not likely to Osborne existing offerings. The van is super important, as it attracts several markets...POV people hauler, commercial, taxi, and RV. Not even counting taxi, the commercial market for an EV van will be huge...globally. I suspect the van will not be as large as the VW offering. I'm expecting something more similar to a stretched London cab. I think it will be a cross between van, SUV and estate (wagon). The low cost version may be a lower range, 2 seat, stripped down, allowing for after market customization.
For the van idea, would be great to see what Tesla Solar could integrate into this as a camping feature option, in addition to the Starlink access. Imagine a few folding solar panels that deploy to collect energy while serving as sun shades for the van. With proper first principles engineering that Tesla/Musk is so famous for, you might be able to get up to a kilowatt or so, with not much impact to weight, design or cost.
I love how that VW iDBuz, aka Minivan, has a cool factor look. Tesla could do the same. Kia/Hyundai & Chrysler own the minivan market, but they dont have the cool factor "Party Bus" "Camp-Mobile" that Tesla could build. 😎 Cheers, Eric
I love the idea of a Tesla van or minivan, but I don’t think this is the right time for such a vehicle. The primary market for something like this are parents with young children at home who play sports, or otherwise get chauffeured around by their parents. They tend to buy minivans, but at around $35k. For Tesla to make something like this they would likely need to charge $60k or more, and I just don’t think young parents will be willing to spend that much on a vehicle. The current EV tax credit would help a little, but not nearly enough, and that credit could very well be gone after this year. Tesla needs to get a vehicle to market that costs $25k or less. That would sell millions of vehicles, would seriously boost the transition to EV’s, and would destroy the legacy automakers. In addition, FSD needs to be solved, which will then create massive revenues for Tesla. Make a van or minivan in the future, but after manufacturing costs are brought even lower, and they can be sold for less than $50k.
I am currently doing Bandlife in the Maritimes in eastern Canada. The biggest expense on the trip seems to be fuel. Using a big V8 motor to move around everything you owned is not very cost-efficient. If I could go to a campsite, plug in my van, and fuse my lodging costs with my fuel costs. It makes van life very affordable and much more comfortable. If Tesla releases a sprinter type van with long range, it will change the entire nomadic movement. Add in incorporated Internet to the vehicle and you have a whole new lifestyle. Tesla will make billions on the industry.👍🇨🇦
Hey guys, did anyone hear or see anything of WuWa recently? 3 months now no new videos! Did he retire? Was he arrested? I call to the community to not forget WuWa and let's find out what happened to him!
I'm in the market for a minivan with a growing family and a large dog. Not too many EVS work for my situation unless I'm spending over $100,000. Everything else is plug-in hybrids or too small. I really need Tesla to come out with a affordable van soon
The seats need to slide out easily so you can load a MX bike or slide in camper unit, or dog cages, or totally dirt proof water proof liner for garden waste blah blah That’s versatility in my opinion. I’m stuck with a crappy Nissan eNV200 panel van…. But it takes a MX bike✅✅✅
This shows how HORRIBLY managed Stellantis is! Chrysler practically invented the modern minivan and dominated the market. Now it's the ONLY vehicle in their portfolio, and they can't seem to think of what product chrysler needs.... so they say.
We have a 2020 Tesla MSLR+, 2021 Toyota Sienna XSE FWD and a 2022 Tesla MYLR If I could put them all into a blender and make one vehicle… (I know, I know.. Model X) WOW The Model S is sexy, luxurious & refined, the sliding doors, room and range of the Sienna the Audio, utility and better charging of the Model Y.
For its size and price, the Lucid will be irrelevant compared to the Buzz. The third row capacity in the Gravity is a joke in comparison. Lucid will never make money until they actually find the real balance between performance, reliability and cost- the combo that Tesla nailed long time ago. Both Model X and Buzz also have far better access with their barn door/falcon wing access to the second and third rows.
I think the low range will limit the VW sales, and the sales of any other brand that builds something this shape. It's basically a brick. A more dense battery tech might be necessary before this becomes a road-trip vehicle. With low range it's a soccer mom vehicle.
minivans are so underrated. we have so little options here in the usa
Nowadays options are limited everywhere if you want anything but an SUV.
@@castortoutnu FFS! Why is that? SUV's and giant trucks, neither of which I have any care for. Bring back 2wd. station wagons and people movers.
@@davidbrayshaw3529you must be a german. Only Germans want small cars.
Nop Farzad, the next Tesla needs to be mass market , sub $30k (more less $10k under Model 3) hatchback, then they can do a mini bus, but the best would be a van for delivery
That's what the last Tesla needed to be, but instead they built a $100k monstrosity for rich people in the North American market only.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 i honestly think cybertruck was made just to test the tecnology, mainly 48 volts and ethernet ring.
@@davidbrayshaw3529I was thinking the SUV market would have been the better choice over the cyber truck … but I like SUVs and I can not lie
@@marcopino332 Ethernet is aviation tech, it isn't new and while upping the voltage makes for better efficiency, it's not exactly a brain bending tech challenge, either. The CT isn't even the first vehicle to trial it, nor steer by wire.
The marketing machine went into overdrive with these features, but the reality is that it's all pretty ho hum.
@@douginorlando6260 As much as I'm not a fan of SUV's, the fact of the matter is that the rest of the world is. Small SUV's and hatchbacks. They are "world" cars.
Large Trucks... wealthy North Americans.
CyberVan options: 7, 8, 11 passenger(extended) , CyberWork (cargo, no windows), Camper, CyberShuttle (like at Hotels and Airports) etc...
I hope you’re right! This would be a killer lineup! I would be VERY interested in a work van!
yes!
No stainless steel vans please. They need to look like regular vans with full paint options. The idea is to give people no reason to not buy the Tesla except for their own brand loyalty
@@andromedach yes, and keep the cost down.
Need a stretched model 3 frame with a few more batteries in it and a box on top. Nothing fancy, inexpensive work van. 50k tops
I think for vanlife/camping it's a huge game changer. It's a pain to design from scratch a secondary battery system with an inverter etc.
Having access to the battery pack of the vehicle means you can tap into a huge supply of energy for bigger and hopefully more integrated appliances.
So excited for the future of these products!!
I'd love to see Tesla come out with a similar product but with Starlink integrated into the vehicle roofline and bundled with the Tesla connection options.
Throw in 2 or 3 years of free starlink, what a selling point incentive. It won’t cost Tesla anything and will generate revenue in 2 or 3 years
Soo winnebago ev with built in power wall and portable solar panels would combine everything tesla makes..🎉..sounds cool
@@soundnutz Except that Tesla would make it energy Efficient with there powertrain & batteries..
I wish minivans would make a comeback in the US. Way more practical than an SUV. I love the styling of the VW, but it's range and efficiency suck, not really great as a people hauler for long trips. It's price isn't terrible for a minivan though. A Chrysler plug in hybrid is about $50,000.
@@JEP-Tech I’ve had a deposit on this van for five years. Finally it will arrive in four months, but range is horrible. My ‘21 Sienna Hybrid easily gets 600 miles on a tank of gas.
@@michaelbuday Yeah, I'm hoping Toyota will make a plug in version of their minivan soon like their Prius. Then you don't have to use any gas for short daily trips around town, but have plenty of range and can use gas for long trips with the family.
@@JEP-Tech pretty certain they will given how they’re handling other vehicles in their lineup. Of course Chrysler makes a minivan plugin hybrid, but it’s not a Toyota- which is why I steered clear of it. Our previous 1999 Sienna ran without a problem for 22 years and 300,000 miles and still fetched $4K as a used vehicle.
We really need this. In London UK there are so many business vans. As soon as Tesla releases one of these I will buy it on the first day for my business.
Notice no one who grew up with one is jazzed about this one. It’s the camper everyone is waiting for. I’ve seen 300k sprinter conversions with less utility and space than the 69 I grew up in.
This ID Buzz doesn’t come close.
An electric Tesla sprinter-like van would have so much utility. Aftermarket options for “van-life” conversions would be enormous. Bundle that with FSD unsupervised and you got an absolute winner
100% this. You can tell immediately on looking at it - and it's been out for years in Europe so it's not new as this video implies - that the front seats aren't in the same position. They destroyed the styling instead of just doing a proper homage to the original which would have given people a massive nostalgia hit. It's outrageously expensive for a low end vehicle with software from a company that has a reputation for doing terrible EV software and had to sack something like 10,000 developers - I believe I've heard Tesla's team is 600 people and their software is more advanced by far because of FSD.
I can't imagine anyone who likes VW camper vans is going to be thrilled by one of these, it's a completely different vehicle and more of a Renault Espace than a VW camper. Scooby Doo wouldn't be seen dead in this.
YES! I’ve been looking at the ID buzz for a couple years thinking I want to do van life in it in the future, but I’d rather it be a Tesla. Cybervan anyone?
Me too 🌲🌲🌲🚐🌲🌲
Id Buzz would be ok for 50K, Tesla drive train and Tesla Software.
Yes a Tesla Cybervan with roof solar and two roll out solar awnings.
I'm single, and if the price is right, I'd buy a Tesla van. Incredibly practical for long range road trips in comfort, plus hauling stuff locally in an enclosed shell as required.
Price too high, range too low, needless quirky functions, German epic fail.
Honestly that VW bus looks awesome.
If it had 350 mile 70mph highway range I'd be shopping it
That is a sweet van, just wish they kept the round headlights!
I remember way back when there was only the MS that Elon said they had conceptualized that the MS platform could have a microbus type body that would carry a dozen people. I've been waiting since then.
Super cool vehicle, but to be a great road tripper it’s gotta have 300 miles of range and a reliable charging network
As an old dude and model Y owner, I have had several mini-vans over the years and used them in my business. This van and other sized vans could be huge for Tesla. I would buy this in a minute.
I doubt the VW will have NACS out of the gate since it's still 2024. I won't buy a non NACS vehicle. Soon we won't have to. I'm excited to see what Ford's latest announcement of an EV mini-pickup. I think this is as important as a mini bus/van. Something the size of a early 2000s Tacoma
It would be physically impossible for them to have it out of the gate, since this vehicle has been out since 2022. America is only getting a version of it now. No idea if they'll give you NACS but obviously the original doesn't need it because we have a proper charging standard over here and all Teslas support that. CCS2 was better than 1 from the start so we've not had that self inflicted charging wound to contend with.
@@jonevansauthor I agree. CCS2 is much better than CCS1. Much! When Tesla started, there was no charging standard here yet, so they had to invent something. They did. CCS1 for all others became the standard and was/is horrible. NACS really is far superior, at least for North America. The VW group will be using NACS here, but I brought it up because until they switch, many, like me, will wait. I don't think they will even be allowed to change until 2025 as per the agreement with Tesla. It will all be sorted out in good time and 2025 is just around the corner
VW and BMW were supposed to be developing their own network. I haven't seen anything yet
@@craighermle7727 I'm guessing you're thinking of Ionna, but VW is not part of that as they already own Electrify America. I hope Ionna gets going soon!
I just ordered a Buzz 6-seat LWB version in Europe today. Large electric SUVs, that don't to off-rad well, do not make sense any more, compared to the Buzz. You don't need the huge hood that is made for big lossy engines. Only the luxury class SUVs make sense maybe, like the Model X. I'm a huge Tesla fan since 2014 btw. Your video is spot on. Thanks man!
7 seater Model X with Sliding doors instead of the Falcon Wings would probably be around that price range.
So shocked Elon hasn't produced an electric van yet, exactly as you mentioned, this is a complete no brainer!!!! He has to introduce one in 2025!
I think for the most use cases for the bus van it's not going to have enough range. You need more than 180 mi 150 mi of real range to do most van life stuff
If Tesla van is introduced it will Osborne this van and so many other vans!
I was so disappointed when VW announced the range numbers for the ID Buzz. Price did not phase me as I fully expected to be around $60k but those range numbers are unacceptable from any new EV. Worse if they are not using LFP batteries and I have not determined if that is true.
Just as long as any Tesla van offered to carry passengers looks normal it will be fine but if it is anything like the CT it will not do well nor be inexpensive
Been on this idea and waiting for it for years now.... still hoping. Even a regular van would do for now.
Have several, like 20-30, of them in my hometown. Sat in one, Understand the concept but the Buzz has no more space than the X.
It’s thiiiiccc, the doors, the floor everything.
When you sit inside it it’s nice and all but for space, nah.
Good video, as all the others you are making. Just a little detail: a Starlink connection on a vehicle will not make any difference within a couple of years, because of $ASTS. In this particular case, at least. Mark my words! 😊
I want to see Tesla pump out utilitarian vehicles. In Europe tradesmen use vans because it is functionally superior in every way to a pickup truck: more space, more capacity, shorter.
100% I saw Zack and Jesse demonstrating you can't fit a normal sheet of plywood in a Cybertruck and I'm just thinking... I bet it fits in a Transit van that a grown up tradesman who actually needed plywood would use though. Tesla do need to enter the delivery van/work van arena at some point and could possibly build multiple vehicles like this one off the same base platform/wheelbase.
But yeah, a vehicle with enough space for families who don't know how contraception works, is not going to be a big seller and isn't important at all, when they already have bigger vehicles like the Y.
I rent vans when i need to transport long items. one hour 8€ + 0.28€ km 9$ + 0.4$ mile that makes towing obsolute for example chistmas tree added 11€. easy swipe and done. There are two firms that rent such vans in Estonia Citybee and Bolt. Whole day moving last year cost 55€ adding towing option is not worth of it 1000€ when added to new car. Teslas van options are incredible on demand public transportation is also good concept short ranges like 2-3mile to get to train station etc using fsd in my suburban village is need of 10 of those in whole europe they can employ 5M such vehicles
@@jonevansauthor There are definitively loads that people haul in pickups that you don't want in your van. 8' sheets fit great with the CyberTruck tailgate down.
To each his own.
@@jonevansauthorcan't believe you can't fit plywood in bed, crazy. That means drywall too. I love cybertrruck but this is a problem.
A Tesla van would be so damn cool. I would love it. I've always loved Vans and drove one for years even as a single guy, as I used it to haul plywood, drywall, etc when I worked on remodeling my home. So convenient to take a group of friends out. Even camped out in it a few times. The VW van is an amazing design and implementation. I would consider buying one now, but I'm happy with my Tesla model 3.....
I think more of a Sprinter. Being able to stand up in the van, I believe, matters to many people. However, as always, price is important.
after model 2, and 2x robotaxi variants, sure. Not going to be ideal for road trips though... Gonna need giant battery and that will take longer to charge.
Yes, please. If Tesla does a van/mini-van, I will buy it on day 1. Needs at least 300 miles range for optimal roadtripping/camp-mode.
Battery needs to be better
Marques Brownlee reviewed the Buzz a week or so ago. It' looks like it might be a winner if the range limitations can be overcome. 234 is estimated EPA, I don't care who makes it. There's a lot of air that is going to have to be pushed out of the way at speed. Real world range I doubt will be close to 234.
He is not someone trust on anything !
Saw one in April in Thailand. Cool looking thing!
Tesla's next ca, imo, r needs tp be something that looks markedly different from the Model 3 or Model Y or if you believe some "renderings" the VW XL1. I own a "Y" but OTA opdates or not, I really think Tesla needs new sheet metal.
I had the Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle and I have a '21 model S My lease was up on the van .I do miss it but i am never buying a gas car again.When i returned the van I told them if they had an electric van I would have bought it
I loved the old VW bus and covet the new one, even though I don’t expect to get it. If Tesla comes out with a van to replace my Sedona in a few years I would like that.
Not expecting this to qualify for EV tax credit since it's built overseas. Price is too high given the small range. Consider how that range gets cut in winter conditions. I expect to see massive discounts once the ID Buzz starts piling up on dealer lots. It's a shame because the packaging and design are great, but how do you only get 234 miles of range out of a 91kWh battery??? Plus it'll still be saddled by VW's buggy software.
Starlink is magical but adds a $99/mo mortage on top the MSRP.
Instead, the Canopy category is the next new trend that has gained a following from Five Eyes allies in Australia. Brutally tested ad infinitum the Tesla Van could do worse than hooking into the Canopy category for commercial, delivery, service indusries plus recreational users who like locking up their “stuff” rather than rolling around inside with passengers
"Since the ID. Buzz will be assembled outside of North America, its purchase will not qualify for a federal tax credit."
I'm with you. Tesla van would be so great. Hope they have a cheap (cargo) option. 10/10? I doubt it but can hope for a surprise, even just a announcement.
agreed, van is a must!
The same platform as the Cybertruck, no way that's releasing anytime soon, with how many issues the Cybertruck has.
Owned a 2001 VW Eurovan tintop that was uber flexible bridging car, truck, RV and pickup categories with very little effort on my part. It drove, hauled, camped and carried people and “stuff”;very well. ANYTHING less on Tesla’s design boards will fall flat against VW and van buyers who know what to expect. Not a killer racing platform due to windage - Tesla could out shine VW with electronics, solar and 48v magic tricks
I love these. Tesla van would be massive hit a huge profit generator
But Tesla would have to make it fun like the bus/buzz with fun colors etc.
If Tesla makes a similar 7 seat van with an off road capable option I will buy it immediately
You are 100% right about the ID Buzz. You can sleep in EVs in air conditioned comfort without the need to have windows open. That is a big deal. The first Kombis were too top heavy and used to tip over so they brought them out with smaller wheels. The batteries in EVs are so heavy they could bring out a higher wheel base off road version of the Buzz. People mover, off road camper and work van, plus they look cool. As battery prices fall and software catches up people will make buying decisions just on style. I drive a van because it's comfortable to sleep in and I can leave my golf clubs, surfboard, fishing and spearfishing gear, a large cooler. plus a change of clothes and towels in there at all times. I can even fit a small kayak. The lift up tail gate is also a great place to get under and changed when it's raining, especially in winter. So many pluses with an electric van.
The ID Buzz is seen as a joke here in Germany, I don't get why it's received so positively in US.
Purely nostalgia.
@@bobwheeler8101 Agreed. It's really the retro/modern look of this thing that is selling it (although the interior does seem to be very well thought out, so that certainly helps). My neighbor owned an old VW Van in her youth, and would love to buy the IDBuzz. The price is the main thing holding her back. It's a lot of money. It will be close to $100,000 Canadian dollars, where I live.
But it really is all about the look of this vehicle, inside and out. I think the cute and colorful looks make it hugely appealing to women drivers especially. It screams fun road trip.
I don't think that a van made by Tesla would be competing in quite the same market. It would be for trades people who need a working van. Although do-it-your-selfers might well want to trick out the Tesla version for camping.
It's definitely a looker
It’s funny how they believe that a minivan is going to be profitable right away. That’s just a joke. They can’t even get the sober truck up and running.
Not gonna work great for road trips (range) but BEST Electric work van currently available.
I saw one in Vienna years ago ... the rear sears don't cone out ... there is so much wiring back there that there's no versatility. What was VW thinking?
Its just amazing, mindblowing and gamechanging!
Great video Farzad!
No cybervan but something like the VW but with better range
Farzad, has your dad got the FSD 12.5…. and if so does he use it and what’s his thoughts?
Yes. I hope Tesla does a 3 row van on the Cybertruck frame.
Yes to vans!
We're due for an update with James Douma!
That buzz aint new. Its been driving around in europe for over a year.
A van will be a winner in the UK and Europe. Vans are Europe’s trucks, the market is huge.
Agreed, van for ppl or for stuff or a mixture. Option to take the seats out easily
This ID Buzz is selling in europe for over a year. Just look up the numbers.
Should have build the model 2, rather than cybertruck. Should have used the money invested in the semi to build this van….the van and the model 2 would be the foundation of robotaxis. I think the cybertruck and the semi were mis steps for Tesla…
We already know Tesla plans to produce 2 new lower cost models in 2025. Could a van be one of them? Could the van double as a future cybercab variant? I think it's very likely. I can see them revealing the cybercab and van on 10/10, as the van will also function as a cab and is not likely to Osborne existing offerings. The van is super important, as it attracts several markets...POV people hauler, commercial, taxi, and RV. Not even counting taxi, the commercial market for an EV van will be huge...globally. I suspect the van will not be as large as the VW offering. I'm expecting something more similar to a stretched London cab. I think it will be a cross between van, SUV and estate (wagon). The low cost version may be a lower range, 2 seat, stripped down, allowing for after market customization.
It's going to sell well, but why is the range so low for such a large battery. There is some optimization that can be done with this vehicle.
Nope, it needs to be better
For the van idea, would be great to see what Tesla Solar could integrate into this as a camping feature option, in addition to the Starlink access. Imagine a few folding solar panels that deploy to collect energy while serving as sun shades for the van. With proper first principles engineering that Tesla/Musk is so famous for, you might be able to get up to a kilowatt or so, with not much impact to weight, design or cost.
I'm wondering if VW is going to have Rivian bring back the Vanagon/bus.... I agree. This is an untapped market.
Full size is preferred
I remember how this was supposed to be Tesla's next car over 5 years ago.
Tesla will announce two vehicles on 10/10. I firmly believe this. One will be a car, one will be a van.
I’m retiring. I would love a van life vehicle!!!!
I love how that VW iDBuz, aka Minivan, has a cool factor look.
Tesla could do the same. Kia/Hyundai & Chrysler own the minivan market, but they dont have the cool factor "Party Bus" "Camp-Mobile" that Tesla could build. 😎
Cheers, Eric
I love the idea of a Tesla van or minivan, but I don’t think this is the right time for such a vehicle.
The primary market for something like this are parents with young children at home who play sports, or otherwise get chauffeured around by their parents. They tend to buy minivans, but at around $35k. For Tesla to make something like this they would likely need to charge $60k or more, and I just don’t think young parents will be willing to spend that much on a vehicle. The current EV tax credit would help a little, but not nearly enough, and that credit could very well be gone after this year.
Tesla needs to get a vehicle to market that costs $25k or less. That would sell millions of vehicles, would seriously boost the transition to EV’s, and would destroy the legacy automakers. In addition, FSD needs to be solved, which will then create massive revenues for Tesla.
Make a van or minivan in the future, but after manufacturing costs are brought even lower, and they can be sold for less than $50k.
I am currently doing Bandlife in the Maritimes in eastern Canada. The biggest expense on the trip seems to be fuel. Using a big V8 motor to move around everything you owned is not very cost-efficient. If I could go to a campsite, plug in my van, and fuse my lodging costs with my fuel costs. It makes van life very affordable and much more comfortable. If Tesla releases a sprinter type van with long range, it will change the entire nomadic movement. Add in incorporated Internet to the vehicle and you have a whole new lifestyle. Tesla will make billions on the industry.👍🇨🇦
Matt Smith would be the first to buy a Tesla Van, especially with yet another child on the way!
VW paying pretty good marketing
Not sure if the “minivan” is a hot EV market. SUVs/trucks is where the money is.
It's biggest market will be for urban commercial use cases...globally.
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I'm in the market for a minivan with a growing family and a large dog. Not too many EVS work for my situation unless I'm spending over $100,000. Everything else is plug-in hybrids or too small. I really need Tesla to come out with a affordable van soon
The seats need to slide out easily so you can load a MX bike or slide in camper unit, or dog cages, or totally dirt proof water proof liner for garden waste blah blah
That’s versatility in my opinion. I’m stuck with a crappy Nissan eNV200 panel van…. But it takes a MX bike✅✅✅
This shows how HORRIBLY managed Stellantis is! Chrysler practically invented the modern minivan and dominated the market. Now it's the ONLY vehicle in their portfolio, and they can't seem to think of what product chrysler needs.... so they say.
As VW is fixing their software problem by partnerships with Chinese EV makers and Rivian, there's absolutely no reason why would need this from Tesla.
Farzad.
"VAN" = CAB = COMPACT (Short, not "small")
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Economy of scale brings low cost.
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It's a "Swiss Army Knife"
We have a 2020 Tesla MSLR+, 2021 Toyota Sienna XSE FWD and a 2022 Tesla MYLR
If I could put them all into a blender and make one vehicle… (I know, I know.. Model X) WOW
The Model S is sexy, luxurious & refined, the sliding doors, room and range of the Sienna the Audio, utility and better charging of the Model Y.
It would be nice if Tesla would have Odyssey's type vehicle that is affordable.
I never a Tesla mini van!!! If not I'll buy this
GO ahead... it will be a POS💩... Cant wait until the software FIALS, the service SUCKS, .... You go for it ! 💩🤣
The Lucid Gravity will have the same adult seating capacity but with much better range. Lucid Gravity goes into production later this year.
For its size and price, the Lucid will be irrelevant compared to the Buzz. The third row capacity in the Gravity is a joke in comparison. Lucid will never make money until they actually find the real balance between performance, reliability and cost- the combo that Tesla nailed long time ago. Both Model X and Buzz also have far better access with their barn door/falcon wing access to the second and third rows.
Yes, Tesla needs a Cybervan👍
A little embarassing when a different brand van shows up to do maintenance on a Tesla.
Thx as always! Love your content and vibe.
It's a 3 wheel car under the sheet.
Best video you have put out in a bit. Definitely interesting product
We need a tesla van
NO Farzad.. Tesla will be so much better
Have experienced this VW.. winter range is SO bad..
and sw is crap
I think the low range will limit the VW sales, and the sales of any other brand that builds something this shape. It's basically a brick. A more dense battery tech might be necessary before this becomes a road-trip vehicle. With low range it's a soccer mom vehicle.
60-70k? Ouch
Old school batteries. Ill wait.
A CyberVan is what we need
EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAID. This should be Tesla's next car, followed by a cheap pickup based on it. The front should be styled after the Tesla Semi