Amazon Primed to enter NBA rights world leaves TNT vs NBC battle | The Sporting Class
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Meadowlark Media CEO John Skipper and @NPDS David Samson are back with another episode of The Sporting Class with host of @PabloTorreFindsOut ... Pablo Torre! It’s all about the NBA and its media rights. Amazon has entered the ring. ESPN is staying in the ring. What about TNT? Are they going to be passed up by NBC? This is a major, major deal! Could it be the last? (33:33) Paramount is out of a CEO as Bob Bakish has "stepped down". What happened here? Is a merger with Skydance coming? What does this mean for the power brokers of the TV & Movie world? (47:00) Let’s get to the final thoughts of the show. Here’s what’s left over that was on our minds.
0:00 - Intro
0:55 - NBA Media Rights
33:33 - Future of Paramount
47:00 - Final Thoughts
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David is wrong about one thing: after Barkley, Ernie is the most important piece of that show and fans absolutely would choose to have Barkley and Ernie over any other combo.
One thing??? One thing!?!
yep… shaq only works because he’s a baby and gets angry when Chuck makes fun of him…Ernie herds cats up there… I don’t think I’ve ever heard them talk about defensive rotations
Barkley was on Dan Patrick today and said Ernie is the #1 most important person on the show and I agree
4,8,69
Agreed, with Ernie and Chuck you have a show. Shaq is the least important, the show was mega successful before him. Personally, I’d prefer someone else in his seat.
Don't be disrespecting Ernie. Shaq and Charles constantly talk about how Ernie's the most important person on that desk
Ernie was there before ALL of them. Then came Kenny, then came Barkley and lastly Shaq. It takes all four of the wheels for that show to run. I have been watching this show since FOREVER and the NBA taking it's games to Amazon Prime will lose them lots of fans. Hate ESPN and their screaming analysts and hate that show with Kendra with those silly games.
Samson unwittingly describes exactly what is uniquely wrong in US capitalism within the first 7 minutes of the show.
John & Pablo is thoughtful, this David dude just loves to hear himself talk.
This David dude got it all wrong. Just shows he doesn't watch the show and doesn't understand the dynamics. Ernie is essential to the show.
It's definitely an example of going into the office to negotiate and this person only know what he knows and keeps missing the point. We all know Ernie is just as important.
John is right that being a prisoner of now is killing businesses and trickle down hurting the rest of us, and David just laughs at it like he's not responsible for his actions and it's the market's fault while making no detailed argument for why short sighted thinking is exclusively better for business. John has experience making long term deals that paid off huge in the end. If those deals would not have survived the short sighted mindset David is representing here then that short sightedness would have been bad business. How is that so hard, or antithetical to being a "businessman" to admit? We're in a time where businesses are buying businesses to benefit from running them into the ground. Arguing that short sightedness is best for us all because it's "good business" is saying you have no stake in the world you live in or its future, or that you see yourself as above its impact and consequences. That short sightedness is hurting us right now in big ways. Love the moment where David admits he's still negotiating with John, the three of you are great together and love the show. Thank you for doing this!
This group is truly special content. No other network has anything like this. The fact that this is available for free is mind blowing. Well done Meadowlark
Torre sucks
I don’t know who’s on the far right and I can care less but I loved the conversation and what the other two had to say
David says EJ isn't super important, which means he doesn't watch when Adam Lefkoe hosts. The Tuesday show is terrible and even when Lefkoe hosts with OG crew, it just isn't the same. It amazes me how often EJ takes a good segment and elevates it to a classic just with a joke or something insightful.
I wouldn't say the Tuesday show is horrible. Adam anchors a respectable show shaq, candace, jamal and others have good basketball knowledge. It's just that Ernie and crew are the dream team that I don't think anyone else can ever duplicate. We all hope they can go on forever but all things come to an end. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
I don’t even think Adam is bad, we just REALLY love Ernie
Jamal and Candace are soooo good. Nobody can top Ernie as host though... he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize not just an Emmy
45:31 People with money live in a different world than the people who don't. It is like Dale Jr. saying everyone is nice! and his wife told him, "Yeah, to you because you are Dale Jr." and it blew his mind.
Ernie is the glue that holds the show together
If the kids don’t like this show, fine. There is an intellectual audience that loves everything about this. I’m so appreciative of this content, so thank you to all who make it possible!
Ernie is 200% important. No one is expendable.
😂😂😂😂 Ernie and Chuck are irreplaceable!
John sounds like the type of guy who wants to get a deal done at a nice steakhouse or on the golf course, David on the other hand, Wants 25 lawyers in a boardroom dotting every I and crossing every T and he can never be wrong and has to win every deal no matter what.
Great commentary for us finance nerds who love NBA deals and broadcast rights negotiations...
This is easily my favorite meadowlark piece of content. The John/David interactions are highly insightful, and Pablo is an incredible moderator
John hit it right on the nose the issue nowadays with a large amount of companies is they care about now and they will make the deal that gives them a short term small bump usually sacrifice good long term decision making.
Ernie is absolutely essential to the inside the crew team. He’s the leader and “dad” of the show and the others respect and listen to him. The replacement theve been sort of grooming to be his replacement when he finishes on the Tuesday show is nowhere near as good with the rest of the guys. Chemistry is big and Ernie is definitely irreplaceable as is all the other members.
Top 2 show on the network, there’s always something to learn
I value this podcast. I look forward to every episode. It’s fun and I always learn something new.
Same
Blows my mind the low views
Careful saying "value." We don't want Samson putting it behind a paywall.
@@ElderGamer517 I thought about that when I said it
Let him try! The Greedy capitalist. 😂😂😂
This is the best podcast out there. I like Sampson's as well.
John Skipper is really smart, thoughtful, and humble. David is a borderline sociopath.
David is yesterday's version of a nepo baby.
John Skipper has an iron hand. He just wears velvet gloves. He talks in feelings.
David seems like he would blow up a winning team just to satisfy his ego, run it into the ground, blame everyone else, then move on and do it again to the next suckers
Barkley & Ernie are Inside the NBA. Shaq & Kenny are good but they are the replaceable ones. Ernie said he’s at TNT for life though, so he won’t move with the NBA if it goes.
Ernie lives in Atlanta and has a special needs family. I can’t see him going to NY (for NBC) or LA (for amazon) with his family situation or even Bristol, CT (espn). You maybe could get the 3 ex players but have to end up with Mike Tirico hosting on NBC or Greenberg hosting on espn
WBD is $8 a share and they are swimming in debt. I'm a shareholder lol
As soon as a company starts making business decisions based on what they think the stock price will do, it is the beginning of the end for that company. You don’t make business decisions to ensure that the hedge fund managers that own your company’s shares get another 2¢ per share dividend. That is absurd.
it’s about barkley, shaq, kenny, ernie, and the whole crew of producers and people that work at tnt that make that show great.
The best thing about this show is John Skipper. It would be even better served with he talking among peers who know the phrase "The dog who caught the car". I'd rather see him with someone like Scott Galloway rather than the other two.
Samson manages to be loudly wrong about nearly every thing under the sun, amusing and annoying in equal parts. Skipper is a different breed, one of the best non-linear thinkers I have heard.
12:02 Ernie is as essential to that show as the other 3. If you can't see that you're a fool. Whenever he takes a break and they have a guest host the show is markedly worse. The weak link on that show is Kenny Smith.
The show doesn't do any worse. You just like it less. Ernie is the man for that seat, but if you had to get rid of one it would be him.
Ernie is for sure a big part but they have good rapport and chemistry with the Greenberg dude as well who is a good host and amiable funny as well.
David’s gonna eat his words on the NBA deal as it’s being reported the deal maybe $76B. Skipper looks to be right.
This is the best show on Meadowlark -- I could listen to these three and this type of content for hours 🙌 #TheSportingClass #ForTheWIn
Best show on RUclips
I love this show so much. It really is the "Inside the NBA" for sports business. Every host is integral to its success.
Inside the NBA with Kenny, Shaq and Charles would not be the same on NBC. The stuff they pulled on Cable TV / TNT won't be allowed on free TV / NBC.
I am thankful for John Skipper, Dan, and yes, even Stu. I thought when they departed ESPN, it was over for me, and the enjoyment of watching a great show and people in the media. Love the show, guys.
Ernie is absolutely the glue.
The fk is this dude talking about?
GOTTA HAVE EJ!!!!
Chuck and crew are more entertaining than regular season basketball
Sad, but the truth is without inside the NBA, the NBA will lose fans. Too many bad games that need the crew to step in and save the night.
Great show gentlemen! I loved all the content shared
NBA on NBC was the best, the production value of it was better in 2000 than TNT is today. And the intro music was the best sports music of any broadcast.
But the point should be that NBC and TNT are worlds better than ESPN. And if the NBA had any balls, they would let NBC bid on ESPN’s portion.
@@Dbo_SportsI Agree with you on that I don't know why NBC didn't go ahead and Outbid ESPN
NBC lost the NBA deal because they invested so heavily in the XFL deal in 2001 that when that league folded they took a huge hit and could not afford to match ESPN’s offer. TNT was able to keep their deal at the time, which is ironic given after all the mergers with Time Warner and Discovery the new company is bleeding money and may not be able to match NBC’s offer.
@@Slosh1383NBC shouldn’t have never invested in the XFL
Great content!
Good discussion. Glad I watched it.
Another fabulous episode
As someone who has cut the cord years ago, I would love Netflix or Amazon get more into sports
Luv It !! Give me More of The Sporting Class
A delivery company isn't who I think of in terms of watching NBA basketball.
I enjoyed this episode 🔥
Amazons core focus is WBS and big data. Access to sports comes with all that data and traffic plus it strengthens Amazon’s relationships with other league partners. Having the games is just good business
"There's a dog that caught the car." I gotta use that. 41:34
The host is so disrespectful to Ernie Johnson not many people can sit in the host chair.I think it does matter who in chair just ask Dennis Miller of MNF
David argues that cutting cable doesn’t save customers money because it costs just as much to patch together subscription services to access the same content. While true, this falsely assumes that customers are unwilling to watch and care about fewer sports. We just cut the cord and saved well north of $150 a month. Are we going to subscribe to ESPN+ and all of these other things to retain access to what we had before? No. We will watch whatever is on and invest interest in that? Yes. The hard pill to swallow is that there is too much content. You know what I will feel when I can’t watch baseball or all of the NBA playoff games? Happy I saved $150 a month. [And no, people who have little or no savings are generally not in that boat because of excessive potato chip consumption.]
On July 1, ESPN and TNT Sports will share the remaining 4 years of a 7-year contract to hold the NHL's media rights with Fox Sports and Amazon Prime Video beginning in the 2024-25 NHL season and running through the 2027-28 NHL season.
Thx David
This was A1 content 🔥🔥🔥
This was a very interesting conversation. And even as much as I disagree with some of David’s idea, his mentality is the predominant one in rooms where decisions get made.
The problem with Amazon is they don't understand the user experience when it comes to watching sports. Do some people watch sports on Amazon Prime? Sure. Has it been enough to get a return on their Thursday night football investment? NO. The reason why people tune INTO TNT and ESPN for sports is because people are already on there watching regularly scheduled programming and during that programming commercials and promos in commercial slots talking about upcoming sporting events organically flows through. People just aren't firing up an app on a device or TV to watch a live sports event unless it was some kind of PPV type thing. Amazon scoops up the NBA, no one's tuning in. Amazon is just not live TV top of mind with with the average consumer.
What's the difference between someone watching the NBC Nightly News on Channel 4 until 7pm and then changing the channel to TNT for NBA pregame vs binge-watching your favorite Amazon Prime series until 8:25 and then going to Thursday Night Football?
Amazon has over 100 million subscribers, people will be tuning in lol
Correction: they have over 200 million subscribers
I've been looking forward to this conversation!!!
Tnt is a package. The front 4 and don’t forget all the people behind the scenes we never see.
Lol HI Guys Great Show as always,, lol Now I want all to see & know why I Luv Samson Soo much..He's a Ripe Handful this one lol,, David Always has his eye's on the Details,,while everyone else are captivated by the Glory of the "Big Table" that's inviting a relaxing sit down,,David is sted fast busy sanding down & buffing out that tiny notch on the table !! & possibly knocking over your glass of water in the process lolol.
"The Sporting Class" needs to be a weekly, if not more frequent, program offering from Meadowlark. This is appointment-level content, and should be marketed as such.
This was extremely informative of the media world of how things work and why things happen. It sounds like TNT might lose the NBA not because of something they did but because Warner-Discovery is in so much debt.
TNT would make more money in this day and age playing movies from the 80/90s nonstop like they used to before they had sports besides the Braves.
I doubt it because you can watch those same movies free on a Fire Stick.
lol David think Ernie 4th he is #1 spine of the whole show Shaq Kenny and Chuck have the utmost respect for him that’s why everything they do translates on screen
Ej is the 2nd most important guy at the desk. And Barkley said on Dan Patrick that he negotiated an out in the contract if tnt looses the nba rights.
You definitely need Ernie. That show would suck without him. The expendable one is Shaq.
yeah okay 🤣🤣
Agree
What a perfect metaphor… I love Skipper, and I mostly like David, but he can be irritating. That metaphor shows one reason why.
What if they finessed the inside the NBA guys and extended their contract to mitigate the risk of losing the rights?
The contracts of Shaq, Charles, and Kenny will have almost no effect on whether TNT will keep the NBA rights.
Those contracts (and the 90 minute Inside the NBA) only help TNT keep NBA viewers after the game so they can charge more in ads because they have more eyeballs.
And Adam Silver couldn't care less, much like Roger Goodell doesn't care that there was a SS and two head coaches on NBC's Sunday Night Football.
If NBA games leave TNT I hope NBC gets the NBA rights rather than Amazon...NBC Sports already has experience with broadcasting sports...and sports in general on cable seems natural rather than on a specific streaming service...
It will be interesting to see the ratings of the pacers vs knicks series to see if rivalries even matter anymore or not for generating buzz and viewer and fan interest.
I can't wait to argue with someone using everything I heard here 😂😂😂
Inside The NBA doesn’t work without Ernie. Full stop.
46:05 Peacock ain’t worth $14/month
It costs MUCH more than 2 dollars more per month to avoid commercials. Bootlegging is going to soar through the roof. Guys like John Skipper are pure evil. Watch how he grins like an idiot when he talks about increased fees or overpaying for sports.
If Skipper's not the host, why is he in the center box.
Ernie is cool but I don't watch the show for him, personally. I see ppl saying that the show isn't the same when not hosted by him but let's not be naive. The ppl they chose to host the show in Ernie's absence are not as good as him by design. It's like the goalkeeper in soccer. They're not going to have a starter as the Number 2.
Also, Barkley has always been must-see TV. The reason he was chosen for all of those commercials in the early 90s was his personality and charisma. It's no surprise he has done as well as he has, imo.
This is a great example of why John was able to succeed in the market without being a NepoBaby and David was only successful because his mom was being clapped by wealthy dudes.
Great video, I love content like this. But why do all these mergers and take on so much debt? Everyone is losing money so I’m confused about where this industry is going.
Podcasting has meant that Barkley, Ernie, Shaq & Kenny are somewhat obsolete after the boomer generation age out of the media landscape.
Also NBCSN lost the NHL and gained the NBA. Thats a big gain imo.
Primevideo will do a deal with Infinity or whoever the comcast cable distributor is like Rogers did with SlackTV. Where they broadcast NHL games via Sportsnet +.
I don’t think those 3 guys would do the show without Ernie. The combination is perfect with those 4. It won’t work with others… the B team inside the NBA numbers prob low af lol
Ernie is the godfather for a reason. He’s important
It’s always long term growth not short term gains and quarterly earnings.
How did Skipper run ESPN? Dudes a disaster.
NBA on NBC was excellence...
if this were anyone else i would be in a coma. these 3 are great!
Amazon gets their bread(money) from AWS
It’s the combination of Ernie, Chuck, Shaq, and Kenny that makes the show great in my opinion. You remove Ernie and you got a problem, the show doesn’t work the same. He’s the damn point guard feeding the ball to the superstars…wtf are you thinking!
I think that if NBC steals NBA package from Turner Sports, NBC should rotate airing the NBA Finals with ABC/ESPN. Similar to the Super Bowl being rotated between CBS, Fox, & NBC and (more recently) the Stanley Cup Finals rotating between ABC/ESPN and Turner Sports.
12:26 Wrong, it’s the chemistry between all four, not only the big 3. Anyone who watches them realize that the show is less entertaining if they replace Ernie.
So would the NBA already have media rights negotiations basically done at this point?
No it’ll probably be done by July most likely or the end of summer at the latest
Skipper thinks like Warren Buffet
Long term investments are where the real money is
WB Discovery will need to overpay to keep "crown jewel" of NBA. Otherwise someone like Amazon will overpay and seamlessly incorporate in their Prime business model just like TNF with NFL
Listened the whole way. Samson carries himself like a true a-hole. Like the dandruff shampoo tingle, that means it’s working.
Could wbd sell inside the nba as a program to Amazon, or whoever has the nba game rights
No. It’s talent and production team all have individual contracts. Only thing wbd could sell would be the name/branding
Imagine increasing bidding to showcase a declining product
9:05 “Sui generis” Pablo with the high school SAT bomb!!! Shoulda been a doctor.
Love The Sporting Class but not a fan of the tri-screen for them.
What up Milwaukee bro, Pablo love my guy, I love you don't take no shit ❤❤❤❤❤
😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah, this guy doesn't know sh i t! Ernie is the glue, he just admitted that Barkley's shows suck without Ernie!
If dennis rodman could stay sober hed eclipses charles barkley and shaq. Rodman one of the biggest rockstard
Charles Barkley about to sign with NBC for their new NBA deal
Facts it will be largest Deal ever and they will have Doing Olympic coverage and everything 😂
@@jaysoncarter3171 Lmaooo gonna be hillarious
Yeah but lets say they re get the NBA more the likely less playoff games and less reguler season games
Warner Discovery is tanking nothing is cheaper than just doing nothing.