Ya gotta love the day and age we're living in, where a man can be so enlightened and awake, while at the same time, wearing cargo shorts!!😊 Love it! And I love hearing Tim speak.👌Thanks for this video!
I was drifting in a light meditation using spiritual principles as a foundation when a wooden chain got my attention so I asked to change a question do you know anything about religion ( religion) is to link back and bind together meditate on the chain the only requirement is a desire Your imagination it will fire each link is autonomous under the sun use that either looks back catapulting you into the fourth dimension remember we were 62 to try to have some fun The chain never lies the truth is one
Well, he's telling a story, isn't he. Big Bang, 13.8 billion years, bio-evolution. How does he or anyone know. I don't know. Nevertheless, he is a good soul and this is an enjoyable presentation. Thanks for posting this.
Also, Tim, how do we know that the universe continues to get more complex. In our world we see rise and fall dynamics at play. And how do we know that our forebearers would be blown away by what we know. We might well be blown away by what some of them knew. Do you really see history as a linear progression from simple to complex only?
And at 25:50 he asserts, "We know that consciousness has evolved." Well no. That's what he supposes based on what he "knows." In my mind I edited this line to read, "If we suppose that consciousness has evolved..." and I can listen to the rest unperturbed. But for him to paint a picture and say we know it to be true, is that good philosophy or good science? His vision is great! But if every mystic ever says awareness is the ground of reality (I'm not asserting that they do) rather than emergent, I need more than one guy saying that it's the right view because it better fits the patterns we have found through science. But at least he's a pretty compelling guy, and when I get a chance I'll be trying out his idea on any available mystics! (hopefully myself included)
Don't agree. I believe consciousness or 'soul' is fundamental and was there in the beginning, and was the potentiality for everything else in the physical universe, not the other way round as Tim seems to be postulating. This sounds like McKenna's idea of increasing novelty (or complexity), which I think is fine to describe the physical universe, but in the sense that the physical universe grows increasingly more complex as it moves towards becoming a manifestation of the original universal consciousness at the omega point. Sorry, I think Tim has it wrong, but whatever works for him. Consciousness first, matter after. I don't think 'soul' evolved out of physical matter. It's the other way round. Consciousness (soul) was always there.
I've got a suspicion here that Tim is Trojan horsing this whole thing just to get scientists to take spirit more seriously. Scientists don't study spirit because they're terrified it'll upend their life's work and all their assumptions about reality. The thin end of the wedge for now is high performance training. I heard an interview with a sniper who says you get more kills if your mind is empty before and as you pull the trigger. If you're actually thinking about killing the target, some of them sense it and change their movement away from where you planned to get them. I doubt there's a mystic anywhere who would agree that spirit is emergent, but I'll be asking when I get the chance!
the statements are interesting but they lack of explanation of why it is so. So I do not have any reason to believe in. It is just a fairy tale, though interesting to listen.)) I`d prefer to have some provements, at list logical.))
Not clear what you're saying... are you implying by the quotation marks that Tim is being contradictory to some notion of there not being a 'me'? If you are, are you promoting or disagreeing with that idea? Or are you just criticizing his promoting his book?
This apparent being is still very deluded and very far from living oneness and that is nobody's fault and what apparently happens. "He" mentions he gives retreats. Too bad that people listen to a deluded person, but that is what apparently happens very often and deluded 'teachers' can even tell their deluded stories as being true with the best of intentions. He is not helping people reach clarity on non-duality, but confuses them with his stories. When he says "you matter", he means "I matter" and that is pure ego speaking. He also says we have free will, which is an utter falacy. This was the long way of responding. The brief form is saying: this is baloney, really. There is only This. He probably should not be a speaker at non-dual conferences for that reason.
Geert Ramaut indeed, Tim does say that the ego is the hero of the story, not the villian! But i suppose if you are right and there is no free will then does he really have any choice in saying that..? ;) And ive spoken to a few people that have done Tim's retreats and by the sounds of it they are really lovely, enjoyable and even quite mind blowing!!! I mean, what more can you ask for!? Or do you think spirituality should be a very serious matter? ;)
This conference is about non-duality, so it should be looked at from that angle. And duality and the ego are included in non-duality. But to find duality, one does not need to come to conference like this. Everyday life is full of it, if you have a dualistic mind, like most people have. And as to the loveliness of retreats, that has nothing to do with non-duality. There are many nice experiences to be had by 'me', but they never last. Non-Duality is about finding lasting peace and when it is pursued to the core, it takes no prisoners and ALL illusions have to go. Some imposters do not know they are one. It does degrade the quality of the conference's credentials if the organisers cannot a tell a real one from a pretender, but hey, life goes on.
He strikes me as a gatekeeper for Maya. A showman keeping the puppets moving, keeping it entertaining. Many people will like that, obviously. But it is all superficial.
@@tbayley6 Gatekeeper maybe, but at least he marks a gate. I think anybody grounded in non-duality just won't fall for his spirit is emergent spiel. But I think 'spirit is emergent' is an interesting way to make the whole field of inquiry less threatening to the materialist mindset. I suspect he knows his teaching is exoteric, and anyone who gets beyond it will laugh and understand exactly why it had to be that way. And maybe a pretty illuminating question to a mystic would be, how do you know spirit us not emergent?
Ya gotta love the day and age we're living in, where a man can be so enlightened and awake, while at the same time, wearing cargo shorts!!😊
Love it!
And I love hearing Tim speak.👌Thanks for this video!
If this video was a book, it just fell on my head. So grateful -
"Life is good, death is safe, and what really matters is love." Thank you
I absolutely resonate with what you have to share....keep up the good work
YES! I would like to see Tim Freke and Sam Harris discuss these topics. YES?
Wow ! What a Bright understanding
"Soul" is massive and it's real. And it's infinitely larger and more bizarre (and, therefore, interesting) than the physical universe.
Please bring Shunyamurti on science and non-duality
I was drifting in a light meditation
using spiritual principles as a foundation
when a wooden chain got my attention
so I asked to change a question
do you know anything about religion
( religion) is to link back and bind together
meditate on the chain the only requirement is a desire
Your imagination it will fire
each link is autonomous under the sun
use that either looks back
catapulting you into the fourth dimension
remember we were 62 to try to have some fun
The chain never lies the truth is one
Life is good! Tell that to people in Syria.
"...FUNDAMENTALLY..." I FEEL U THOUGH...
Do we get an allocated parking space once we get our after death vehicle sorted
I would just like to remark that the cloud is not 'kinda everywhere', it is on a google server.
Red & Gold = Michael ❤️🌞
Well, he's telling a story, isn't he. Big Bang, 13.8 billion years, bio-evolution. How does he or anyone know. I don't know. Nevertheless, he is a good soul and this is an enjoyable presentation. Thanks for posting this.
Also, Tim, how do we know that the universe continues to get more complex. In our world we see rise and fall dynamics at play. And how do we know that our forebearers would be blown away by what we know. We might well be blown away by what some of them knew. Do you really see history as a linear progression from simple to complex only?
@@vortexpilot5096 history no but evolution yes, complexity.
And at 25:50 he asserts, "We know that consciousness has evolved." Well no. That's what he supposes based on what he "knows."
In my mind I edited this line to read, "If we suppose that consciousness has evolved..." and I can listen to the rest unperturbed. But for him to paint a picture and say we know it to be true, is that good philosophy or good science?
His vision is great! But if every mystic ever says awareness is the ground of reality (I'm not asserting that they do) rather than emergent, I need more than one guy saying that it's the right view because it better fits the patterns we have found through science. But at least he's a pretty compelling guy, and when I get a chance I'll be trying out his idea on any available mystics! (hopefully myself included)
Don't agree. I believe consciousness or 'soul' is fundamental and was there in the beginning, and was the potentiality for everything else in the physical universe, not the other way round as Tim seems to be postulating. This sounds like McKenna's idea of increasing novelty (or complexity), which I think is fine to describe the physical universe, but in the sense that the physical universe grows increasingly more complex as it moves towards becoming a manifestation of the original universal consciousness at the omega point. Sorry, I think Tim has it wrong, but whatever works for him. Consciousness first, matter after. I don't think 'soul' evolved out of physical matter. It's the other way round. Consciousness (soul) was always there.
I've got a suspicion here that Tim is Trojan horsing this whole thing just to get scientists to take spirit more seriously. Scientists don't study spirit because they're terrified it'll upend their life's work and all their assumptions about reality.
The thin end of the wedge for now is high performance training. I heard an interview with a sniper who says you get more kills if your mind is empty before and as you pull the trigger. If you're actually thinking about killing the target, some of them sense it and change their movement away from where you planned to get them.
I doubt there's a mystic anywhere who would agree that spirit is emergent, but I'll be asking when I get the chance!
Ego 😊
the statements are interesting but they lack of explanation of why it is so. So I do not have any reason to believe in. It is just a fairy tale, though interesting to listen.)) I`d prefer to have some provements, at list logical.))
By the way...buy "my" book!
Not clear what you're saying... are you implying by the quotation marks that Tim is being contradictory to some notion of there not being a 'me'? If you are, are you promoting or disagreeing with that idea? Or are you just criticizing his promoting his book?
Why not a "my" in that story? He very much validates the existence of the individual.
The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing
This apparent being is still very deluded and very far from living oneness and that is nobody's fault and what apparently happens. "He" mentions he gives retreats. Too bad that people listen to a deluded person, but that is what apparently happens very often and deluded 'teachers' can even tell their deluded stories as being true with the best of intentions. He is not helping people reach clarity on non-duality, but confuses them with his stories. When he says "you matter", he means "I matter" and that is pure ego speaking. He also says we have free will, which is an utter falacy. This was the long way of responding. The brief form is saying: this is baloney, really. There is only This. He probably should not be a speaker at non-dual conferences for that reason.
Geert Ramaut indeed, Tim does say that the ego is the hero of the story, not the villian! But i suppose if you are right and there is no free will then does he really have any choice in saying that..? ;)
And ive spoken to a few people that have done Tim's retreats and by the sounds of it they are really lovely, enjoyable and even quite mind blowing!!! I mean, what more can you ask for!?
Or do you think spirituality should be a very serious matter? ;)
This conference is about non-duality, so it should be looked at from that angle. And duality and the ego are included in non-duality. But to find duality, one does not need to come to conference like this. Everyday life is full of it, if you have a dualistic mind, like most people have. And as to the loveliness of retreats, that has nothing to do with non-duality. There are many nice experiences to be had by 'me', but they never last. Non-Duality is about finding lasting peace and when it is pursued to the core, it takes no prisoners and ALL illusions have to go. Some imposters do not know they are one. It does degrade the quality of the conference's credentials if the organisers cannot a tell a real one from a pretender, but hey, life goes on.
He strikes me as a gatekeeper for Maya. A showman keeping the puppets moving, keeping it entertaining. Many people will like that, obviously. But it is all superficial.
@@tbayley6 Gatekeeper maybe, but at least he marks a gate. I think anybody grounded in non-duality just won't fall for his spirit is emergent spiel.
But I think 'spirit is emergent' is an interesting way to make the whole field of inquiry less threatening to the materialist mindset. I suspect he knows his teaching is exoteric, and anyone who gets beyond it will laugh and understand exactly why it had to be that way.
And maybe a pretty illuminating question to a mystic would be, how do you know spirit us not emergent?
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