Nock On?? Is Dudley in the house? Good video, I have a Satori and a Samick, and a WFX. I don't think I would give up the WFX. The DAS is pricier and looks clunky compared to the WFX. Plus I love Calvin and DeWayne' story, product, and achievements. Big fan. Thanks for your video.
Nice review. Thanks. I'd like to see a review of the 21" DAS Dalaa compared to the DAS HT21. I have two of the former mentioned risers and they are great as well. Considerably less money than the HT21 for the Dalaa. Of course, less featured though. Keep up the good work.
Got another question, how are the stainless steel bushings for the ilf/das limb pads secured into the riser? Spotted them on The Pushes clip about the ht 21.
Been waiting to hear about this riser. I’d love to see a real in-depth comparison between the CD21 and the Das. Ideally I’d just like to get my hands on both and see which I’d like better but it’s just not practical, especially being in Australia. I’d be comparing them to my current riser - a 21” Black Bear Warf and there’s already a few obvious advantages with either of the two new risers. How it feels to shoot is my primary concern though.
I can personally tell you that both are shooters.. both are have helped me to be more accurate, but I get your concern on feel. As trad archers we are all about how a bow feels to shoot and the case of any ILF riser the limb selection is a major part. With both risers able to change handles and add weight you can really dial in the feel. I wouldn’t hesitate on either if you want the best 21 inch riser on the planet :).
@@mattwight1872 neither, I haven’t shot my bow for months but will be again soon. I’ll just be shooting my old bow at least for a while. If I was going to get one of those two I still don’t know which I’d choose!
I've got a Discovery, and a 21" Satori. I'm very happy with both of them. I tend to shoot the Discovery more often, because i like the lighter mass weight. The 21" Satori is no lightweight. I don't think you can go wrong with either riser.
I think they are both good but there are some pros and cons. Removable weight being the most important. Price is also important. My review sort of states that
I don’t doubt for a second it’s a good riser. But the price is just goofy. The fact that it’s so expensive and yet the grip is an additional charge is quite comical.
I want to see a contest between you and another similarly skilled archer, shoot at 25 yards, you with your $700 riser and $300 limbs, and him or her with a $150 Samick Sage. We could see if people buying all the fancy stuff are just paying for looks.
They don’t shoot Sages in the Olympics. The reason is that tech helps. It’s not subjective. If I shot against myself with a sage I would definitely shoot better with a high end bow. That I know is true. Also, If I was paying for looks I wouldn’t by an ILF riser either. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@ArcheryGeek Olympic bows have sights and giant stabilizers, put them on a relatively long budget bow and you'd get nearly the same effect. If we are talking just risers and limbs, no sights, no stabilizers, and no fancy arrow rests, 62 inch Sage=62 inch $1000 recurve
@@jacobwilliams5271 nope you wouldn’t. Not even close. A good bow with good arrows will out shoot a cheap bow with the same archer. Bow performance is not subjective it is something we can measure and it has been done. the TradLab does this a lot. That being said if you can only afford a certain level of bow it might make you a better archer. Feel and comfort might also impact shooting but overall a good archer will see improvements with a better bow.
@@jacobwilliams5271 You can't purchase an olympic type riser and limbs for a $1000.00. But an ILF Recurve will out perform even a high end recurve. The tech and the R & D that has gone into ILF limbs and risers put them in a different class. The materials used today in ILF limbs by Win & WIn and Uukha will out perform cheap and expensive recurves.
Way over priced……everyone gets all googly eyed crazy thinking this riser will be the end all to their shooting woes. Form and technique trump equipment every time. Besides a Hoyt xceed riser can be bought for that and it includes two grips. To sell a riser without a grip is well, stupid.sorry.
I have the dx5 and now purchased the das dalha 17. I do like the convenience of ilf limbs and try something new!! I have a 21 w@w black elk riser that is nice too. To get into archery as a beginner the black hunter longbows is a fun bow
Bought a 21 Das Dalaa in 2008, right after 3 rivers bought the rights. Still my go to riser.
They are just really well made and the price is pretty good. Love the Dalaa too
Got mine on order can't wait
Think I’m going to ask for a commission from 3 Rivers in that purchase 😂. Nice cameo btw!
Just ordered mine with the Das 3k limbs. Can't wait to get out and shoot it! Hopefully I'll be just as happy with it as you are.
Good to see your still shooting those Uukhas! Would love to see the new DAS 3K Bamboo limbs go head to head against our French mistress.
That’s a great idea!
Nock On?? Is Dudley in the house?
Good video, I have a Satori and a Samick, and a WFX. I don't think I would give up the WFX. The DAS is pricier and looks clunky compared to the WFX.
Plus I love Calvin and DeWayne' story, product, and achievements. Big fan.
Thanks for your video.
Neat riser, and thanks for the review!
Nice review. Thanks. I'd like to see a review of the 21" DAS Dalaa compared to the DAS HT21. I have two of the former mentioned risers and they are great as well. Considerably less money than the HT21 for the Dalaa. Of course, less featured though. Keep up the good work.
I actually gave my old original Dalaa to The Trad Lab (Cody), he loves that riser as well and they based this model after that one I believe.
@@ArcheryGeek That was very nice of you. Cody will put that riser to good use. :)
Got another question, how are the stainless steel bushings for the ilf/das limb pads secured into the riser? Spotted them on The Pushes clip about the ht 21.
With the limb bolts. It’s a really slick system.
I'm going to buy the WF-21
How many turns out will the limb bolts handle to adjust the bow weight? 3 turns? More? Less?
more or less 3 turns from middle. about #2 up and #2 down
Would you recommend this riser for my draw length of 26.50 inches?
I would! But you have a lot of options that could be cheaper. 19 inch used Satori would be a great choice for hunting.
@ArcheryGeek what about the 19" DAS dalaa? I've been looking at that one and the hoyt satori 17" riser as well.
Been waiting to hear about this riser. I’d love to see a real in-depth comparison between the CD21 and the Das. Ideally I’d just like to get my hands on both and see which I’d like better but it’s just not practical, especially being in Australia. I’d be comparing them to my current riser - a 21” Black Bear Warf and there’s already a few obvious advantages with either of the two new risers. How it feels to shoot is my primary concern though.
I can personally tell you that both are shooters.. both are have helped me to be more accurate, but I get your concern on feel. As trad archers we are all about how a bow feels to shoot and the case of any ILF riser the limb selection is a major part. With both risers able to change handles and add weight you can really dial in the feel. I wouldn’t hesitate on either if you want the best 21 inch riser on the planet :).
@@ArcheryGeek only just saw your reply. Thanks!
What did you go for? I’m in Australia currently facing the same dilemma
@@mattwight1872 neither, I haven’t shot my bow for months but will be again soon. I’ll just be shooting my old bow at least for a while. If I was going to get one of those two I still don’t know which I’d choose!
Cool riser, but a lot of money. I’m trying to decide between the Satori or the Samick discovery. What’s your opinion.
I've got a Discovery, and a 21" Satori. I'm very happy with both of them. I tend to shoot the Discovery more often, because i like the lighter mass weight. The 21" Satori is no lightweight. I don't think you can go wrong with either riser.
@@shanepitzer4126 i bought the Samick waiting for it to grt here. Like a kid at Christmas time and I’m 71. Got the foam limbs at 45 lbs.
@@robertpeters6923 Nice. I hope you like it as much as I like mine.
What can I do about a stripped ilf riser the limb adjustment
Depends on the riser. What do you have?
@@ArcheryGeek it's a tbow the satori clone
What is the weight of that riser with out the weights? I am thinking of sorting out a wf19 riser sometime which weighs 3lbs 4oz.
2lbs 13 oz. Hope that helps!
What about the WF riser. VS.
I think they are both good but there are some pros and cons. Removable weight being the most important. Price is also important. My review sort of states that
The Das system is a advantage. Don't like extra holes. Like it's keep its clean look.
I don’t doubt for a second it’s a good riser. But the price is just goofy. The fact that it’s so expensive and yet the grip is an additional charge is quite comical.
I can’t disagree that the cost is too high
It is just plain too expensive and they are nickle and diming their customers for items that should be included. I will not be buying this riser.
next step is a compound
Need to try backwood composite ilf riser ,this is the best ,not this one!!
If you want to send me one I’d be glad to test it :)
In my opinion it's one ugly riser. I've been shooting ILF risers for years. Features are great, no doubt. I ordered a CD WF21 instead.
All ILF are ugly just have to choose your level I guess
@@ArcheryGeek good one!
I want to see a contest between you and another similarly skilled archer, shoot at 25 yards, you with your $700 riser and $300 limbs, and him or her with a $150 Samick Sage. We could see if people buying all the fancy stuff are just paying for looks.
They don’t shoot Sages in the Olympics. The reason is that tech helps. It’s not subjective. If I shot against myself with a sage I would definitely shoot better with a high end bow. That I know is true. Also, If I was paying for looks I wouldn’t by an ILF riser either. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@ArcheryGeek Olympic bows have sights and giant stabilizers, put them on a relatively long budget bow and you'd get nearly the same effect. If we are talking just risers and limbs, no sights, no stabilizers, and no fancy arrow rests, 62 inch Sage=62 inch $1000 recurve
@@jacobwilliams5271 nope you wouldn’t. Not even close. A good bow with good arrows will out shoot a cheap bow with the same archer. Bow performance is not subjective it is something we can measure and it has been done. the TradLab does this a lot. That being said if you can only afford a certain level of bow it might make you a better archer. Feel and comfort might also impact shooting but overall a good archer will see improvements with a better bow.
@@jacobwilliams5271 You can't purchase an olympic type riser and limbs for a $1000.00. But an ILF Recurve will out perform even a high end recurve. The tech and the R & D that has gone into ILF limbs and risers put them in a different class. The materials used today in ILF limbs by Win & WIn and Uukha will out perform cheap and expensive recurves.
Looks like a chunk).
Way over priced……everyone gets all googly eyed crazy thinking this riser will be the end all to their shooting woes. Form and technique trump equipment every time. Besides a Hoyt xceed riser can be bought for that and it includes two grips. To sell a riser without a grip is well, stupid.sorry.
its pretty darn good though - think you would change your mind if you shot one.
I have the dx5 and now purchased the das dalha 17. I do like the convenience of ilf limbs and try something new!! I have a 21 w@w black elk riser that is nice too. To get into archery as a beginner the black hunter longbows is a fun bow
First. Lol