Tories Face Brexit Reckoning Oblivion
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- Why we need to stop appeasing #brexit and rejoin the Single Market and Customs Union! Without food security we have no national security.
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The only thing the Tories delivered in fourteen years is Brexit. This single policy is rightly likely to destroy the Tories. A very well-deserved outcome for the Tories.
Tories want to be in government not to govern but to stop anyone else from governing.
Tory extinction is the best outcome for the Tories in fact for us all.
The only Party mentioning Brexit at every opportunity is the SNP. The reason being that Scotland, indeed every single constituency, voted against Brexit. Scotland as a whole was Remain and is massively Rejoin.
Independence first. Then you will be in with a chance of membership. But, until you get the "Westminster monkey off your back, there is no chance !
And Scotland is welcome to join the Sweet Mighty EU, with an owewhelming support across EUrope.
The same can not be said for that part south of Scotlands border.
How can Scotland rejoin the EU when it was never a member?
@@aleph8888
Read what I wrote, I specifically wrote Join.
@@aleph8888 To join as a new member, once Scotland is independent !
Every one of them should be investigated and jailed. Where is this country's money?.
Counting from which date? This lot started back in 1979, brexit merely turned it into a fire sale.
Who gave two hoots about a fading imperial power before North Sea Oil? Look what Norway did with their North Sea income, compare it with ours being spent on unemployment benefit for >3 million people and tell me the poor gullible sods who fell for farage's cobblers weren't simply capping off a disasterous voting record by bu99ering things up for generations to come.
Being safely looked after in there bank accounts,
It’s ridiculous that the campaign and policies have to kowtow to a few must win constituencies in order to gain power when it is obvious to all sane minds that rejoining the EU will be the start of putting this country back together. Proportional representation is a must going forward to stop this nonsense.
Don't be ridiculous, we don't want to have anything to do with the EU and we certainly don't want PR.
Lots of records.
Worst PM
Richest wife.
Largest addition to debt.
Heaviest defeat.
Fewest seats.
Highest immigration.
Most stagnant wages.
Shouldn’t the entire party go down as Law Breakers 😡🤬
Yo, Keir ! It was not the country who voted 'out', it was just England and Wales.
England voted out , noone cares about what the colonies think they have to say
Is it the case that if you excluded the English immigrants to Wales, then that country voted Remain also?
@@nickdoughty518 Good point. You could be right.
It is not in UKs gift either to join the single market and custom union.
I want the Labour government to stop being confined by the failed Tory financial policies that are austerity policies.
The post war societal improvements of the NHS and council house building were not achieved with Tory fiscal austerity policies.
I wish you patience for developing food and farming policy. I know every delicious morsel requires farmers and government. Farm animals deserve protections and a good life, like your cows. I, an American, don’t want US standards for farms here. Good luck.
Fundamental in fixing UK economic woes are the twin benefits of Single Market and Customs Union, the two ripest Cherries on the EU tree but in order to share in these delicious fruits, one must have access to the garden. Beggars beliefs why we put ourselves outside the garden in the first place and now have to sit at the entrance with our begging bowl.
The only fruit we can get are sour grapes which the EU throw out over the garden wall.
Nice fruity analogies but the UK can't have any of the fruit without becoming a member of the EU again which is impossible in less than 20 years. Meanwhile the French RN is setting out to wreck the EU from the inside, leaving it weak and disabled.
Don't forget the 50 or so years you spent to build it up as well.
You have to be joking, the Single market and Customs Union are terrible for the UK. Why would we want to give the EU tons of money and control of our trade policy for no tangible gain whatsoever?
It would be total madness. That's the last thing we want.
@@Iain1962 Stop to pretend to talk for anybody but yourself, stop to talk of what we want. You do not speak for anybody else, you never did and you never will.
@@skinless333x2 So what are you doing? It sure sounds like YOU are talking for somebody else....Not only that you feel like you can issue me orders !!!
Just the sort of entitlement that we hear all the time from those who refuse to accept democratic decisions, we voted to leave, not be half in and and half out.
I am an ardent Remainer.
However the reality is that we cannot qualify to re- join until there is no realistic political possibility that we could leave again.
That political reality does not exist at this time.
We have to move in that direction in small steps which is what KS is possibly suggesting.
There will always be a possibility to leave again, as it should be. The EU is not a prison like the union of GB and NI.
It is about minimising the likelyhood. But that is for later concern. First start working towards fulfilling the Copenhagen criteria, only after that comes the topic of reliability into the picture.
@@ab-ym3bf yes but the decade of severe austerity to meet the debt rule is a hard sell at the ballot box.
@@Purple_flower09 probably is, but it is also reality.
And reality seems to scare the UK public, and thus UK politicians.
One day the U.K. will wake up from its unicorn 🦄 dream - no doubt.
But not yet.
Some choices in life and in politics have long lasting consequences - Brexit is one of those
Farmers are partly responsible and the fishermen so thick and gullible.
Every brexit voter is partially responsible. Why single out a group that had a marginally higher brexit vote than the average?
@@ab-ym3bf exactly the higher responsibility.
Brexit Status 2024:
1. Brexit is DONE, EU doors are shut and Brexit cannot be reversed.
2. The treaty cannot be renegotiated and/or rewritten.
3. The existing international treaty will not be replaced by a new one.
4. As a lawyer Keir Starmer cannot ignore that an international treaty is like an agreed and signed contract and that changes only can be made to that contract/international treaty if BOTH parties agree to do so.
However, the EU's answer is/was already "NO, Thanks but NO Thanks, Or you are IN, or you are OUT. No more cherries on that cake. END OFF". The EU respects the democratic decision of the UK to leave the EU. Brexit means Brexit, OUT means OUT and OUT you are. Britain managed to vote itself out, but won't be able to vote itself back in.
Joining the EU:
Not yet to talk about the criteria and conditions that need to be fulfilled, before being able to join the EU/27 member states, i.e. "accepting the Euro €, requirement that a state has the institutions to preserve democratic governance and *human rights, has a functioning market economy, and accepts the obligations and intent of the European Union."
Just a little reminder:
The UK's applications to join in 1963 and 1967 were vetoed by the President of France, Charles de Gaulle. While it was true that Britain's economy, like many others, was struggling to recover from the high cost of WW2, De Gaulle had personal as well as economic reasons for not wanting the British around the table.
Hate against the EU:
During and after the Brexit referendum campaign, Britain has not stopped to display their hate against the EU as well as campaigning to leave the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) for the simple reason that it contains the word "Europe" in it..
The EU/27 member states certainly have reasons enough, to reject any future application for a UK candidacy as a future EU member state and it will not come as any surprise whatsoever.
Human Rights:
- isn't it the UK with its Tory government and their friends from the far-right business company Reform UK Ltd, who are campaigning to leave the ECHR and by doing so, are taking away the Human Rights of its own population?
There already is the first hurdle and there are more of them i.e. not respecting international laws and by breaking them.
Who on earth would like to have a country like that as a club member?
The UK would be well advised to join Belarus and Russia instead.
One cannot join the EU like taking a bus, a taxi, a train, a plane when it suits the political and financial agenda and then tell the EU to f* off after having milked it financially for decades.
Conclusion:
If the British public, farmers and fishermen vote for these con-artists and Putin apologists again, then they cannot blame anybody else but themselves! Fool me once, shame on You! Fool me twice, shame on ME!
This is what Nigel Farage and the Tories stand for:
Getting rid of YOUR Human Rights (the European Court of Human Rights i.e., ECHR, enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement) and breaching international laws and conventions i.e., UNCHR Refugee Convention 1951 and its 1967 Protocol.
Watch your Human Rights and Your Equality Act going up in flames!
The Media: BBC, ITV, K-GB News and SKY News, Daily Express, Daily Mail, The Telegraph etc helping Hitler and Putin loving Nigel Farage to get elected? You bet! Putin will be so proud of his friend Nigel, will he not?!
NHS for sale:
Nigel Farage (broker) and Donald Trump (bidder) and for Labour, Wes Streeting (broker) and the Israeli IDF linked Health Firm (bidder). BYE BYE NHS.
Climate Change:
Source: DeSmog
By Adam Barnetton Nov 17, 2023
"Nigel Farage’s Reform Party Took £135,000 from Climate Science Deniers and Fossil Fuel Interests
All of the anti-net zero party’s funders in 2023 have oil and gas investments or ties to climate science denial."
The RN will destroy the EU from the inside. If I was you I'd be very worried about that and not wasting time on tedious lectures at British Remainers.
@@Purple_flower09 Wishful thinking. Even Marine Le Pen learned her lesson by not aiming to leave the EU anymore and now wants to remain as an EU member state. Why? Because the French public was able to observe the Brexit disaster and the French public doesn't want to leave the EU. Now enjoy your Brexit and keep partying your massive win. Is that you Nick Griffin?
@@InTheSpotlight755 oh you got me wrong totally. I'm very concerned about what's likely to happen to the EU because of the rise of the RN. Partly because of their intention to block aid to Ukraine and partly because of their intention to disable the EU across the board. Although the UK is just a third country, stability in the EU is important to us in the UK. And that stability is definitely under threat with the rise of the RN. Yes they changed their mind about France leaving the EU and have decided instead to attack it from within. At the least we are going to see a paralysis in decision making in the EU and that's not in the interests of the UK at all.
There is a myth that goes around these social media channels that everyone in the EU loves it. But already Italy is very sceptical about the EU and openly so. Once joined by France and increasing anti EU sentiment in parts of Germany there is a risk of an unstoppable Eurosceptic force. Not to dismantle the EU, but to bring it to a grinding halt.
I don't think this is a good thing. Not at all. Europe's security is under threat and much of that threat is from within. R N leaders are funded by Putin and agree with him on basically most things. This is alarming.
On a wider point this channel is run by a nice person who is a bit naive about how the EU works. Of course the EU has nothing for the UK and it won't offer anything at all. The UK decided to leave and this is how it will be for a couple of decades at least and more likely permanently. It's not what I wanted but unlike our host on the channel I've accepted reality.
@@Purple_flower09 Yeah, you clever Brutish have been predicting the end of the EU for decades now. You clever people who can't even get the customs checks you voted for eight years ago up and running.
We just laugh at you, your arrogance, your ignorance and your incompetence. Try keeping your rotten English dictatorship together.
@@Purple_flower09 sort the comments on "newest" and you´ll see your first comment.
Thank you.
It would appear that farmers have already influenced the government once, and look how Brexit went!
Hi Liz is there any truth reform are suggesting Farmers will vote reform
Good information, Liz. Let's hope Labour can be pushed to do more to reconnect to the EU, and in particular find a way to rejoin the Single Market and the Customs Union. Hope you avoid any more vehicle mishaps! 🎉😊
Fun fact: in order for a third country = little brexitannia to join/rejoin the SM and the CU, we, the EU27 🇪🇺 members, would need to change our 'constitution' to our detriment as a first step.
In a second step, then we 🇪🇺 would deliberately destroy this very SM/CU because any other random 3rd Tom, Dick, Harry and their dog, according to the WTO's MFN rules, could request the same privilege, which would destroy any TCA the EU has with any nation ..... and it would make EU membership superfluous to enjoy the privileges of the
SM, since literally *ANYBODY* could have it anyway.
Just because this birdbrain Miss Webster fails to comprehend these simple facts and continues to incessantly waffle on about it ..... we 🇪🇺 won't do her favour of destroying ourselves.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
PS simple comparison, since vous rosbifs are a tad intellectually challenged: it's like you 🇬🇧 abolishing any immigration rules, because anyone who decides to become a British citizen simply could get a British passport by stating: ' Iherewith demand to be a British citizen' ..... and the UK would have to issue him a passport.
You must have missed what Kier Starmer has said No Single market, No custom union, No free movement 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
There is no way for that, that is for members.
@@peterholden3672 Tell me what you mean by that as I don't see it.
Winced when I head about the poor bull. Glad you got it sorted.
I absolutely agree Liz, but the journey back is a very long one sadly.
Liz, you are an inspiration.
Irrespective of politics, anything or anyone who claims to believe in something but demonstrates idle powers, really believes in nothing and acts accordingly.
I realy wonder about this "UK EU commission" you talked to : How many official EU representatives took part?
Or is the EU part in that "UK EU commission" of the same impact as the E in ERG ?
there is a commission that oversees smaller disputes regarding the rules of the TCA, where minor differences of interpretation are clarified. Not sure if and how often it has been in session.
"A visit by the PM is normally what is wanted most" - not this time. It feels more like "please stay away if you want us to have a chance of holding the seat". Happy times!
Didn´t you have the same situation with "Boris"?
@@ab-ym3bf Apparently, people didn't learn their lesson and are now putting hopes on BoJoke saving the Toxies...
@@PEdulis that would be a laugh. For us outside the UK I mean.
Honest analysis!
There are no benefits to brexit. The brexiters just go on about the vote. That was eight years, four PMs and three elections ago.
Labour's direction of travel is for ever closer relations with the EU. They know it's the quickest way to stabilise and grow our economy, otherwise they'll struggle to deliver the improvements they've promised in their manifesto.
Little can be achieved without EU membership. Minor tinkering is still to be welcomed though.
@@Purple_flower09 Most people will recognise that the UK will need to be re-aligned with EU standards before they'll entertain any application to (re)join. That's in addition to the matter being settled politically and for certain safeguards to be in place to minimise the risk of a future Tory Govt. pulling the same stunt. Whether Labour do get us back in the EU is still uncertain, but it's fair to say that Labour will at least move us in the right direction, and they know what we want if they hope to win another term!
@@l33jcm mostly agree with you there. I get bogged down with this public debt problem. The UK would need a decade of severe austerity to become eligible to apply. Who is going to vote for that?
@@Purple_flower09you will probably get bogged down by fulfilling another Copenhagen criteria, one which I find of more interest as an EU citizen than the debt level of a prospective member: subscribing to the goals of the EU.
We have all experienced the waverthin commitments of the UK in the past, we all know there is no great enthusiasm in the UK for anything other than economical and financial gains via sm/cu, so brexit 2.0 and everything that happens before that will be a revisit of the UK's first membership period.
Groundhog day.
For that reason I think the UK will remain outside the EU for a very long time, I'm talking decades here.
@@l33jcmI seriously doubt your first statement.
Articles published in both MSM and other UK media, the comment sections, encounters with brits, they mostly point in the unicorn direction of the UK being able to cherry pick any direction it likes because it is so important and the EU will bend over backwards.
So "most people will recognize" seems far from reality.
Maybe Kier would have been a better toolmaker than his father?
Well, perhaps the best tool his father made was Keir. Although out of all of the tools heading the political parties of the country, he's probably the least harmful of them all. That statement, is however, comparatively speaking. The daftest and most dangerous tool in the political box is of course, Fanatical Fantasist Farage.
@@andrewjones-productions Is Farage really the most dangerous one? At least with him you know what you vote for.
With Starmer you don´t actually know what his position will be tomorrow, or the day after. All the Starmer fanboys have been quick to announce that his aim is to win over the brexit voters with his current stance, and once in power do a 180º and go for the opposite. That could well mean he stops at 90º or go as far as a 270º, one never knows with him.
That to me sounds much more dangerous.
Oh, I do hope so!!!
Me too.
I can't vote Labour anymore. I'll vote for any party that is strong on tackling global warming and strong on getting the UK back into Europe.
Any takers?
The Green candidate will be perfect for you!
But don't forget:
Voting in general elections won't be enough. To improve the country, you'll have to put all your effort for Proportional Representation. Until that's achieved, little can be improved.
Unfortunately, rejoining is not going to happen overnight. I’m sad to say it will probably not happen in my life time, or the very end of it as in my mid 60’s.
The main objective currently is get a government that is NOT the Tory’s and make sure Reform have the smallest impact on government they can as well as making them a one hit wonder. I’m sickened to say but Farage is going to be elected, but he needs to be held to account by his constituents and work for the first time in a very very long time at the job he is being paid handsomely to do. Although, he will swan around doing what ever he wants and be on TV spouting his populist Ballhux at every opportunity I have no doubt.
I get why you would not vote Labour, but on this occasion it is so very important that the Tory’s and Reform are smashed. Use your vote tactically and if that means Labour, then vote Labour. Or, if LibDem’s are looking to take your local seat, please vote LibDem. Please make your vote count as we need a strong government of at least 2 to 3 terms that can start to talk about the EU and all of the benefits of rejoining the good stuff.
I live in Ireland now, but still have a postal vote for my old constituency, which I proud to see for the very first time in its history will vote out the sitting Tory after 120 + yrs of them just assuming they would have an easy seat. That has not happened just because of people being sick to their back teeth of the lies and corruption, it’s also down to hard work from local act and tactical voting.
I’m not Starmer fan what so ever, but he is what we have and hopefully he will not be party leader by the next election if he hasn’t changed his stance of the EU.
Please vote tactically.
Even in the immediate term, I don't think you have a choice BUT to Re-join! Northern Ireland can't wait if you want to retain it within the Act of Union. It feels like it is slipping away from Blighty ...
I've been waiting since the end of the transition period for Brexiters to have a 'Plan B'. Contingency planning for life outside the Single Market. Instead, all the 'Vote Leave' cabal are scuttling and running away from what they have done.
They can't stop the Six Counties slipping away from Blighty. It will be long gone before their return
The only P`Party I`d vote for next week would be that one which made it absolutely clear that their first priority would be to hand in an application to re-join the EU.
Since there is no such party I won`t be voting at all.
You see, when Starmer answered, "No" to my free movement he immediately lost my vote.
That would absolutely determine my vote. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. I will look at Carol Vorderman's tactical voting website and vote for the most likely winner from Labour / Lib Dems / Greens in my constituency
@@edcleverley9333Thank you. I’ve just done the same (postal vote posted today).
I'm always pleased to hear when someone doesn't vote. It allows the rest of us to decide.
Yes, I want to rejoin, yes, I want free movement. But I'm also aware that Labour only ever get elected when they occupy the centre-ground. So they can say what you want to hear, but then you'll get another fourteen years like the last.
starmer's stance is so solid one can only assume he is happy with the situation and was a closet brexiteer all along.
Ps, my mother always said to me that if one doesn`t vote then one can hardly complain.
Years later a rather aggressive bloke in a pub said to me the exact same thing.
I replied : " Then to whom should we cast our vote - all parties being equally Evil ?
You`ll excuse me but so long as I pay tax I`ll moan.
When I stop paying taxes I`ll stop complaining.
Whatever happened to the pro EU Lib/Dems??
Liberals say they want the UK to join the EU eventually.
I thought in a democracy when the country makes a mistake (Brexit) its people can correct that mistake. In a dictatorship you have to wait for the supreme leader to die (in the case of Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco) before a correction can made. But I guess in a democracy you have the same problem. People cannot admit their error and make a correction.
Liz, I really like what I think are (your) Shorthorn cattle. I saw Speckle and really loved her colouring. Would I be right in saying that you have both Red Shorthorn and Roan Shorthorn or perhaps just a Roan Shorthorn bull and crossbreed with Red Shorthorn cows?
Onto today's main political topic... Like most people who are following your channel, I await with pleasure the political victory over the Tories next week. Also, nothing would please me more to see them decimated from the political scene. However, with Fanatical Fantasist Farage and his Revolting Reform party on the scene and gaining traction in the polls, I think we have to be a little careful as to what we wish for. Whilst we do not know what will happen on the day of the election, it seems unlikely to me that the LIbDems will gain enough seats to become the official opposition. That means that if the polls are correct, that it is going to be a toss-up between the Tories and Reform.
Yes, I understand that the pollsters and experts are all saying that Reform's popularity will not translate into many seats, I advise caution. What the polls don't tell us is how many people will actually turn up to vote on the day. However, what we can likely assume is that people who support Farage will be very keen to ensure their success and will likely be strong in voter turnout as compared to supporters of other parties. 'Better the devil that you know than the one you don't' as the old proverb says and I still think that having the Tories (preferably the LibDems) as the official opposition is a far better outcome than Starmer having to face Farage at the Despatch Box during PMQs every week. That would give Farage far too much exposure and that will be lethal.
I bet they will get more votes than rejoin eu lol 😂
The only point of Starmer is to destroy the Tory party in Westminster & make the Lib Dems the 2nd biggest party in Parliament . I disagree with him on almost everything else. He's a moderate pragmatic center-grey politician. Most of the time I find him very hard to listen to, but for now we're stuck with him. I hope PR is top priority, it will prevent the Tory party ever getting into government again.
Rejoining is probably 10 - 15 years in the future at best.
Applying to rejoin (which is the only part of the process where UK has any power to make decisions) is at least 10-15 years away. Then the EU and each member state will decide whether, and under what conditions, a Breturn is in *their* best interest.
I hope Streeting loses his seat. He has been bought by the private health care sector.
A used pair of skids could win for Labour against the Tory party at the moment. Starmer is not popular with voters but it's what the voters are stuck with if we want the Tories out.
@@peterholden3672 the preconditions to join the EU have materially changed since Spanish and Portuguese accession in 1986 (before the Euro, before Schengen, before the Lisbon Treaty), and may further change by the time UK decides to apply again.
If and when that happens, the EU and its member states will evaluate if allowing UK back is in *their* best interest. They will no doubt consider the point you raised, as well as other factors such as the prevailing attitude of Brits towards the EU political project, and whether the new generation shares its grandparents’ propensity to demand privileges.
@@peterholden3672 learning from history? Hopefully the EU and its member states have learned the lessons of 40+ years of UK’s reluctant yet entitled membership, ending with years of slander and the not so veiled desire to collapse the EU project,
They would be incompetent and/or masochistic if they just allowed UK back without first ensuring its full commitment to the EU’s political goals.
The EU is under no obligation to save UK from itself again. Especially if a premature Breturn would threaten the European integration process. .
Why do Farmers still love the Tories? Literally the only place I see signs for the Conservatives is in Farmers fields. Including Liz Truss billboard (which has been comically altered) near my in laws.
can't vote for labour either given starmer's statements. if he isnt brave enough to be honest that brexit continues to be a disaster, then he isnt brave enough to get my support.
Already voted for Labour & consider Starmer a caretaker leader. Maybe they'll largely destroy the cons & then backslide into corbynism. OTOH, they may find some spine & begin the arduous task of rejoining. Nothing works for long without a successful & vibrant economy.
Really disappointing that he wants to carry on with this self harm
He knows the UK is out and we in the EU are glad about it. There will not be a whiff of the SM/CU, nevermind rejoining, as long as those British Tax havens are operating and the UK closing down sale is over.
Day one: announce the countries finances are in a much worse state that at any point in the UKs history with figures and the Tory note of such.
Would like to see the Labour Party advertise the impact of brex5h!7 and the CBRE and IFS cost benefits and business efficiencies of joining the single market and customs union.
They can then state the country can continue with the hamstrung brex5h!7 agreements and their impact, or initiate joining the single market and customs union and the financial benefits of doing so.
I would like to see Labour, or you, come up with the relevant EU legislation that permits a 3rd country to become a member of the SM and CU, followed by an actual factual assessment of the realistic options the Uk has.
While you´re t it, don´t mind us not holding our breath ok?
@@ab-ym3bfokay pigeon… I will do that if you can offer me a single EU lead regulation that brex5h!7’s want removed from the UK statute…
@@actuallypaulstanley completely non-related topic, presented in a very childish way. There were times I thought childish whataboutery and deflection was restricted to brexiters, but it seems to be the normal level of debate in the UK.
Never mind, if you have nothing to report I don´t need to revisit this conversation any longer.
@@ab-ym3bf oh pigeon…
@@ab-ym3bf it's worth bearing in mind that the self selected group who choose to chat on these channels is not representative of the people of the UK as a whole. Many sensible and better informed people avoid it like the plague. But ignorance about the SM/CU is still widespread in the UK and often encouraged by presenters of this and similar channels who are basically wishing on a star.
liz , wake up . Starmer wont do anything for you . if anything theyll be worse than the Tories . mostly not for the same reasons but there is some overlap .
I honestly believe that Starmer will begin the process of taking the UK back in to the SM at the very least, but what he should also do is release the Russia report fully, and there should be arrests for fraud for many of those who championed brexit.
To the umpteenth time: You can not simple join the single market. You are an EU member or a member of EFTA (who has after a betrayal a long time ago) said it would not allow the UK in.
You have to fulfill Copenhagen Criteria and article 49.
As easy as that.
There will be no special deals for the UK, and not a membership in the single market without being an EU member.
The UKs wishes are of no importance, the EU decides.
And you just have o follow the rules.
As simple as that.
Since SM rules only permit membership for EU members and privileged access for EFTA members ..... how will Mr Starmer convince the EU to re-write her very own constitution just to do little brexitannia a favour?
I'm waiting 🍿🍿🍿🍿
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
PS no doubt Mr Starmer would also have rewritten the UK's 'constitution' if India demanded it so India could have a 'better trade deal' with the UK? And you no doubt would merrily endorse your constitution to be changed because India demands it?
Innit, little englander?
Edit delete double sentence
@@RealMash Miss Webster is about to beat even BHM in the stupidity department by telling the same nonsense any given day.
That is the problem with brits.
You "honestly believe" instead of base an opinion on the facts in reality.
@@EllieD.Violetwrong, no one will be able to beat BHM on that department.
Ps: after reading through the transcript I think I will have to reconsider my position on this. I managed to get as far as about 2 minutes in.
Starmer needs to grow a pair
Starmer needs to win the election.
It would be great to say that you'll pursue the policies that so many of us want. But if you are in permanent opposition, then you just get a continuation of the last fourteen years.
This will change - I think Labour will prevent billionaires from owning innumerable media outlets, they will give the vote to the 16 to 18 year olds. They will democratise local government making it more accountable so bringing more local involvement.
All of these things, plus the unstoppable decline in newspaper sales, will allow a more informed, less Right-wing country to emerge.
But it won't happen until Labour gets elected. So 'growing a pair' isn't the answer.
@@lellyparkerExactly. He can not implement anything until he is voted into power.
Hopefully Europe will let us in as soon as possible 🙏for the need for peace, friendship and food..
I'm a never leave Europe... Just bonkers to me why anyone would want to leave.... I feel Keir has plan's up his sleeve 🙏
If you want UK back in the EU, you need to work on the main reasons why it originally left: English exceptionalism, and a mercantile view of Europe.
As a EU member, UK kept demanding more and more exceptions to the common rules. The EU unfortunately caved in to Thatcher’s demands, but eventually told Cameron that enough is enough - which triggered the Brexit debacle.
A Breturning UK would need to accept the same rules that apply to everyone else, and share the same political goal of European unity - rather than mere economic self interest.
As of 2024, little brexitannia fails to meet 50% of the EU accession criteria.
How do you think Mr Starmer will fix those within his first term?
The UK in her 47 years of former EEC/EU membership failed to fix them ..... and only was given a pass and 2 blind eyes turned in 1973 because of Ireland.
Well, that was 51 years ago, Ireland is in the EU, the CC don't permit any blind eyes any more .....
Can you explain to me how you 🇬🇧 will make it to the 100%.
I'm waiting 🍿🍿🍿🍿
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
Food is very important-if you didn't get any food for half a day or day you will start to understand.
There are no plans without the EU. The EU has rules, and the UK will not be allowed to cherry pick ever again.
Just follow article 49 and Copenhagen Criteria.
No special treatment for the UK, you behaved in a way that makes it extremely difficult to give any opt outs or special treatment.
So the way is clear, and stop asking for pie in the sky and Unicorns.
You will not get it.
So Starmer can have nothing up its sleeve that would be meaningful in any way.
It simply is not up to the UK to decide to join. That is our, the EUs, decision.
Liz I think you are in the wrong party.
Kier Starmer is clearly saying NO single market, NO custom union, NO free movement
Your obsession with re joining the EU then you back Labour it makes me laugh 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Starmer is a Remainer at heart but he's also a pragmatic politician who can see that Brexit is a toxic subject and understands that trying to join the EU is almost impossibly difficult.
I think your political strategists have identified the bovine as click bait here on your channel. Starmer on Brexit irritates me he’d better be playing a coy game with the Brexit press, the swivel eyed Tory lunatic fringe and the Lexiteers.
UK's Bregretters only look at the self-inflicted damage, but not at the damage inflicted on the EU27's citizens, businesses and taxpayers. It destroyed asset values, livelihoods and business models. It increased the number of refugees in transit to the UK rather than offloaded refugees to the UK.
Peter app so what was the Dublin agreement ? Under the Dublin treaty refugees could be returned to the first eu country they entered !
@@nickryder9669no, that is not what the Dublin agreement says.
@@ab-ym3bf we don’t have one any more Brexit sorry Farages Brexit through it out ! So what did it say ? It said we could return refugees to the first country they entered in the eu ! There were no boats before Brexit ref and under 1300 people from the ref till 2020 when we left the Dublin agreement and the EU !
@@nickryder9669 no, again, that is not what the Dublin agreement says.
Look it up.
@@ab-ym3bf I have so tell me what you think it was ? I will not ask you again !
Keep the faith Liz, reality cannot be denied , and hopefully now we are heading in the right direction
Starmer needs to address the Elephant in the room that is brexit at some point. No freedom of movement, no renegotiation, simple
@breamoreboy Wishful thinking. The UK will be fine once the tory party are gone.
What renegotiation are you on about?
The EU will not renegotiate anything contained in the WA or TCA. Period.
@@ab-ym3bf "No Brexit renegotiation without free movement, warns Barnier
Former deal negotiator insists EU would block ‘cherry-picking’ from single markets, amid Labour’s plan to ease trade restrictions" Daily Telegraph article from last Sunday
@@EAFXtrader "former" being the key.
The EU itself, the ones in power, have said there will be no renegotiation.
The EU parliament has given the commission no mandate to renegotiate the TCA.
Plus given the source of that quote, I doubt the whole context of the discussion in which Barnier made such a remark is given.
Difficult to see how a labour government will significantly improve the situation in the UK without rejoining the single market and customs union.
UK should try a EU associate member state.
Which EU treaties allow for that?
Yes, it should.
Why don´t you go ahead and find the EU legislation for such application while we go on with our lives.
The idea of a multi-tier EU has been shelved for the moment. It's likely to come up again but I'm not optimistic of anything much happening with it.
@@Purple_flower09 It would mean the EU would need to change its treaties, requiring the approval of all members, just to give the UK special treatment (again). Not going to happen for the UK. Maybe for more deserving countries like Moldova, Albania or Bosnia, but not for a country that has been spitting European cooperation in the face for half a century.
@@sambaliwingo delivered with the customary sneer that merely demeans your persona.
Starmer....Red Tory. The problem to fix is Brexit
The latest gift from the EU is a tax on beef, of course it wont apply for UK Farmers but its just been introduced in Denmark. For all you Farmers wishing to rejoin, be careful what you wish for
There is no EU tax on beef pathetic little liar. Brexit Britain, nation of liars, liars and yet more liars.
So 1 EU country using its sovereignty to decide they want to impose a meat tax, a discussion that is going on worldwide btw, and you come here jubilantly lying about an "EU meat tax".
As @sambaliwingo says, Brexit Britain a nation of liars.
You can tell Starmer has become more selfish. He used to say we, we, now he is constantly saying me, me. A taste of power brings out the real person.
Running out of ways to push the Tories?
@teddyboysdontknit810 I loathe the Tories with a vengeance, I see what I see, no matter the party.
@@GV-xx7vh yet you criticise on such an unimportant issue. You should judge him on what he says he will do.
Starmer’s position is utterly untenable.
He knows there can be no recovery until the U.K. renegotiates reentry to CU & SM.
There’s half a billion customers on our doorstep FFS!
If only you ignorant brits started to understand there are no "renegotiations to go back into the sm/cu" possible, you could finally leave lala land and start working to "make brexit work", aka, make the best out of the current situation.
Because that is not going to change anytime soon.
No change with WEF controlled Labour farms will be gone, Reform UK is the only chance you have 👍
Yawn
@@epincionstrange how Reform enthusiasts also seem to be wef conspiracy theory enthusiasts, brexiters and in a lot of cases, covid anti-vaxxers.
@@ab-ym3bfOthers like to categorise people into preconceived boxes, label them what they identify as negative characteristics, just because they have a different view to their own, don't they ?
Do you ever go to Countries in the EU and see the problems there ? its the same as the UK and in some cases a lot worse.
No it isn't. My country wasn't so stupid to erect borders with its nearest neighbours? My country wasn't so stupid to cut itself in two with a Brexit border running right in the middle. My country has a functioning healthcare system. My country is a successful net exporter.
Really strange opinion as I recall you saying you live in Spain, living under the EU regium can’t be all that bad then, Gary!😂
@@sambaliwingo and you're modest and kind as well. Well done you.
Yes, regularly. And no, I do not see similar problems there. Can't be, since the UK is the only country that brexited.
Every country faces its own set of problems. None of them worse than the UK, since none faces the problems of being a 3rd country that has no chance to come back anytime soon even if it wanted to.
@@teddyboysdontknit810 Doesn't mean I agree with the system as many people in Spain dont
The man has been a total disaster and achieved the sum total of sweet fa and deserves to lose his seat to Reform. Vote Reform if you want your country back.
Reform started all this madness with Brexit and what about their love of Putin and private healthcare?
@martin. Even bigger disaster than Tories
@@lizwebstersbf This has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with the globalists failure to protect our borders, exporting the workers jobs, the climate bs and the constant wars, leading us towards WWIII. Farage did not praise Putin, that is fake news and you know it Liz. As for private healthcare, he wants to use the private system to bring down the numbers requiring operations due to the failing nhs. What's the problem with that Liz?
@@badbooks476 I don't think so. The disaster is voting Consocialist or Liebour.
Vote Reform to take back our country from the failed globalists indoctrination.
You want a Putin apologist in parliament alongside Nazi Germany supporters in his party? How very patriotic of you.