Sony Alpha Color: White Balance, Creative Style & Color Space

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024

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  • @AlphaCreativeSkills
    @AlphaCreativeSkills  2 года назад

    Join me on Patreon for the best Alpha Support and Guidance. A single $10 Membership fee includes access to my 500-page camera-specific eBooks, member-only Q&A Forums + Over twenty 1-hour member-only seminars + cameras settings files & access to the Raw files from the lens and camera reviews (there is no contract or commitment beyond the first month). www.patreon.com/markgaler

  • @Moluminary
    @Moluminary Год назад +1

    Wonderful presentation Mark, thank you!

  • @Minoritynomad
    @Minoritynomad 4 года назад +4

    The shift from Canon to Sony was extremely smooth for me except for one thing. The color science. This has helped a LOT. Thank you.

  • @myvideosource66
    @myvideosource66 4 года назад +4

    The thing I learned from watching your tutorials is that there is no right or wrong.
    Thanks so much for your effort!!

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +10

      Happy to help! - I have a problem with photographers who preach 'one way' rather than 'choices'. Education is about understanding your options and then exercising their choice from a position of understanding.

  • @jacquesvandenhoorn4762
    @jacquesvandenhoorn4762 4 года назад +12

    Thank you for the many valuable contributions.
    Your detailed information makes the complexity of the Sony Alpha cameras much more accessible. You are doing a great job!

  • @arielc2010
    @arielc2010 4 года назад +3

    Thank you Mark. One of the best videos about colour management.

  • @mediaflmcreation
    @mediaflmcreation 4 года назад +1

    Searched "How to use exposure comp" ... Finds the master of Sony. I just subscribed.

  • @kjdiya
    @kjdiya 4 года назад +4

    Just jumped ship from Nikon D850 to Nikon Z7 to Sony A7R4 - a big motivation due to your as usual awesome videos, Mark. Hey Sony, please take a note!

    • @mediaflmcreation
      @mediaflmcreation 4 года назад

      Can I se some of that 60mp work? That camera is on my get divorced now list. MUST have it one day lol

  • @marcusdekker
    @marcusdekker 3 года назад +1

    Once, a long, long time a go, there used to be fotocameras that used to have only 3 adjustable functions; apperture, shutterspeed and distance. (yes there was ISO, but it was inherent to the roll of film you put in it and then you had to live with it). All the great photo's we've came to know and love where shot this way. Now i own the Sony A7III. It has 74 pages of menu settings (i counted), on every page 6 options = 444 options!!!!!!! not even counting the submenu's.
    The luxuary of choice....
    ....and we call this progress....

  • @nashhall694
    @nashhall694 4 года назад +7

    Great work Mark, I’ve got everything calibrated & print my own work & it comes out exactly as what I’m seeing on my screen. In regards to Sony skin tones, I set a custom white balance & find it spot on out of camera.😀👍

  • @nhancao4790
    @nhancao4790 2 года назад +1

    Come for the in-camera setting guide, stay for the lightroom tutorials!

  • @thomascoverdale2193
    @thomascoverdale2193 4 года назад +3

    As usual Mark, this was a very helpful video. I plan to watch it again after I adjust settings on my camera and monitor screen. Thanks again, you are worth every schilling of the five bucks!!

  • @theusbadenhorst
    @theusbadenhorst 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing education, thank you!

  • @RMZFILMS59
    @RMZFILMS59 4 года назад +3

    Mark as always great info, thank you!

  • @paulgrech5113
    @paulgrech5113 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for the great tutorial

  • @williambolton5679
    @williambolton5679 Год назад

    I was looking for information on Sony Creative Styles and happened on your channel, Mark, and this video. Good stuff and very well presented! It seems like I'll be doing a significant amount of learning in the near future.

  • @wongmunyoong
    @wongmunyoong 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for the great tutorial. Most informative. Loved it.

  • @michaelauknz
    @michaelauknz 4 года назад

    Hi Mark.. Now about a video on the finer tricks of the trade on fine art printing. My challenge is about a tutorial on the specific processing taking the best image you have and showing the full editing steps on screen with the image and how it is saved to perserve the finest detail into the verious sized for printing it out with the results. Including how to correctly get the best match and calibration of the screen and printer plus the best photo papers to use.

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      That’s sounds like it is more of a mentoring role than a video tutorial - join me on Patreon - www.patreon.com/markgaler

  • @peterhaken7152
    @peterhaken7152 4 года назад +1

    Another great tutorial thanks Mark

  • @wawanbalik
    @wawanbalik 4 года назад +1

    Impressive content as usual Mark and "English, English" gem is a wonderful touch! :)

  • @flol3266
    @flol3266 2 года назад

    Wow. What a great video!

  • @sjsphotog
    @sjsphotog 4 года назад +1

    Top Notch video here as always Mark. You're the best. Definitely a reference vid to keep refering back to over and over again. Keep up all you do for creatives around the world.

  • @harisheknath3085
    @harisheknath3085 2 года назад

    Amazing video.

  • @paololarocca7684
    @paololarocca7684 4 года назад +1

    Great video, thanks!

  • @KennethDillard
    @KennethDillard 4 года назад

    I hope to be able to utilize the same Lightroom principles in Capture One. As always, great information, Mark!

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      It’s more than a year since I used Capture One but there had to be a complicated workaround to enable the software to use a custom profile. Unfortunately there was no way, at this time, to stop capture one from applying noise reduction to ISO 100 images and ramping up sharpening as a starting point (more than double Lightroom’s starting point) without the workaround. Hopefully this has now changed as it is a good piece of software, but if you can’t implement a colour managed workflow it will force photographers who have a colour critical workflow to stay with Adobe.

    • @KennethDillard
      @KennethDillard 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills - I can't say 100% for certain yet. But some are saying that custom profiles can now be loaded easily. If I have any luck, I'll post it.

  • @matrixlee6392
    @matrixlee6392 4 года назад +1

    This is a great video, a question about the XRite Passport thought, don't you need to set different profiles for every different lighting environments?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      You create what is called a dual illuminant profile - take two photos of the passport using different colour temperatures. Remember that this is not a white balance but a profile that characterises the colours.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад

      you dont have to but most have either a Dual Illuminate profile (2 in 1) or make 2 separate ones. One for Daylight and One for Shade or Cloudy depending on what yo shoot. Remember you have to do this for each camera and lens combo and create their own profiles to load into Lightroom. XRite has some great videos on their site that go over creating these profiles

  • @MarakuMusic
    @MarakuMusic 3 года назад +1

    Thanks you very much 🥰

  • @juliamineeva803
    @juliamineeva803 3 года назад +1

    Mark,
    For those cinematographers who simply don't like the aesthetics of even the new Sony Cinetone color science, can you suggest approaches and 3D Luts that will work on the a7siii and the upcoming FX-3 ? In specific, my group is looking for less washed-out and more blue-intensive color gamuts approaching those of Panasonic's V-Log or Fuji's Provia and Astia "looks" (not Eterna). For instance, will the Osiris LUTs work. Thanks RH

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  3 года назад

      This video was about colour accuracy /Colour management and not colour grading. I am also a still expert and not a colour grader for video.

  • @IanWilkinson
    @IanWilkinson 4 года назад +1

    With your white balance adjustments, you describe invoking complimentary colours - are you judging this by eye or achieving it by another method, perhaps somehow involving a separate colour wheel? Asking for a friend :)

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      By eye - I was taught complimentary colours in art class at school.

    • @IanWilkinson
      @IanWilkinson 4 года назад

      Thanks, Mark - I thought so but when you said 'forcing' -complimentary- complementary colours I started questioning the process. I came across this tool from Adobe a while ago, which seems quite interesting -> color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel

  • @dr.sandipmehta973
    @dr.sandipmehta973 4 года назад +2

    Thanks a lot for gr8 tutorial. you mentioned capture one has different starting point compare to lightroom. do they use more capture sharpening and saturation on import?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +2

      More sharpening and a default noise reduction + additional saturation compared to Adobe Standard profile. Martin Evening did an exhaustive test comparing the two programs. His conclusion was neither program was better - just different. This conclusion does have a habit of annoying some Capture One users.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills You can load both programs and put them side to side and then dial in the Lightroom side to look like the Capture one side and then create a preset in Lightroom so it matches. I think others on the internet already have recipes dialed in if you look for it

  • @George-iy8dd
    @George-iy8dd 2 года назад

    Excellent and useful video Mark, thank you. I have a question though regarding creative style. When shooting a studio portrait, I necessarily need to turn off the live view setting display. If I do this, then my camera won't let me see the image on screen in black and white. Any way around this?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  2 года назад

      There is no way around this. When Live View Display is turned off the camera is behaving more like a DSLR with none of the nice things we love about mirrorless being able to preview exposure, depth of field and creative Style and DRO settings.

  • @paulscottfilms
    @paulscottfilms 4 года назад

    Yes, my monitor will not come up to Adobe RGB. Swapping between my laptops is utterly scary. I am interested to know what kind of printer you have Mark. My Canon A3 printer leaves much to be desired, but I just couldn't face the cost of those 6 and 8 cartridge Printers. I have photoshop screen back about one stop from the laptop to get the prints about right. It's hairy. I haven't been able to get accustomed to Lightroom since we use Bridge to send photos for stitching and sending to photoshop layers all the time.

  • @paulcollingridge8387
    @paulcollingridge8387 4 года назад +1

    Kept my grey cards from my film days..... Significantly easier to correct in lightroom than in the darkroom

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      Grey cards will do but they are a measure of exposure (18% reflectance) and not white balance - some grey cards are not absolutely grey.

    • @paulscottfilms
      @paulscottfilms 4 года назад

      haha that's great, I lost mine , I made a 25% grey photo, then I thought it was too goofy, Do you remember doing pre-exposure to lower the contrast on the negative?.

    • @paulscottfilms
      @paulscottfilms 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills But surely they still have no colour except the general reflection. When I use white cards, it seems ok,

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад

      There is also a great cool thing called a Whi-Bal card that you can clip to your camera or camera bag

  • @terryvitanza28
    @terryvitanza28 4 года назад +1

    Great tutorial again Mark! Thank you! Just a quick question. I don't print much and photos are mostly going to be seen by people on their smartphones or non calibrated screens. Knowing this, would it be better to put my Sony A7R3 on sRGB instead of AdobeRGB?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      So you shoot Jpeg?

    • @terryvitanza28
      @terryvitanza28 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills No, only Raw.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад +1

      @@terryvitanza28 Use the Adobe RGB if you edit RAW in Lightroom. if only shooting JPG and not editing in Lr then you could use sRGB for just quick snaps. but if you shoot RAW and post process why not give your camera the BIGGEST full data you can. always best to go from biggest and you can throw away data later on export but its impossible to go the other way

  • @paullesliehutson5818
    @paullesliehutson5818 4 года назад +1

    Very informative. Thank You. I shoot Raw and use Adobe RGB in camera. Adobe Lightroom offers the still bigger colour space ProphotoRGB. Is there any point in using that if my Sony camera has already restricted the colour information to Adobe RGB?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +3

      Setting the Color Space on the camera will not impact the Raw file - the Color Space in Lightroom is called Melissa RGB - ProPhoto is an export space. Don’t use it until you have researched and fully understand the pros and cons.

    • @paullesliehutson5818
      @paullesliehutson5818 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills Thank You very much for taking the time to answer my question Mark

  • @markbaily7828
    @markbaily7828 4 года назад +1

    Thank you Mark this was so informative... Is the profile you created for the a9 available anywhere to download. I shoot with a a7iii but would love a good solid starting point. Many thanks

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      I can share my profiles but it may be no more accurate than the one Sony provided to Adobe - this is due to the variance in all devices - printers, monitors and cameras. I have always recommended a group of friends or a camera club to invest in one calibration device and the share it around. For a few dollars each everyone can enjoy a colour managed workflow.

    • @markbaily7828
      @markbaily7828 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills agh ok. Really trying to spend time in this lock down getting a better starting point and lately just can't get a good starting point and my colours just seem to be all over the place. I'm using a mac book air 2015ish model. If you do have a a7iii starting profile I'd love to give it a try just to put along side my edits so I can see where I'm over saturating skin etc

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      Any colour changes you make on your Mac might all be for nought if you have not profiled your screen first. I share most of my files and resources via Patreon and the RUclips Paid Membership. You will see a join button below every movie.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад

      create your own camera profile. EVERY camera and lens combo is slightly different.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 4 года назад

      @@markbaily7828 You need to get an Xrite i1 Profiler. best $150 bucks you can spend to get accurate color.

  • @dmystify1381
    @dmystify1381 4 года назад

    Hi Mark...really appreciate the huge effort you put into making these tutes.....i know it takes hours to do.....i seek clarification on something.....at the 7:10 mark...you show srgb & adobe rgb....the differences in saturation/one could be forgiven thinking that the adobe rgb is in fact..at the end of the day...sharper......so...if i change my in camera to adobe rgb...then...upload said files to my program/affinity photo which is irrelevant...change my settings in the software to adobe rgb.....develop to end product of jpg......then upload to the web.....would that mean that the saturation would now become 'mushy'...'unsharp'...as it would end up on the web as an srgb file...?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      The camera’s Color Space Settings are important if you are shooting JPEGs. The color space of an editing program working with Raw files will be bigger than Adobe RGB. Exporting to sRGB is your challenge. Soft proofing allows you to monitor which colours are a potential problem and then give you the opportunity to edit these colours so they don’t loose precious detail. This is the subject of another tutorial. Join me on Patreon if you want to discuss this further.

  • @philipjabenton
    @philipjabenton 4 года назад

    Mark, when using the color checker passport, do you need to create profiles for different lighting conditions? I.e would you create one for every shoot you do? Or one for studio, one for bright sunlight, one for an overcast day, etc?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      You create a single dual illuminant profile - download my free Colour Management PDF or discuss this with me on my Patreon support group.

    • @philipjabenton
      @philipjabenton 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills Thanks I'll check it out.

  • @billx4266
    @billx4266 4 года назад

    Hi Mark, why dont you use capture one? Its also prefered by sony themselves.... they even made a sony version for free....

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      I have to use Photoshop in my commercial work so I already have Lightroom. I also use the non-destructive workflow of opening Raw files as smart objects into Photoshop from Lightroom. Capture One is great but has been proven in extensive testing to be no better or worse than Lightroom at demosaicing the Raw data. I am also interested in using the Cloud workflows so I can edit on my tablet or phone when I am away from my studio.

  • @kostis6
    @kostis6 4 года назад

    Awesome thanks! I have a question if you don’t mind. Say I choose gamma "still" and color mode "pro" on my Sony camera. Do I have to convert this profile to rec709 or should I just import it to davinci and start color correcting and a bit of grading? Thanks 😊

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      If I recorded a video using a picture profile I would apply a corresponding LUT in Premiere Pro.

    • @kostis6
      @kostis6 4 года назад

      Thank you 😊

  • @sebastianstudzinski104
    @sebastianstudzinski104 7 месяцев назад

    Hi, Did you make the Sony profile using Color Check Passport witch the Sony profile set to Neutral or Standard?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  7 месяцев назад

      It doesn't make any difference as the camera's color settings are ignored when the profile is created using Raw files.

    • @sebastianstudzinski104
      @sebastianstudzinski104 7 месяцев назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills When you take portrait photos, which profile gives you a nicer skin color: neutral or standard? Similarly, which profile do you set for landscape photos?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  7 месяцев назад

      I shoot Raw so none of these camera settings make a difference - I create custom Raw camera profiles for my Sony cameras using an xRite color passport. These get assigned in Lightroom rather than the camera. You get personal photographic guidance on my Patreon.com/markgaler Alpha support channel. As well as being a photographer for 40 years I was also a senior lecturer in photography for 15 years specialising in online education and emerging technologies.

  • @SamSilk
    @SamSilk 3 года назад

    How would you do in Lightroom to bake a color profile for a specific type of analog film from a color checker without losing the specific look and color shifts of said film?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  3 года назад +1

      You have to profile the scanning device and not the film.

    • @SamSilk
      @SamSilk 3 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills makes sense thank you!!!!

  • @sebastianstudzinski104
    @sebastianstudzinski104 11 месяцев назад

    Can you tell me how to make a sony a7rm3a profile for lightroom? Is it possible to buy or download a ready-made Sony a7rm3a profile for Lightroom somewhere?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  11 месяцев назад

      Every device requires a unique color profile - software companies use generic or ‘canned’ profiles. XRite sell a Color Passport that is capable of creating a unique profile

    • @sebastianstudzinski104
      @sebastianstudzinski104 8 месяцев назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills What is the best temperature to profile Sony A7riii with Colorchecker passport2 for landscape photos?

  • @LifeSurfingDude
    @LifeSurfingDude 4 года назад

    Mark, when it comes to shooting video on Sony A9, is it important to set color gamut to AdobeRGB?

  • @IsaacRC
    @IsaacRC 4 года назад

    Very interesting, thanks for the video class. I do find better colours with Sony's own software Edit (maintains also the Picture Profiles settings in RAW) very useful to quickly pick/discard the good shots for my work which photography isn't the actual profession (but the communicative media to sell it) so for me rigorous calibrations are unpractical. Still Lightroom is in terms of workability a much more reliable tool compared to Sony's Edit but sometimes end up Importing 16-bit TIFFs from Edit to avoid an endless fight with colours in Lr.

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад +1

      Creating accurate profiles can be a one-time set and forget procedure. You can’t really assess or edit colour until you have at least profiled your monitor.

    • @IsaacRC
      @IsaacRC 4 года назад

      ​@@AlphaCreativeSkills Thanks for the advice, it's really way out of my specialisation to invest on it for now, I find very reliable that Sony already provides it's own beautiful color profile with RAWs in Edit, would be wonderful if those Sony in-camera profiles were exportable to Lightroom say an Slog2 for example.

  • @terryvitanza28
    @terryvitanza28 4 года назад

    Maybe I misunderstood but if I use AdobeRGB on the camera, do the post processing in LR with AdobeRGB but then convert the raw processed file into a sRGB jpeg file will it supress some colors or details with this conversion?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      Too big a question for a quick answer - download my free Colour Management eBook from my website if you want to master this subject. Color Space selection on the camera does not impact on the Raw file.

  • @AbdullahAlQadeeriequinekw
    @AbdullahAlQadeeriequinekw 4 года назад

    My mentor help me! The display of shutter speed on my a9ii is just number not 1/*** ! I don’t know what I did wrong! I went through all menu tabs I even discovered nice stuff 🤣, but my problem remains! How to change the shutter display on screen from just numbers to / ?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      Can you share a screenshot of the back of your camera? The Exposure Set Guide (if switched on) shows the shutter speed without the 1/ but it is still listed at the bottom of the screen with the 1/ before the number.

  • @sfiron
    @sfiron Год назад

    Sony custom white balance does not work in memory mode?! Why? Anyone has any idea?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  Год назад

      This has always been the case. It is only recently that a White Balance preset could be incorporated into a registered memory. Sony do not make statements about their firmware decisions.

  • @torbjornolsson4851
    @torbjornolsson4851 4 года назад

    White Balance set to daylight gives you 5050 K in Sony A7RIII but in LR daylight is 5500K. Can you tell the difference?

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      The presets can be adjusted as shown in one of the slides in the presentation - if you want to make the preset warmer just scroll to the right and move the AB axis two or three clicks to the right - each 0.5 increment adds 150K to the colour temperature. Join me on Patreon or as a Paid Member if you want to discuss Alpha cameras at length.

    • @torbjornolsson4851
      @torbjornolsson4851 4 года назад

      @@AlphaCreativeSkills I thought daylight had a fixed value.

  • @dennisvanderben2719
    @dennisvanderben2719 3 года назад

    Realized I've been shooting a year in sRGB....

  • @sergioyoneda
    @sergioyoneda 4 года назад

    Please add brazilian portuguese subtitles!

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      Anybody can add subtitles to one of my videos. Maybe Sony in Brazil can add subtitles to my videos as I don't speak Portuguese.

    • @sergioyoneda
      @sergioyoneda 4 года назад

      Thanks for answering me. Congratulations on the channel. Very good job.

  • @rogeryoung3587
    @rogeryoung3587 4 года назад

    Please watch out for those plosives with that microphone.

    • @AlphaCreativeSkills
      @AlphaCreativeSkills  4 года назад

      Yep - microphone was a bit hot this time Having to switch between many online apps during this COVIDSafe period to scratch a living.

    • @rogeryoung3587
      @rogeryoung3587 4 года назад

      Fingers crossed it won't be for much longer. Your efforts are much appreciated. Stay safe :)