The free agent market was ridiculous this year. Players in their mid 30's getting multi year deals at or over 6 mill per year (some at 8+ mil) is great for the player and incredibly dumb for the organization. Sure, Nashville got better this year and maybe next, but by year 3 of the Stamkos(4 x 8mil), Skjei (7 x 7 mil), Marchessault (5 x 5.5 mil) deals they are in cap hell with aging players. I'm perfectly happy with how Yzerman filled holes in free agency but didn't kill the cap for the future with aging superstars like Stammer. The Wings have gotten better every single year under Yzerman and we have our own budding superstars. So he didn't make a splash in free agency, so what...it's not 1999 anymore and you win through the draft not free agency. The Wings prospect pool is top tier and very soon, we will see the vision of the Yzerplan produce.
This season was a great year to be an FA. That $ is gone now, it’ll be tighter next season. Some of those contracts are gonna be made right away or in a couple years
while i agree paying mid aged 30yr old players is not smart, youre wrong saying theyll be in cap hell. If we assume the cap increases $3+mil year over year, the preds will be fine within their cap structure and those contracts wont seem as expensive by the tail end of them when payers like marner and draisaitl most likely getting $13-$15+mil
@@DegenRedWingFan maybe not complete cap hell, but teams are definitely going to regret some of these long term contracts at high $$...Skjei at 7 mil for 7 years...yikes.
@@davidkruse4030 Larkin when healthy is a point per game player or more and drives the team. Raymond is only 22 years old and is mimicking the trajectory of Kucherov. Seider is already a stud defenseman, and Axel Sandin Pellikka has the talent to be great. I could also throw names like Berggren, Edvinsson, Brandsegg-Nygård, Kasper and Nate Danielson. I'll take this future.
The Atlantic was really really bad? What are you talking about? Bottom end of Atlantic was 76 points, others were 66 for metro, 52 for central, 47 Pacific, total points? Lets see, 678 points for the Pacific, 732 for the Metro, 737 for the Central, 748 for the Atlantic, other then the cut off on the east being 91 points (which is more because there was less feeder teams) in what possible way was the Atlantic "very very bad"
I think people put far too much emphasis on the Walman trade. While it was a little weird, trading Walman opened a spot. Honing in on that specific move is just as weird as, if not weirder than, the idea that the Wings could be buyers/sellers without having played a single game yet. I get it, people crave content, and writers crave readers, but even the mere suggestion that the team will be sellers on 6 March 2025 is kinda insane. Let's all just cool our collective jets and look at how the roster shakes out during camp and preseason.
Last year the wings fell asleep 3 times for 10 game stretches and still almost made the playoffs. If they avoid that they make the playoff by a mile, so to me we are in good shape....
Without the prospects stepping up it's hard to see the Wings finishing better than last year. The offense lost too many contributors and defense is just as bad. Best case I could see them finishing 4th and worst at 7th.
Wings are my favorite team, so I may be a bit biased, but I think they'll be in the 7-10 range in the East. I'd feel a lot more confident in this team if they enhanced their right D. I mean, it's looking like Petry is going to be on second pair, and that's a disaster. I'm also not thrilled about their goaltending. None of their goalies scream "playoffs" to me. I'd actually like them to sell off some of the pieces, Copp, Veleno, the entire defense from last year except Seider, Edvinsson, and maybe Chiarot as long as he's not on the top line, and Husso. I just don't see us getting anything for those guys. Like, they could be sellers, but I don't see anyone buying what we're selling.
Walman wasn’t some solid d-man. He had a bit of an offensive edge to his game but his defense was pretty bad. Something internal must of happened to send him off and scratch him at end of last year
Not sure how people love having Kane and Senko. They aren't good. Gigantic defensive liabilities on an already very challenged defensive team. DeBrincat is terrible. Larkin is mid. We are probably a lottery team this year.
Hopefully selling won’t be an option come trade deadline time. But if it is, won’t hurt us to dump a contract or 2 before 2025-2026 season and have lots of capital and a decent base to finally make a move
don't forget detroit has future considerations coming. detroit may TRADE a couple of players or detroit may end up moving cap space one way or another, or steve may end up with a draft pick in the next year or two. there's a plethora of options at hand to make the walman trade a winner for detroit in the not too distant future. think about it.
I think Yzerman is going to be a seller but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think someone is going to force their way onto the roster and he's going to try to offload one or two expiring contracts. I don't expect him to sell anything of value.
I don't think I'm worried necessarily about the upcoming season but the fact is our gm traded a fan favorite on a good contract away for nothing in return and then after losing walman and ghost they're replaced with Edvinson and Gus. And then we signed another 35 year old goalie but to two years. Yzerman is great at drafting and has done well overall rebuilding but 3 fa he's made at least one massive mistake. Chiarot and holl signings and then signing so much depth in fa that there's no real room for any of the draft picks to push for nhl jobs. I think we should trust the process but also it's been almost 10 years since the wings have seen the playoffs and yzerman is going into his 6th year it's time to see more than improvement it's time to go back to the playoffs and start working towards contending for a cup in the coming seasons. So we better finish with more than 92 points otherwise I think then we start having different convos
The Atlantic division was very very bad? Is that because the 4th team in the division only scored 98 points? Maybe because they only had 1 Stanley Cup champion in the division last year?
I think the Trouba no trade answers a lot of the why Whalman talk and that writer gives it no credit in his thought process. Honestly think the Gustavsson move makes it a friendly face if they can get Trouba thru the door next season
WELL, nobody will be 'Griddy' dancing this year at Red Wings games I guarantee it. Also he felt he gave the coach a competitive team last year and the coaching staff failed at organizing team defensive play. SO, he is giving them a similar team again this year with the directive to button up defense. It's not hard to understand. Step back and look at the bigger picture with an unbiased view.
I'm kinda wishin they move Bergren. I think yes, too long in the system. Shoulda been playin the big game by now. I think maybe we burned a bridge with him. Would like to see him in a full season, anywhere. He might still be a good asset to move for?🤔...
The walman trade sounded extreme at first. Didn’t make sense. Why were they so desperate that they had to give a pick. There has to be a reason. A reason we will probably find out at the end of next season in San Jose
I think it was just the result of poor asset management. Yzerman needed that money freed up badly. I doubt walman gets traded in that fashion if you don’t have Petry and Holl on the roster
@@DONWASABIJUAN I think it’s something else personally. They did need the cap. And I would agree if walman was right handed. I think it’s more attitude and locker room related.
I really think Detroit should trade for Rutger Mcgroarty. His whole recorded hockey career is in Michigan and is an Yzerman type player. Berggren plus whatever else will get it done. Tell Mcgroarty.. You think you can make the NHL team. There's one spot. But it's either for you, Danielson Kasper or Mazur.. If you can't outperform them, you are in the AHL.
Without the prospects stepping up it's hard to see the Wings finishing better than last year. The offense lost too many contributors and defense is just as bad. Best case I could see them finishing 4th and worst at 7th.
I want to ask you question ? I disagree with this situation that will sell Kane is very nice positive deal trade peace and create opticals we could keep his own retain his Salary cap & draft could make sense Toronto is perfect fit solution their.
The free agent market was ridiculous this year. Players in their mid 30's getting multi year deals at or over 6 mill per year (some at 8+ mil) is great for the player and incredibly dumb for the organization. Sure, Nashville got better this year and maybe next, but by year 3 of the Stamkos(4 x 8mil), Skjei (7 x 7 mil), Marchessault (5 x 5.5 mil) deals they are in cap hell with aging players. I'm perfectly happy with how Yzerman filled holes in free agency but didn't kill the cap for the future with aging superstars like Stammer. The Wings have gotten better every single year under Yzerman and we have our own budding superstars. So he didn't make a splash in free agency, so what...it's not 1999 anymore and you win through the draft not free agency. The Wings prospect pool is top tier and very soon, we will see the vision of the Yzerplan produce.
This season was a great year to be an FA. That $ is gone now, it’ll be tighter next season. Some of those contracts are gonna be made right away or in a couple years
while i agree paying mid aged 30yr old players is not smart, youre wrong saying theyll be in cap hell. If we assume the cap increases $3+mil year over year, the preds will be fine within their cap structure and those contracts wont seem as expensive by the tail end of them when payers like marner and draisaitl most likely getting $13-$15+mil
@@DegenRedWingFan maybe not complete cap hell, but teams are definitely going to regret some of these long term contracts at high $$...Skjei at 7 mil for 7 years...yikes.
Who will be the wings superstars!
@@davidkruse4030 Larkin when healthy is a point per game player or more and drives the team. Raymond is only 22 years old and is mimicking the trajectory of Kucherov. Seider is already a stud defenseman, and Axel Sandin Pellikka has the talent to be great. I could also throw names like Berggren, Edvinsson, Brandsegg-Nygård, Kasper and Nate Danielson. I'll take this future.
The Atlantic was really really bad? What are you talking about? Bottom end of Atlantic was 76 points, others were 66 for metro, 52 for central, 47 Pacific, total points? Lets see, 678 points for the Pacific, 732 for the Metro, 737 for the Central, 748 for the Atlantic, other then the cut off on the east being 91 points (which is more because there was less feeder teams) in what possible way was the Atlantic "very very bad"
I think people put far too much emphasis on the Walman trade. While it was a little weird, trading Walman opened a spot. Honing in on that specific move is just as weird as, if not weirder than, the idea that the Wings could be buyers/sellers without having played a single game yet. I get it, people crave content, and writers crave readers, but even the mere suggestion that the team will be sellers on 6 March 2025 is kinda insane. Let's all just cool our collective jets and look at how the roster shakes out during camp and preseason.
Last year the wings fell asleep 3 times for 10 game stretches and still almost made the playoffs. If they avoid that they make the playoff by a mile, so to me we are in good shape....
Without the prospects stepping up it's hard to see the Wings finishing better than last year. The offense lost too many contributors and defense is just as bad. Best case I could see them finishing 4th and worst at 7th.
Wings are my favorite team, so I may be a bit biased, but I think they'll be in the 7-10 range in the East. I'd feel a lot more confident in this team if they enhanced their right D. I mean, it's looking like Petry is going to be on second pair, and that's a disaster. I'm also not thrilled about their goaltending. None of their goalies scream "playoffs" to me. I'd actually like them to sell off some of the pieces, Copp, Veleno, the entire defense from last year except Seider, Edvinsson, and maybe Chiarot as long as he's not on the top line, and Husso. I just don't see us getting anything for those guys. Like, they could be sellers, but I don't see anyone buying what we're selling.
It doesn’t mean they are gonna be sellers it means he’s selling the idea that the wings will be better than last year
Yeah, I thought the headline was a take on buying/selling stocks but applying the analogy to nhl teams
Walman wasn’t some solid d-man. He had a bit of an offensive edge to his game but his defense was pretty bad.
Something internal must of happened to send him off and scratch him at end of last year
We don’t have the roster spot for walman because we can’t move holl or petry why walman didn’t have any trade value is the real question
Good job
Not sure how people love having Kane and Senko. They aren't good. Gigantic defensive liabilities on an already very challenged defensive team. DeBrincat is terrible. Larkin is mid. We are probably a lottery team this year.
wallman trade was preperation for an other trade that didnt went as planned.
That’s not even confirmed, and that money was still used for vlad
Atlantic Division Bad, Florida, Boston, Toronto and Tampa?
Hopefully selling won’t be an option come trade deadline time. But if it is, won’t hurt us to dump a contract or 2 before 2025-2026 season and have lots of capital and a decent base to finally make a move
don't forget detroit has future considerations coming. detroit may TRADE a couple of players or detroit may end up moving cap space one way or another, or steve may end up with a draft pick in the next year or two. there's a plethora of options at hand to make the walman trade a winner for detroit in the not too distant future. think about it.
I think Yzerman is going to be a seller but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think someone is going to force their way onto the roster and he's going to try to offload one or two expiring contracts. I don't expect him to sell anything of value.
I don't think I'm worried necessarily about the upcoming season but the fact is our gm traded a fan favorite on a good contract away for nothing in return and then after losing walman and ghost they're replaced with Edvinson and Gus. And then we signed another 35 year old goalie but to two years. Yzerman is great at drafting and has done well overall rebuilding but 3 fa he's made at least one massive mistake. Chiarot and holl signings and then signing so much depth in fa that there's no real room for any of the draft picks to push for nhl jobs. I think we should trust the process but also it's been almost 10 years since the wings have seen the playoffs and yzerman is going into his 6th year it's time to see more than improvement it's time to go back to the playoffs and start working towards contending for a cup in the coming seasons. So we better finish with more than 92 points otherwise I think then we start having different convos
The Atlantic division was very very bad? Is that because the 4th team in the division only scored 98 points? Maybe because they only had 1 Stanley Cup champion in the division last year?
I think red wings finish 3rd in the division and 5th in the East
How was the bottom half of the atlantic "trash"?
I think the Trouba no trade answers a lot of the why Whalman talk and that writer gives it no credit in his thought process. Honestly think the Gustavsson move makes it a friendly face if they can get Trouba thru the door next season
WELL, nobody will be 'Griddy' dancing this year at Red Wings games I guarantee it. Also he felt he gave the coach a competitive team last year and the coaching staff failed at organizing team defensive play. SO, he is giving them a similar team again this year with the directive to button up defense. It's not hard to understand. Step back and look at the bigger picture with an unbiased view.
Lol what the atlantic was a bloodbath and will be even more so this year
Who else would he sell for
When else if according to sell those players partner between Toronto & Detroit tradeline would make perfect Sense to create different direction.
I'm kinda wishin they move Bergren. I think yes, too long in the system. Shoulda been playin the big game by now. I think maybe we burned a bridge with him. Would like to see him in a full season, anywhere. He might still be a good asset to move for?🤔...
they keep berggren, keep him in the ahl, sign him. sometime soon he's one of the first 2 to be called up and he sticks.
I wonder if they traded Walman away in anticipation of a trade for trouba
No, I think it was more about trying to either sign Stamkos or Marchessault.
wishy washy article
The walman trade sounded extreme at first. Didn’t make sense. Why were they so desperate that they had to give a pick. There has to be a reason. A reason we will probably find out at the end of next season in San Jose
I think it was just the result of poor asset management. Yzerman needed that money freed up badly. I doubt walman gets traded in that fashion if you don’t have Petry and Holl on the roster
@@DONWASABIJUAN I think it’s something else personally. They did need the cap. And I would agree if walman was right handed. I think it’s more attitude and locker room related.
@@jackconrad2667 And Yzerman doesn't like showboats. He likes hard working serious competitive team first players. He doesn't like 'Griddy' dancers.
No toughness. No grit. Team will be pushed around all season.
@@williamaaron8177 no more so then last year.
I really think Detroit should trade for Rutger Mcgroarty. His whole recorded hockey career is in Michigan and is an Yzerman type player.
Berggren plus whatever else will get it done.
Tell Mcgroarty.. You think you can make the NHL team. There's one spot. But it's either for you, Danielson Kasper or Mazur.. If you can't outperform them, you are in the AHL.
Berggren and our first. Good winger. Has some size and grit
Without the prospects stepping up it's hard to see the Wings finishing better than last year. The offense lost too many contributors and defense is just as bad. Best case I could see them finishing 4th and worst at 7th.
They will sell. Kane is a nice trade piece and we could retain his salary for draft capital.
I want to ask you question ? I disagree with this situation that will sell Kane is very nice positive deal trade peace and create opticals we could keep his own retain his Salary cap & draft could make sense Toronto is perfect fit solution their.