Russell Wilson, let Justin Fields sit needs to sit and learn, but the problem is is that they don’t have enough on the offensive end to compete within their own division on a consistent basis. They’re putting so much pressure on that defense to make plays. It’s not even funny they need to get at least another receiverthat could take the top off of a defense and their runner back room needs a complete overhaul.
Mike Tomlin is just NFL Doc Rivers at this point. What is the point of going positive every year if you lose in the first round of playoffs? Do you know the definition of Insanity?
@@IchigoKurosaki0715 Bills never won anything yet Doc rivers is still getting hired because a championship he won back in 2008 and everytime he gets in the playoffs he consistently loses terribly
As a huge Steelers fan (since 2011), I am so over this every single season. I seriously expect it every year. My friends at college kept telling me: “Dude, you guys are 9-3, you guys are legit.” I told them every single week. 10-7, first round exit. Every week I told them. It is exactly what ended up happening. I have 0 faith in this team. This is seriously just the worst.
Philly fan here, my dad is a Steelers fan so I always watched the Steelers secondly. There has been so much talent around that team consistently since at least 2015 (excluding years with Kenny Pickett) with WR QB and defense. There is almost 0 reason as to why that team shouldn’t be at least heading to a championship every year. Tomlin has to go
Have you seen your team win a Super Bowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you are in a position 90% of football fans will never know. I hope they fire Tomlin and then get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Ungrateful fuck.
Have you seen your team win a superbowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you have a feeling and a memory 90% of football fans will never know. I hope if they actually do have the audacity to fire Tomlin that they get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Would be gold. You think things are bad now? Wait until your team is so bad they start getting accused of tanking, lol. “This is seriously just the worst” This is a “seriously” out of touch take… guess 18 seasons of winning football will do that to a fan base.
*Cause they’re black. No other reason to compare n what about these other coaches who haven’t done shit? Where’s the energy for them or darnold or herbert? Y’all think him bein black is the only reason he’s liked n I think thats also the same reason he disliked.. n that comparison alone proved that..*
@@sloppnbiscuiitz ok, what about white Rick Carlisle? won 1 chip with the mavs in 2011, decidedly mid before and after, and he is definitely a "player's coach" or white Jim Leyland? won 1 WS, was barely a .500 manager but players loved him, even Barry Bonds (who was notoriously prickly) loved playing for Leyland because behind closed doors he let Barry do whatever he wanted. both guys coached for 20+ years, one ring and middling success (other than the ring)
As a Ravens fan I think Tomlin ia the only reason the steelers haven't missed the play-offs 5 years in a row.... IK one and does are frustrating but I think Pittsburg fans are in for a rude awakening if they let him go
I respectfully disagree. I think their consistency comes from the organizational structure and front office. He has kept them afloat, sure, but I think they could benefit tremendously from a coaching change.
That’s not a good excuse not to get rid of him, and to act like this roster isn’t good and that no other coach can coach the Steelers is crazy. Mike Tomlin is not the only good coach in the league… it’s time for a change in order to go from good to great you need to take a risk. You need to take a step back and take a look around before you can take multiple steps forward
The Steelers have been doing the same song and dance for 5 years now. They have mid to below average QB play with a great defense that’s able to carry them to a barely above .500 record or gets them barely into the playoffs where they get blasted in the wildcard round. Where they lose to a better a team or lose to a better team with an elite QB highlighting the glaring difference between their QB and their opponents QB. They are not going far into the playoffs until they get QB that can actually hang with the superhuman AFC QB’s of Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, and Burrow
@@Anonymous0.019 exactly. So, I say we should draft one of the best talents at the position available, not just because it’s a position of need. QB play is gonna depend on receivers getting open and lineman blocking. We invested a lot into lineman, so we should bolster our wide receiver room with guys that can run routes and get separation. Running back too
@@Anonymous0.019 I agree as well should’ve also mentioned that in my earlier comment. It feels like the Steelers are years behind where the current NFL landscape is when it comes to QB and WR. They need to go draft Luther Burden if he’s somehow available at their pick or draft Emeka Egbuka which is the more realistic option. In order to pair someone next to George Pickens than they can go give the ball to and that can make splash plays
@@fortniteburger8747 While Burrow’s team couldn’t hang mainly their defense Burrow just had the best season of his career and is only at the start of his prime which the Steelers have to deal with him for the next 10+ years
So many Steelers fans act like Tomlin is blameless, it blows my mind. Yes not every loss is entirely his fault, but when the last 6 straight playoff games are over at half time for a supposed "defensive guru" with the highest paid defense in the league is unacceptable. it's fine to not win the superbowl, that's hard, but when you can't even look competitive in any playoff game then it's a problem
@@MultiBearsfan54how about you suck for a year or 2 to try and get some good draft capital, get a good Qb and maybe build something. While it is impressive to never have a losing record in 18 seasons, it’s still incredibly pointless if you’re just going to get steamrolled in the first round of the playoffs and since you had that barely over .500 record then it just keeps you at mediocrity.
Mediocrity isn't rewarded or fixed- it's just accepted. If the Steelers want out of this rut, I think it'll require some kind of major leadership change.
Bringing in Aaron Rodgers would be Tomlin literally waiving the white flag and basically begging the Rooney’s to fire him. At minimum, it’d make Pat McAfee and his crew jizz all over their studio
@@russellseilhamer4552 Their D alone will make sure that doesn't happen. If they want to go that route then they need to start the trading now and being with Watt.
@@russellseilhamer4552that might be the only benefit of Rodgers…unless Pickens returns and they have two locker room cancers and Aaron can get George hooked on ayahuasca then that’s another benefit
During the prime Killer B era (Big Ben, AB, Bell, & Boswell) our offense would always miss one of these players. Le’veon got hurt and missed the majority of the 2015 season and tail end of the 2016 season. The concussion that has gifted us with CTESPN came in the 2015 playoffs also left us without AB for the next game against the Broncos. Then Bell holds out and does nothing with the Jets, Ben rants on a radio show and AB dips out (but not quite like his retirement announcement) and that’s the end of an era circa 2018. Another point is that many of the draft picks used between 2018 and 2022 have not been guys and most of the guys are out of the league or bounced around different practice squads. What we need to do better at (and the 2023 and 2024 drafts give me hope) is identifying talent wherever we are picking. We got TJ with the 30th overall, so it’s not impossible. But what I don’t like is going for the nepotism picks (Porter, Hayward, Watt, Herbig, Edmunds). Like who thought Connor Hayward, who is a 6’0” Tight End was a deserving pick. On the other hand, not a lot talent existed in the 2022 draft anyway.
@ well if we look at the pro-bowl and all-pro selections, it was pretty consistent up until 2020. 2021 and onwards it’s only been TJ, Cam, and Minkah that’s gotten the nod (generally, Miles Killebrew and Najee got kudos at times too). So, I think this furthers my point that not drafting/signing replacements to players like Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, and truly having superstar wideouts to replace AB have cost us these games when it matters. And it’s not from lack of trying but sometimes this team sticks with players too long just to do their due diligence and by the time they make a decision the price has been paid and it’s a winning season in the process haha.
@@BobBob-eb4io You’re correct. And that’s why I didn’t say he was a mistake. But my point is, did we draft him because he was the best OLB available or because we just signed his older bro Nate that very same offseason?
My thing is since 2020, the start of the new decade. Pittsburgh has changed QB multiple times, changed general manager changed Defensive Coordinators, changed Offensive Coordinators, changed Offensive and defensive players. The only constant factor these past 5 seasons has been Mike Tomlin being the head coach in Pittsburgh. Yet despite all these changes, the result every year in Pittsburgh is the same which is either a 9 or 10 win season with a wildcard playoff lose or not making the playoffs. I don’t understand people can look at all these changes on the team, see the HC position, Mike Tomlin, is the only thing that hasn’t changed and say he isn’t the problem or that it would be a mistake for Pittsburgh to move off of him. He’s been the only thing that has been the same the past 5 years and the team’s results have been the same.
It’s not been an issue that’s only gone on the last 5 years, it’s been one since their last SB appearance. Every season there’s always a massive hole somewhere due to bad coaching hire and overpaid underperforming contracts. We usually keep very subpar coordinators for way too long and try to run schemes that just don’t adapt to today’s game. Once we lost Big Ben, who was carrying the team offensively from his magician type play style, the wheels finally came off and Tomlin has been exposed as a great developer of talent/recruiter but an awful schemer/play caller. He’s been the issue for a long time and the first sign of that was the 2017 playoff loss to Blake Bortles and the Jags.
@@twindragon5668So, let’s say we move on from Tomlin (I’m not opposed to it but the owner isn’t budging). What’s the next move? Is it the rest of the coaching staff, changing players at key positions (I’ve seen Minkah, TJ, and Pickens floated around for trades), or something else? And what record/outcome do you foresee for 2025 if we did any drastic changes?
@ my biggest gripe on the Tomlin debate is people not giving enough credit to Ben and too much to Tomlin. When he has Ben for 15+ years he didn’t need to think or worry about the offense as OC didn’t matter with a QB like Ben. And during that stretch of the 2010s it always felt like when it would come playoff time, Ben would have to be Superman every game as Tomlin’s defense wouldn’t show up. I’m not saying Tomlin wasn’t once a legendary defensive mind, but I don’t think people give enough credit to the fact that at the start and majority of his career he had Ben on offense and defensive legends that were drafted and developed by Bill Cowher.
@ players like them could be moved too as if Mike Tomlin were to go, a new culture and house would be brought in entirely. Losing Tomlin and some of the star players in Pittsburgh would feel devastating at first and likely lead to some awful first years at first, but I think that would be much preferable in the long haul as going 9-7-1, 9-8, 10-7, 10-7 ends us up being just good enough to get in but not good enough to compete making drafting generational players to help the team, like QB or WR, incredibly difficult since we’ll always land in the 20s and never high enough to get game changer players. I trust the front office’s ability to draft good players, but I don’t trust Tomlin’s ability to develop QBs or coach discipline.
I found it interesting how the Steelers ended the season playing four-straight games not played on a Sunday (Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Saturday). I wonder if that has ever happened before.
I was absolutely stunned to realize that TJ Watt is 30 damn years old. A player that great having 0 playoff wins by his 30 year old season is absolutely astounding.
Tomlin is a player coach, yet he has a track record of unruly players. He hasn't produced any real skilled coordinators either, and his drafting history is shotty. As a non-stealer fan, he does nothing well, imo he's just okay to be above average coach.
It’s tough being a Steeler fan man. Not bad enough to get in front of the first round of the draft, but not good enough to win a playoff game. Flat out purgatory.
The issue also the Steelers always want to be in the playoffs. Then forget to develop their qb to set them up for success for years to come. A year of rebuilding has to happen to develop a offense.
Big Ben is a Hall of Fame quarterback. It takes time to get a generational quarterback like he was on a roster. It’s just that simple Ben Rothenburger is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame, but the main problem is the lack of offensive weapons to compete within their own division on a consistent basis
@@flyguy7825 thing is the steelers have to wait until a draft class will be heavy with QB’s. The steelers don’t draft high so trading up us slim because its outside the norm for them.
The Steelers are in a unenviable position that I fully understand as a Seahawks fan who watched much of the later Pete Carroll era. Which is a team that is coached "too well" so they never bottom out, and wins games in the regular season, but effectively stopped winning the all important postseason games. The coordinators change but the results are the same. And ownership doesn't want to move off because winning implies something is continually done right even if the symptoms of doing things wrong or "incorrect" are all there. The reality is the Steelers are becoming closer to the Marvin Lewis in the postseason then fans are comfortable with and with an organization that is willing to weather media storms of the past that may not change anytime soon. The only thing the Steelers accomplished this year is depleting another year of their stars primes and I very much understand the frustration of those fans to see these players feel this lack of success.
1) I'll be surprised if Mr. Tomlin hits the 20 year mark wth Pittsburgh. 2) At this point, Russell Wilson will be inconsistent no matter where he goes.
My favorite thing about Mike Tomlin offenses is watching players like Jaylen Warren, Roman Wilson, and Calvin Austin wither away and be either unused or only allowed to see the field in situations that do not take advantage of their strengths at all. And then players like Najee Harris and George Pickens be force fed the ball, when they have underperformed their entire careers. Kind of like the Fields/Wilson dilemma. Not only does it seem like Tomlin has no idea how to judge offensive talent, it almost seems like he actively is the biggest help for other teams defenses when it comes to stopping their offenses.
Not having a losing record is one of the most overrated stats in the NFL. However, there's a significant lack of good head coaching candidates that are potentially better than Mike Tomlin.
Feels like a lot of your videos lately have started with “this is one of the worst situations in football.” That said, I think it would be cool if you did something like “Top 5 WORST situations in the NFL” and broke each one down. I’d def watch that.
Maybe it is time to change HCs. But if they do, Pittsburgh will have to endure at least one bad losing season I think. Pittsburgh lacks talent on the offensive end. No QB, the o-line isn't the best, and skill positions aren't great either. I believe Mike Tomlin is making the most of the talent that the team does have but the fact of the matter is that team just doesn't have great talent.
Y’all said the same thing about Bill Cowher right I don’t think you’re quite did he didn’t win a Super Bowl to his last two years of coaching the Rooney are doing it correctly. They understand that Mike Tomlin is doing the best with what he has to work with. It’s the roster that needs to get better, especially on the offensive end, he just doesn’t have the talent to compete on the offensive side
I think the way the Ravens ran through the Steelers, let me be emphatic, they ran THROUGH the Steelers, is all the evidence you need that change has to happen. The team is not responding or progressing with Tomlin anymore. Yes he has gotten less than ideal rosters to the playoffs. He has ability to turn around a program I strongly believe but his message is not registering anymore in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have to roll the dice on taking a step back potentially for a bit if they ever want to get beyond one and done in playoffs every year.
I think the Steelers should roll Fields as a bridge, draft more talent, maybe take a mid round QB as competition/a backup, and hope we either get a higher pick, or can trade up in a year or two for a QB. There's going to have to be a soft rebuild here, no way around it.
Wanna know how cursed this team is, me and my buddies did a madden career with them in madden 24 and got fired in 2030 after putting together the best roster and getting 1 playoff winc
The ravens game was the worst example of the playoff apathy the Steelers have. Like man, a comeback is wildly improbable but they came back within 14 and had a chance make it 7 and the offense completely shit the bed and that’s when I truly knew the game was over. The team just gives up twice. I think dudes in that locker room have pride and show up for a little bit only to have scheme and coaching fail them miserably.
Muth would be like a TE3 on the Ravens and Steelers fans act like hes Gronk sometimes i swear. He has fumbled or dropped passes at the most critical points in games on multiple occasions. The Year we tied the Lions, Muth fumbled in Overtime pretty close to field goal range, and everyone blamed Rudolph for some reason
As a Steeler fan I’m just tired of the same thing every season. These playoff losses are getting more embarrassing and I think Mike Tomlin’s football philosophy of investing everything into the defense and little to nothing into the offense is outdated in today’s NFL.
Great vid. I'm a Vikes fan as well brother and i feel the steelers know our pain. While we've certainly have had better qb play in recent years nothing changes when it comes to post season disappointment.
Tomlin has 8 playoff wins in his career, 11 losses, 2 Super Bowl appearances in which he’s 1-1, and has been through a plethora of talent and coordinators in 18 years as head coach. (He’s never produced another head coach or coordinator from his coaching tree.) Meanwhile, Sean McVay in 8 years is 8-4 (as i’m writing this), with the same super bowl record as him while being a coach and coordinator producing machine. McVay is a better coach all time than Mike Tomlin.
I genuinely believe we would be talking about Mike Tomlin in the same vein as Mike McCarthy if it wasn't for the fact that he hasn't had a losing season.
Tomlin. The "most consistent coach" with the Panthers, literally the most staaticically volatile(as far as predictability of win losses) team since inception... that would be WILD
Great Vid as always FA. As a Steelers fan trying to keep a level head I think that our issues are fixable. However, they’re completely dependent on Tomlin changing his philosophy as a HC. The ravens went through a similar stretch before lamar where folks were calling for John Harbaugh’s job as well(I think Tomlin should be fired if this next season looks anything like this one). I think the Steelers issues are simple. Lack of adaptation to the current league. If you watch the 2020-2024 Steelers offense and defense they look exactly the same. They play to not lose, rather than playing to win games. The defense is “bend don’t break”, and the offense is always “don’t give the ball away”. They don’t take shots over the middle of the field to avoid interceptions, they don’t get creative using their best playmakers(offensively and defensively). This innate fear of making plays circulates through the offensive and defensive schemes every week! There is no reason why their ballhawk safety(Minkah) should not be roaming and making plays. Every playcall looks identical, and at this point this has to be the last curtain call for Tomlin. This organization is stagnant at the moment. Scared to lose, and never taking the risks to move to the next level. You can’t beat Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and Allen without taking a risk.
I think Art Rooney 2 is the biggest issue with the team. He doesnt let the Steelers into the 21st century. They cant fire coaches mid season if they suck, they have to let their contracts expire. When there is an opening, you can't pay money to bring in top talent, you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for whomever is available. We're constantly hiring has-beens and fired coaches instead of anyone up and coming and when we did get a guy like Flores, it was for a cheap one-year assistant job, and we lost him to Minnesota because we already had a DC and couldn't afford Flores. There is something to be said about the playoff issues and Tomlin, but i do think he's dragging bad teams to the playoffs, not fumbling good teams. Outside of the Browns loss, which is inexcusable, we havent ever really been a good team when we've made the playoffs. Coincidentally, the last playoff game we won, was the year before Art Rooney Jr took over as owner.
As a Steelers fan, I didnt expect them to win that game. I did not expect them to play as bad as they did. Take Derrick Henry away and make Lamar beat you, or vice versa. Never expected a game plan that wouldnt stop either. I cant help but think the coaching staff is subpar at best.
Thanks for the video breaking down some of the feelings some of us Steeler fans have felt for a long time. While I don't personally sit on the fire Tomlin seat (yet), I do understand and don't disagree with the resentment. If only he had a few wins in the mid-2010's this wouldn't be a topic. However, maybe some other fans can elaborate on some of the issues the team had during those times. For some reason, I recall nagging or sudden late season injuries during the killer Bs era probably really locked in this problem we have today about his postseason viability. Sadly, it's the QB position that's likely going to carry a team right now in the modern NFL, and Ben has been long gone. It just so happens that's been a problem point for the Steelers for quite some time.
UrinatingTree was disgustingly right about the Steelers even back in 2018. As great as Tomlin was, 6 straight one and dones, with absolutely *horrible* locker room discipline is not the formula to win it all. I almost feel like Mike Tomlin is an alternate universe Tom Coughlin. One pushed his authority to a point of insanity, winning it big but finally cracking his team from how authoritarian he was, while the other is a slow decline. Someone who everyone loves to play for, but has absolutely 0 control of his locker room, repeating the same things over and over and over and over again, expecting things to change.
Aside from Tomlin’s message mostly becoming stale in the locker room, the end of the Kevin Colbert tenure is turning out to be a huge issue. He really set the team back with his poor roster management/first round drafting in his final seasons. His last 6 first round picks were Artie Burns, TJ (home run), Terrell Edmunds, Devin Bush, Najee (good player, not first round imo), & Kenny Pickett for reference.
Anyone saying, “as an outsider i think the steelers should keep mike tomlin” have no idea what it is like to watch a team week in and week out only win by sheer roster talent, and have every loss be because your gameplan is just simply so bad, your players are no where close to being put in situations to succeed. Hes been here 18 years, you think he seriously doesnt have equal say in roster cuts, free agency and the draft??? This is exactly how he wants his team built and it just simply doesnt work. Hes not some master strategist, he is, in the words of terry bradshaw, a cheerleader and thats why players love playing for him. Who doesnt love the teacher that doesnt assign homework and lets you sit on your phone in class?
It's amazing how almost (almost!) all ghe support for Tomlin comes from Fans of other teams. Most Steelers fans that jave paid attention game in, game out have witnessed the stale, inflexible gameplans that stand for no ability to adapt when change is needed. A Team with the Steelers payroll/talent cannot spend any more seasons like that.
The problem pittsburgh fans are starting to have with Tomlin is, he's just good enough to make the playoffs, or at least the talent on the team is good enough to make the playoffs. But, as you seen in the last month of the season, when the competition gets a little higher tier, the Steelers can't compete. And that's what you get in the playoffs. The Stat that jumps out at me with Tomlin is, he's only won a playoff game in 2 of the last 14 seasons!!! He's had nearly 70 pro bowlers in that time, so, it's not a talent thing, cause that's 3rd most in the NFL. So, it has to come down to coaching, it would if it was any other coach on any other team.
Someone described teams in this situation as being in PURGATORY. Not falling into the "nether regions" deep below the Earth, but not able to go to Heaven, either, until some of their sins of the past can be wiped out. Sounds about right to me.
Remember when Andrew Luck retired and the Colts snapped up any QB they could get their hands on just to tread water? Then their core players aged out or got injured and the team collapsed into the gutter? Yeah congrats Steelers fans, you’re trapped in that hell now and it isn’t going to get better until the Steelers commit to the tank.
Tomlin would be a great coach for a team like Chicago ir Jacksonville. He's the ultimate players coach with the highest floor in the league and would drag them back to respectability and a few playoff runs. However for a team like Pittsburgh, hes just run his course. His biggest problem is that once a goal is achieved, he is UNABLE to move to the next. He gets the team so lazer focused to get to step 1 that they cant see step 2. Thats why the "no losing record" stat keeps collapsing the secind they hit win #10. Thats why the steelers always look past inferior opponents. Thats why they always finish bad seasons strong and good seasons weak
I think Mike is good but he is responsible for this. Also the front office is also responsible. The players drafted in the last 4 years have not been super stars. Also tomlin is too conservative. Either tomlin changes his conservative ways or he needs to leave.
The problem is Mike Tomlin. Small brained “nfl fans” think not having a losing season is good, but they fail to bring up the fact that they haven’t won a playoff game in half a decade. Tomlins last ring was 17 years ago. Dude isn’t a good coach at all. “The standard is the standard.” What’s the standard? Barely making the playoffs and getting bounced out the first game, while standing on the sidelines with big ass eyes?
Here comes all the non Steeler fans “they’re in for a rude awakening if they let him go” little do they know we trust our GM to build a really good roster if he’s given the chance. We want to suck for 3-4 years to find the necessary pieces for the future.
I say let Justin start next year and see what happens. If you have a bad season worst thing that happened is you actually have a draft pick capable of getting good young player to build around. They can’t win with this roster as it is and they need the rebuild. If the Patriots can suck the Steelers need to check their ego and let themselves have a tank year. If Justin exceeds expectations then great you have someone to build around
I think what the Steelers do is a reflection of what they value as a franchise for example the cowboys let go of Mike because despite the fact he’s a winning coach in the regular season no postseason success the Steelers have to do the same or they basically tell their players that playoff success doesn’t matter
Well it's nice to see that people are finally seeing through Mike Tomlin's smoke and mirrors, yes he's been a good coach and yes he's never had a losing season but the question remains What does never having a losing season really mean if it doesn't translate to more success afterwards? Seriously 3 playoff wins in 12 years & hasn't even won a playoff game in 8 years that is Not something to be proud of. Are the Steelers going to fire Tomlin? no I don't think so but I really think that Tomlin got a lot of free passes for what folks have criticized a lot of other players and coaches for: good in the regular season, not so good in the postseason
I view Pittsburgh much the way I do Minnesota - they are just competent enough to put winning squads on the field and never tank. So they never truly get blue chip players to rebuild with.
I think the Steelers are in for a major rebuild soon. That defense carried them the last 3 years and it’s in a free fall decline, the offense isn’t great, the weapons subpar. They couldn’t run nor stop the run. This is like the 1986-87 Tom Landry era Cowboys; old and on the verge of collapse. Maybe it’s Arch Manning time in 2026. It’s getting to the point that the Steelers can’t hold onto the guys they have and still win. The next 3 years or so are going to be painful but if they draft smartly they’ll be back better than ever by decades end. They were 6-10 in 2003 and got Big Ben in 2004. You gotta be bad enough sometimes to draft difference makers
Big Ben 2004 Polamalu 2003 James Harrison 2002 Holmes 2006 Faneca 1998 Hines Ward 1998 Heath Miller 2005 Bruce Arians 2004 Dick LeBeau 1992 Mike Tomlin was hired Jan. 22, 2007. Tomlin had nothing to do with any of the people I just mentioned, yet he takes credit for that Super Bowl.
We don't want to be just okay. We want to be good again. Tomlin hasn't helped in that case. We just keep getting worse and laughed at against good teams. We are the easiest team in the playoffs to get beaten badly.
Pickens might be a talented 23 yr old pass-catcher, but he also is a prolific 23 yr old pass-dropper. I'd give him a one season to fix that and any diva receiver bullshit he's getting up to, and after that I'd go find the next GM who can be conned out of a second round pick for a Steelers receiver.
I think its pretty obvious to anyone that's a serious person that mike Tomlin is one of the better head coaches in football but at the end of the day if you're the Steelers you cant keep banging your head against the wall and hoping something changes.
The steelers at least made the post season over my bengals, who had MVP caliber season from Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase. So much for having an elite QB.
10 wins with a legit bottom 5 roster in the NFL. I will never understand why people ignore how bad this team is talentwise, the Steelers have a single good unit. It's actually black magic to have not gone 4-13 this year. I think the team needs to do a better job of talent acquisition and development, if you think Tomlin is getting what he wants in this regard then I'm willing to listen to that argument. But you can't let Omar Khan and ownership off the hook either. The whole thing is decayed, and it's the drive to succeed that even gets them a mid tier season every year.
So, I’m going to say this about the idea of Aaron Rodgers Playing for the Steelers. Look what happened with the Jets. Wilson may request a trade if Rodgers stays ( last I’ve heard). He wasn’t truly clicking with the receivers minus Adam’s. How the fuck you think he’s gonna work out when his best WR is Pickens?
Thry should trade up for jeanty and run a run heavy/option offense with fields. That way they actually get some production out of theyre neutered offense
Are you serious? The guy has a winning record EVERY year and two SB appearances. Go ask Jags, Panthers, Jets, Giants, Cardinals, Saints, Dolphins, Browns, Texans, Bears, Titans, Cowboys, Lions, Redskins - pretty much any team in Tomlin's career that hasnt had a generational QB. When the Steelers did have that, they won 2 Super Bowls. (First title with Ben had Cowher at HC) I absolutely hate the Steelers. But I dont think you're truly grasping how difficult it is to win in the league.
Head coach is not the problem. It’s the general manager Mike Tomlin does not have the offensive weapons to compete with the contenders in the AFC. It’s just that simple. The Rooney hired him for him to be their coach until he decides to hang it up and go somewhere else or retire that’s how it works. The Rooney don’t cave into media head pressure half of them don’t know football or fans knee-jerk just stupid reactions. That’s why they’re one of the best franchisees going in American sports.
I have some ideas as a Steelers fan, I’ll watch the video and come back Edit: I agree the Steelers had no fight. Every team in the playoffs this year came out guns blazing hitting hard getting hyped, the Steelers were dead. Mike Tomlin isn’t leaving even though I think it’s time, so OC and DC need to be gone. I’m not sold on Justin but I think we should field him, no pun intended. Get fields out there, draft receivers and corners. Get a young hot OC who can scheme up some beautiful plays similar to the ravens, lions, etc. I say trade Pickens for sure, and load up on picks. Sign tee higgins or some other great receiver. And this is dire but if we really like one of the top qbs trade TJ Watt and picks and get up into the top 3, but maybe that waits until 2026
Also I don’t like Sam, I think that is mostly KOC being a good coach. Russ needs to be cut, lets run it with Justin and maybe get a young qb to back him up and maybe he can be the guy idk
I think John Harbaugh should be in the discussion as well. Even when he has a loaded roster he takes his foot off the gas in key moments. If he cant make the SB this year, he should be fired. As a Ravens fan, Id much rather have Mike Tomlin at the helm over John Harbaugh.
Who do you think should play quarterback for the Steelers in 2025? 🤔
I think Justin Fields should but that's only my opinion.
@@FootballAnalysis1 gotta make an internal decision between Russ and fields, then draft dart or Milton to develop
Love from md man
Quinn Ewers
it was crazy 2 years ago lamar jackson was made available for 2 first round picks and no one traded for him.
Russell Wilson, let Justin Fields sit needs to sit and learn, but the problem is is that they don’t have enough on the offensive end to compete within their own division on a consistent basis. They’re putting so much pressure on that defense to make plays. It’s not even funny they need to get at least another receiverthat could take the top off of a defense and their runner back room needs a complete overhaul.
Mike Tomlin is just NFL Doc Rivers at this point. What is the point of going positive every year if you lose in the first round of playoffs?
Do you know the definition of Insanity?
For Doc he kept blowing 3-1 leads, Tomlin keeps letting a lead of 21 or more hit them before halftime 😭😭 its wild
@@silversoulken doc reminds me more of the bills.. and Celtics are like the chiefs lol
@@IchigoKurosaki0715nah not even close
@@brewproductionz2 how so
@@IchigoKurosaki0715 Bills never won anything yet Doc rivers is still getting hired because a championship he won back in 2008 and everytime he gets in the playoffs he consistently loses terribly
As a Falcons fans, any mention of that 2016 Super Bowl makes me physically ill
Almost as bad as the Cam Newton not jumping on a fumble for a Panthers fan 😂😂😢😢😢
@@morsumbra9692obviously you two are forgetting the pain that Seahawks fans endure whenever a goal line is mentioned.
28-3 😂
Same lol
@thomasshanks6735 forever pour a patronessey out for Marshawn and yall on that one.
As a huge Steelers fan (since 2011), I am so over this every single season. I seriously expect it every year. My friends at college kept telling me: “Dude, you guys are 9-3, you guys are legit.” I told them every single week. 10-7, first round exit. Every week I told them. It is exactly what ended up happening. I have 0 faith in this team. This is seriously just the worst.
@@taylorstevens5394 Yep…. “Legit”= Championships
Philly fan here, my dad is a Steelers fan so I always watched the Steelers secondly.
There has been so much talent around that team consistently since at least 2015 (excluding years with Kenny Pickett) with WR QB and defense. There is almost 0 reason as to why that team shouldn’t be at least heading to a championship every year. Tomlin has to go
Have you seen your team win a Super Bowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you are in a position 90% of football fans will never know. I hope they fire Tomlin and then get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Ungrateful fuck.
@@GGCGAGSGbuddy missed the point
Have you seen your team win a superbowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you have a feeling and a memory 90% of football fans will never know. I hope if they actually do have the audacity to fire Tomlin that they get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Would be gold. You think things are bad now? Wait until your team is so bad they start getting accused of tanking, lol.
“This is seriously just the worst”
This is a “seriously” out of touch take… guess 18 seasons of winning football will do that to a fan base.
Going back to their AFC Championship loss in 2016, I believe the Steelers have fallen behind at least 21 points in all their postseason games since.
You are right
Bills fan - We have done our best
Someone told me Mike Tomlin is the NFL version of Doc Rivers. Both won 1 ring years ago and haven't done much since
John harbaugh will take that title if he doesn't make it to a sb
but players love them and owners and GMs have to keep the players happy
@@frandavis1990 nah harbough has had more playoff
*Cause they’re black. No other reason to compare n what about these other coaches who haven’t done shit? Where’s the energy for them or darnold or herbert? Y’all think him bein black is the only reason he’s liked n I think thats also the same reason he disliked.. n that comparison alone proved that..*
@@sloppnbiscuiitz ok, what about white Rick Carlisle? won 1 chip with the mavs in 2011, decidedly mid before and after, and he is definitely a "player's coach" or white Jim Leyland? won 1 WS, was barely a .500 manager but players loved him, even Barry Bonds (who was notoriously prickly) loved playing for Leyland because behind closed doors he let Barry do whatever he wanted.
both guys coached for 20+ years, one ring and middling success (other than the ring)
As a Ravens fan I think Tomlin ia the only reason the steelers haven't missed the play-offs 5 years in a row.... IK one and does are frustrating but I think Pittsburg fans are in for a rude awakening if they let him go
Kinda think you have to let him go to grow past the one n done seasons
Problem is that it's been multiple changes around him and not him. As a fan I believe we hit the ceiling with Tomlin cuz nothing is changing with him.
I respectfully disagree. I think their consistency comes from the organizational structure and front office. He has kept them afloat, sure, but I think they could benefit tremendously from a coaching change.
That’s not a good excuse not to get rid of him, and to act like this roster isn’t good and that no other coach can coach the Steelers is crazy. Mike Tomlin is not the only good coach in the league… it’s time for a change in order to go from good to great you need to take a risk. You need to take a step back and take a look around before you can take multiple steps forward
100% agree
The Steelers have been doing the same song and dance for 5 years now. They have mid to below average QB play with a great defense that’s able to carry them to a barely above .500 record or gets them barely into the playoffs where they get blasted in the wildcard round. Where they lose to a better a team or lose to a better team with an elite QB highlighting the glaring difference between their QB and their opponents QB. They are not going far into the playoffs until they get QB that can actually hang with the superhuman AFC QB’s of Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, and Burrow
It's not just the QB, their skill position players are average.
@@Anonymous0.019 exactly. So, I say we should draft one of the best talents at the position available, not just because it’s a position of need. QB play is gonna depend on receivers getting open and lineman blocking. We invested a lot into lineman, so we should bolster our wide receiver room with guys that can run routes and get separation. Running back too
Apparently burrow can’t hang either
@@Anonymous0.019 I agree as well should’ve also mentioned that in my earlier comment. It feels like the Steelers are years behind where the current NFL landscape is when it comes to QB and WR. They need to go draft Luther Burden if he’s somehow available at their pick or draft Emeka Egbuka which is the more realistic option. In order to pair someone next to George Pickens than they can go give the ball to and that can make splash plays
@@fortniteburger8747 While Burrow’s team couldn’t hang mainly their defense Burrow just had the best season of his career and is only at the start of his prime which the Steelers have to deal with him for the next 10+ years
So many Steelers fans act like Tomlin is blameless, it blows my mind.
Yes not every loss is entirely his fault, but when the last 6 straight playoff games are over at half time for a supposed "defensive guru" with the highest paid defense in the league is unacceptable.
it's fine to not win the superbowl, that's hard, but when you can't even look competitive in any playoff game then it's a problem
It's not that they lost, it's how they lost. Not good
@@holyelixir4580 the problem is think of the position they are in…. How do you fire a coach who hasn’t been below .500 once in his entire career.
@@MultiBearsfan54how about you suck for a year or 2 to try and get some good draft capital, get a good Qb and maybe build something. While it is impressive to never have a losing record in 18 seasons, it’s still incredibly pointless if you’re just going to get steamrolled in the first round of the playoffs and since you had that barely over .500 record then it just keeps you at mediocrity.
Mediocrity isn't rewarded or fixed- it's just accepted. If the Steelers want out of this rut, I think it'll require some kind of major leadership change.
Mediocre to the tune of a .630 w%. People don't appreciate Tomlin for winning, they hate him for not losing enough to draft in the top 10.
@@nahbruhnopehow can you appreciate winning when nothing comes of it
@@nahbruhnopethat’s like going to work everyday, completing your tasks, and then not getting paid…
@@vinnyt1140 The 2010s Bengals would certainly agree.
@@Disxreetthis is the perfect analogy 🤞🏾
Bringing in Aaron Rodgers would be Tomlin literally waiving the white flag and basically begging the Rooney’s to fire him.
At minimum, it’d make Pat McAfee and his crew jizz all over their studio
They need to stink it up next year and get Arch Manning in 2026
@@russellseilhamer4552 Their D alone will make sure that doesn't happen. If they want to go that route then they need to start the trading now and being with Watt.
@@russellseilhamer4552that might be the only benefit of Rodgers…unless Pickens returns and they have two locker room cancers and Aaron can get George hooked on ayahuasca then that’s another benefit
During the prime Killer B era (Big Ben, AB, Bell, & Boswell) our offense would always miss one of these players. Le’veon got hurt and missed the majority of the 2015 season and tail end of the 2016 season. The concussion that has gifted us with CTESPN came in the 2015 playoffs also left us without AB for the next game against the Broncos. Then Bell holds out and does nothing with the Jets, Ben rants on a radio show and AB dips out (but not quite like his retirement announcement) and that’s the end of an era circa 2018. Another point is that many of the draft picks used between 2018 and 2022 have not been guys and most of the guys are out of the league or bounced around different practice squads. What we need to do better at (and the 2023 and 2024 drafts give me hope) is identifying talent wherever we are picking. We got TJ with the 30th overall, so it’s not impossible. But what I don’t like is going for the nepotism picks (Porter, Hayward, Watt, Herbig, Edmunds). Like who thought Connor Hayward, who is a 6’0” Tight End was a deserving pick. On the other hand, not a lot talent existed in the 2022 draft anyway.
2017 is when Tomlin lost the lockeroom, Tomlin & the team still hasn't recovered.
@ well if we look at the pro-bowl and all-pro selections, it was pretty consistent up until 2020. 2021 and onwards it’s only been TJ, Cam, and Minkah that’s gotten the nod (generally, Miles Killebrew and Najee got kudos at times too). So, I think this furthers my point that not drafting/signing replacements to players like Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, and truly having superstar wideouts to replace AB have cost us these games when it matters. And it’s not from lack of trying but sometimes this team sticks with players too long just to do their due diligence and by the time they make a decision the price has been paid and it’s a winning season in the process haha.
I feel the need to mention nick herbig is pretty damn good
@@BobBob-eb4io You’re correct. And that’s why I didn’t say he was a mistake. But my point is, did we draft him because he was the best OLB available or because we just signed his older bro Nate that very same offseason?
My thing is since 2020, the start of the new decade. Pittsburgh has changed QB multiple times, changed general manager changed Defensive Coordinators, changed Offensive Coordinators, changed Offensive and defensive players. The only constant factor these past 5 seasons has been Mike Tomlin being the head coach in Pittsburgh.
Yet despite all these changes, the result every year in Pittsburgh is the same which is either a 9 or 10 win season with a wildcard playoff lose or not making the playoffs.
I don’t understand people can look at all these changes on the team, see the HC position, Mike Tomlin, is the only thing that hasn’t changed and say he isn’t the problem or that it would be a mistake for Pittsburgh to move off of him. He’s been the only thing that has been the same the past 5 years and the team’s results have been the same.
It’s not been an issue that’s only gone on the last 5 years, it’s been one since their last SB appearance. Every season there’s always a massive hole somewhere due to bad coaching hire and overpaid underperforming contracts. We usually keep very subpar coordinators for way too long and try to run schemes that just don’t adapt to today’s game. Once we lost Big Ben, who was carrying the team offensively from his magician type play style, the wheels finally came off and Tomlin has been exposed as a great developer of talent/recruiter but an awful schemer/play caller. He’s been the issue for a long time and the first sign of that was the 2017 playoff loss to Blake Bortles and the Jags.
@@twindragon5668So, let’s say we move on from Tomlin (I’m not opposed to it but the owner isn’t budging). What’s the next move? Is it the rest of the coaching staff, changing players at key positions (I’ve seen Minkah, TJ, and Pickens floated around for trades), or something else? And what record/outcome do you foresee for 2025 if we did any drastic changes?
@ my biggest gripe on the Tomlin debate is people not giving enough credit to Ben and too much to Tomlin. When he has Ben for 15+ years he didn’t need to think or worry about the offense as OC didn’t matter with a QB like Ben. And during that stretch of the 2010s it always felt like when it would come playoff time, Ben would have to be Superman every game as Tomlin’s defense wouldn’t show up. I’m not saying Tomlin wasn’t once a legendary defensive mind, but I don’t think people give enough credit to the fact that at the start and majority of his career he had Ben on offense and defensive legends that were drafted and developed by Bill Cowher.
@ players like them could be moved too as if Mike Tomlin were to go, a new culture and house would be brought in entirely. Losing Tomlin and some of the star players in Pittsburgh would feel devastating at first and likely lead to some awful first years at first, but I think that would be much preferable in the long haul as going 9-7-1, 9-8, 10-7, 10-7 ends us up being just good enough to get in but not good enough to compete making drafting generational players to help the team, like QB or WR, incredibly difficult since we’ll always land in the 20s and never high enough to get game changer players. I trust the front office’s ability to draft good players, but I don’t trust Tomlin’s ability to develop QBs or coach discipline.
Because how can Tomlin be expected to go further than a first round out when he has Kenny Picket and Mason Rudolph as his QBs?
I found it interesting how the Steelers ended the season playing four-straight games not played on a Sunday (Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Saturday). I wonder if that has ever happened before.
What you making excuses?
Somehow saying Sam Darnold "peed his pants" at the end of the season sounds 100 times more embarrassing than saying he shit the bed lmao
You either retire a great coach or coach long enough to become the modern Marv Lewis.
I was absolutely stunned to realize that TJ Watt is 30 damn years old. A player that great having 0 playoff wins by his 30 year old season is absolutely astounding.
I believe NFL just dropped a video about the 10 greatest players to never win a Playoff game. You should watch it. TJ’s on the list.
Team issue. He cant do nothung about it
Tomlin is a player coach, yet he has a track record of unruly players. He hasn't produced any real skilled coordinators either, and his drafting history is shotty. As a non-stealer fan, he does nothing well, imo he's just okay to be above average coach.
It’s tough being a Steeler fan man. Not bad enough to get in front of the first round of the draft, but not good enough to win a playoff game. Flat out purgatory.
The issue also the Steelers always want to be in the playoffs. Then forget to develop their qb to set them up for success for years to come. A year of rebuilding has to happen to develop a offense.
Big Ben is a Hall of Fame quarterback. It takes time to get a generational quarterback like he was on a roster. It’s just that simple Ben Rothenburger is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame, but the main problem is the lack of offensive weapons to compete within their own division on a consistent basis
@@flyguy7825 thing is the steelers have to wait until a draft class will be heavy with QB’s. The steelers don’t draft high so trading up us slim because its outside the norm for them.
@@21Kolb they need receivers more than they actually need a quarterback a quarterback a for right now is rock solid
The Steelers are in a unenviable position that I fully understand as a Seahawks fan who watched much of the later Pete Carroll era. Which is a team that is coached "too well" so they never bottom out, and wins games in the regular season, but effectively stopped winning the all important postseason games. The coordinators change but the results are the same. And ownership doesn't want to move off because winning implies something is continually done right even if the symptoms of doing things wrong or "incorrect" are all there. The reality is the Steelers are becoming closer to the Marvin Lewis in the postseason then fans are comfortable with and with an organization that is willing to weather media storms of the past that may not change anytime soon. The only thing the Steelers accomplished this year is depleting another year of their stars primes and I very much understand the frustration of those fans to see these players feel this lack of success.
Apparently Tomlin is a great coach!!!!!!!!!!
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
1) I'll be surprised if Mr. Tomlin hits the 20 year mark wth Pittsburgh.
2) At this point, Russell Wilson will be inconsistent no matter where he goes.
Russel wilson needs to retire SEA era over he look crazy all his guys gone doing their own shit chillin
@junyaiwase The Seattle era is definitely over, I agree.
My favorite thing about Mike Tomlin offenses is watching players like Jaylen Warren, Roman Wilson, and Calvin Austin wither away and be either unused or only allowed to see the field in situations that do not take advantage of their strengths at all. And then players like Najee Harris and George Pickens be force fed the ball, when they have underperformed their entire careers. Kind of like the Fields/Wilson dilemma. Not only does it seem like Tomlin has no idea how to judge offensive talent, it almost seems like he actively is the biggest help for other teams defenses when it comes to stopping their offenses.
Why is it difficult? Clearly you go with Fields. Revamp the defence by drafting well, then sign a couple studs. Done.
Not having a losing record is one of the most overrated stats in the NFL. However, there's a significant lack of good head coaching candidates that are potentially better than Mike Tomlin.
Tomlin is the most overrated coach in pro sports. No postseason wins since Obama was president, no coaching tree, Matt Canada, etc etc.
Feels like a lot of your videos lately have started with “this is one of the worst situations in football.” That said, I think it would be cool if you did something like “Top 5 WORST situations in the NFL” and broke each one down. I’d def watch that.
One of these days we are gunna get a FA vid where the title will be “The [Insert Team] are in an okay situation”
Chargers/Seahawks lol
Maybe it is time to change HCs. But if they do, Pittsburgh will have to endure at least one bad losing season I think. Pittsburgh lacks talent on the offensive end. No QB, the o-line isn't the best, and skill positions aren't great either. I believe Mike Tomlin is making the most of the talent that the team does have but the fact of the matter is that team just doesn't have great talent.
Disagree. They’ve shown they can win games in the first 12 weeks but the pattern is that they just stop trying after that point.
Y’all said the same thing about Bill Cowher right I don’t think you’re quite did he didn’t win a Super Bowl to his last two years of coaching the Rooney are doing it correctly. They understand that Mike Tomlin is doing the best with what he has to work with. It’s the roster that needs to get better, especially on the offensive end, he just doesn’t have the talent to compete on the offensive side
No he's not making the most of his players talent, I'm telling you he don't know how to.
I think the way the Ravens ran through the Steelers, let me be emphatic, they ran THROUGH the Steelers, is all the evidence you need that change has to happen. The team is not responding or progressing with Tomlin anymore. Yes he has gotten less than ideal rosters to the playoffs. He has ability to turn around a program I strongly believe but his message is not registering anymore in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have to roll the dice on taking a step back potentially for a bit if they ever want to get beyond one and done in playoffs every year.
I think the Steelers should roll Fields as a bridge, draft more talent, maybe take a mid round QB as competition/a backup, and hope we either get a higher pick, or can trade up in a year or two for a QB. There's going to have to be a soft rebuild here, no way around it.
Wanna know how cursed this team is, me and my buddies did a madden career with them in madden 24 and got fired in 2030 after putting together the best roster and getting 1 playoff winc
Really appreciate the consistency in which you schedule dude!!
Last time the Steelers fired a coach Adam West still played Batman and Lyndon Johnson was in office. Just let that sink in
The Steelers are barely above average hack jobs under Nightmare Tomlin.
The ravens game was the worst example of the playoff apathy the Steelers have. Like man, a comeback is wildly improbable but they came back within 14 and had a chance make it 7 and the offense completely shit the bed and that’s when I truly knew the game was over. The team just gives up twice. I think dudes in that locker room have pride and show up for a little bit only to have scheme and coaching fail them miserably.
Muth would be like a TE3 on the Ravens and Steelers fans act like hes Gronk sometimes i swear.
He has fumbled or dropped passes at the most critical points in games on multiple occasions. The Year we tied the Lions, Muth fumbled in Overtime pretty close to field goal range, and everyone blamed Rudolph for some reason
As a Steeler fan I’m just tired of the same thing every season. These playoff losses are getting more embarrassing and I think Mike Tomlin’s football philosophy of investing everything into the defense and little to nothing into the offense is outdated in today’s NFL.
Great vid. I'm a Vikes fan as well brother and i feel the steelers know our pain. While we've certainly have had better qb play in recent years nothing changes when it comes to post season disappointment.
Tomlin has 8 playoff wins in his career, 11 losses, 2 Super Bowl appearances in which he’s 1-1, and has been through a plethora of talent and coordinators in 18 years as head coach. (He’s never produced another head coach or coordinator from his coaching tree.) Meanwhile, Sean McVay in 8 years is 8-4 (as i’m writing this), with the same super bowl record as him while being a coach and coordinator producing machine. McVay is a better coach all time than Mike Tomlin.
I genuinely believe we would be talking about Mike Tomlin in the same vein as Mike McCarthy if it wasn't for the fact that he hasn't had a losing season.
As a Atlanta falcon fan I’m tired of catching strays 😂
28-3 is a lifetime stray even if you guys become a dynasty 5x over
@ Lawd 🤦🏾♂️😂😂 yall got to give us a break
Tomlin. The "most consistent coach" with the Panthers, literally the most staaticically volatile(as far as predictability of win losses) team since inception... that would be WILD
Great Vid as always FA. As a Steelers fan trying to keep a level head I think that our issues are fixable. However, they’re completely dependent on Tomlin changing his philosophy as a HC. The ravens went through a similar stretch before lamar where folks were calling for John Harbaugh’s job as well(I think Tomlin should be fired if this next season looks anything like this one). I think the Steelers issues are simple. Lack of adaptation to the current league. If you watch the 2020-2024 Steelers offense and defense they look exactly the same. They play to not lose, rather than playing to win games. The defense is “bend don’t break”, and the offense is always “don’t give the ball away”. They don’t take shots over the middle of the field to avoid interceptions, they don’t get creative using their best playmakers(offensively and defensively). This innate fear of making plays circulates through the offensive and defensive schemes every week! There is no reason why their ballhawk safety(Minkah) should not be roaming and making plays. Every playcall looks identical, and at this point this has to be the last curtain call for Tomlin. This organization is stagnant at the moment. Scared to lose, and never taking the risks to move to the next level. You can’t beat Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and Allen without taking a risk.
Ben Johnson for HC
I think Art Rooney 2 is the biggest issue with the team. He doesnt let the Steelers into the 21st century. They cant fire coaches mid season if they suck, they have to let their contracts expire. When there is an opening, you can't pay money to bring in top talent, you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for whomever is available.
We're constantly hiring has-beens and fired coaches instead of anyone up and coming and when we did get a guy like Flores, it was for a cheap one-year assistant job, and we lost him to Minnesota because we already had a DC and couldn't afford Flores.
There is something to be said about the playoff issues and Tomlin, but i do think he's dragging bad teams to the playoffs, not fumbling good teams. Outside of the Browns loss, which is inexcusable, we havent ever really been a good team when we've made the playoffs. Coincidentally, the last playoff game we won, was the year before Art Rooney Jr took over as owner.
As a Steelers fan, I didnt expect them to win that game. I did not expect them to play as bad as they did. Take Derrick Henry away and make Lamar beat you, or vice versa. Never expected a game plan that wouldnt stop either. I cant help but think the coaching staff is subpar at best.
“Peeing his pants in the last two games of the year” he’s perfect for Pittsburgh then lol
Thanks for the video breaking down some of the feelings some of us Steeler fans have felt for a long time. While I don't personally sit on the fire Tomlin seat (yet), I do understand and don't disagree with the resentment. If only he had a few wins in the mid-2010's this wouldn't be a topic. However, maybe some other fans can elaborate on some of the issues the team had during those times. For some reason, I recall nagging or sudden late season injuries during the killer Bs era probably really locked in this problem we have today about his postseason viability. Sadly, it's the QB position that's likely going to carry a team right now in the modern NFL, and Ben has been long gone. It just so happens that's been a problem point for the Steelers for quite some time.
UrinatingTree was disgustingly right about the Steelers even back in 2018.
As great as Tomlin was, 6 straight one and dones, with absolutely *horrible* locker room discipline is not the formula to win it all.
I almost feel like Mike Tomlin is an alternate universe Tom Coughlin. One pushed his authority to a point of insanity, winning it big but finally cracking his team from how authoritarian he was, while the other is a slow decline. Someone who everyone loves to play for, but has absolutely 0 control of his locker room, repeating the same things over and over and over and over again, expecting things to change.
We also only beat trash, we never beat really good teams. Infact we dont even compete against them.
Aside from Tomlin’s message mostly becoming stale in the locker room, the end of the Kevin Colbert tenure is turning out to be a huge issue. He really set the team back with his poor roster management/first round drafting in his final seasons. His last 6 first round picks were Artie Burns, TJ (home run), Terrell Edmunds, Devin Bush, Najee (good player, not first round imo), & Kenny Pickett for reference.
Anyone saying, “as an outsider i think the steelers should keep mike tomlin” have no idea what it is like to watch a team week in and week out only win by sheer roster talent, and have every loss be because your gameplan is just simply so bad, your players are no where close to being put in situations to succeed. Hes been here 18 years, you think he seriously doesnt have equal say in roster cuts, free agency and the draft??? This is exactly how he wants his team built and it just simply doesnt work. Hes not some master strategist, he is, in the words of terry bradshaw, a cheerleader and thats why players love playing for him. Who doesnt love the teacher that doesnt assign homework and lets you sit on your phone in class?
It's amazing how almost (almost!) all ghe support for Tomlin comes from Fans of other teams. Most Steelers fans that jave paid attention game in, game out have witnessed the stale, inflexible gameplans that stand for no ability to adapt when change is needed. A Team with the Steelers payroll/talent cannot spend any more seasons like that.
The problem pittsburgh fans are starting to have with Tomlin is, he's just good enough to make the playoffs, or at least the talent on the team is good enough to make the playoffs. But, as you seen in the last month of the season, when the competition gets a little higher tier, the Steelers can't compete. And that's what you get in the playoffs. The Stat that jumps out at me with Tomlin is, he's only won a playoff game in 2 of the last 14 seasons!!! He's had nearly 70 pro bowlers in that time, so, it's not a talent thing, cause that's 3rd most in the NFL. So, it has to come down to coaching, it would if it was any other coach on any other team.
Someone described teams in this situation as being in PURGATORY. Not falling into the "nether regions" deep below the Earth, but not able to go to Heaven, either, until some of their sins of the past can be wiped out. Sounds about right to me.
Panthers fan here. Please, please allow Tomlin. 5yrs of one and done sound WONDERFUL compard to what ive endured since 2015 honestly.
Remember when Andrew Luck retired and the Colts snapped up any QB they could get their hands on just to tread water? Then their core players aged out or got injured and the team collapsed into the gutter?
Yeah congrats Steelers fans, you’re trapped in that hell now and it isn’t going to get better until the Steelers commit to the tank.
Tomlin would be a great coach for a team like Chicago ir Jacksonville. He's the ultimate players coach with the highest floor in the league and would drag them back to respectability and a few playoff runs. However for a team like Pittsburgh, hes just run his course. His biggest problem is that once a goal is achieved, he is UNABLE to move to the next. He gets the team so lazer focused to get to step 1 that they cant see step 2. Thats why the "no losing record" stat keeps collapsing the secind they hit win #10. Thats why the steelers always look past inferior opponents. Thats why they always finish bad seasons strong and good seasons weak
As a bengals fan we wouldn't have lost in the post season
Glad to hear someone else thinks PF is overrated as a TE. Steeler fans want to compare him to Heath, but He couldn’t touch Heath’s jock strap.
I think Mike is good but he is responsible for this. Also the front office is also responsible. The players drafted in the last 4 years have not been super stars. Also tomlin is too conservative. Either tomlin changes his conservative ways or he needs to leave.
A quarterback is needed!!! Tomlin is a monster
All they need is a star qb, another db, and another offensive weapon. Im a ravens fan
First let’s goooooo. Been waiting for This. Listening on way to work rn, My Steelers in a tricky spot, but I trust tomlin.
Excited to watch
List of head coaches that are better than Tomlin
-John Harbaugh
-Sean Payton
-Dan Campbell
-Andy Reid
-Sean McVay
-Brian Daboll
-Kyle Shanahan
The problem is Mike Tomlin. Small brained “nfl fans” think not having a losing season is good, but they fail to bring up the fact that they haven’t won a playoff game in half a decade. Tomlins last ring was 17 years ago. Dude isn’t a good coach at all. “The standard is the standard.” What’s the standard? Barely making the playoffs and getting bounced out the first game, while standing on the sidelines with big ass eyes?
Here comes all the non Steeler fans “they’re in for a rude awakening if they let him go” little do they know we trust our GM to build a really good roster if he’s given the chance. We want to suck for 3-4 years to find the necessary pieces for the future.
I say let Justin start next year and see what happens. If you have a bad season worst thing that happened is you actually have a draft pick capable of getting good young player to build around. They can’t win with this roster as it is and they need the rebuild. If the Patriots can suck the Steelers need to check their ego and let themselves have a tank year. If Justin exceeds expectations then great you have someone to build around
as a raider fan, id love to win as much as the steelers
I think what the Steelers do is a reflection of what they value as a franchise for example the cowboys let go of Mike because despite the fact he’s a winning coach in the regular season no postseason success the Steelers have to do the same or they basically tell their players that playoff success doesn’t matter
Should’ve been fired after losing to Tebow in the postseason. Unacceptable
Tomlin needs to go he gets out coached in every big game and Is extremely overrated
Whatever moves they make it the offseason, they’re probably gonna be the wrong ones.
Well it's nice to see that people are finally seeing through Mike Tomlin's smoke and mirrors, yes he's been a good coach and yes he's never had a losing season but the question remains
What does never having a losing season really mean if it doesn't translate to more success afterwards? Seriously 3 playoff wins in 12 years & hasn't even won a playoff game in 8 years that is Not something to be proud of.
Are the Steelers going to fire Tomlin? no I don't think so but I really think that Tomlin got a lot of free passes for what folks have criticized a lot of other players and coaches for: good in the regular season, not so good in the postseason
I view Pittsburgh much the way I do Minnesota - they are just competent enough to put winning squads on the field and never tank. So they never truly get blue chip players to rebuild with.
I think the Steelers are in for a major rebuild soon. That defense carried them the last 3 years and it’s in a free fall decline, the offense isn’t great, the weapons subpar. They couldn’t run nor stop the run. This is like the 1986-87 Tom Landry era Cowboys; old and on the verge of collapse. Maybe it’s Arch Manning time in 2026. It’s getting to the point that the Steelers can’t hold onto the guys they have and still win. The next 3 years or so are going to be painful but if they draft smartly they’ll be back better than ever by decades end. They were 6-10 in 2003 and got Big Ben in 2004. You gotta be bad enough sometimes to draft difference makers
Big Ben 2004
Polamalu 2003
James Harrison 2002
Holmes 2006
Faneca 1998
Hines Ward 1998
Heath Miller 2005
Bruce Arians 2004
Dick LeBeau 1992
Mike Tomlin was hired Jan. 22, 2007. Tomlin had nothing to do with any of the people I just mentioned, yet he takes credit for that Super Bowl.
Lmaooooo at the standard, 100 more years of Tomlin plz - ravens fans
Mike shanahan was fires in denver for doing what tomlin is doing now.
And mike tomlin isnt half the coach mike shanahan is.
True to Tomlin they’re always at least just okay
We don't want to be just okay. We want to be good again. Tomlin hasn't helped in that case. We just keep getting worse and laughed at against good teams. We are the easiest team in the playoffs to get beaten badly.
Pickens might be a talented 23 yr old pass-catcher, but he also is a prolific 23 yr old pass-dropper. I'd give him a one season to fix that and any diva receiver bullshit he's getting up to, and after that I'd go find the next GM who can be conned out of a second round pick for a Steelers receiver.
Not a difficult situation. Call Tomlin into the front office and say: You are fired! I will do it if they are scared.
I think its pretty obvious to anyone that's a serious person that mike Tomlin is one of the better head coaches in football but at the end of the day if you're the Steelers you cant keep banging your head against the wall and hoping something changes.
I can’t stand the defense of Mike Tomlin anymore, the guy should’ve been fired years ago.
The steelers at least made the post season over my bengals, who had MVP caliber season from Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase. So much for having an elite QB.
10 wins with a legit bottom 5 roster in the NFL. I will never understand why people ignore how bad this team is talentwise, the Steelers have a single good unit. It's actually black magic to have not gone 4-13 this year. I think the team needs to do a better job of talent acquisition and development, if you think Tomlin is getting what he wants in this regard then I'm willing to listen to that argument. But you can't let Omar Khan and ownership off the hook either. The whole thing is decayed, and it's the drive to succeed that even gets them a mid tier season every year.
So, I’m going to say this about the idea of Aaron Rodgers Playing for the Steelers. Look what happened with the Jets. Wilson may request a trade if Rodgers stays ( last I’ve heard). He wasn’t truly clicking with the receivers minus Adam’s. How the fuck you think he’s gonna work out when his best WR is Pickens?
Thry should trade up for jeanty and run a run heavy/option offense with fields. That way they actually get some production out of theyre neutered offense
Are you serious? The guy has a winning record EVERY year and two SB appearances. Go ask Jags, Panthers, Jets, Giants, Cardinals, Saints, Dolphins, Browns, Texans, Bears, Titans, Cowboys, Lions, Redskins - pretty much any team in Tomlin's career that hasnt had a generational QB. When the Steelers did have that, they won 2 Super Bowls. (First title with Ben had Cowher at HC)
I absolutely hate the Steelers. But I dont think you're truly grasping how difficult it is to win in the league.
Head coach is not the problem. It’s the general manager Mike Tomlin does not have the offensive weapons to compete with the contenders in the AFC. It’s just that simple. The Rooney hired him for him to be their coach until he decides to hang it up and go somewhere else or retire that’s how it works. The Rooney don’t cave into media head pressure half of them don’t know football or fans knee-jerk just stupid reactions. That’s why they’re one of the best franchisees going in American sports.
This same thing mike been doing for twenty years Barely squeak by over five hundred lose the first playoff game 😮
TJ Watt should demand a trade
When’s the “what’s next” Vikings video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The standard is the standard
I have some ideas as a Steelers fan, I’ll watch the video and come back
Edit: I agree the Steelers had no fight. Every team in the playoffs this year came out guns blazing hitting hard getting hyped, the Steelers were dead.
Mike Tomlin isn’t leaving even though I think it’s time, so OC and DC need to be gone. I’m not sold on Justin but I think we should field him, no pun intended. Get fields out there, draft receivers and corners. Get a young hot OC who can scheme up some beautiful plays similar to the ravens, lions, etc.
I say trade Pickens for sure, and load up on picks. Sign tee higgins or some other great receiver.
And this is dire but if we really like one of the top qbs trade TJ Watt and picks and get up into the top 3, but maybe that waits until 2026
Also I don’t like Sam, I think that is mostly KOC being a good coach. Russ needs to be cut, lets run it with Justin and maybe get a young qb to back him up and maybe he can be the guy idk
I think John Harbaugh should be in the discussion as well. Even when he has a loaded roster he takes his foot off the gas in key moments. If he cant make the SB this year, he should be fired. As a Ravens fan, Id much rather have Mike Tomlin at the helm over John Harbaugh.
Well, this is the jagged pill o knew I didn’t want to swallow. Nevertheless, thank you for the content. It is much appreciated!
Steelers dont need to fire tomlin but they need to change how the spend to build their roster and they need to invest in a perennial qb talent