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Do you remember after gene chizik left that when kirby smart almost got hired by Auburn when they hired malzahn that the stipulation if they hired him was he couldn't coach for bama vs Notre dame and he insisted on coaching it and that didn't sit well with them and gus probably might have still been hired anyway but people forget smart was a serious option in 2012
This would be worth revisiting. I think we learned a lot about a number of programs over the course of this season and especially the coaching search. I also would find it interesting if you included the future SEC programs.
#13 is harsh but in reality, probably close. The recruiting base is the biggest disadvantage at Arkansas. And recruiting is the key to success in SEC. I'd have them closer to #10, but that's me.
As a Tennessee fan I was mad seeing Kentucky above SC, Ole Miss, and Miss St and one spot behind us. But it's only so high because the expectations are so low. 😂😂😂
Auburn I think if they won in 2013 could have taken it Clemson level because they are a unique special school but I wanna see how Kevin Steele does now that all the will muschamp recruits are gone at Auburn
Florida would never be above lsu to me because to much in state rivals from fsu and miami. lsu can recruit from Houston to the Alabama border with very little resistance.
KY is definitely Much to Lowe on your list and are still on the rise with the best recruiting class in school history the best is still to come for the cats
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Being the head football coach at Auburn has to be the most unstable job in the world. One wrong glance at Bobby Louder and you are gone. Should be down graded for that.
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Just curious, if this list was developed in 2011, would you still have Arkansas at 13. I just feel like you said you weren’t going to rank them off of their recent performances, and then you did. Arkansas has some of the best facilities in the country, and plenty of money to continue to upgrade. Also, Fayetteville is continually ranked as the top SEC college town to live in, and usually ranked in the top 10 nationally. I know their recruiting hasn’t been the greatest, but I think Sam Pittman will shoe that it can be done.
As a Georgia fan, i totally agree. Arkansas is a great program and with the right coach can easily compete with LSU and Bama. Only thing holding y’all back is Arkansas by itself is not a great recruiting state and facilities need improvement
In a Pre-Jimbo world I agree with you, one being Kevin never really recruited LA, nor any coach before him. I can think of one 5 star from LA that did go to A&M during the Sumlin era with Speedy Noil. But with Jimbo he is pulling kids from every state. Just last week he got a 4 star from Philadelphia. So im interested to see what happens in the next few years with him as Head Coach.
@@ckmckeon Not really correct because I remember well that Travis Etienne had previously committed to Kevin Sumlin and A&M before later decommitting, throwing the bird at LSU, and then committing to Clemson. What I'm also interested to see is what happens now that A&M has been placed on probation.
@@ckmckeon Etienne's recruiting ranking are immaterial. As you said Sumlin never recruited Louisiana and you didn't say anything about recruiting five stars. However, you did mention former five star Speedy Noil, who was a bust, was also signed by Sumlin. So stop trying to lie about what you said. You were first wrong about what you said and then you are lying about what you said the second time. In other words, you are a major ignoramus on steroids.
@@bullfrog5037 "One being Kevin never really recruited LA, nor any coach before him. I can think of one 5 star from LA that did go to A&M during the Sumlin era"... I mean it's simple to actually comprehend what the words say. Sumlin never really recruited LA, He had ONE 5 star in Speedy, and lost Travis. So out of the 6 years Sumlin was at A&M he recruited less than a handful. I think you are just an idiot who doesn't know how to read.
As a Tennessee fan, it is interesting to look at this now, in early November 2022, as we get ranked in the top nationally. Yes, certainly, the branding issue, two years ago, was catastrophic from a recruiting standpoint. How much does that change, with us getting all the press, now. Do recruits see a top ranked team, without the years of top level recruiting classes, which might mean that a freshman might have more opportunity to start early?
As an Ole Miss fan I have to say it's better than MSU simply because of Oxford but I digress. Would you be interested in revisiting this segment? NIL has changed things, the transfer portal has changed things, and Texas and Oklahoma are about to join. Since this video LSU, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi state, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Mizzou have changed their coaches. I appreciate the work you do!
I think Arkansas job is better than Mississippi jobs, Because state is not split. Recruiting is harder. But fans unreasonable expectations just kill it.
People have commented it once, and I'll comment it again.. Arkansas at 13? Sorry, what? Arkansas has some of the best facilities in college football and continuously upgrades them. The university is located in the #1 SEC town, and really, one of the best college towns in America. The team has tradition, not as much as Alabama/LSU/Florida, but they still have loads of college football history. Money is of no object at Arkansas. I've heard you talk about Auburn's lumber money, well, Arkansas has Walmart AND Jerry Jones money. The best part is that there are no in-state rivals to Arkansas. All of the in-state recruits are yours at Arkansas (albeit, there aren't many good ones). The biggest downsides to the Arkansas job are really just the fact that you compete in the SEC West, talent in state is subpar, and expectations run very high throughout the Natural State. There's no way Arkansas is a worse job that Ole Miss/Mississippi State/Missouri/South Carolina.
Oxford is regularly voted a better college town than Fayetteville. And the job is at least on par with Arkansas. They just have to deal with the other school in the same state.
Mizzou grad. Our facilities are much improved, but the access to talent has always been tough. Missouri's best HS players are in STL and KC, each is 2 hours away from Columbia, and you compete against the Big 12 and Big 10. The other issue is money. Big name coaches cost big money and will not come to Mizzou. Thus you end up poaching mid major coaches and hope for the best. We got extremely lucky with Pinkel. Jury is out on Drinkwitz. We shall see. But 8 to 9 wins and I am happy. Two SEC championship games felt like we hit the lottery. But with that came higher ticket prices, stadium expansion and Upgrades. We have to pay for that and it is not always easy to get your fan base to travel hundreds of miles for home games...against SEMO. Hard to argue with you.
Every prospect around there gus probobly has more of a inside track on since hes a Arkansas high school coaching legend and his recruitment of Michael Dyer out of little rock the top back in the nation that year and top 10 overall prospect paired with newton and a all senior offensive line and you can see why they had sec rushing records
Honestly, any winning tradition Arkansas had is pretty irrelevant now. They haven’t won anything big in years. They also haven’t been able to make the same pitch to Texas kids since A&M joined the conference.
The best job in CFB. IOWA STATE "from a coaches perspective" why 1) you go to a bowl 2 times over a 5 year period people will say you did a great job 2) fan base. They have realistic expectations and very loyal. 3) your salary is a million dollars in "L"ames iowa(cheap living) 4) the big 12 after Oklahoma, is wide open . ISU had a conference record of 5-4 and finished 3rd in the conference 5) the media. Michigan and UGA have been winning 10+ games a season on average and you have media calling for change. The ISU media won't say anything negative unless it's a dumpster fire. 6) the athletic director. Jammie Paulered is one of the best in the nation. ( and that's coming from a hawkeye fan) 7)you could be a legend. ISU doesnt have much good history. arguably Matt Campbell is one off the greatest parts off ISU football history and he still hasn't beat the hawkeyes yet.
Georgia sells them self as we are like alabama but they basically tell recruits to go to bama just as much as them that's what recruits have said before
I put Arkansas at 6 or 7. Facilities are ahead of everyone in the bottom half. Money also not an issue with Tyson's, Walmart, Stephen's, and Hog alum Jerry Jones at the Cowboys. 2 Top 10 Finishes in the last decade and a BCS Bowl. Even Beilima had a 9 win season. The hard part is navigating recruiting in Texas. Since A&M joined the SEC it's hurt Arkansas, even though historically Arkansas has been a stronger National team than the Aggies. There is just now way Kentucky, SC, Ole Piss, Miss State, and Mizz are better Football setinations that Arkansas.
1. Alabama - All they have is Alabama football as it relates to sports. LITERALLY 2. LSU - Winning tradition (3x champs in 17 yrs); talent hotbed (LA and Southeast Texas) 3. Florida -The most talent rich state, would need a strong willed head coach to recruit and challenge administration 4. UGA - Talent hotbed (GA); Administration has finally got onboard the "whatever it takes train" 5. Auburn - Basically replicates and tries to refine everything Alabama does. Issues with administration may arise 6. Texas A&M - Haven't put a winning formula together even with all the money and resources and it's College Station 7. Tennessee - Their winning tradition is more folklore at this point, need the right person atop to challenge administration
The reasoning for UK over SC only makes sense if you’re a non-competitor and since we’re talking about a premier coach weighing his options you have to imagine he’s a competitor. Spurrier gave SC four 11 win seasons in a row before the playoffs existed...at least one of those teams would have made the top 4 imo. If spurrier was 15 years younger we’re onto something special, meaning the “right guy” would have our program competing for championships along with the rest of cluster A
Yes, I totally agree! SC got Spurrier about 5 years, probably realistically 10 years too late. The facilities at South Carolina since Spurrier, are on-par with Any team in the Nation. That is something that Spurrier brought to South Carolina, which is that you have to invest in your program. Now with a young, hungry, and committed Coach in Beamer. South Carolina is in a position to vault into the next level, but will they is the question. As a Gamecock Fan I sure hope so! GO Cocks!
I would also add that Spurrier got the University to open its pockets and saw results. I think they are just waiting for the right person to open them up further. Hopefully Beamer is the guy that does it.
In my opinion Kentucky is a top-five job in the SEC. Like you mentioned, lower expectations and high pay. Also can compete for a national title in the next decade if everything goes right. Recruiting and facilities are increasing year after year. This year will have a top 10 recruiting class and they just keep getting better every year. Definitely the sleeper IMO
@@tboyd2495 Saying UK is a Top 5 job in the SEC is laughable. They won’t win the East any time soon let alone a Natty. Calipari was right, it’s a basketball school.
@@RuralVol the point on why its great is that you get paid well and there is little pressure to do well. they wont win the east or the natty in the next 20 years but they'll get 2nd or 3rd in the east and be content with that. the amount of pressure these coaches go through takes a toll on them.
I cannot wait for you to update this later this year. When you do, maybe out of factor for the crazy boosters? I'm thinking what you see with the Longhorns and what's currently going on with Auburn.
I gotta put Ole Miss above Miss State just bc they have recently been a receiver factory if I’m taking over at a typically slightly subpar school give me a position I can automatically recruit it’s a huge building block for recruiting QBs especially
UF does need to address upgrades to the Swamp. I think tradition is there. Consistency also; only 2 losing seasons since 1979. The "brand" is highly recognized and of course you are in the state of Florida so recruiting capabilities speak for themselves. I think there are 2 areas that I would add in UF's favor. The overall athletic program. From top to bottom I don't think it can be rivaled in the SEC, not to mention UF and Stanford are the only schools in the country to be ranked in the top 10 athletic prograns every single year since the rankings were started in 1984. Secondly is academics. UF is currently the 7th ranked public university in the country. UF has recently completed new facilities and upgrades for baseball, softball, basketball, volleyball, and gymnastics so yeah foltball needs to get on board. The new indoor facility and future training facility are going to help. This would be my list.. 1) Alabama 2) LSU 3) Georgia 4) Florida 5) Auburn 6) Texas A&M 7) Tennessee 8) Kentucky 9) South Carolina 10) Missouri 11) Arkansas 12) Ole Miss 13) Mississippi State 14) Vanderbilt Love your channel. Have a good one. Go Gators!! Go Jags!!
What does it say about the position of your football program as far as 247Sports is concerned when Josh doesn't even bother to go into details about why/why not take the head coaching job? South Carolina has an Auburn-like issue - at least the last six years - Clemson. South Carolina is and has made investments in the program; however, with the exception of last year's result in Athens, it is not consistently paying off on the field.
You ask this question 2 years from now and I believe the order changes especially at the bottom. As Gary Pinkel proved a few years ago you can win win at Mizzou. A younger and better recruiter in Eli Drinkwitz will get better and better recruiting classes as he wins. They key is will Mizzou pay him and make it destination not jumping off point.
Yeah, keeping kids in state is something Missouri has never seen before. If Drinkwitz can win like that he will have laid a blueprint for Missouri for years to come. As a Bama fan I’ve always felt like Missouri has a lot of potential just never discovered it.
Possibly it could rise because because there isn't a lot of recruiting resistance around you, but I don't know how much talent is in Kentucky missouri and kansas.
Mississippi State and Alabama are geographically the two closest SEC colleges at a mere 80 miles apart. But in terms of success at the college football level, they couldn’t be farther apart. Why is that?
Well I think you have to move up Mizzou and Arkansas a little. They've both greatly upped their facilities. All the things Gary pinkel tried getting and got told no to, Drink is getting yesses to now. Same with Pitman at Arkansas.
1) UGA is great because disappointment has been their daily bread for 40 years now. All you have to do is get close one time and you've given a Georgia fan something to excitedly talk about for the rest of their life. Yet, they are desperate to win and willing to spend the resources to make that happen. Great access to recruits and Georgia Tech is clueless as in-state competition. 2) LSU has a pretty good lock on surprisingly good in state talent in addition to what they bring in regionally. They have shown a lot of understanding after bad seasons. 3) Florida has expectations and in-state competition, but being in Florida makes up for that. Recruiting should be easier than it has been for the last couple coaches. They finally got an athletic director willing to spend money. 4) Alabama has a perfect system in place. But, the expectation couldn't be higher. The next coach is practically guaranteed to be a disappointment and likely fired within 3 years. If Saban's final 2 seasons are a disaster maybe that gives his successor time to adjust. That might bump the job up to #2 or #3. 5) Texas A&M- the money. And Texas seems almost willing to hand the state away. I'm not sure who you go with for #6. Tennessee or Auburn makes sense. But being the clear cut second best team in Alabama, or being in Knoxville Tennessee are both difficult tasks.
Been watching Arkansas since 1971. UA has no business being in the SEC. Said that when we joined, sayin it now. Too bad we're stuck because of money. Too bad the miss. schools and mizzou and ark and vandy were beneath your time. Seems if you are going to rank the schools you should comment on them all.
Alabama is always good cause they cheat they pay their players period they just don't get caught why do you think they are good year after year I hate Alabama I'm a cane fan
1 and 2 are pretty much interchangeable that I would have a hard time choosing between. I also agree with LSU being slightly above TAMU. The Aggies have all the money and resources to top LSU but they put almost zero effort in establishing recruiting pipelines outside of Texas lol
As the man said, it’s not about money only, it’s ALL factors. One large one factor TAM doesn’t have….tradition, not the milk men doing their little gig ‘em signs, football tradition dating way back. But, I do like the way the band weaves in and out of one another, best away trip every had was at College Station.
The baseball stadium at Florida is being relocated in order to build a massive new practice facility. Give it a few years for construction and Florida's facilities won't be an issue.
I think Georgia, Bama, and LSU are on their own level right now and have been for a while. They are poised to get the best recruits in the nation (in LSU's case, regardless of country #Australianpunters), world class facilities, and sustained success. My biggest point is sustained success. Bama has been historically amazing, besides the decade before Saban, but Georgia has been, on a talent level, remarkable with Richt and with Smart. LSU is the ONLY school to have won a national championship with EACH of its 3 most recent coaches. They always have the talent there, its just who can put it together. And you can argue the same thing about Georgia and Bama, hence why I put them on a seperate tier. To round out the top 5, Id say Florida is the most poised to get on that next level, followed by A&M. A&M might have the better facilities, but they cant seem to get the talent they attract there to compete. Just my take.
@@savagesouth1806 and bama wasn’t setting the world on fire in the 2000s prior to Saban arriving. Bama fans should do the same damn thing pal. Oh, very incorrect about LSU being Vandy, do your research bud. LSUs all time record, 793-413-47. Vandy, 550-624-43. So close right? Idiot. LSU is 5th all time in wins among SEC teams. It’s apparent you never attended a college course. 🙄
@@savagesouth1806 I know this is a year ago but this has to be a joke right? LSU was Vandy before saban?? We are the 15th winningest program in history as winning percentage and 12th in overall wins. We won the 1958 national title under Dietzel and went undefeated and won the SEC in 1961. We won the SEC In 1970 under Mclendon who coached us for 18 years. We went to 13 bowl games during his time (and should’ve been 14 but we declined invites hoping for the cotton bowl and didn’t get it) This was back when there were only a handful of bowl games and you had to be no worse than 2 and sometimes 3 losses to even get invited. Anyways mclendon had a .675 winning percentage and a couple seasons where we lost to Alabama with Bear Bryant costing us an SEC title. LSU had some decent years and a couple SEC titles in the 80s then we sucked for most of the 90s and then Saban comes. Yes Saban did kickstart what LSU is now but by no means was LSU on the same level as Vanderbilt before he got here. Also it doesn’t discount the work successive coaching staffs put into winning more titles after he left.
@@immadawgwoof Tennessee has Memphis, Kentucky has Louisville, Louisiana has Tech and UL. There is literally no other D-1 football program in Missouri other than Mizzou. That job should be ranked higher.
Georgia has 4 division 1 schools Georgia, Georgia tech, Georgia State(just got a football program in the last few years) and Georgia southern (who just made the jump to division 1) forgot to mention Georgia tech academic standards are way to high to get the best talent I had a brother that graduated from there with a engineering degree they have curriculum that makes calculas look easier than basic arithmetic in a nut shell Georgia has no competion from inside the state of Georgia when it comes to recruiting
Gator fan here. I can’t argue with the list. I was kinda shock to see Kentucky above Carolina because I think Carolina has better recruiting grounds. But at the same time. 5 mil for 7 wins to live in Lexington Kentucky is pretty attractive lol.
Top Jobs Criteria 1. Facilities 2. Recruiting Base 3. Tradition 4. Salary Isn’t it all about winning championships to a coach? No way Georgia is above Alabama. Too many trophies? Cmon man. Alabama has the best of the best and I am a Florida fan. Current coach shouldn’t affect ranking. Coaches come and go. Alabama recruits nationally so their state recruiting is not as important. How many times has it been Alabama vs Florida in the SEC Championship game? That says it all. Don’t get too wrapped up in recent history. Florida has the facilities come 2022. Florida has more tradition than Georgia. Florida has a better state recruiting base. The poaching of the best talent will stop. AD Foley killed us by not spending, but that’s over. How many times in the SEC Championship? How many titles? LSU has a much better tradition than Georgia. LSU has a better state recruiting base. They own their state and poach. Their facilities are dam good. Florida and LSU are interchangeable, but I’m a 🐊. Texas A&M has everything in spades but tradition. In fact they will be above Georgia soon unless Kirby wins the NC. Georgia has the facilities. It’s a good to great talent base that they don’t have to share too much. GT sucks. But no NC since 1980. 40 years ago! Win and they move up. I’m not saying Kirby hasn’t done a great job recruiting so far but he hasn’t won the big one. Until then no way No. 1. 1. Alabama 2. Florida 3. LSU 4. Georgia 5. Texas A&M 6. Auburn/Tennessee 8 -13 Who cares? Don’t have a chance.Ole Miss, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri 14. Vandy
Adam Tankersley I guess you weren’t listening. Josh ask listeners to post your ranking and why. Not salty. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. They are like aholes. Everyone has one.
Lol Bama didn't recruit "nationally " pre Saban. Also Alabama doesn't have near the in state talent of Georgia, Florida, or Louisiana. They also have a huge in state SEC recruiting rival and way less money than UGA. You are trying to base best job on number of national championship. You're also probably in your early 20s and don't realize how Bama was pre Saban. It's not the easy job you think it is.
Also a Florida fan but for me it would be Bama 1, LSU 2, Florida at 3, and Georgia a close 4th (cuz look at those recruiting classes) but Georgia doesn’t have the history, record or trophy case to back up that talent like Bama does
Just watched this and noticed the date. Now I wonder if these rankings have changed after the events of the season and all of the changes that have been made?
@@wickedroller I would argue it has always been about resources. Historically A&M has won some titles, but it pales in comparison to schools that at the time had more stars aligned. In the modern world, money, ease of travel, internet, social media, TV deals, NIL, etc. It's hard to argue that A&M isn't primed as well as anyone else if not more given the size of many of these things on top of the massive alumni base. We've seen these factors propel them to places they've not been in a long time. Can it reach the top? Time will only tell, but they certainly have the tools now better than ever.
Absolutely agree about your top four. (Frankly, the entire list.) Great work. And frankly, great question. Jimbo is trying to recruit nationally, but it will take time.
"Texas A&M has not made an effort to recruit nationally" ummm have you looked at Jimbo's classes? He will go anywhere. The current class has 11 of the recruits out of state, 8 of them ranked in to top 102
Obviously times have changed, but the argument for me of UGA over Alabama would be in state talent. Saban has built a lot of his teams off of Georgia talent. Honestly I think that’s how Kirby hurt them the most cause they lost a lot on inroads in to the state when he switched. Honestly that’s why I think Mark was fired cause you got tired of seeing Georgia 4/5 stars going to Alabama and then here comes Dano competing for a chip and he’s got Georgia talent too.
Agreed, I think Josh favored recent history with A&M here a bit too much. No way Florida is lower than A&M with access to talent, finances, brand, etc.
Anyone want to know what the difference is between the SEC East and the SEC West? In the SEC East, Kirby can recruit but he can't coach and Mullen can coach but he can't recruit. Meanwhile, in the SEC West both Nick Saban and Ed O can do both coach and recruit and that's the difference.
SEC West recruiting is just insane. A few years ago LSU had like the 5th or 6th ranked class in the nation, and it was only the 4th ranked class in the SEC West. 😂
I think you did a good job. I can't say that you're far off on any of it. I think the top 3 are elite when it comes to resources and facilities. I may have to put A&M in that group to. I just feel like there's something missing there.
Gotta disagree here with Texas A&M and Auburn being over Tennessee. Vols facilities are better, both A&M and Auburn have to compete for in state talent with bigger/better in state schools, and Tennessee has more championships and all time wins (regarding your 4th criteria). Florida at 4, Tennessee at 5, at least. But imo LSU, Florida, and Tennessee are all debatable. Then A&M and Auburn.
Tennessee and ark have a lot in common. Only real University in state with good facilities but not located in part of states where best recruits are or in states with huge recruiting pool of 4 and 5 star athletes. Both have fans with unreasonable expectations. Tennessee is in a better division but both have challenges getting back into top group.
@@jimevert7099 Tradition at Ark is nowhere near Tennessee in my opinion. And Tennessee has a good pipeline into Georgia for talent, as well as North and South Carolina to a lesser extent. Facilities and finances also light-years ahead at Tennessee. Tennessee fans definitely tend to have unreasonable expectations, but they have way more right to have high expectations compared to Arkansas, in my opinion.
I think you are under estimating Arkansas when it come to tradition a bit . It's easy to do since a bunch was in the swc. I think Tennessee is a better job but not by much because I think it's fan expectations are unreasonable. The new SEC is not same animal it was ten years ago and both ark and ten are not going to be as successful as they once were. I think being in East gives Tennessee an advantage What do u measure tradition by. Because neither have been significant in any recruits lifetime
JOSH! HERE IS AN ACTUAL REBUTTAL! The point that Kentucky is a “cushy job” and Lexington, KY “isn’t a bad place to live” can be appointed to every team in the second cluster. Ole Miss’s last two head coach (Freeze and Kiffin) have found incredible success with recruiting, facilities and results on the field. Now.. 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern. Ole Miss fans are happy with 7-8 wins, Oxford, Mississippi is a beautiful place to live, North Mississippi is severely underrated as a residential destination. Cheap, beautiful, Memphis and Nashville aren’t far, and Ole Miss has some of the most beautiful girls in the country. That’s great for recruiting (or if you’re Bobby Petrino). I fully agree with cluster 1, but Ole Miss should be tied with USC at 8.
Georgia might spend like Bama, recruit like Bama, look like Bama, beg people to treat them like Bama, they can even believe they're Bama, but Kirby is just another Richt until be beats the man.
I would out Georgia third. I mean seriously, last natty for them was in 1980. The parents of these kids were just being born when that tool place. I would have a tie between Bama and LSU. Bama has a bigger brand and more hardware and is a great program. However I believe Saban has a much bigger effect on Bama , then Bama's effect on Saban. I would lean towards LSU for 4 reasons. 1. Tiger Stadium, 2. They are the only school in LA so don't have sister school competition. 3. Have strong tentacles into Florida and Texas. 4. Nick Saban said it was the best job. Had he not left for the NFL, LSU would be a dynasty of dynasties. So I have LSU, BAMA, Georgia, Florida, A&M, Auburn,Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, Vandy.
Did you not here what he said🤔 It's not based on winning. It's based on the 4 things he said and ga would be #1. GA is the #1 College town in America. It has the best high school talent for the size of its state. The only other states to have more 4 and 5 star recruitment on average is California, Texas, Florida. GA can recruit all those. GA has the best facilities. And they have funding. It has everything you need. It just starting g getting all the funding and facilities with Kirby. Pay attention.
Going into video: Alabama coordinator, it feels like we can't keep em for more than 2 years at this point. Not to mention I can name 4 of them off the top of my head that are now coaches/coached
First viewing of the rankings: T-7 makes almost too much sense, but I feel like Missouri, and Mississippi State are all ready to explode/re-explode with the right coach.
Not bad and can't argue much - but have thought A&M was the best job in college football for past 30 years. They have all what it takes to win & the coach who comes in and gets them a title will be treated like a God. Don't cheer for the Aggies, but always thought they had best combo of factors for perennial top-5 program: Fan base, money, recruiting, facilities, money, and more money.
South Carolina is Easley a top 5-7 Football best Job you look at the talent we can pull from North Carolina. South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma. LSU, Maryland, and surrounding area's we could be a top 5 distention, just have to have the right guy for the job and I believe we found him. Beamer Ball! Go Gamecocks!
As a UGA fan, I'd still argue Bama is a better job. I understand what Josh is saying, but Bama coaches get whatever they want and have better facilities.
Florida should be higher than five, Florida has by far the best high school football players In the country which makes it the most fertile recruiting ground.
@@charleslowe2095 doesn’t matter what one school has, Texas has at least 3 times more 4 star recruits then what Florida has, if u don’t believe me, check the 247 sports state recruits
@@charleslowe2095 Im a Gator fan but I disagree. The state of Florida has the most talent no doubt, but we just cant seem to get those recruits to actually play for us sadly
I’m confused as to why you put Arkansas so low on this list. You can win there. Not that long ago they were competing at a high level. If you get the right coach in there the have just as high of a ceiling as anybody in my opinion.
@@jerradguillory7909 but Arkansas is also surrounded by some of the best recruiting states in the entire nation, it’s not as bad as it looks, and Arkansas still still produces a couple of four stars each year, not great, but not a terrible recruiting state either
South Carolina has beautiful sports and academic facilities for its student athletes. That investment began under Spurrier and continues to this day. If Auburn, Florida or Tennessee have nicer facilities than SC I am not aware of it. The financial commitment is definitely there. Do they have an easy path to success as they go head to head with GA for top recruits? Certainly not. Another video topic might be ‘What are the top 10 characteristics of a consistently successful College Football program? Then do a re-ranking based on those measurables. I’d say you put far too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on a Coach’s ability to assemble a great staff and maintain continuity.
I believe you are pretty on par but I would move Auburn up one above Texas A&M because they have won a SEC title been to another, been to two national championships, and I look at being in the same state as Alabama a plus because it pushes Auburn to be better. Texas A&M has done none of these things.
Does a coach's competence/capabilities/savvy/acumen mean anything? Or has college football evolved into the programs with the most investment and/or the most talent are your champions?
I have to disagree with you having Kentucky and South Carolina over Arkansas or Ole Miss. Arkansas has Walmart and Jerry Jones money, plus a rocking fan base. Ole Miss is all in on Football, they have possibly the best game day experience in CFB, and consistently a contender in the LOADED SEC West.
Tennessee fell of the cliff because they no longer can recruit top players from California, Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. Those days are long gone, and its brand is as well. The state is not known for a hotspot for high school talent. The handful of players that are 4-5 stars are signing with Alabama, Georgia, etc. Same thing happened to Nebraska. What brand does Tennessee really sell itself on? A chance to go to the Music City bowl?
No.. we fell off because we had a revolving door of coaches that didn’t know what they were doing. We haven’t had a recruiting class outside the top 15 in years. The problem has been coaching. Those 2015-16 teams should’ve won the East easily but they didn’t because of poor coaching. I mean currently we have the second best class in the SEC but we just went 8-5
You missed the boat by a long shot. You did not do your research very well. As far as resources go, TX A&M has more money than the entire SEC combined with the exception of Univ of TX. This is public information.
It’s all about who the coach is for the first “cluster”. There’s little difference unless a coach has a friend as the president of the NCAA…cough*saban/emmert
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You should consider doing it for each power 5 conference
Do you remember after gene chizik left that when kirby smart almost got hired by Auburn when they hired malzahn that the stipulation if they hired him was he couldn't coach for bama vs Notre dame and he insisted on coaching it and that didn't sit well with them and gus probably might have still been hired anyway but people forget smart was a serious option in 2012
Just out of curiosity does anyone know how much investment/support Steve Spurrier got from the higher ups at South Carolina?
They invented other conferences besides the SEC you know?
Bama is not number 2 to anybody
Since Pat Dye retired, every Auburn head coach has had an undefeated season and/or played for the National Title. That is an ability to win big.
But they can only do it once. What separates Saban from other coaches. Sustainability
And won ONE natty the past 60 years, pump the brakes. 😂
@@savagesouth1806 not everyone can pay players and get by with it.
Yes, but only upon occasion. That's why each one of those coaches were shoved put the door.
This would be worth revisiting. I think we learned a lot about a number of programs over the course of this season and especially the coaching search. I also would find it interesting if you included the future SEC programs.
Win 7 average games a year at Ark and you can stay a long time
Win 7 a year there and they expect to be winning 10. They ran Nutt off for that.
I’d even say 5-6 games...were so bad😂
#13 is harsh but in reality, probably close. The recruiting base is the biggest disadvantage at Arkansas. And recruiting is the key to success in SEC. I'd have them closer to #10, but that's me.
That wont happen.
Or they can play Mercer every year like Bama
As a Tennessee fan I was mad seeing Kentucky above SC, Ole Miss, and Miss St and one spot behind us. But it's only so high because the expectations are so low. 😂😂😂
Bringing Fulmer back was a wise move. He commands respect. He's giving Pruitt the space to build that program back up right.
@HeMan4Ever very fair. Good football is a good expectation for UK. Stoops has turned that program around.
Stoops would be a problem if he had a large program at his helm
Auburn I think if they won in 2013 could have taken it Clemson level because they are a unique special school but I wanna see how Kevin Steele does now that all the will muschamp recruits are gone at Auburn
Eric Sigersmith Muschamp was at Auburn for 1 year... Lol
would be interesting to see how this list would change after the season.
That's a good idea. We will have to remind Josh to do this again next year
It changed A LOT!
After looking back at it now Man he was right on
1.Alabama
2. UGA
3. UF
4. LSU
5. TAMU
6. Auburn
7. Tennessee
8. Ole Miss
9. SCar
10. Arkansas
11. Missouri
12. Kentucky
13. Miss. St.
14. Vanderbilt
This makes a lot more sense to me
Florida would never be above lsu to me because to much in state rivals from fsu and miami. lsu can recruit from Houston to the Alabama border with very little resistance.
KY is definitely Much to Lowe on your list and are still on the rise with the best recruiting class in school history the best is still to come for the cats
Being the head football coach at Auburn has to be the most unstable job in the world. One wrong glance at Bobby Louder and you are gone. Should be down graded for that.
Do this for each conference
Real talk: Josh is the ideal mix of media savvy, on-air honesty, and football knowledge for a radio / podcast host.
I think I’ve said this before, but in my opinion this show (plus Barton and Bud) are the best ways to stay plugged into the CFB landscape.
On Wisconsin !
Just curious, if this list was developed in 2011, would you still have Arkansas at 13. I just feel like you said you weren’t going to rank them off of their recent performances, and then you did.
Arkansas has some of the best facilities in the country, and plenty of money to continue to upgrade. Also, Fayetteville is continually ranked as the top SEC college town to live in, and usually ranked in the top 10 nationally. I know their recruiting hasn’t been the greatest, but I think Sam Pittman will shoe that it can be done.
And in 2021, Sam Pittman has made Arkansas a bowl eligible team.
Make that an 8-4 regular season top 25 program.
As a Georgia fan, i totally agree. Arkansas is a great program and with the right coach can easily compete with LSU and Bama. Only thing holding y’all back is Arkansas by itself is not a great recruiting state and facilities need improvement
@@griffroundtree8225 no disrespect, but it doesn’t seem like you’ve been to Arkansas, especially if you think their facilities need improvements.
@@michaelparsons541 Arkansas still isn’t recruiting well enough to be a consistently good team in the future
Like you alluded to, it would be hard for A&M to get a Louisiana guy to commit but a lot easier for LSU to go and get a Texan
In a Pre-Jimbo world I agree with you, one being Kevin never really recruited LA, nor any coach before him. I can think of one 5 star from LA that did go to A&M during the Sumlin era with Speedy Noil. But with Jimbo he is pulling kids from every state. Just last week he got a 4 star from Philadelphia. So im interested to see what happens in the next few years with him as Head Coach.
@@ckmckeon Not really correct because I remember well that Travis Etienne had previously committed to Kevin Sumlin and A&M before later decommitting, throwing the bird at LSU, and then committing to Clemson.
What I'm also interested to see is what happens now that A&M has been placed on probation.
Bullfrog Travis was a 4 star per 24/7 and 3 star per rivals. So like I said I can think of Kevin recruiting one 5 star.
@@ckmckeon Etienne's recruiting ranking are immaterial. As you said Sumlin never recruited Louisiana and you didn't say anything about recruiting five stars. However, you did mention former five star Speedy Noil, who was a bust, was also signed by Sumlin. So stop trying to lie about what you said. You were first wrong about what you said and then you are lying about what you said the second time. In other words, you are a major ignoramus on steroids.
@@bullfrog5037 "One being Kevin never really recruited LA, nor any coach before him. I can think of one 5 star from LA that did go to A&M during the Sumlin era"... I mean it's simple to actually comprehend what the words say. Sumlin never really recruited LA, He had ONE 5 star in Speedy, and lost Travis. So out of the 6 years Sumlin was at A&M he recruited less than a handful. I think you are just an idiot who doesn't know how to read.
Can we, or will we, get an update for this in the near future? Curious if there are any changes after the season and spring at this point
florida should be ranked higher; tier 1 academics, great florida weather, great program, great ad now, and a great pitch to recruits
Recruits should wanna play for Florida more than Georgia ecspecially on offense
You guys got crack heads running around tho😂😂😂
H Street Boards I’m a UF fan and ur not lying🤣
eric sigersmith name 1 QB RB or WR drafted in the first Rd from Fla in the last 3 years.
@@corey-26h14 he said should; mullen hasn't had too much time to settle in, and he's still killing it, and also we have a fucking shit rb recruiter
As a LSU fan that seems like a pretty fair list to me based on your criteria. Great video man keep it up.
Lol
As a Tennessee fan, it is interesting to look at this now, in early November 2022, as we get ranked in the top nationally. Yes, certainly, the branding issue, two years ago, was catastrophic from a recruiting standpoint. How much does that change, with us getting all the press, now. Do recruits see a top ranked team, without the years of top level recruiting classes, which might mean that a freshman might have more opportunity to start early?
As an Ole Miss fan I have to say it's better than MSU simply because of Oxford but I digress. Would you be interested in revisiting this segment? NIL has changed things, the transfer portal has changed things, and Texas and Oklahoma are about to join. Since this video LSU, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi state, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Mizzou have changed their coaches. I appreciate the work you do!
I think Arkansas job is better than Mississippi jobs, Because state is not split. Recruiting is harder. But fans unreasonable expectations just kill it.
People have commented it once, and I'll comment it again..
Arkansas at 13? Sorry, what? Arkansas has some of the best facilities in college football and continuously upgrades them. The university is located in the #1 SEC town, and really, one of the best college towns in America. The team has tradition, not as much as Alabama/LSU/Florida, but they still have loads of college football history. Money is of no object at Arkansas. I've heard you talk about Auburn's lumber money, well, Arkansas has Walmart AND Jerry Jones money. The best part is that there are no in-state rivals to Arkansas. All of the in-state recruits are yours at Arkansas (albeit, there aren't many good ones). The biggest downsides to the Arkansas job are really just the fact that you compete in the SEC West, talent in state is subpar, and expectations run very high throughout the Natural State.
There's no way Arkansas is a worse job that Ole Miss/Mississippi State/Missouri/South Carolina.
They're exactly where they belong
@@terrybrunk9190 why, where is ur evidence to make u think so?
Oxford is regularly voted a better college town than Fayetteville. And the job is at least on par with Arkansas. They just have to deal with the other school in the same state.
@@davidpalmer3790 I have yet to see a single media outlet put Oxford at 1 or 2. It’s Fayetteville and Athens and nobody else comes close.
Mizzou grad. Our facilities are much improved, but the access to talent has always been tough. Missouri's best HS players are in STL and KC, each is 2 hours away from Columbia, and you compete against the Big 12 and Big 10. The other issue is money. Big name coaches cost big money and will not come to Mizzou. Thus you end up poaching mid major coaches and hope for the best. We got extremely lucky with Pinkel. Jury is out on Drinkwitz. We shall see. But 8 to 9 wins and I am happy. Two SEC championship games felt like we hit the lottery. But with that came higher ticket prices, stadium expansion and Upgrades. We have to pay for that and it is not always easy to get your fan base to travel hundreds of miles for home games...against SEMO. Hard to argue with you.
Arkansas should be higher. Decent tradition. You can recruit Memphis & Texas easily.
Every prospect around there gus probobly has more of a inside track on since hes a Arkansas high school coaching legend and his recruitment of Michael Dyer out of little rock the top back in the nation that year and top 10 overall prospect paired with newton and a all senior offensive line and you can see why they had sec rushing records
Honestly, any winning tradition Arkansas had is pretty irrelevant now. They haven’t won anything big in years. They also haven’t been able to make the same pitch to Texas kids since A&M joined the conference.
They're exactly where they need to be down there with Vanderbilt
The best job in CFB. IOWA STATE "from a coaches perspective"
why
1) you go to a bowl 2 times over a 5 year period people will say you did a great job
2) fan base. They have realistic expectations and very loyal.
3) your salary is a million dollars in "L"ames iowa(cheap living)
4) the big 12 after Oklahoma, is wide open . ISU had a conference record of 5-4 and finished 3rd in the conference
5) the media. Michigan and UGA have been winning 10+ games a season on average and you have media calling for change. The ISU media won't say anything negative unless it's a dumpster fire.
6) the athletic director. Jammie Paulered is one of the best in the nation. ( and that's coming from a hawkeye fan)
7)you could be a legend. ISU doesnt have much good history. arguably Matt Campbell is one off the greatest parts off ISU football history and he still hasn't beat the hawkeyes yet.
You can’t win a natty at Iowa state
Hmmm, what a nice not-at-all backhanded compliment.
Clemson fan with no bias at all. Iowa state seems like an awesome place. Win national championship? Probably not. But it seems like a good program.
Georgia don’t got tradition but it does have a Vanderbilt trophy case
Georgia sells them self as we are like alabama but they basically tell recruits to go to bama just as much as them that's what recruits have said before
Diet bama
Big Mad 😡
They seem to have a great tradition of beating those Vols though, I tell you that 😂
Josh Pate is the best at what he does. Also, Shout out to your crew! 🏈 RTR!
I put Arkansas at 6 or 7. Facilities are ahead of everyone in the bottom half. Money also not an issue with Tyson's, Walmart, Stephen's, and Hog alum Jerry Jones at the Cowboys. 2 Top 10 Finishes in the last decade and a BCS Bowl. Even Beilima had a 9 win season. The hard part is navigating recruiting in Texas. Since A&M joined the SEC it's hurt Arkansas, even though historically Arkansas has been a stronger National team than the Aggies. There is just now way Kentucky, SC, Ole Piss, Miss State, and Mizz are better Football setinations that Arkansas.
Ole Miss is better than Arkansas. I agree about the others and that Arkansas is too low though.
1. Alabama - All they have is Alabama football as it relates to sports. LITERALLY
2. LSU - Winning tradition (3x champs in 17 yrs); talent hotbed (LA and Southeast Texas)
3. Florida -The most talent rich state, would need a strong willed head coach to recruit and challenge administration
4. UGA - Talent hotbed (GA); Administration has finally got onboard the "whatever it takes train"
5. Auburn - Basically replicates and tries to refine everything Alabama does. Issues with administration may arise
6. Texas A&M - Haven't put a winning formula together even with all the money and resources and it's College Station
7. Tennessee - Their winning tradition is more folklore at this point, need the right person atop to challenge administration
This list seems way more realistic to me.
The reasoning for UK over SC only makes sense if you’re a non-competitor and since we’re talking about a premier coach weighing his options you have to imagine he’s a competitor. Spurrier gave SC four 11 win seasons in a row before the playoffs existed...at least one of those teams would have made the top 4 imo. If spurrier was 15 years younger we’re onto something special, meaning the “right guy” would have our program competing for championships along with the rest of cluster A
Yes, I totally agree! SC got Spurrier about 5 years, probably realistically 10 years too late. The facilities at South Carolina since Spurrier, are on-par with Any team in the Nation. That is something that Spurrier brought to South Carolina, which is that you have to invest in your program. Now with a young, hungry, and committed Coach in Beamer. South Carolina is in a position to vault into the next level, but will they is the question. As a Gamecock Fan I sure hope so! GO Cocks!
I would also add that Spurrier got the University to open its pockets and saw results. I think they are just waiting for the right person to open them up further. Hopefully Beamer is the guy that does it.
I think u nailed it Josh,,,GBO!!!
In my opinion Kentucky is a top-five job in the SEC. Like you mentioned, lower expectations and high pay. Also can compete for a national title in the next decade if everything goes right. Recruiting and facilities are increasing year after year. This year will have a top 10 recruiting class and they just keep getting better every year. Definitely the sleeper IMO
Whew 😅 this didn’t age well
@@RuralVol Kentucky is still a good program lol
@@tboyd2495 Saying UK is a Top 5 job in the SEC is laughable. They won’t win the East any time soon let alone a Natty. Calipari was right, it’s a basketball school.
@@RuralVol the point on why its great is that you get paid well and there is little pressure to do well. they wont win the east or the natty in the next 20 years but they'll get 2nd or 3rd in the east and be content with that. the amount of pressure these coaches go through takes a toll on them.
Mizzou is on the rise w/Drink. Everyone will see the rise in 2021.
Looks like Drink’s comments have come back to haunt him. Can’t wait to see how many rushing yards that non rival team has on Black Friday. 🐗🐗🐗
Also, this year just shows how well Odom recruited, and Missouri probably shouldn’t have gotten rid of him.
Josh how would you put Texas and Oklahoma on your lists of SEC jobs and stadiums?
Man I wish he would do this for every conference? That was fun to listen to
People used to say Georgia was on the verge of winning a national championship when Mark Reich was there too.....
Great job. Agree with ur picks and ur reasoning as to why.
I cannot wait for you to update this later this year. When you do, maybe out of factor for the crazy boosters? I'm thinking what you see with the Longhorns and what's currently going on with Auburn.
I gotta put Ole Miss above Miss State just bc they have recently been a receiver factory if I’m taking over at a typically slightly subpar school give me a position I can automatically recruit it’s a huge building block for recruiting QBs especially
UF does need to address upgrades to the Swamp. I think tradition is there. Consistency also; only 2 losing seasons since 1979. The "brand" is highly recognized and of course you are in the state of Florida so recruiting capabilities speak for themselves. I think there are 2 areas that I would add in UF's favor. The overall athletic program. From top to bottom I don't think it can be rivaled in the SEC, not to mention UF and Stanford are the only schools in the country to be ranked in the top 10 athletic prograns every single year since the rankings were started in 1984. Secondly is academics. UF is currently the 7th ranked public university in the country. UF has recently completed new facilities and upgrades for baseball, softball, basketball, volleyball, and gymnastics so yeah foltball needs to get on board. The new indoor facility and future training facility are going to help. This would be my list..
1) Alabama
2) LSU
3) Georgia
4) Florida
5) Auburn
6) Texas A&M
7) Tennessee
8) Kentucky
9) South Carolina
10) Missouri
11) Arkansas
12) Ole Miss
13) Mississippi State
14) Vanderbilt
Love your channel. Have a good one.
Go Gators!!
Go Jags!!
Florida is in no way a top 5 program in the sec
What does it say about the position of your football program as far as 247Sports is concerned when Josh doesn't even bother to go into details about why/why not take the head coaching job? South Carolina has an Auburn-like issue - at least the last six years - Clemson. South Carolina is and has made investments in the program; however, with the exception of last year's result in Athens, it is not consistently paying off on the field.
And Muschamp was fired for that.
Now that Heupel is the coach, Tennessee has bypassed Auburn and Florida.
You ask this question 2 years from now and I believe the order changes especially at the bottom. As Gary Pinkel proved a few years ago you can win win at Mizzou. A younger and better recruiter in Eli Drinkwitz will get better and better recruiting classes as he wins. They key is will Mizzou pay him and make it destination not jumping off point.
Yeah, keeping kids in state is something Missouri has never seen before. If Drinkwitz can win like that he will have laid a blueprint for Missouri for years to come. As a Bama fan I’ve always felt like Missouri has a lot of potential just never discovered it.
Possibly it could rise because because there isn't a lot of recruiting resistance around you, but I don't know how much talent is in Kentucky missouri and kansas.
Great theme for a show ! Very interesting ! Go Cocks🔥
Would like to see this video updated. A lot has changed since this was made.
Mississippi State and Alabama are geographically the two closest SEC colleges at a mere 80 miles apart. But in terms of success at the college football level, they couldn’t be farther apart. Why is that?
I feel like Arkansas is definitely top 10 right now. Sam Pittman has really turned that program around.
Well I think you have to move up Mizzou and Arkansas a little. They've both greatly upped their facilities. All the things Gary pinkel tried getting and got told no to, Drink is getting yesses to now. Same with Pitman at Arkansas.
1) UGA is great because disappointment has been their daily bread for 40 years now. All you have to do is get close one time and you've given a Georgia fan something to excitedly talk about for the rest of their life. Yet, they are desperate to win and willing to spend the resources to make that happen. Great access to recruits and Georgia Tech is clueless as in-state competition.
2) LSU has a pretty good lock on surprisingly good in state talent in addition to what they bring in regionally. They have shown a lot of understanding after bad seasons.
3) Florida has expectations and in-state competition, but being in Florida makes up for that. Recruiting should be easier than it has been for the last couple coaches. They finally got an athletic director willing to spend money.
4) Alabama has a perfect system in place. But, the expectation couldn't be higher. The next coach is practically guaranteed to be a disappointment and likely fired within 3 years. If Saban's final 2 seasons are a disaster maybe that gives his successor time to adjust. That might bump the job up to #2 or #3.
5) Texas A&M- the money. And Texas seems almost willing to hand the state away.
I'm not sure who you go with for #6. Tennessee or Auburn makes sense. But being the clear cut second best team in Alabama, or being in Knoxville Tennessee are both difficult tasks.
Been watching Arkansas since 1971. UA has no business being in the SEC. Said that when we joined, sayin it now. Too bad we're stuck because of money. Too bad the miss. schools and mizzou and ark and vandy were beneath your time. Seems if you are going to rank the schools you should comment on them all.
Come to the big 12. Arkansas could be a competitive team again and the big 12 could get to 12 if they poach ark + Nebraska/Mizzou/BYU
Alabama is always good cause they cheat they pay their players period they just don't get caught why do you think they are good year after year I hate Alabama I'm a cane fan
1 and 2 are pretty much interchangeable that I would have a hard time choosing between. I also agree with LSU being slightly above TAMU. The Aggies have all the money and resources to top LSU but they put almost zero effort in establishing recruiting pipelines outside of Texas lol
As the man said, it’s not about money only, it’s ALL factors. One large one factor TAM doesn’t have….tradition, not the milk men doing their little gig ‘em signs, football tradition dating way back. But, I do like the way the band weaves in and out of one another, best away trip every had was at College Station.
The baseball stadium at Florida is being relocated in order to build a massive new practice facility. Give it a few years for construction and Florida's facilities won't be an issue.
I think Georgia, Bama, and LSU are on their own level right now and have been for a while. They are poised to get the best recruits in the nation (in LSU's case, regardless of country #Australianpunters), world class facilities, and sustained success. My biggest point is sustained success. Bama has been historically amazing, besides the decade before Saban, but Georgia has been, on a talent level, remarkable with Richt and with Smart. LSU is the ONLY school to have won a national championship with EACH of its 3 most recent coaches. They always have the talent there, its just who can put it together. And you can argue the same thing about Georgia and Bama, hence why I put them on a seperate tier.
To round out the top 5, Id say Florida is the most poised to get on that next level, followed by A&M. A&M might have the better facilities, but they cant seem to get the talent they attract there to compete. Just my take.
LSU fans should wake up and thank Saban every day for that. Before he came, LSU was Vanderbilt
@@savagesouth1806 and bama wasn’t setting the world on fire in the 2000s prior to Saban arriving. Bama fans should do the same damn thing pal. Oh, very incorrect about LSU being Vandy, do your research bud. LSUs all time record, 793-413-47. Vandy, 550-624-43. So close right? Idiot. LSU is 5th all time in wins among SEC teams. It’s apparent you never attended a college course. 🙄
@@savagesouth1806 I know this is a year ago but this has to be a joke right? LSU was Vandy before saban??
We are the 15th winningest program in history as winning percentage and 12th in overall wins.
We won the 1958 national title under Dietzel and went undefeated and won the SEC in 1961. We won the SEC In 1970 under Mclendon who coached us for 18 years. We went to 13 bowl games during his time (and should’ve been 14 but we declined invites hoping for the cotton bowl and didn’t get it)
This was back when there were only a handful of bowl games and you had to be no worse than 2 and sometimes 3 losses to even get invited. Anyways mclendon had a .675 winning percentage and a couple seasons where we lost to Alabama with Bear Bryant costing us an SEC title.
LSU had some decent years and a couple SEC titles in the 80s then we sucked for most of the 90s and then Saban comes. Yes Saban did kickstart what LSU is now but by no means was LSU on the same level as Vanderbilt before he got here. Also it doesn’t discount the work successive coaching staffs put into winning more titles after he left.
@@INoticeTooMuch1 As a UGA man, give'em hell Clippy. Great info. Take that shit Vandy!!!!!
LSU and Georgia are alone in their respective states without another major school to compete with in recruiting. That's a big plus.
Tennessee? Kentucky?
@@immadawgwoof Tennessee has Memphis, Kentucky has Louisville, Louisiana has Tech and UL.
There is literally no other D-1 football program in Missouri other than Mizzou. That job should be ranked higher.
@@immadawgwoof Tennessee and Kentucky don't have the high school player talent that the states of Florida, Georgia, and Texas have.
Georgia has 4 division 1 schools Georgia, Georgia tech, Georgia State(just got a football program in the last few years) and Georgia southern (who just made the jump to division 1) forgot to mention Georgia tech academic standards are way to high to get the best talent I had a brother that graduated from there with a engineering degree they have curriculum that makes calculas look easier than basic arithmetic in a nut shell Georgia has no competion from inside the state of Georgia when it comes to recruiting
@@andymerritt8145 If you think actual college students are playing football at Georgia Tech, you are not very observant.
Tennessee has the right coach now. You called it in this video; right coach and they could be back.
Gator fan here. I can’t argue with the list. I was kinda shock to see Kentucky above Carolina because I think Carolina has better recruiting grounds. But at the same time. 5 mil for 7 wins to live in Lexington Kentucky is pretty attractive lol.
You nailed it. SC is the better program, but UK the better job because of lower expectations and excellent pay. - JP
Top Jobs Criteria
1. Facilities 2. Recruiting Base 3. Tradition 4. Salary
Isn’t it all about winning championships to a coach? No way Georgia is above Alabama. Too many trophies? Cmon man. Alabama has the best of the best and I am a Florida fan. Current coach shouldn’t affect ranking. Coaches come and go. Alabama recruits nationally so their state recruiting is not as important. How many times has it been Alabama vs Florida in the SEC Championship game? That says it all. Don’t get too wrapped up in recent history.
Florida has the facilities come 2022. Florida has more tradition than Georgia. Florida has a better state recruiting base. The poaching of the best talent will stop. AD Foley killed us by not spending, but that’s over. How many times in the SEC Championship? How many titles?
LSU has a much better tradition than Georgia. LSU has a better state recruiting base. They own their state and poach. Their facilities are dam good. Florida and LSU are interchangeable, but I’m a 🐊.
Texas A&M has everything in spades but tradition. In fact they will be above Georgia soon unless Kirby wins the NC.
Georgia has the facilities. It’s a good to great talent base that they don’t have to share too much. GT sucks. But no NC since 1980. 40 years ago! Win and they move up. I’m not saying Kirby hasn’t done a great job recruiting so far but he hasn’t won the big one. Until then no way No. 1.
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Texas A&M
6. Auburn/Tennessee
8 -13 Who cares? Don’t have a chance.Ole Miss, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri
14. Vandy
He's a uga homer
Someone's salty. Its his choice. You have a podcast then you can make your own, ok. He's not a homer like you
Adam Tankersley I guess you weren’t listening. Josh ask listeners to post your ranking and why. Not salty. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. They are like aholes. Everyone has one.
Lol Bama didn't recruit "nationally " pre Saban. Also Alabama doesn't have near the in state talent of Georgia, Florida, or Louisiana. They also have a huge in state SEC recruiting rival and way less money than UGA. You are trying to base best job on number of national championship. You're also probably in your early 20s and don't realize how Bama was pre Saban. It's not the easy job you think it is.
Also a Florida fan but for me it would be Bama 1, LSU 2, Florida at 3, and Georgia a close 4th (cuz look at those recruiting classes) but Georgia doesn’t have the history, record or trophy case to back up that talent like Bama does
Just watched this and noticed the date. Now I wonder if these rankings have changed after the events of the season and all of the changes that have been made?
Can you update this list?
As LSU fan I would point out that we have the best food by far and that is why we should be too two😂😂😂 who doesn’t like gumbo and jambalaya
As Jimmy Buffett famously says, " I will play for gumbo."
I’ve never had either, am I missing out?
H Street Boards the short answer is yes ur definitely missing out. I mean if u like spiced rice and meat then you will like both
Ethan Hughes I’m a Florida fan, but I’d rather coach with you guys just for the food, lol. Don’t forget about benyays, probs not how spelled
Imagine eating an actual shrimp po boy 😫
Edit: its my favorite thing but have never tasted the actual real thing
A 10-2 ole miss team with everything going right could definitely be a national championship team in 5 years
You do realize that’s the first time Ol Miss has won ten games in a season?
Once Texas A&M figures it out, they will be unstoppable. It's only a matter of time.
I'll play the odds saying they won't since they have never been unstoppable in the history of CFB.
You A & M fans make me laugh. You believe the hype.😃
Let us know when that will be, need to put it in my calendar. 🙄
@@wickedroller I would argue it has always been about resources. Historically A&M has won some titles, but it pales in comparison to schools that at the time had more stars aligned. In the modern world, money, ease of travel, internet, social media, TV deals, NIL, etc. It's hard to argue that A&M isn't primed as well as anyone else if not more given the size of many of these things on top of the massive alumni base. We've seen these factors propel them to places they've not been in a long time. Can it reach the top? Time will only tell, but they certainly have the tools now better than ever.
Absolutely agree about your top four. (Frankly, the entire list.) Great work. And frankly, great question.
Jimbo is trying to recruit nationally, but it will take time.
I'd be interested to see this revised every year
"Texas A&M has not made an effort to recruit nationally" ummm have you looked at Jimbo's classes? He will go anywhere. The current class has 11 of the recruits out of state, 8 of them ranked in to top 102
And to add to that... the previous coach pulled some of the bigger Louisiana recruits away from Baton Rouge with assistance of the Swag Chopper! 😉😉😎
No one should want the Alabama job after Saban. You want the job after the coach after Saban.
New and improved list?
Obviously times have changed, but the argument for me of UGA over Alabama would be in state talent. Saban has built a lot of his teams off of Georgia talent. Honestly I think that’s how Kirby hurt them the most cause they lost a lot on inroads in to the state when he switched.
Honestly that’s why I think Mark was fired cause you got tired of seeing Georgia 4/5 stars going to Alabama and then here comes Dano competing for a chip and he’s got Georgia talent too.
I think A&M is kinda high just because they haven't won compared to Alabama, LSU or Georgia
Agreed, I think Josh favored recent history with A&M here a bit too much. No way Florida is lower than A&M with access to talent, finances, brand, etc.
Anyone want to know what the difference is between the SEC East and the SEC West? In the SEC East, Kirby can recruit but he can't coach and Mullen can coach but he can't recruit. Meanwhile, in the SEC West both Nick Saban and Ed O can do both coach and recruit and that's the difference.
SEC West recruiting is just insane. A few years ago LSU had like the 5th or 6th ranked class in the nation, and it was only the 4th ranked class in the SEC West. 😂
How did we get Australia's players
List would be drastically different now
I think you did a good job. I can't say that you're far off on any of it. I think the top 3 are elite when it comes to resources and facilities. I may have to put A&M in that group to. I just feel like there's something missing there.
Gotta disagree here with Texas A&M and Auburn being over Tennessee. Vols facilities are better, both A&M and Auburn have to compete for in state talent with bigger/better in state schools, and Tennessee has more championships and all time wins (regarding your 4th criteria). Florida at 4, Tennessee at 5, at least. But imo LSU, Florida, and Tennessee are all debatable. Then A&M and Auburn.
Tennessee and ark have a lot in common. Only real University in state with good facilities but not located in part of states where best recruits are or in states with huge recruiting pool of 4 and 5 star athletes. Both have fans with unreasonable expectations. Tennessee is in a better division but both have challenges getting back into top group.
@@jimevert7099 Tradition at Ark is nowhere near Tennessee in my opinion. And Tennessee has a good pipeline into Georgia for talent, as well as North and South Carolina to a lesser extent. Facilities and finances also light-years ahead at Tennessee. Tennessee fans definitely tend to have unreasonable expectations, but they have way more right to have high expectations compared to Arkansas, in my opinion.
Tradition and therefore brand, I should say, to use Josh's criteria here.
I think you are under estimating Arkansas when it come to tradition a bit . It's easy to do since a bunch was in the swc. I think Tennessee is a better job but not by much because I think it's fan expectations are unreasonable. The new SEC is not same animal it was ten years ago and both ark and ten are not going to be as successful as they once were. I think being in East gives Tennessee an advantage
What do u measure tradition by. Because neither have been significant in any recruits lifetime
TAMU has way deeper pockets than Tennessee and they are near a recruiting hotbed (Houston). What real advantage does Tennessee have? 😂😂🤧
Need to re rank these
JOSH! HERE IS AN ACTUAL REBUTTAL! The point that Kentucky is a “cushy job” and Lexington, KY “isn’t a bad place to live” can be appointed to every team in the second cluster. Ole Miss’s last two head coach (Freeze and Kiffin) have found incredible success with recruiting, facilities and results on the field. Now.. 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern. Ole Miss fans are happy with 7-8 wins, Oxford, Mississippi is a beautiful place to live, North Mississippi is severely underrated as a residential destination. Cheap, beautiful, Memphis and Nashville aren’t far, and Ole Miss has some of the most beautiful girls in the country. That’s great for recruiting (or if you’re Bobby Petrino). I fully agree with cluster 1, but Ole Miss should be tied with USC at 8.
Georgia might spend like Bama, recruit like Bama, look like Bama, beg people to treat them like Bama, they can even believe they're Bama, but Kirby is just another Richt until be beats the man.
Texas A&M has to compete w/ Texas (& OU) for Texas talent. LSU is the only in state school that recruits a very deep talent in LA.
Iowa state got beat by Louisiana lafayette.tulane la tech uh huh only school everyone recruited la boys
Baja georgia miss state dak prescott la kid warwick dunn
I would out Georgia third. I mean seriously, last natty for them was in 1980. The parents of these kids were just being born when that tool place. I would have a tie between Bama and LSU. Bama has a bigger brand and more hardware and is a great program. However I believe Saban has a much bigger effect on Bama , then Bama's effect on Saban. I would lean towards LSU for 4 reasons. 1. Tiger Stadium, 2. They are the only school in LA so don't have sister school competition. 3. Have strong tentacles into Florida and Texas. 4. Nick Saban said it was the best job. Had he not left for the NFL, LSU would be a dynasty of dynasties. So I have LSU, BAMA, Georgia, Florida, A&M, Auburn,Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, Vandy.
Did you not here what he said🤔 It's not based on winning. It's based on the 4 things he said and ga would be #1. GA is the #1 College town in America. It has the best high school talent for the size of its state. The only other states to have more 4 and 5 star recruitment on average is California, Texas, Florida. GA can recruit all those. GA has the best facilities. And they have funding. It has everything you need. It just starting g getting all the funding and facilities with Kirby. Pay attention.
Spot on. 100%
Going into video: Alabama coordinator, it feels like we can't keep em for more than 2 years at this point.
Not to mention I can name 4 of them off the top of my head that are now coaches/coached
First viewing of the rankings: T-7 makes almost too much sense, but I feel like Missouri, and Mississippi State are all ready to explode/re-explode with the right coach.
Imo outside of vandy, any great coach could win a national title at an SEC school in 5 years
As Alabama Fan I actually agree with Top 5.
Not bad and can't argue much - but have thought A&M was the best job in college football for past 30 years. They have all what it takes to win & the coach who comes in and gets them a title will be treated like a God. Don't cheer for the Aggies, but always thought they had best combo of factors for perennial top-5 program: Fan base, money, recruiting, facilities, money, and more money.
South Carolina is Easley a top 5-7 Football best Job you look at the talent we can pull from North Carolina. South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma. LSU, Maryland, and surrounding area's we could be a top 5 distention, just have to have the right guy for the job and I believe we found him. Beamer Ball! Go Gamecocks!
As a UGA fan, I'd still argue Bama is a better job. I understand what Josh is saying, but Bama coaches get whatever they want and have better facilities.
Mizzou has a new facility, a new young eager coach and they have won the SEC east 2 times which is more than most of the east can say.
And no titles to show for it...which means your titles are MEANINGLESS.
LSU: Past three head coaches. Three National Championships.
Name another school that can claim that type of football program consistency.
You could argue Ohio state if day wins one soon, tressel and Meyer both have one with ohio state
The only people that stat impresses is other LSU fans.
Florida should be higher than five, Florida has by far the best high school football players In the country which makes it the most fertile recruiting ground.
Have u never heard of Texas high school football, no states is even close to Texas high school players
@@arkansasrazorbacks2553 Miami Dade county high school football is superior to anything Texas has period.
@@charleslowe2095 doesn’t matter what one school has, Texas has at least 3 times more 4 star recruits then what Florida has, if u don’t believe me, check the 247 sports state recruits
@@charleslowe2095 Im a Gator fan but I disagree. The state of Florida has the most talent no doubt, but we just cant seem to get those recruits to actually play for us sadly
would definitely put ole miss a few spots higher on my list
I’m confused as to why you put Arkansas so low on this list. You can win there. Not that long ago they were competing at a high level. If you get the right coach in there the have just as high of a ceiling as anybody in my opinion.
My guess is because arkansas the state is horrible to recruit you have to like tenn go out of state for talent
@@jerradguillory7909 but Arkansas is also surrounded by some of the best recruiting states in the entire nation, it’s not as bad as it looks, and Arkansas still still produces a couple of four stars each year, not great, but not a terrible recruiting state either
South Carolina has beautiful sports and academic facilities for its student athletes. That investment began under Spurrier and continues to this day. If Auburn, Florida or Tennessee have nicer facilities than SC I am not aware of it. The financial commitment is definitely there. Do they have an easy path to success as they go head to head with GA for top recruits? Certainly not. Another video topic might be ‘What are the top 10 characteristics of a consistently successful College Football program? Then do a re-ranking based on those measurables. I’d say you put far too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on a Coach’s ability to assemble a great staff and maintain continuity.
I believe you are pretty on par but I would move Auburn up one above Texas A&M because they have won a SEC title been to another, been to two national championships, and I look at being in the same state as Alabama a plus because it pushes Auburn to be better. Texas A&M has done none of these things.
They have three national championships
Does a coach's competence/capabilities/savvy/acumen mean anything? Or has college football evolved into the programs with the most investment and/or the most talent are your champions?
Lol, the question said forget recent results. This list is in line with recent results.
I think it should be like this: 1.) Alabama 2. ) LSU 3. ) Georgia 4. ) Auburn 5. ) Florida.... my first 5, then the rest is up for grabs , Lol
Kentucky above South Carolina? 🤨
Give UK a title contender in basketball, unlike this year, and they forget football exists.
I have to disagree with you having Kentucky and South Carolina over Arkansas or Ole Miss. Arkansas has Walmart and Jerry Jones money, plus a rocking fan base. Ole Miss is all in on Football, they have possibly the best game day experience in CFB, and consistently a contender in the LOADED SEC West.
Reading this, I was wondering, what the heck? But then I noticed, this is 2 years old! So as they say in Jersey, Forget About It! 🤣
Tennessee fell of the cliff because they no longer can recruit top players from California, Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. Those days are long gone, and its brand is as well. The state is not known for a hotspot for high school talent. The handful of players that are 4-5 stars are signing with Alabama, Georgia, etc. Same thing happened to Nebraska. What brand does Tennessee really sell itself on? A chance to go to the Music City bowl?
No.. we fell off because we had a revolving door of coaches that didn’t know what they were doing. We haven’t had a recruiting class outside the top 15 in years. The problem has been coaching. Those 2015-16 teams should’ve won the East easily but they didn’t because of poor coaching. I mean currently we have the second best class in the SEC but we just went 8-5
1. Georgia 2. Texas A&M 3. Bama 4. LSU 5. Florida 6. Tennessee 7. Auburn 8. Arkansas 9. Ole miss 10. South Carolina 11. Kentucky 12. Miss state 13. Missouri 14. Vandy
No Vandy #1. JK
A&M #2?
Not a homer very much are we?
Texas A&M? Over Bama, LSU, and Florida? Is there a valid reason you think A&M is above the power houses
I put Georgia and a&m there due to financial resources and recruiting resources.
You missed the boat by a long shot. You did not do your research very well. As far as resources go, TX A&M has more money than the entire SEC combined with the exception of Univ of TX. This is public information.
While I hate how our team is in the state of affairs that it is but 7 is the holy number and Tennessee does mean Holy Land in angelic language
It’s all about who the coach is for the first “cluster”. There’s little difference unless a coach has a friend as the president of the NCAA…cough*saban/emmert